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Category:Persian alchemists

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename and merge. (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 ( d  c̄ ) 13:20, 14 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Persian alchemists to Category:Iranian alchemists
 * Propose merging Category:Persian classical music groups to Category:Iranian classical music groups
 * Propose merging Category:Persian musicians to Category:Iranian musicians
 * Propose merging Category:Persian explorers to Category:Iranian explorers
 * Propose merging Category:Persian jazz musicians to Category:Iranian jazz musicians
 * Propose merging Category:Persian classical musicians to Category:Iranian classical musicians
 * Nominator's rationale: overlapping categories; (Persian people by occupation redirects to Iranian people by occupation) Mason (talk) 23:42, 5 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Comment Although there is a slight difference between "Persian" and "Iranian", esp. when the topic/subject comes to "absolute generality and particularity", I wish to agree with merging the categories Category:Persian musicians and Category:Iranian musicians (because of overlapping between the two). — Hamid Hassani (talk) 07:16, 6 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the insight! Mason (talk) 13:46, 6 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Rename/merge, per nom. Manually merge Category:Persian musicians though because most articles already ought to be somewhere else in the tree of Category:Iranian musicians. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:23, 6 November 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Wikimedia Bangladesh

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge. (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 ( d  c̄ ) 07:08, 13 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Wikimedia Bangladesh to Category:Wikipedia and Wikimedia Bangladesh
 * Nominator's rationale: Duplicate. The "Wikipedia and Wikimedia Foo" naming convention, while I understand why it was created, seems to be a common source of confusion. * Pppery * it has begun... 23:09, 5 November 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Immigrants to the French Mandate for Syria and the Lebanon
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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. Uncontested and uncontroversial nomination. (non-admin closure) –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d  c̄ ) 07:09, 13 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting immigrants to the french mandate for syria and the lebanon
 * Nominator's rationale: only person in the category is described as having immigrated to Lenanon, rather than the french mandate for syria and the lebanon. Mason (talk) 22:46, 5 November 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Protestants from the Principality of Neuchâtel
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Category:Dock workers from the Ottoman Empire
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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) HouseBlastertalk 22:44, 12 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting dock workers from the ottoman empire
 * Nominator's rationale: This occupation is not defining for the only person in this category Mason (talk) 20:29, 5 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:52, 5 November 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Mandatory Palestine war and conflict navigational boxes
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Category:Deaths in the British West Indies
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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) HouseBlastertalk 22:43, 12 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting deaths in the british west indies
 * Nominator's rationale: underpopulated category, only member is already in a more specific death category Mason (talk) 19:25, 5 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:57, 5 November 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Sportswomen from Kentucky
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 * The result of the discussion was: merge. (non-admin closure) –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d  c̄ ) 14:26, 13 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Sportswomen from Kentucky to Category:American sportswomen and Category:Sportspeople from Kentucky
 * Propose merging Category:Kentucky women track and field athletes to Category:American female track and field athletes and Category:Track and field athletes from Kentucky
 * Propose merging Category:Kentucky women directors to Category:American women film directors
 * Propose merging Category:Kentucky women contract bridge players to Category:American contract bridge players
 * Propose merging Category:Kentucky businesswomen to Category:American women in business and Category:Businesspeople from Kentucky
 * Propose merge Category:Kentucky women artists to Category:Artists from Kentucky and Category:American women artists
 * Propose merge Category:Kentucky women aviators to Category:Aviators from Kentucky and Category:American women aviators
 * Nominator's rationale: Dual merge per smallcat and WP:OCEGRS Mason (talk) 19:08, 5 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:58, 5 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Don't forget sub-categories Category:Kentucky women accountants and Category:Kentucky women entrepreneurs.--User:Namiba 14:13, 9 November 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Kentucky women homemakers
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 * The result of the discussion was: merge to Category:Housewives. (non-admin closure) –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d  c̄ ) 07:13, 13 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting kentucky women homemakers
 * Nominator's rationale: Not defining Mason (talk) 19:05, 5 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 22:00, 5 November 2023 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure. Homemaking is a definitely an occupation which is as defining as any other, perhaps more so in many cases since it is a permanent position. We should think more carefully rather than reflexively deleting. I can see Category:Homemakers being valid.--User:Namiba 14:00, 9 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Upon further investigation, merge to Category:Housewives.--User:Namiba 15:19, 10 November 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Emigrants from the Niger Coast Protectorate to Sierra Leone
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Category:Sports families by country
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Category:Sportspeople from the Colony of New Zealand
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 * The result of the discussion was: rename to Category:19th-century New Zealand sportspeople. (non-admin closure) HouseBlastertalk 22:43, 12 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Sportspeople from the Colony of New Zealand to Category:19th-century New Zealand sportspeople
 * Nominator's rationale: rename to fit the format of others in Category:19th-century sportspeople. ( because the Colony of New Zealand existed from 3 May 1841 to 26 September 1907.) Mason (talk) 16:22, 5 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Rename, it would not make much sense to exclude people from before 1841. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:24, 5 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Rename, similar to what was done for Categories for discussion/Log/2023 October 22 and Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2023 June 28. Nurg (talk) 09:57, 9 November 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Deaths in the Colony of Victoria
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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  17:18, 22 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Deaths in the Colony of Victoria to Category:Deaths in Australia
 * Nominator's rationale: overlapping, non-defining Mason (talk) 16:17, 5 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Delete, I presume that deaths by place categories are meant to be container categories fully diffused by type of death. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:27, 5 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete Explicitly forbidden by WP:TRIVIALCAT. –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d c̄ ) 07:16, 13 November 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Deaths in the Federation of Malaya
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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) HouseBlastertalk 22:42, 12 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting deaths in the federation of malaya
 * Nominator's rationale: small underpopulated category, (merge in principle, but I've already added the single person to Road incident deaths in Malaysia Mason (talk) 16:09, 5 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:30, 5 November 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Deaths in the German Empire
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Category:Deaths in French Sudan
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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d  c̄ ) 20:33, 13 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Deaths in French Sudan to Category:Deaths in Mali
 * Nominator's rationale: underpopulated category that does not help navigation Mason (talk) 15:56, 5 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Delete, I presume that deaths by place categories are meant to be container categories fully diffused by type of death. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:32, 5 November 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Deaths in Bohemia
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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) HouseBlastertalk 22:42, 12 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting deaths in bohemia
 * Nominator's rationale: underpopulated category that's not helpful for navigation, lone category member has been added to people murdered in the czech republic Mason (talk) 15:41, 5 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Delete, I presume that deaths by place categories are meant to be container categories fully diffused by type of death. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:32, 5 November 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Deaths in Anhalt-Dessau
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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d  c̄ ) 20:33, 13 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Deaths in Anhalt-Dessau to Category:Deaths in the Holy Roman Empire
 * Nominator's rationale: underpopulated category that's not helpful for navigation Mason (talk) 15:38, 5 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Delete, I presume that deaths by place categories are meant to be container categories fully diffused by type of death. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:33, 5 November 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Italian expatriates in British Ceylon
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 * The result of the discussion was: merge to Category:Italian expatriates in Sri Lanka and Category:Italian expatriates in British Ceylon. (non-admin closure) –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d  c̄ ) 20:34, 13 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Italian expatriates in British Ceylon to Category:Italian expatriates in Sri Lanka
 * Nominator's rationale: overlapping under populated category Mason (talk) 15:35, 5 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Merge at least to Category:Expatriates in British Ceylon, I am neutral about a dual merge. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:36, 5 November 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Song recordings produced by Sean Small
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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) HouseBlastertalk 22:42, 12 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting song recordings produced by sean small
 * Nominator's rationale: Only one member of the category and no article for Sean Small. No aid to navigation. Richhoncho (talk) 15:20, 5 November 2023 (UTC)
 * support per nom Mason (talk) 15:35, 5 November 2023 (UTC)


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Category:British expatriates in British Jamaica
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 * The result of the discussion was: merge to Category:British expatriates in Jamaica and Category:British expatriates in the British West Indies. (non-admin closure) –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d  c̄ ) 20:35, 13 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:British expatriates in British Jamaica to Category:British expatriates in Jamaica
 * Nominator's rationale: overlapping, nondefining Mason (talk) 15:08, 5 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Comment, if merged then also merge to Category:British expatriates in the British West Indies. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:40, 5 November 2023 (UTC)


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Category:British people in British Barbados
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 * The result of the discussion was: merge to Category:British expatriates in Barbados and Category:British expatriates in the British West Indies. (non-admin closure) –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d  c̄ ) 20:36, 13 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:British people in British Barbados to Category:British expatriates in Barbados
 * Nominator's rationale: overlapping, underpopulated category Mason (talk) 15:06, 5 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Merge at least to Category:British expatriates in the British West Indies, I am neutral about a dual merge. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:41, 5 November 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Deaths in the British Empire
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Category:Alcohol-related deaths in the Ottoman Empire
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 * The result of the discussion was: merge. (non-admin closure) –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d  c̄ ) 20:43, 13 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Alcohol-related deaths in the Ottoman Empire to Category:Alcohol-related deaths and Category:Deaths in the Ottoman Empire
 * Propose merging Category:Deaths from cancer in the Ottoman Empire to Category:Deaths in the Ottoman Empire
 * Nominator's rationale: Dual mege, small underpopulated categories that aren't large enough to be helpful Mason (talk) 14:50, 5 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Alt merge only to Category:Alcohol-related deaths and Category:Deaths from cancer respectively, I presume that deaths by place categories are meant to be container categories fully diffused by type of death. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:53, 5 November 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Deaths in the Colony of New Zealand
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Category:Malagasy pepole of British descent
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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d  c̄ ) 20:37, 13 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Malagasy pepole of British descent to Category:Malagasy people of British descent
 * Nominator's rationale: "pepole" is a typo Snoozingnewt (talk) 14:40, 5 November 2023 (UTC)
 * support, can be speedied Mason (talk) 14:54, 5 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Delete. The only article there is White Africans of European ancestry, which is irrelevant: not all are Malagasy, not all are of British descent, plus descent categories are for individual people which the article is about a group seen collectively, per WP:SEPARATE. Place Clichy (talk) 12:39, 9 November 2023 (UTC)


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Category:People with obsessive–compulsive disorder
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 * The result of the discussion was: No consensus to delete, hence purge * Pppery * <sub style="color:#800000">it has begun... 04:37, 21 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting people with obsessive–compulsive disorder
 * Nominator's rationale: I don't think this is a defining characteristic of a person for categorization. - Altenmann >talk 07:05, 28 October 2023 (UTC)


 * Support, but copy the content of the category to Talk:Obsessive–compulsive disorder in order to allow expansion of the "notable cases" section in the article. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:44, 28 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Strong Oppose. OCD is a disability, wikipedia considers disability to be a defining category under WP:EGRSD. Therefore, if OCD is to be considered trivial, I'd like a more serious discussion of why this particular disability is not defining under WP:EGRSD, unlike other disabilities (Category:People with mental disorders or Category:People with disabilities). If not kept, we should upmerge to Category:People with mental disorders or Category:People with disabilities. Mason (talk) 17:05, 28 October 2023 (UTC)
 * It is a fair point that we should have a look at the whole mental disorders tree. The problem is that incidentally people are notable especially because of their mental disorder but in most cases it is merely a footnote. A third group is criminals with mental disorders. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:41, 28 October 2023 (UTC)
 * That may be true that their notability doesn't have to do with their disability, but they are defining characteristic for the person. I'd also oppose deleting other mental disorders, as this could easily fall into a value judgment territory of why are psychological disabilities not defining, but physical disabilities are. Per, WP:EGRSD: "In general, Categorization by ethnicity, gender, religion, sexuality, or disability is permitted." Mason (talk) 23:09, 28 October 2023 (UTC)
 * (Apologies if this sounds bludgeoning, that's not my intent...). It seems that there's already guidance on this, WP:DISABILITYCAT, specifically:
 * "People with disabilities [...] and other [...] psychological [...] conditions, should not be added to subcategories of Category:People with disabilities, [...] or Category:People by medical or psychological condition unless that condition is considered WP:DEFINING for that individual. For example, there may be people who have amnesia, but if reliable sources don't regularly describe the person as having that characteristic, they should not be added to the category."
 * Therefore, I'd support purging, but keep. Mason (talk) 13:02, 29 October 2023 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Qwerfjkl  talk  14:31, 5 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep & purge per Mason. Clyde  &#91;trout needed&#93; 02:15, 5 November 2023 (UTC)
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 * Oppose per Smasongarrison's original reasoning. Disabilities are defining. Dimadick (talk) 18:20, 9 November 2023 (UTC)


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LGBT people by sexual orientation
Relisted, see Categories for discussion/Log/2023 November 22%23LGBT people by sexual orientation

Category:History of Islam in India
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 * The result of the discussion was: triple merge to Category:Islam in India, Category:History of religion in India, and Category:History of Islam by country. (non-admin closure) HouseBlastertalk 22:29, 12 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:History of Islam in India to Category:Islam in India, Category:History of religion in India and Category:History of Islam by country
 * Nominator's rationale: upmerge, redundant category layer with only one subcategory. Marcocapelle (talk) 13:39, 5 November 2023 (UTC)
 * support per nom. Mason (talk) 19:01, 5 November 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Demolished religious buildings and structures
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 * The result of the discussion was: rename to Category:Destroyed religious buildings and structures. (non-admin closure) HouseBlastertalk 22:28, 12 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Demolished religious buildings and structures to Category:Destroyed religious buildings and structures
 * Nominator's rationale: rename per actual content, aligning with the names of the subcategories. Marcocapelle (talk) 12:39, 5 November 2023 (UTC)
 * support per nom. Mason (talk) 19:01, 5 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Support There is a long history of deliberately destroying places of worship during religious persecutions, from the Bath, Maine, anti-Catholic riot of 1854 to the demolition of the Babri Masjid. –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d c̄ ) 04:15, 8 November 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Homosexuality and bisexuality deities
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 * The result of the discussion was: listify. (non-admin closure) HouseBlastertalk 22:46, 12 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting homosexuality and bisexuality deities
 * Nominator's rationale: listify and delete per precedent in this earlier discussion. Marcocapelle (talk) 12:30, 5 November 2023 (UTC)
 * support per nom. Mason (talk) 19:01, 5 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Don't be silly. It's 2023 and people are ready to accept that gay/bi deities exist. 2A01:799:7A5:DF00:DD4D:A9A3:4FE3:B38C (talk) 15:22, 11 November 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Demolished Christian monasteries by country
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 * The result of the discussion was: merge to Category:Destroyed Christian monasteries. (non-admin closure) HouseBlastertalk 22:28, 12 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Demolished Christian monasteries by country to Category:Destroyed Christian monasteries
 * Nominator's rationale: upmerge, redundant category layer with only one subcategory. Marcocapelle (talk) 11:23, 5 November 2023 (UTC)
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Category:Demolished Christian monasteries
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 * The result of the discussion was: merge to Category:Destroyed Christian monasteries. (non-admin closure) HouseBlastertalk 22:27, 12 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Demolished Christian monasteries to Category:Destroyed Christian monasteries
 * Nominator's rationale: merge, overlapping scope. Marcocapelle (talk) 11:22, 5 November 2023 (UTC)
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Category:WikiProject Food and drink Taskforces
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 * The result of the discussion was: merge to Category:WikiProject Food and drink. (non-admin closure) HouseBlastertalk 22:27, 12 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:WikiProject Food and drink Taskforces to Category:WikiProject Food and drink
 * Nominator's rationale: Unnecessary category layer. If not merged, it should be renamed to "Category:WikiProject Food and drink task forces". – Fayenatic  L ondon 08:35, 5 November 2023 (UTC)
 * support per nom. Mason (talk) 19:01, 5 November 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Anne of Austria
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Category:Gay people
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 * The result of the discussion was: merge to Category:LGBT people by sexual orientation. (non-admin closure) HouseBlastertalk 22:26, 12 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Gay people to Category:LGBT people by sexual orientation
 * Nominator's rationale: upmerge, redundant category layer with only three (and soon only two) subcategories. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:46, 5 November 2023 (UTC)
 * support per nom Mason (talk) 01:29, 7 November 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Paintings of Venice
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 * The result of the discussion was: merge to Category:Paintings of Venice. (non-admin closure) –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d  c̄ ) 20:38, 13 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Paintings of Venice to Category:Cityscape paintings of Venice
 * Nominator's rationale: Seems to be the same scope. I don't really care about the direction of the merge. On one hand, it should be a subcategory of Category:Cityscape paintings, on the other hand we have Category:Paintings of Paris and Category:Paintings of London by Claude Monet. Pichpich (talk) 22:15, 28 October 2023 (UTC)

Relisting comment: Which way? Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Clyde  &#91;trout needed&#93; 02:20, 5 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Merge per nom. Having cityscape in the category name fits well with article Cityscape. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:52, 29 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Merge Category:Cityscape paintings of Venice to Category:Paintings of Venice instead, for consistency with the child categories ( and ) as well as, and . Ham II (talk) 19:16, 30 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Reverse merge is certainly also a good option, per Ham II, provided that Category:Paintings of Venice will also be parented to Category:Cityscape paintings. I have tagged Category:Cityscape paintings of Venice as well. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:49, 30 October 2023 (UTC)
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 * do you also agree with reverse merge? Marcocapelle (talk) 06:59, 5 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Wait, you already said you don't care about the direction of merge. In that case there seems to be consensus for reverse merge. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:21, 5 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Indeed. Reverse merge it is. Pichpich (talk) 21:21, 5 November 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Bollywood film clans
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 * The result of the discussion was: keep. (non-admin closure) –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d  c̄ ) 20:39, 13 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Bollywood film clans to Category:Families of Indian cinema
 * Nominator's rationale: Overlapping category. Mason (talk) 20:26, 28 October 2023 (UTC)

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 * Not sure of that, Bollywood seems to be limited to Hindi-language cinema. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:33, 28 October 2023 (UTC)
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 * Oppose merge. Bollywood only refers to Hindi cinema, whereas Category:Families of Indian cinema also has entries related to Telugu and Kannada cinema. Pichpich (talk) 21:25, 5 November 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Beauty pageants for people of specific ethnic or national descents
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Category:New Zealand Māori men
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 * The result of the discussion was: Containerize * Pppery * <sub style="color:#800000">it has begun... 04:41, 21 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting new zealand māori men
 * Nominator's rationale: delete per WP:OCEGRS, trivial intersection with gender. There is no need to merge, all articles are also in the Māori tree in some other way. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:27, 28 October 2023 (UTC)

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 * Oppose: ethnicity by gender categories are widespread (e.g. Category:African-American men, Category:Native American men, Category:European men and not obviously trivial in the manner of the examples cited in WP:OCEGRS, which doesn't actually provide a gender example. If the proposer wishes to change / define policy in this area, it would be better to start with a major category that will attract proper discussion, rather than one like this which few will notice). Gender is important in Maori culture and people are regularly noted specifically as being tane Maori or wahine Maori (Maori men or Maori women). The nominator has been preemptively moving men out of this category to Category:Māori tribal leaders, but the latter are sometimes women, so unless this category is deleted, these changes should be reverted. Furius (talk) 06:56, 28 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Category:African-American men, Category:Native American men, Category:European men are container categories for specifically male occupations, that is very different from this category. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:00, 28 October 2023 (UTC)
 * This category also has a child occupation category and further occupation categories could be created for most of the other articles in it. Why is that the right approach for native Americans and Europeans, but not for Maori? Furius (talk) 16:27, 28 October 2023 (UTC)
 * The child category can be kept, it is not part of the nomination. The issue is with all the articles. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:36, 28 October 2023 (UTC)
 * <p class="xfd_relist" style="margin:0 0 0 -1em;border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 2em;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * So, why would this category be deleted rather than converted into a container category? Furius (talk) 00:31, 21 November 2023 (UTC)
 * There appear to be three subcategories now, that is a different situation. In that case containerizing may be a good alternative. Marcocapelle (talk) 04:16, 21 November 2023 (UTC)


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Historical photographs of Sudan
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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d  c̄ ) 20:39, 13 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting historical photographs of sudan
 * Propose deleting images of sudan
 * Nominator's rationale Nonsense * Pppery * <sub style="color:#800000">it has begun... 03:52, 28 October 2023 (UTC)}}
 * support per nom. Mason (talk) 04:49, 28 October 2023 (UTC)


 * Delete, none of the articles are about photographs. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:41, 28 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep images of sudan I have just deleted the inappropriate cats for the three inappropriate articles and added 12 articles about Sudanese photographers or photographs. Munfarid1 (talk) 20:40, 28 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Images categories are for jpg files and the like, not for articles. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:45, 28 October 2023 (UTC)

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 * Delete is okay only for historical photographs of sudan Munfarid1 (talk) 20:40, 28 October 2023 (UTC)
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 * Note that there is long-standing consensus for Images categories not to contain articles, see Category:Wikipedia images: "it is not part of the encyclopedia and contains non-article pages".  Marcocapelle (talk) 07:55, 5 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Thanks, I wasn't aware of this restriction. Munfarid1 (talk) 12:33, 5 November 2023 (UTC)


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Category:PJ Masks
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 * The result of the discussion was: delete without prejudice against recreation if it can be appropriately populated. (non-admin closure) HouseBlastertalk 22:25, 12 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting pj masks
 * Nominator's rationale: WP:SMALLCAT, unlikely to be more than 3 pages. (Oinkers42) (talk) 01:42, 5 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Delete for now, without objection to recreate the category when more articles are written. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:03, 5 November 2023 (UTC)
 * support per nom. Mason (talk) 19:02, 5 November 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Buzz Lightyear of Star Command
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 * The result of the discussion was: withdrawn (non-admin closure) Marcocapelle (talk) 07:05, 5 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting buzz lightyear of star command
 * Nominator's rationale: WP:SMALLCAT, cannot think of much that could expand it. (Oinkers42) (talk) 01:36, 5 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Withdraw - I think it is right on the line for me. I am not certain about this. (Oinkers42) (talk) 01:58, 5 November 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Immigrants to Spanish Puerto Rico
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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  17:35, 22 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Immigrants to Spanish Puerto Rico to Category:Immigrants to Puerto Rico
 * Nominator's rationale: overlapping category Mason (talk) 00:38, 5 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. All members are now in a subcategory of the target by country of origin. –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d c̄ ) 20:41, 13 November 2023 (UTC)


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