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Category:Korean people of Manchukuo
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Category:Mexico Songs number-one singles

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) HouseBlastertalk 02:00, 18 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting mexico songs number-one singles
 * Nominator's rationale: This is one of many international charts Billboard created within the last couple of years as part of its Hits of the World charts but none of the songs are defined by reaching number one on it. Star cheers peaks news lost wars Talk to me 19:59, 10 October 2023 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:22, 11 October 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Koryo-saram

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  20:16, 18 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Koryo-saram to Category:Koryo-saram people
 * Nominator's rationale: Changing category scope to be more standard. Currently contains both people and societal elements (cuisine, culture, etc). Making this specifically about people then moving the rest into a category I just made, . Let me know if I shouldn't do this, but I think it's the right move; seems to be done for like toobigtokale (talk) 19:58, 10 October 2023 (UTC)


 * Support a clearly designated people subcategory. Thereafter Category:Koryo-saram society can be renamed to Category:Koryo-saram, adding "society" seems rather redundant. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:24, 11 October 2023 (UTC)
 * The paradigm I based it on was . I think what's tricky is that "Koryo-saram" means literally "Korean person", so if we call it just "Koryo-saram" people may use it as a people category. toobigtokale (talk) 01:49, 12 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Ok, understood. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:45, 12 October 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Bohemian clergy

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename "Foo Bohemian bar" to "Foo bar from Bohemia". (non-admin closure) HouseBlastertalk 02:02, 18 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:10th-century Bohemian people to Category:10th-century people from Bohemia
 * Propose renaming Category:10th-century Bohemian women to Category:10th-century women from Bohemia
 * Propose renaming Category:11th-century Bohemian people to Category:11th-century people from Bohemia
 * Propose renaming Category:11th-century Bohemian women to Category:11th-century women from Bohemia
 * Propose renaming Category:12th-century Bohemian people to Category:12th-century people from Bohemia
 * Propose renaming Category:12th-century Bohemian women to Category:12th-century women from Bohemia
 * Propose renaming Category:13th-century Bohemian clergy to Category:13th-century clergy from Bohemia
 * Propose renaming Category:13th-century Bohemian people to Category:13th-century people from Bohemia
 * Propose renaming Category:13th-century Bohemian women to Category:13th-century women from Bohemia
 * Propose renaming Category:14th-century Bohemian clergy to Category:14th-century clergy from Bohemia
 * Propose renaming Category:14th-century Bohemian people to Category:14th-century people from Bohemia
 * Propose renaming Category:14th-century Bohemian women to Category:14th-century women from Bohemia
 * Propose renaming Category:15th-century Bohemian clergy to Category:15th-century clergy from Bohemia
 * Propose renaming Category:15th-century Bohemian people to Category:15th-century people from Bohemia
 * Propose renaming Category:15th-century Bohemian women to Category:15th-century women from Bohemia
 * Propose renaming Category:16th-century Bohemian clergy to Category:16th-century clergy from Bohemia
 * Propose renaming Category:16th-century Bohemian people to Category:16th-century people from Bohemia
 * Propose renaming Category:16th-century Bohemian women to Category:16th-century women from Bohemia
 * Propose renaming Category:17th-century Bohemian clergy to Category:17th-century clergy from Bohemia
 * Propose renaming Category:17th-century Bohemian people to Category:17th-century people from Bohemia
 * Propose renaming Category:17th-century Bohemian women to Category:17th-century women from Bohemia
 * Propose renaming Category:18th-century Bohemian clergy to Category:18th-century clergy from Bohemia
 * Propose renaming Category:18th-century Bohemian people to Category:18th-century people from Bohemia
 * Propose renaming Category:18th-century Bohemian women to Category:18th-century women from Bohemia
 * Propose renaming Category:9th-century Bohemian people to Category:9th-century people from Bohemia
 * Propose renaming Category:Bohemian Jews to Category:Jews from Bohemia
 * Propose renaming Category:Bohemian Roman Catholic priests to Category:Roman Catholic priests from Bohemia
 * Propose renaming Category:Bohemian athletes to Category:Athletes from Bohemia
 * Propose renaming Category:Bohemian clergy to Category:Clergy from Bohemia
 * Propose renaming Category:Bohemian domestic workers to Category:Domestic workers from Bohemia
 * Propose renaming Category:Bohemian economists to Category:Economists from Bohemia
 * Propose renaming Category:Bohemian people by century to Category:People from Bohemia by century
 * Propose renaming Category:Bohemian rabbis to Category:Rabbis from Bohemia
 * Propose renaming Category:Bohemian women to Category:Women from Bohemia
 * Nominator's rationale: moving to full discussion because c2c was opposed. Recent consesnsus on Bohemian writers Categories for discussion/Log/2023 August 11. TLDR: Bohemian is ambiguous because of Bohemianism.  Mason (talk) 19:57, 10 October 2023 (UTC)


 * Category:Bohemian clergy to Category:Clergy from Bohemia – C2C: People from Bohemia by occupation Mason (talk) 13:29, 4 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Category:Bohemian athletes to Category:Athletes from Bohemia
 * Oppose speedy There is no clear convention for the proposed format in . (Only 3 of the 8 subcategories use that format.) Armbrust The Homunculus 16:34, 4 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Comment. See Categories for discussion/Log/2023 August 11. TLDR: Bohemian is ambiguous because of Bohemianism Mason (talk) 18:17, 5 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Moving to full discussion. I think it was fine under C2C, given the recent consensus. Mason (talk) 19:59, 10 October 2023 (UTC)


 * Pinging folks from speedy and recent consensus participants .Mason (talk) 20:07, 10 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Support per earlier discussion. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:13, 10 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Support to remove ambiguity Hugo999 (talk) 22:31, 14 October 2023 (UTC)


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Fictional people by location

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 * The result of the discussion was: split/rename/merge alt for American categories. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  20:24, 18 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose splitting Category:Fictional people by location and ethnic or national descent to Category:Fictional people by populated place and Category:Fictional people by country subdivision
 * Propose splitting Category:Fictional American people by location to Category:Fictional American people by country subdivision and Category:Fictional people by city in the United States
 * Propose renaming Category:Fictional British people by locality to Category:Fictional British people by populated place
 * Propose renaming Category:Fictional Canadian people by location to Category:Fictional Canadian people by province or territory
 * Propose splitting Category:Fictional Italian people by location to Category:Fictional Italian people by region and Category:Fictional Italian people by city
 * Propose renaming Category:Fictional Japanese people by location to Category:Fictional Japanese people by region
 * Propose renaming Category:Fictional Mexican people by location to Category:Fictional Mexican people by city
 * Nominator's rationale: split, first remove "by ethnic or national descent" because that is completely redundant here; second split to "by country subdivision" and "by populated place" because those are quite different split criteria. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:55, 10 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Support. per nom. Mason (talk) 19:58, 10 October 2023 (UTC)


 * Support except American categories, for which I suggest the alt proposal below, with the same spirit as above:
 * Propose renaming to
 * Propose moving to
 * Propose merging to
 * Propose merging to
 * Alt rationale: Similar to and, there's no good reason to leave Washington D.C., Puerto Rico etc. out of the main United States diffusion category. Only two child categories for counties ( and ), and no real reason to keep this level, as fictional characters primarily associated with American counties, rather than cities or states, are pretty rare. This would place the two remaining categories (by city and by state or territory) at the root of Fictional American people, as there is little need for an intermediate layer. Additional categories tagged.  courtesy ping. Place Clichy (talk) 08:39, 11 October 2023 (UTC)
 * I am also fine with the alt proposal for the United States. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:47, 12 October 2023 (UTC)
 * I'm equally fine with this alt. Mason (talk) 19:25, 17 October 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Fictional humans by type

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename to Category:Fictional humans (over the redirect). (non-admin closure) HouseBlastertalk 02:03, 18 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Fictional humans by type to Category:Fictional humans
 * Nominator's rationale: rename (over redirect), "by type" is quite meaningless here. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:52, 10 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Support per nom. AHI-3000 (talk) 19:58, 10 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Support per nom. Very vague what type means Mason (talk) 18:54, 11 October 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Fictional gynosexuals

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge. both to Category:Fictional characters by sexual orientation. (non-admin closure) HouseBlastertalk 18:53, 17 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose merging to
 * Propose merging to
 * Nominator's rationale: these are containers of other categories by sexual orientation, for which there is no equivalent in non-fiction categories. I don't think that this overlapping intermediate layer brings much value, or that it has a meaning specific to fictional characters. Place Clichy (talk) 18:05, 10 October 2023 (UTC)


 * Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:04, 10 October 2023 (UTC)


 * Merge per nom. Unnecessary overcategorization; intersection is not defining. Edward-Woodrow  •  talk  20:16, 10 October 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Former Southern Baptist ministers

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge to Category:Southern Baptist ministers. (non-admin closure) HouseBlastertalk 18:52, 17 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting former southern baptist ministers
 * Nominator's rationale: Per Category names: "Occupation categories should not be divided into "current" or "former" categories." There are all sort of reasons why someone might be a "former" minister - retirement, resignation, and of course, death - and this category lumps them all together. StAnselm (talk) 17:35, 10 October 2023 (UTC)


 * Merge to Category:Southern Baptist ministers rather than delete. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:45, 10 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Merge to Category:Southern Baptist ministers. We have plenty of former, even dead people in occupational categories, and former in category names in uselessly redundant. Place Clichy (talk) 18:07, 10 October 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Fictional Eurasian people

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) HouseBlastertalk 18:51, 17 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting fictional eurasian people
 * Nominator's rationale: This category mixes 2 incompatible meanings of the term Eurasian: being relative to the landmass of Eurasia, according to its description, and being of mixed European and Asian ancestry, as for the only actual article Aya Brea, a mixed Japanese-French comics character. (Note the irony that Japan is not in Eurasia.) Also, a very bad category loop shows that the creators' intent is not clear: . Also note relative Categories for discussion/Log/2023 October 9. Place Clichy (talk) 16:01, 10 October 2023 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:26, 10 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. –Aidan721 (talk) 22:27, 10 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. Mason (talk) 18:18, 12 October 2023 (UTC)


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Category:1906 establishments in Newfoundland and Labrador

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge to Category:1900s establishments in Newfoundland. (non-admin closure) HouseBlastertalk 14:59, 17 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:1906 establishments in Newfoundland and Labrador to Category:1900s establishments in Newfoundland
 * Nominator's rationale: Single-item WP:SMALLCAT at an anachronistic name. As always, navigation of Wikipedia is not aided by obsessively flattening everything down to the narrowest possible microcategories of one -- this would be fine if there were five things to file here, but if there's only one thing then it doesn't need to be catted any more narrowly than the decade. And for added bonus, the name is incorrect, as it was called "Newfoundland", not "Newfoundland and Labrador", in 1906. Bearcat (talk) 15:03, 10 October 2023 (UTC)


 * Merge per nom, not enough content per year, which does not only apply to this particular year but likewise for the surrounding decades. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:30, 10 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Support per nom. Mason (talk) 20:13, 10 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Merge per nom. –Aidan721 (talk) 22:26, 10 October 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Wikipedia outlines

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename to Category:Outlines. (non-admin closure) HouseBlastertalk 14:59, 17 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Wikipedia outlines to Category:Outlines
 * Nominator's rationale: Content categories shouldn't begin with "Wikipedia" (this should only be used for Wikipedia administration). Fram (talk) 13:47, 10 October 2023 (UTC)
 * I mean, we use Category:Lists, not Category:Wikipedia lists, for all mainspace lists. No reason why outlines should be treated differently. Fram (talk) 13:53, 10 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Support - Outlines are main namespace articles, and therefore, they should be covered in regular categories. Note, that none of the subcategories of outlines have the "Wikipedia" prefix:
 * Category:Outlines of culture and arts
 * Category:Outlines of general reference
 * Category:Outlines of mathematics and logic
 * Category:Outlines of people
 * Category:Outlines of geography and places
 * Category:Outlines of health and fitness
 * Category:Outlines of history and events
 * Category:Outlines of society
 * Category:Outlines of philosophy topics
 * Category:Outlines of sciences
 * Category:Outlines of technology and applied science
 * It follows that their parent category's title should match.  &mdash; The Transhumanist   14:04, 10 October 2023 (UTC)


 * There are pros and cons. Agree that WP:C2C applies. Agree that they are comparable with lists categories. But both outlines and lists are not real-life outlines and real-life lists. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:38, 10 October 2023 (UTC)
 * But this isn't a problem for the names of the underlying pages (they are "Outline of ..." or "List of ...", not "Wikipedia outline of...", so why should it be acceptable there and an issue at category level? Fram (talk) 17:59, 10 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Support. per nom. Mason (talk) 03:48, 11 October 2023 (UTC)


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Category:People from the Niger Coast Protectorate
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Category:Arab Christians
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Category:TBJZL songs

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) HouseBlastertalk 14:57, 17 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting tbjzl songs
 * Nominator's rationale: A category of redirects that all just point to the artist's article. Star cheers peaks news lost wars Talk to me 05:46, 10 October 2023 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:42, 10 October 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Screenwriters from the Russian Empire

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 * The result of the discussion was: dual merge. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  20:29, 18 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Screenwriters from the Russian Empire to Category:Russian screenwriters
 * Nominator's rationale: small cat, overlapping cat, where the intersection with regime isn't defining Mason (talk) 03:17, 10 October 2023 (UTC)


 * Dual merge, also to Category:Writers from the Russian Empire. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:28, 10 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Dual merge – both categories are applicable. HouseBlastertalk 02:06, 18 October 2023 (UTC)


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