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Category:People of the Kingdom of Quilon

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 * The result of the discussion was: dual merge. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  16:16, 21 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:People from the Kingdom of Quilon to Category:Kingdom of Quilon
 * Nominator's rationale: Unnecessary layer with 1 sub-category. –Aidan721 (talk) 22:47, 13 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Support. per nom Mason (talk) 01:03, 14 October 2023 (UTC)


 * Dual merge, also to Category:People from Kollam. Marcocapelle (talk) 03:57, 14 October 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Urartian people

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge to Category:Urartu. (non-admin closure) HouseBlastertalk 01:09, 21 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Urartian people to Category:Urartu
 * Nominator's rationale: Unnecessary layer with 1 sub-category. –Aidan721 (talk) 22:46, 13 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Support. per nom Mason (talk) 01:03, 14 October 2023 (UTC)


 * Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 03:58, 14 October 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Tenochca people by occupation

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. As Marcocapelle pointed out, all involved articles are already a part of the category tree that they would be merged into. (non-admin closure) HouseBlastertalk 01:09, 21 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Tenochca people by occupation to Category:Tenochca people
 * Nominator's rationale: Unnecessary layer with 2 sub-categories. –Aidan721 (talk) 22:44, 13 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Support. per nom Mason (talk) 01:03, 14 October 2023 (UTC)


 * Just delete, all content is already in Category:Tenochca nobility. Marcocapelle (talk) 04:06, 14 October 2023 (UTC)


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Category:9th-century people of the Carolingian Empire

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge both. (non-admin closure) HouseBlastertalk 01:06, 21 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:9th-century people of the Carolingian Empire to Category:People from the Carolingian Empire
 * Propose merging Category:9th-century women from the Carolingian Empire to Category:Women from the Carolingian Empire
 * Nominator's rationale: overlapping category, as the Carolingian Empire is from 800 to 888; at minimum, rename Category:9th-century people of the Carolingian Empire to Category:9th-century people from the Carolingian Empire for consistency. Mason (talk) 21:44, 13 October 2023 (UTC)


 * Merge per nom as Category:People from the Carolingian Empire is parented by Category:9th-century European people by nationality and Category:Women from the Carolingian Empire is parented by Category:9th-century women by nationality. –Aidan721 (talk) 22:31, 13 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 04:18, 14 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Merge per nom -- Lenticel ( talk ) 12:52, 14 October 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Kątski

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge/delete as nominated. There were arguments that these categories might be populate-able, but supporters noted that they can be recreated if and when they can be populated. (non-admin closure) HouseBlastertalk 01:23, 21 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Kątski to Category:Clan of Brochwicz
 * Propose merging Category:Kamieniecki (Pilawa) to Category:Clan of Pilawa
 * Propose merging Category:Tomicki (Łodzia) to Category:Clan of Łodzia
 * Propose deleting ustrzycki family
 * Propose deleting mortęski family
 * Propose merging Category:Woyna family to Category:Clan of Trąby
 * Nominator's rationale: one person in category, upmerge to clan when possible Mason (talk) 21:28, 13 October 2023 (UTC)
 * All of them have a potential to be populated, I actually added one member to the Ustrzycki family cat Marcelus (talk) 21:57, 13 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Great find! I'm not opposed to recreating any of these categories if and when more content is available (5ish pages). Mason (talk) 01:11, 14 October 2023 (UTC)
 * As you wish, but isn't it against WP:SMALLCAT? Marcelus (talk) 19:33, 14 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Sure, everything has the potential to be populated. But I don't see a realistic potential for them happening anytime soon. I do see that some of the categories are linked to inter-language categories, but that doesn't mean the non-english language pages are going to be created anytime soon. Mason (talk) 21:56, 14 October 2023 (UTC)
 * WP:SMALLCAT doesn't say anything about time tresholds. Sooner or later it will definitely happen considering constant growth of Wikipedia. There is no reason to remove category that we all know potentially consist several notable items. Marcelus (talk) 21:59, 14 October 2023 (UTC)
 * It is true that smallcat "doesn't say anything about time tresholds", but it doesn't forbid it, either. It does say realistic. I don't think that it is realistic to assume that every article on wikipedia will be created. "we all know potentially consist several notable items" We don't know that. Further, extending your logic would result in creating family categories for every family, because there's the potential for notable items.   Mason (talk) 21:46, 15 October 2023 (UTC)
 * We know it for sources obviously. Most of them were influential noble families, that had many notable representatives. I don't really see the reason for deleting them in order to just create them later. I just think it would be better if before requesting deletion you would actually examine sources and check for articles that can eventually be put in those category. Look how frutiful our discussion about Glinka family turned out to be. Marcelus (talk) 21:57, 15 October 2023 (UTC)
 * > I don't really see the reason for deleting them in order to just create them later. I
 * Sigh... it's pretty clear that you haven't tried to consider other people's perspectives on this.
 * > I just think it would be better if before requesting deletion you would actually examine sources and check for articles that can eventually be put in those category
 * That's an uncharitable interpretation.
 * > Look how frutiful our discussion about Glinka family turned out to be
 * I don't think our discussion was fruitful. You kept making uncharitable statements and then didn't respond to my questions asking for you to explain where you get the uncharitable interpretations. Mason (talk) 02:21, 16 October 2023 (UTC)
 * You are making bunch of accusations against me, for no apparent reason. Marcelus (talk) 08:09, 16 October 2023 (UTC)


 * Merge for now, without prejudice to recreate any of these categories when it can be populated a lot better. Marcocapelle (talk) 04:20, 14 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Support merge per nom -- Lenticel ( talk ) 12:52, 14 October 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Schack family

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  16:16, 21 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting schack family
 * Propose deleting sielecki (sas)
 * Nominator's rationale: Small cat (n<3 ) without a corresponding eponymous article about the family Mason (talk) 21:21, 13 October 2023 (UTC)
 * proposed deleting, but you both !voted merge per nom. ? Edward-Woodrow  •  talk  00:08, 21 October 2023 (UTC)


 *  Merge Delete per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 04:21, 14 October 2023 (UTC)
 *  Merge Delete per nom -- Lenticel ( talk ) 12:53, 14 October 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Austerlitz family

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete/merge. (non-admin closure)  Edward-Woodrow  •  talk  00:09, 21 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting austerlitz family
 * Propose merging Category:Ligęza to Category:Clan of Półkozic
 * Nominator's rationale: Small cat with only 1 person + the corresponding eponymous article about the family Mason (talk) 21:21, 13 October 2023 (UTC)


 * Delete/merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 04:22, 14 October 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Białłozor (Wieniawa)

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge to Category:Clan of Wieniawa. (non-admin closure) HouseBlastertalk 01:04, 21 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting białłozor (wieniawa)
 * alternative would be to upmerge it into Category:Clan of Wieniawa
 * Nominator's rationale: Small cat (n<3 ) without a corresponding eponymous article about the family Mason (talk) 21:14, 13 October 2023 (UTC)


 * Merge per nom's alternative. Marcocapelle (talk) 04:24, 14 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Merge per nom as alternative to deletion -- Lenticel ( talk ) 12:53, 14 October 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Southwest League of Professional Baseball

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 * The result of the discussion was: Delete; page already listed at parent cat. (non-admin closure)  Edward-Woodrow  •  talk  00:13, 21 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting southwest league of professional baseball
 * Nominator's rationale: Has only one page in the category. Let&#39;srun (talk) 21:04, 13 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Support. I think that this could have been speedied. Mason (talk) 21:38, 13 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Speedy upmerge per WP:C2F. –Aidan721 (talk) 22:32, 13 October 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Private members' clubs
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Category:People from the Duchy of Croatia

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge to Category:Duchy of Croatia. (non-admin closure)  Edward-Woodrow  •  talk  00:15, 21 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:People from the Duchy of Croatia to Category:Duchy of Croatia
 * Nominator's rationale: Unnecessary layer. –Aidan721 (talk) 20:58, 13 October 2023 (UTC)


 * Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:00, 13 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Merge. per nom Mason (talk) 21:18, 13 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Merge per nom -- Lenticel ( talk ) 12:54, 14 October 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Explorers from the Dutch Republic

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge to Category:17th-century Dutch explorers. (non-admin closure) HouseBlastertalk 01:04, 21 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Explorers from the Dutch Republic to Category:17th-century Dutch explorers
 * Nominator's rationale: WP:OVERLAPCAT. The intersection of regime and explorer is not defining. –Aidan721 (talk) 20:51, 13 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Support per nom. Mason (talk) 20:56, 13 October 2023 (UTC)


 * Merge, 17th century is more specific than Dutch Republic and all three articles fit the 17th century. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:58, 13 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Merge per nom -- Lenticel ( talk ) 09:31, 15 October 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Printers from the Dutch Republic

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge to Category:Dutch printers. (non-admin closure) HouseBlastertalk 01:12, 21 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Printers from the Dutch Republic to Category:Dutch printers
 * Nominator's rationale: The intersection between regime and printer is not defining. –Aidan721 (talk) 20:41, 13 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Support per nom. Mason (talk) 20:56, 13 October 2023 (UTC)


 *  Dual merge, also to Category:Businesspeople from the Dutch Republic. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:01, 13 October 2023 (UTC)
 * The two articles are already in Category:17th-century Dutch businesspeople which should be parented by Category:Businesspeople from the Dutch Republic, correct? –Aidan721 (talk) 22:34, 13 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Yes you are right. Marcocapelle (talk) 04:35, 14 October 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Pirates from the Dutch Republic
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Category:Physicians from the Dutch Republic

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) HouseBlastertalk 01:03, 21 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting physicians from the dutch republic
 * Nominator's rationale: The intersection of regime and physicians is not defining. Note that the lone article is already in Category:Dutch tropical physicians so merging to Category:Dutch physicians is not needed. –Aidan721 (talk) 20:28, 13 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Support per nom. Mason (talk) 20:56, 13 October 2023 (UTC)


 * Support per nom -- Lenticel ( talk ) 09:31, 15 October 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Rulers by century

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 * The result of the discussion was: keep. There was less discussion on the alt merge proposal, but that is to be expected for a sub-proposal; an interested party may consider raising it as its own nomination. (non-admin closure) HouseBlastertalk 01:16, 21 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Rulers by century to Category:State leaders by century
 * Propose renaming Category:21st-century rulers to Category:21th-century state leaders
 * Propose renaming Category:20th-century rulers to Category:20th-century state leaders
 * Propose renaming Category:19th-century rulers to Category:19th-century state leaders
 * Propose renaming Category:18th-century rulers to Category:18th-century state leaders
 * Propose renaming Category:17th-century rulers to Category:17th-century state leaders
 * Propose renaming Category:16th-century rulers to Category:16th-century state leaders
 * Propose renaming Category:15th-century rulers to Category:15th-century state leaders
 * Propose renaming Category:14th-century rulers to Category:14th-century state leaders
 * Propose renaming Category:13th-century rulers to Category:13th-century state leaders
 * Propose renaming Category:12th-century rulers to Category:12th-century state leaders
 * Propose renaming Category:11th-century rulers to Category:11th-century state leaders
 * Propose renaming Category:10th-century rulers to Category:10th-century state leaders
 * Propose renaming Category:9th-century rulers to Category:9th-century state leaders
 * Propose renaming Category:8th-century rulers to Category:8th-century state leaders
 * Propose renaming Category:7th-century rulers to Category:7th-century state leaders
 * Propose renaming Category:6th-century rulers to Category:6th-century state leaders
 * Nominator's rationale: More precise than simply 'ruler,' which can encompass a wide range of meanings. Furthermore, this can be regarded as C2D as the primary articles are already titled Lists of state leaders by century. Kpratter (talk) 15:20, 6 October 2023 (UTC)


 * Alt merge for the earlier centuries:
 * Category:6th-century rulers to Category:6th-century people by occupation
 * Category:7th-century rulers to Category:7th-century people by occupation
 * Category:8th-century rulers to Category:8th-century people by occupation
 * Category:9th-century rulers to Category:9th-century people by occupation
 * Category:10th-century rulers to Category:10th-century people by occupation
 * Rationale: redundant category layer with only two subcategories, similar as for centuries earlier than the 6th century. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:38, 6 October 2023 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Edward-Woodrow  •  talk  20:06, 13 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Oppose The term leaders can also encompass a range of meanings. Does it include senator, MPs, first ladies, advisors, statesman, etc.? How do we know when modern states began? How do we know which are state leaders and which are rulers of society before modern states? tahc chat 20:38, 7 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Support the renamings, as clearer in scope. *Oppose any mergers. Dimadick (talk) 21:55, 7 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Oppose since the term of 'state' carries a lot of baggage that doesn't necessarily apply to all these individuals. ― <b style="color:#270;rotate:-2deg;display:inline-block">novov</b>  (t   c)
 * Alt merge for the earlier centuries per Marcocapelle; Defer the rest until the Category:Women rulers by century tree has been phased out (we're at the 12th century now). Oppose "state leaders" as still very ambiguous. See User talk:Nederlandse Leeuw/Rulers for background on the ongoing process of phasing out the Category:Rulers tree. NLeeuw (talk) 20:51, 9 October 2023 (UTC)
 * <p class="xfd_relist" style="margin:0 0 0 -1em;border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 2em;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * mild Oppose. I think that state leader is less clear. Mason (talk) 21:19, 13 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Oppose - "state leaders" is a useless made-up term. Head of government and Head of state is what you want. Rulers is fine at least until about 1790. Johnbod (talk) 21:28, 13 October 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Legendary people by ethnicity or nationality
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 * The result of the discussion was: split into Category:Legendary people by nationality and Category:Legendary people by ethnicity. (non-admin closure) HouseBlastertalk 01:25, 21 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose splitting Category:Legendary people by ethnicity or nationality to Category:Legendary people by nationality and Category:Legendary people by ethnicity
 * Nominator's rationale: split, ethnicity and nationality are quite different things, each with their own category tree. When split, re-parent to either ethnicity or nationality. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:03, 13 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Support per nom. Mason (talk) 20:56, 13 October 2023 (UTC)


 * Support per nom -- Lenticel ( talk ) 09:32, 15 October 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Legendary Abkhazian people
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 * The result of the discussion was: merge all. (non-admin closure) HouseBlastertalk 01:03, 21 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Legendary Abkhazian people to Category:Legendary people and Category:Abkhazian people
 * Propose merging Category:Legendary Togolese people to Category:Legendary people and Category:Togolese people (added later)
 * Propose merging Category:Legendary Andorran people to Category:Legendary people and Category:Andorran people (added later)
 * Propose merging Category:Legendary Flemish people to Category:Legendary people (single merge, added later)
 * Nominator's rationale: merge, only one article and expansion is not very likely. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:58, 13 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Support per nom. Mason (talk) 20:57, 13 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Support and nominate Category:Legendary Togolese people for the same reasons as well.--AHI-3000 (talk) 19:08, 14 October 2023 (UTC)


 * Support per nom -- Lenticel ( talk ) 12:54, 14 October 2023 (UTC)
 * I added the Togolese category to the nomination as suggested by User:AHI-3000. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:57, 14 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Also consider nominating Category:Legendary Andorran people and Category:Legendary Flemish people as well.--AHI-3000 (talk) 20:20, 14 October 2023 (UTC)


 * Still support. Mason (talk) 19:58, 14 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Still support thanks for the ping -- Lenticel ( talk ) 00:13, 15 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Merge all per nom. Place Clichy (talk) 02:23, 15 October 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Finnish emigrants (1809–1917)
Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2023 October 21%23Category:Finnish emigrants (1809–1917)

Category:Kingdom of Bohemia emigrants to the Thirteen Colonies
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Category:Families from Suffolkshire
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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. I've moved the article to Category:People from Ipswich. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  16:19, 21 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Families from Suffolkshire to Category:People from Suffolk
 * Nominator's rationale: small underpopulated category Mason (talk) 12:21, 13 October 2023 (UTC)


 * The one article may more specifically be put in Category:People from Ipswich. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:22, 13 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete/Merge - note that Suffolkshire does not exist, & never has. The category was set up by an American editor. Johnbod (talk) 21:31, 13 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Thanks for confirming. (As an American editor, I wasn't sure if that was a missing category or a erroneous name) Mason (talk) 01:05, 14 October 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Family by culture
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 * The result of the discussion was: merge to Category:Family. (non-admin closure) HouseBlastertalk 21:29, 20 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Family by culture to Category:Family
 * Nominator's rationale: one 1 category in it Mason (talk) 12:16, 13 October 2023 (UTC)


 * Merge, redundant category layer. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:23, 13 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Merge per above -- Lenticel ( talk ) 00:26, 15 October 2023 (UTC)


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Category:McDell Marine
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 * The result of the discussion was: merge to Category:Sailboat types built by McDell Marine. (non-admin closure) HouseBlastertalk 21:26, 20 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:McDell Marine to Category:Sailboat types built by McDell Marine
 * Nominator's rationale: single category Mason (talk) 11:55, 13 October 2023 (UTC)


 * Merge per nom. The subcategory may be nominated for upmerge to its other parents. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:27, 13 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Merge per above -- Lenticel ( talk ) 00:27, 15 October 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Cities destroyed during the Russian invasion of Ukraine
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 * The result of the discussion was: rename to Category:Populated places destroyed during the Russian invasion of Ukraine. (non-admin closure) HouseBlastertalk 21:25, 20 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Cities destroyed during the Russian invasion of Ukraine to Category:Populated places destroyed during the Russian invasion of Ukraine
 * Nominator's rationale: I first created this category under the current title, however Category:Destroyed populated places has since been moved from Category:Destroyed cities and now I think this title would be more appropriate for this category. Super Dromaeosaurus (talk) 08:56, 13 October 2023 (UTC)


 * Rename per precedent, more and more city categories are renamed to populated places. Marcocapelle (talk) 11:22, 13 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Support. per nom Mason (talk) 11:56, 13 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Rename per nom. –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d c̄ ) 19:51, 13 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Support per nom -- Lenticel ( talk ) 09:32, 15 October 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Superheroes by ethnicity or nationality
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 * The result of the discussion was: rename to Category:Superheroes by continent. (non-admin closure) HouseBlastertalk 21:25, 20 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Superheroes by ethnicity or nationality to Category:Superheroes by continent
 * Nominator's rationale: rename, considering the content, "by continent" is a more appropriate name than the current name. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:04, 13 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Support. per nom Mason (talk) 11:57, 13 October 2023 (UTC)


 * Support per nom -- Lenticel ( talk ) 09:43, 15 October 2023 (UTC)


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Fictional people by nationality
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 * The result of the discussion was: rename and reparent. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  16:20, 21 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Fictional criminals by ethnicity or nationality to Category:Fictional criminals by nationality
 * Propose renaming Category:Fictional engineers by ethnicity or nationality to Category:Fictional engineers by nationality
 * Propose renaming Category:Fictional military personnel by ethnicity or nationality to Category:Fictional military personnel by nationality
 * Propose renaming Category:Fictional police officers by ethnicity or nationality to Category:Fictional police officers by nationality
 * Propose renaming Category:Fictional scientists by ethnicity or nationality to Category:Fictional scientists by nationality
 * Propose renaming Category:Fictional secret agents and spies by ethnicity or nationality to Category:Fictional secret agents and spies by nationality
 * Propose renaming Category:Fictional people by medium and ethnic or national descent‎ to Category:Fictional people by nationality and medium‎, and purge Category:Fictional black people by medium
 * Nominator's rationale: rename and re-parent per actual content, these are categories simply split by nationality, not by ethnicity (save one exception). When renamed, they should also be re-parented to Category:Fictional people by nationality. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:39, 13 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Support. per nom Mason (talk) 11:56, 13 October 2023 (UTC)


 * Support per nom -- Lenticel ( talk ) 09:42, 15 October 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Daughters of barons
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Category:Peterson family
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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) HouseBlastertalk 21:23, 20 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting peterson family
 * Nominator's rationale: Small cat, only 1 page Mason (talk) 01:49, 13 October 2023 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 11:31, 13 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. –Aidan721 (talk) 20:27, 13 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom -- Lenticel ( talk ) 09:43, 15 October 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Cronstedt family residences
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 * The result of the discussion was: merge as proposed with no prejudice against recreation if and when they can be populated. (non-admin closure) HouseBlastertalk 01:18, 21 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Cronstedt family residences to Category:Cronstedt family
 * Propose merging Category:Buildings and structures of the Rantzau family to Category:Rantzau family
 * Propose merging Category:Buildings and structures of the Dyre family to Category:Dyre family
 * Keep The Dyre family is a centuries-old noble family which has owned at least a dozen different manors and at least a similar number of churches. There is thus a basuis for far more oages in this category.Ramblersen2 (talk) 09:49, 13 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Glad to see it has two now, but until those pages exist I think the category needs to be merged Mason (talk) 11:58, 13 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Buildings and structures in Denmark of the Løvenørn to Category:Løvenørn family
 * Propose merging Category:Doughton family residences to Category:Doughton family
 * Propose merging Category:Booth family residences to Category:Booth family (theatre)
 * Propose merging Category:Bragg family residences to Category:Bragg family
 * Propose merging Category:Oelrichs family residences to Category:Oelrichs family
 * Propose merging Category:Spelling family residences to Category:Spelling family
 * Propose merging Category:Siegel family residences to Category:Siegel family
 * Propose merging Category:Ravenel family residences to Category:Ravenel family
 * Propose merging Category:Resor family residences to Category:Resor family
 * Propose merging Category:Morehead family residences to Category:Morehead family
 * Nominator's rationale: over categorized. each has just one page in the category Mason (talk) 01:28, 13 October 2023 (UTC)


 * Merge all, for now, with no prejudice to recreation of any of these categories if and when more content is available. Marcocapelle (talk) 11:33, 13 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Merge all, for now. –Aidan721 (talk) 20:27, 13 October 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Pettus family
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Category:Seasons in ice hockey by country
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 * The result of the discussion was: merge/delete as nominated. (non-admin closure) HouseBlastertalk 00:59, 21 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting seasons in chinese ice hockey
 * Propose merging Category:1980–81 in Chinese ice hockey to Category:1981 in Chinese sport, Category:1980–81 in Asian ice hockey
 * Propose merging Category:2006–07 in Chinese ice hockey to Category:2007 in Chinese sport, Category:2006–07 in Asian ice hockey
 * Propose deleting seasons in andorran ice hockey
 * Propose merging Category:1996–97 in Andorran ice hockey to Category:1997 in Andorran sport, Category:1996–97 in European ice hockey
 * Propose deleting seasons in emirati ice hockey
 * Propose merging Category:2012–13 in Emirati ice hockey to Category:2012 in Emirati sport
 * Propose deleting seasons in south african ice hockey
 * Propose merging Category:2016 in South African ice hockey to Category:2016 in South African sport
 * Propose merging Category:2015 in South African ice hockey to Category:2015 in South African sport
 * Propose merging Category:2013 in South African ice hockey to Category:2013 in South African sport
 * Propose merging Category:2011 in South African ice hockey to Category:2011 in South African sport
 * Propose merging Category:1995 in South African ice hockey to Category:1995 in South African sport
 * Propose merging Category:1992 in South African ice hockey to Category:1992 in South African sport
 * Propose deleting seasons in taiwanese ice hockey
 * Propose merging Category:2016–17 in Taiwanese ice hockey to Category:2016 in Taiwanese sport, Category:2016–17 in Asian ice hockey
 * Propose deleting seasons in mexican ice hockey
 * Propose merging Category:1999–2000 in Mexican ice hockey to Category:2000 in Mexican sports
 * Propose merging Category:2002–03 in Mexican ice hockey to Category:March 2003 sports events in Mexico
 * Propose merging Category:2004–05 in Mexican ice hockey to Category:2005 in Mexican sports
 * Propose merging Category:2013–14 in Mexican ice hockey to Category:March 2014 sports events in Mexico
 * Propose merging Category:2021–22 in Mexican ice hockey to Category:July 2022 sports events in Mexico
 * Nominator's rationale: No need for these trees. WP:NARROW. –Aidan721 (talk) 17:22, 5 October 2023 (UTC)
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 * Merge/delete per nom. Ice hockey is poorly developed in many countries. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:13, 13 October 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Emigrants from the Kingdom of Bavaria to the United Kingdom
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Category:Signers of the Madrid Charter
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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) HouseBlastertalk 21:22, 20 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting signers of the madrid charter
 * Nominator's rationale: Fails WP:CATDEF. Signing an open letter is not a defining characteristic, compared to signers of constitutions and declarations of independence. NoonIcarus (talk) 00:09, 13 October 2023 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom. This typically calls for a list, and the list is already there in the main article. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:16, 13 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. Mason (talk) 01:09, 14 October 2023 (UTC)


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