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Category:Emigrants from the Dominion of Newfoundland to the United Kingdom
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Category:Emigrants from pre-Confederation New Brunswick to the United States
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Category:Immigrants to pre-unification Italy

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 ( d  c̄ ) 20:52, 13 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Immigrants to pre-unification Italy to Category:Immigrants to Italy
 * Nominator's rationale: small cat, that overlaps with the parent category. I don't think adding the distinction of it being pre-unified italy helpful Mason (talk) 23:33, 4 October 2023 (UTC)


 * Just delete, the one person in the category lived only a few years in Florence before settling permanently in Hamburg. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:36, 5 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete per Marcocapelle. Another example where User:Johnpacklambert created a category in August 2022, place one article in and left it as it. While such categories could maybe bring something in principle if used correctly, they are too thin and too over-refined to take up on heir own. They show a too strict reading of historic political regimes and periodization, that's maybe too specific to the creator of these categories. As a result, they bring more harm than good. Place Clichy (talk) 10:22, 5 October 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Cloud browsers

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge to Category:Cloud applications. (non-admin closure) HouseBlastertalk 17:08, 12 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Cloud browsers to Category:Cloud applications
 * Nominator's rationale: One-element category. The sole article is already in another subcat of Category:Web browsers so doesn't need to be merged there. * Pppery * it has begun... 22:38, 4 October 2023 (UTC)


 * Merge for now with no objection to recreation of the category when it can be populated better. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:36, 6 October 2023 (UTC)


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Category:American people by city and occupation

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename from "American foo by city" to "American foo by populated place". (non-admin closure) HouseBlastertalk 17:05, 12 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:American people by city and occupation to Category:American people by populated place and occupation
 * Propose renaming Category:American people by occupation and city to Category:American people by occupation and populated place
 * Propose renaming Category:Actors by city or town in the United States to Category:Actors by populated place in the United States
 * Propose renaming Category:Actresses by city or town in the United States to Category:Actresses by populated place in the United States
 * Propose renaming Category:Male actors by city or town in the United States to Category:Male actors by populated place in the United States
 * Propose renaming Category:American clergy by city to Category:American clergy by populated place
 * Propose renaming Category:American businesspeople by city to Category:American businesspeople by populated place
 * Propose renaming Category:American writers by city to Category:American writers by populated place
 * Propose renaming Category:American television anchors by city to Category:American television anchors by populated place
 * Propose renaming Category:American scientists by city to Category:American scientists by populated place
 * Propose renaming Category:Religious leaders by city in the United States to Category:Religious leaders by populated place in the United States
 * Propose renaming Category:American radio personalities by city to Category:American radio personalities by populated place
 * Propose renaming Category:American politicians by city to Category:American politicians by populated place
 * Propose renaming Category:American physicians by city to Category:American physicians by populated place
 * Propose renaming Category:American pharmacists by city to Category:American pharmacists by populated place
 * Propose renaming Category:American singers by city to Category:American singers by populated place
 * Propose renaming Category:American guitarists by city to Category:American guitarists by populated place
 * Propose renaming Category:American rappers by city to Category:American rappers by populated place
 * Propose renaming Category:American musicians by city to Category:American musicians by populated place
 * Propose renaming Category:American military personnel by city to Category:American military personnel by populated place
 * Propose renaming Category:Lawyers by city in the United States to Category:Lawyers by populated place in the United States
 * Propose renaming Category:American filmmakers by city to Category:American filmmakers by populated place
 * Propose renaming Category:American educators by city to Category:American educators by populated place
 * Propose renaming Category:American composers by city to Category:American composers by populated place
 * Propose renaming Category:American chefs by city to Category:American chefs by populated place
 * Nominator's rationale: There are places in this category that are not cities (e.g. Brookline, Massachusetts, Greenwich, Connecticut, and Montclair, New Jersey). Rename to reflect this reality. See history: Categories_for_discussion/Log/2023_January_15. –Aidan721 (talk) 20:52, 4 October 2023 (UTC)


 * Rename per nom; I support the associated broadening of scope. Edward-Woodrow  •  talk  21:47, 4 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Support per nom. I think making it broader is helpful. Mason (talk) 22:45, 4 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Support. The wider scope would be a definite advantage and in keeping with other similar categories. Grutness... wha?   04:17, 5 October 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Sons of Temperance
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Category:Education in St. Cloud, Florida

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge to Category:St. Cloud, Florida. No prejudice against recreation if it can be populated in the future. (non-admin closure) HouseBlastertalk 17:17, 12 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Education in St. Cloud, Florida to Category:St. Cloud, Florida
 * Nominator's rationale: The lone article is already in Category:High schools in Osceola County, Florida so the intersection is trivial. –Aidan721 (talk) 16:47, 4 October 2023 (UTC)


 * Merge for now, with no objection to recreation of the category when it can be populated better. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:23, 4 October 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Trees in County Wexford

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. without prejudice against recreation if the category can be populated. (non-admin closure) HouseBlastertalk 20:25, 12 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting trees in county wexford
 * Nominator's rationale: Single-item WP:SMALLCAT newly created solely to overcategorize an arboretum. Every arboretum in existence does not automatically need to be categorized as "Trees in [Specific City or County]", especially if it's already in other more appropriate categories related to that city or county anyway (such as and, both of which were already here), and the  parent also has no established "Trees of [Specific Irish County]" subcategories either. Bearcat (talk) 16:47, 4 October 2023 (UTC)


 * Delete overcategorization, there are no categories specifically about trees in this specific of an area. Yoblyblob (talk) 17:02, 4 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete per Yoblyblob, meaning no articles specifically about trees. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:26, 4 October 2023 (UTC)
 * I'll go with the majority, but I was intending to write about some famous trees.--Thoughtfortheday (talk) 10:52, 5 October 2023 (UTC)
 * I would not have an issue with recreation of the category when some five articles about individual trees exist. Marcocapelle (talk) 22:36, 5 October 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Baseball in Honduras

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete without prejudice against recreation if it can be populated. (non-admin closure) HouseBlastertalk 17:19, 12 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting baseball in honduras
 * Nominator's rationale: The lone article is already in Category:Sports venues in Honduras and Category:Baseball venues in North America, so the intersection of this category is trivial. –Aidan721 (talk) 16:41, 4 October 2023 (UTC)


 * Delete for now, with no objection to recreation of the category when it can be populated better. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:28, 4 October 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Miss Grand International 2018

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge/delete as nominated. (non-admin closure) HouseBlastertalk 17:22, 12 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Miss Grand International 2018 to Category:Miss Grand International
 * Propose merging Category:Miss Grand International 2023 to Category:Miss Grand International
 * Propose deleting Category:Miss Grand International by year
 * Nominator's rationale: Two new single-item WP:SMALLCATs, newly created solely to overcategorize each year's "Listed Miss Grand International YYYY national representative selection" spinoff, but the only other things that could be filed here at all are Miss Grand International 2018 and Miss Grand International 2023 themselves, which would still just make them smallcats of two. Recurring annual events can have by-year subcategories if there's a lot of year-specific content to file in them (such as a sports competition where the main article might be supplemented with several spinoffs for each individual event), but are not warranted for just one or two things per year (such as a film festival or a beauty pageant) -- navigation of the Wikipedia is not aided by obsessively sifting everything down into one or two item microcategories, so these two articles just belong in the parent category rather than having their own dedicated year-specific subcats. And will just be left empty if these are upmerged. I'd also note that the pages also seem like bad titles that should probably be moved to something better, but that's not CFD's purview — I just want to state it on the record because I don't know enough about the subject to propose RM discussions myself. Bearcat (talk) 16:29, 4 October 2023 (UTC)


 * Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:30, 4 October 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Television shows affected by the 2023 Writers Guild of America strike

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) HouseBlastertalk 17:20, 12 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting television shows affected by the 2023 writers guild of america strike
 * Nominator's rationale: Doesn't seem to be a defining category. Yes, the shows may have been impacted by the strike, but I suspect in the vast majority of cases that didn't have any significant impact on them. A properly sourced list where the impacts can be more fully discussed might be a better option. DonIago (talk) 16:28, 4 October 2023 (UTC)


 * Delete - I'll take "every television show (and not just those that employed WGA writers)" for $1000, Alex. - jc37 20:19, 4 October 2023 (UTC)


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Category:People killed during John Brown's raid on Harpers Ferry
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 * The result of the discussion was: merge to Category:Participants in John Brown's raid on Harpers Ferry. (non-admin closure) –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d  c̄ ) 20:53, 13 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:People killed during John Brown's raid on Harpers Ferry to Category:Participants in John Brown's raid on Harpers Ferry
 * Nominator's rationale: Per WP:OCNARROW. User:Namiba 13:11, 4 October 2023 (UTC)


 * Comment, the target has been nominated for speedy renaming to Category:John Brown's raiders. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:45, 6 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Merge, I would have said leave it alone if the category would also have been part of some type of death tree, but that is not the case. It is not war casualties or murder or anything. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:51, 6 October 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Shangri-La
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 * The result of the discussion was: rename to Category:Shangri-La City, purge, reparent. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  18:10, 16 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting shangri-la
 * Nominator's rationale: One category for a fictional location and a real-life city of the same name in China? There aren't enough entries to justify a category for the fictional place. Clarityfiend (talk) 06:51, 4 October 2023 (UTC)


 * There may be just enough entries for a Category:Shangri-La City about the real-life city. Marcocapelle (talk) 10:33, 4 October 2023 (UTC)
 * This should be deleted per WP:SHAREDNAME, per Shangri-La (disambiguation). That said, I agree with Marcocapelle above, that this could be renamed to Category:Shangri-La City, per Shangri-La City. With Category:County-level divisions of Dêqên Tibetan Autonomous Prefecture as its new parent. Noting that this was a county which was "upgraded into a county-level city" in 2014. (Which was intentionally named afer the fictional location in 2001.) - jc37 09:31, 13 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Rename and purge to Category:Shangri-La City. –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d c̄ ) 20:59, 13 October 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Jaberi family
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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) HouseBlastertalk 22:03, 12 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting jaberi family
 * Nominator's rationale: small cat Mason (talk) 02:42, 4 October 2023 (UTC)


 * Delete, currently only a single article in thus category. No objection to recreation when it can be populated with at least five articles. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:54, 4 October 2023 (UTC)


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Military catering
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Category:Canadian people who self-identify as being of Indigenous descent
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Category:African-American Catholic consecrated religious
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Category:American Roman Catholics by occupation
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Category:Private clubs in Toronto
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 * The result of the discussion was: merge.


 * Merge Category:Private clubs in Toronto to Category:Clubs and societies based in Toronto
 * Merge Category:Private clubs in Vancouver to Category:Clubs and societies based in Vancouver (non-admin closure) –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d c̄ ) 21:01, 13 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting private clubs in toronto
 * Propose deleting private clubs in vancouver
 * Nominator's rationale: Overcategorization of clubs by membership criteria. Wikipedia does not have any other "private clubs in X" categories for any other place in the world besides these two newly created ones for Canadian cities, nor do we have any standard scheme of using the category system to separate "private" from "public" entities in this context. Bearcat (talk) 20:46, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

Relisting comment: It is unclear what the !voters want to do with these categories. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d c̄ ) 00:01, 4 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Rename to match the format of Category:Clubs and societies based in Toronto. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:16, 21 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Rename to match naming scheme of Category:Private members' clubs. Gjs238 (talk) 16:35, 21 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Question: On second thought, is the category title Category:Private members' clubs redundant? Aren't clubs and societies inherently private? If they weren't, then they wouldn't be clubs and societies. One must join a club to obtain membership. Gjs238 (talk) 16:43, 21 September 2023 (UTC)
 * I think private refers to the organization itself. Like you can be the member of a public/state organization that's exclusive. Mason (talk) 23:49, 21 September 2023 (UTC)
 * I don't think there are many public/state clubs (if any at all). Of course "private" is redundant in Category:Private clubs in Toronto. The confusion is in private members clubs but that is not what these categories are about. Marcocapelle (talk) 12:01, 22 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Comment - the Category:Private members' clubs tree should be deleted/merged to the Category:Clubs and societies tree. "Private", is either redundant, or subjective, among other things. - jc37 13:13, 23 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Support as per jc37 Gjs238 (talk) 14:53, 23 September 2023 (UTC)
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 * Upmerging to Category:Clubs and societies based in Toronto and Category:Clubs and societies based in Vancouver, per Jc37, is also a good solution. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:09, 4 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Support Upmerge as per jc37 and Marcocapelle Gjs238 (talk) 12:17, 5 October 2023 (UTC)


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