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Category:1818 establishments in Illinois Territory

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename. (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 ( d  c̄ ) 14:32, 16 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:1818 establishments in Illinois Territory to Category:1818 establishments in Illinois
 * Nominator's rationale: Illinois was granted statehood in 1818 and thus Illinois Territory became Illinois. –Aidan721 (talk) 22:09, 8 October 2023 (UTC)


 * Most of these establishments took place before Illinois became a state. The transition happened by December 3rd. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:42, 9 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Many are political positions that were established when Illinois was granted statehood. –Aidan721 (talk) 13:58, 9 October 2023 (UTC)
 * That is also true. I won't oppose. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:56, 9 October 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Ethnic Armenian composers

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 * The result of the discussion was: selectively merge to Category:Armenian-language singers. (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 ( d  c̄ ) 02:09, 16 October 2023 (UTC)


 * Propose deleting:
 * ethnic armenian composers
 * category
 * category
 * category
 * category
 * Nominator's rationale: WP:EGRS/I: intersection of ethnicity and occupation (and sometimes gender) is not defining. Edward-Woodrow  •  talk  21:30, 8 October 2023 (UTC)


 * Agree, but selectively merge to Category:Armenian-language singers. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:44, 9 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom, as it is not because you have Armenian ancestors that your music automatically is Armenian music. Indeed, articles for which the subject is commonly and consistently defined as Armenian singer/musician/composer in reliable sources should be merged to the category so named. Place Clichy (talk) 23:11, 9 October 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Writers from the Duchy of Savoy

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge to Category:French writers. (non-admin closure) –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d  c̄ ) 02:09, 16 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Writers from the Duchy of Savoy to Category:Writers from Savoy
 * Nominator's rationale: rename or upmerge, small cat Mason (talk) 20:47, 8 October 2023 (UTC)


 * Merge to Category:French writers, as the single article is about someone who was largely active in France. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:47, 9 October 2023 (UTC)


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Category:People from the Duchy of Savoy
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 * The result of the discussion was: merge to Category:People from Savoy. (non-admin closure) HouseBlastertalk 01:06, 16 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:People from the Duchy of Savoy to Category:People from Savoy
 * Nominator's rationale: overlapping under populated category Mason (talk) 20:45, 8 October 2023 (UTC)


 * Support, redundant category layer with only two subcategories. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:51, 9 October 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Spanish people in the Spanish Philippines
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 * The result of the discussion was: merge to Category:People from the Spanish colonial Philippines. No prejudice against recreation if and when the category can be better populated. (non-admin closure) HouseBlastertalk 01:06, 16 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Spanish people in the Spanish Philippines to Category:People from the Spanish colonial Philippines
 * Nominator's rationale: overlapping cat: People of Spanish colonial Philippines Mason (talk) 20:41, 8 October 2023 (UTC)


 * Merge for now with no prejudice to recreation when it is populated better. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:55, 9 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Merge per nom. Updated target to WP:CFD/S process. –Aidan721 (talk) 20:39, 13 October 2023 (UTC)


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Category:People of the Spanish East Indies
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 * The result of the discussion was: merge to Category:People from the Spanish East Indies. (non-admin closure) HouseBlastertalk 01:05, 16 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:People of the Spanish East Indies to Category:People from the Spanish East Indies
 * Nominator's rationale: duplicate Mason (talk) 20:40, 8 October 2023 (UTC)


 * Merge, clearly a duplicate. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:56, 9 October 2023 (UTC)


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Category:People of the Viceroyalty of New Granada
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 * The result of the discussion was: merge to Category:Viceroyalty of New Granada people. (non-admin closure) HouseBlastertalk 01:05, 16 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:People of the Viceroyalty of New Granada to Category:Viceroyalty of New Granada people
 * Nominator's rationale: duplicate Mason (talk) 20:36, 8 October 2023 (UTC)


 * Merge, clearly a duplicate. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:59, 9 October 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Brewers from the Dutch Republic
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 * The result of the discussion was: merge to Category:Dutch brewers. Because the nominated category contains only one member, whether this is a single or dual merge is a matter of semantics that would be pointless to discuss for another week. I will add Cornelis Boudewijns to both Category:Dutch brewers and Category:Businesspeople from the Dutch Republic, as the article belongs in both categories. (non-admin closure) HouseBlastertalk 01:11, 16 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Brewers from the Dutch Republic to Category:Dutch brewers
 * Nominator's rationale: overlapping underpopulated category where the regime isn't defining Mason (talk) 20:30, 8 October 2023 (UTC)


 * Dual merge, also to Category:Businesspeople from the Dutch Republic. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:01, 9 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Merge per nom. Place Clichy (talk) 23:12, 9 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Merge per nom. –Aidan721 (talk) 20:38, 13 October 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Painters from the Dutch Republic
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 * The result of the discussion was: merge to Category:Dutch painters and Category:People from the Dutch Republic. (non-admin closure) –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d  c̄ ) 14:33, 16 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Painters from the Dutch Republic to Category:Dutch painters
 * Nominator's rationale: overlapping underpopulated category where the regime isn't defining Mason (talk) 20:29, 8 October 2023 (UTC)


 * Dual merge, also to Category:People from the Dutch Republic. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:02, 9 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Merge per nom. About the dual merge, although the Dutch Republic, the Batavian Republic and the Kingdom of Holland are different political regimes that preceded the present-day Netherlands with slightly different borders, they are in essence the same nation, and Dutch applies to all of them. Place Clichy (talk) 23:15, 9 October 2023 (UTC)
 * But businesspeople and painters are a very defining intersection with the Dutch Republic (per Dutch Golden Age). Marcocapelle (talk) 05:54, 10 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Belonging to an artistic movement is notable and defining. In this case, this is reflected by:
 * , a child of <=  <=  <=,
 * and through another chain <=  <=  <=  /  <=  <=.
 * Note that Dutch Golden Age painting is not exclusively associated with the Dutch Republic and is closely related with e.g. Flemish Baroque painting, the Antwerp school and Peter Paul Rubens. Place Clichy (talk) 08:45, 10 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Single merge per Place Clichy. –Aidan721 (talk) 20:38, 13 October 2023 (UTC)


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Category:People of the Dutch East Indies of Chinese descent
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 * The result of the discussion was: merge both categories to Category:People from the Dutch East Indies of Chinese descent. (non-admin closure) HouseBlastertalk 01:04, 16 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:People of the Dutch East Indies of Chinese descent to Category:People from the Dutch East Indies of Chinese descent
 * Propose merging Category:People of Chinese descent in the Dutch East Indies to Category:People from the Dutch East Indies of Chinese descent
 * Nominator's rationale: Overlapping category Mason (talk) 18:39, 8 October 2023 (UTC)


 * Merge, obvious duplicates. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:41, 8 October 2023 (UTC)
 * @User:Marcocapelle, found another one Mason (talk) 18:45, 8 October 2023 (UTC)
 * No way! What a mess. Merge all. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:47, 8 October 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Explorers by ethnicity
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 * The result of the discussion was: merge to Category:Explorers except for Category:Viking explorers. (non-admin closure) –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d  c̄ ) 14:35, 16 October 2023 (UTC)


 * Propose deleting:
 * explorers by ethnicity
 * category
 * basque explorers
 * category
 * category
 * category
 * category
 * category
 * Nominator's rationale: This and all subcategories should be deleted as WP:EGRS/I violations; these intersections are not defining. Edward-Woodrow  •  talk  17:28, 8 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Are we also to delete Category:Viking warriors?
 * Gjs238 (talk) 00:02, 9 October 2023 (UTC)


 * Procedural oppose, this nomination is only meaningful when the subcategories are nominated in conjunction (listed and tagged). Marcocapelle (talk) 18:43, 8 October 2023 (UTC)
 * ✅ 21:24, 8 October 2023 (UTC) Edward-Woodrow  •  talk  21:24, 8 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Thank you. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:07, 9 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Oppose Viking explorers for whom this intersection is very defining, manually merge the remainder to Category:Explorers per WP:OCEGRS. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:07, 9 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep, selectively merge the rest. When I saw Arab explorers I expected to find travelers from the Arab Golden Age such as Ibn Battuta, but I found the likes of Iraqi journalist (1900–1979), which shows how such a category can be wrongly used. Per WP:CATDEF, we primarily define people by their nationality, and ethnicity is only worth mentioning if it has a substantial bearing on both the topic and the individual, according to reliable sources. Taking the example of Ibn Battuta, today both categorized in Berber explorers and Moroccan explorers (as well as 14th-century Berber people and 10 other travel-related categories), his Berber background is not pertinent enough to his career and travels to justify a category, as opposed for instance to his education as a Maliki scholar or his status in Merinid Marocco. The chronological ethnic category and the national occupation category are sufficient to define him. Place Clichy (talk) 09:02, 10 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Selective Merge - I was going to say Keep on the Hawaiian one, til I saw that 2 out of three seem to just be travelers, so some pruning may be in order. I also think that, if we're going to do a mass merge, that Category:Indigenous explorers of the Americas should be created, comparable to Category:Indigenous sailors of the Americas. I would be very surprised if Naukane is the only member. Sacagawea comes immediately to mind, and I have no doubt that there are more. See also:Category:Polynesian explorers of the Pacific. - jc37 10:16, 13 October 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Stock exchanges in Bahrain
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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) HouseBlastertalk 01:03, 16 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting stock exchanges in bahrain
 * Nominator's rationale: Bahrain Bourse (BHB) is the only licensed stock exchange of the Kingdom of Bahrain source. We don't need a category for a single entry. Uhooep (talk) 17:07, 8 October 2023 (UTC)
 * It's bad practice to empty a category prior to CfD. –Aidan721 (talk) 17:11, 8 October 2023 (UTC)
 * I didn't know. I've undone the action. Uhooep (talk) 17:46, 8 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Thank you for reverting that emptying, Uhooep. If this discussion closes as Delete, then the category will be emptied. Liz <sup style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: #006400;">Read! Talk! 17:30, 11 October 2023 (UTC)


 * Delete, not part of a large established tree, only 40 out of 200 countries have a subcategory. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:50, 8 October 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Catholic preparatory schools in the United States by state
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 * The result of the discussion was: merge. Note that the nominated categories were both moved per WP:C2 during the discussion (from "foo by state" to "foo by state or territory"). (non-admin closure) HouseBlastertalk 20:04, 15 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Catholic preparatory schools in the United States by state to Category:Catholic preparatory schools in the United States
 * Propose merging Category:Catholic K–8 schools in the United States by state to Category:Catholic K–8 schools in the United States
 * Nominator's rationale: Unnecessary layer. –Aidan721 (talk) 14:28, 8 October 2023 (UTC)


 * Merge per nom, only one subcategory in each. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:52, 8 October 2023 (UTC)


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FOOians from the Kingdom of Serbia
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 * The result of the discussion was: merge as proposed as well as to Category:People from the Kingdom of Serbia. (non-admin closure) –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d  c̄ ) 14:37, 16 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Architects from the Kingdom of Serbia to Category:Serbian architects
 * Propose merging Category:Artists from the Kingdom of Serbia to Category:Serbian artists
 * Propose merging Category:Aviators from the Kingdom of Serbia to Category:Serbian aviators
 * Propose merging Category:Musicians from the Kingdom of Serbia to Category:Serbian musicians
 * Propose merging Category:Painters from the Kingdom of Serbia to Category:Serbian painters
 * Propose merging Category:Poets from the Kingdom of Serbia to Category:Serbian poets
 * Propose merging Category:Sportspeople from the Kingdom of Serbia to Category:Serbian sportspeople
 * Propose merging Category:Writers from the Kingdom of Serbia to Category:Serbian writers
 * Nominator's rationale: overlapping, underpopulated, category where the intersection with the political regime isn't defining Mason (talk) 14:12, 8 October 2023 (UTC)


 * Dual merge, also to Category:Kingdom of Serbia people. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:09, 9 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Might as well make that Category:People from the Kingdom of Serbia to avoid a double move. – Fayenatic  L ondon 09:47, 9 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Yes, absolutely. Marcocapelle (talk) 11:09, 9 October 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Government in Bangsamoro
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 * The result of the discussion was: rename to Category:Government of Bangsamoro. (non-admin closure) HouseBlastertalk 17:58, 16 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Government in Bangsamoro to Category:Government of Bangsamoro
 * Nominator's rationale: Bangsamoro, unlike every other region in the Philippines, has its own government. HueMan1 (talk) 11:35, 8 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Rename per nom. –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d c̄ ) 14:37, 16 October 2023 (UTC)


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Category:People from the Ottoman Empire of Albanian descent
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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) HouseBlastertalk 20:01, 15 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting people from the ottoman empire of albanian descent
 * Nominator's rationale: delete, Albania was part of the Ottoman Empire so a separate descent category is not very meaningful in this case. "Albanian" is not defining for the one article in the category. Marcocapelle (talk) 11:24, 8 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Support, but I do wonder if creating a redirect to People of Albanian descent OR Albanian people from the Ottoman Empire, might be helpful in discouraging the page's recreation Mason (talk) 14:22, 8 October 2023 (UTC)


 * Delete. Articles whose subject is defined as Albanian are found at, but this is not the case for the lone article Enver Pasha. Place Clichy (talk) 23:20, 9 October 2023 (UTC)


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