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Onychophoran orders and superfamilies

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 * The result of the discussion was: procedural close, the categories have already been deleted. (non-admin closure) Marcocapelle (talk) 07:42, 30 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting Category:Onychophoran orders
 * Propose deleting Category:Onychophoran superfamilies
 * Nominator's rationale: WP:OVERCAT. The former category contains two articles, and the latter contains one, with no prospect of additional articles being added to either in the foreseeable future. I created these categories with an overly narrow understanding of what constitutes overcategorisation; an error pointed out by @Monster Iestyn. Ypna (talk) 20:13, 26 September 2023 (UTC)


 * in this case it is quicker to tag these pages with . Marcocapelle (talk) 04:54, 27 September 2023 (UTC)


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Establishments in Ethiopia

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge and rename. (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 ( d  c̄ ) 00:04, 4 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:1880s establishments in the Ethiopian Empire to Category:1880s establishments in Ethiopia
 * Propose renaming Category:1886 establishments in the Ethiopian Empire to Category:1886 establishments in Ethiopia
 * Nominator's rationale: merge/rename, for consistency, all siblings use "Ethiopia", there are just these few categories with the deviant "Ethiopian Empire" format. Thanks to User:Liz for detecting this. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:52, 26 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Support. I agree that consistency is beneficial here Mason (talk) 01:30, 27 September 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Closed amusement parks

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 ( d  c̄ ) 00:05, 4 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Closed amusement parks to Category:Defunct amusement parks
 * Nominator's rationale: Category seems to be redundant; Defunct amusements parks is older and has established trees. ForsythiaJo (talk) 17:00, 26 September 2023 (UTC)


 * Just delete, merging is not needed because the articles are already deeper down in the tree of Category:Defunct amusement parks. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:47, 27 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Petscan showed two that are not in the target hierarchy: Italia Mura and Hồ Thủy Tiên. I have remedied those two. Please run the Petscan again before deleting. – Fayenatic  L ondon 11:26, 29 September 2023 (UTC)
 * I think this would require template changes to Infobox amusement park/status. or  may be willing to help. – Fayenatic  L ondon 11:31, 29 September 2023 (UTC)


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Military catering
Relisted, see Categories for discussion/Log/2023 October 4%23Military catering

Years in Japan
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 * The result of the discussion was: merge. (non-admin closure) –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d  c̄ ) 00:08, 4 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:1361 in Japan to Category:1361 in Asia and Category:1360s in Japan
 * Propose merging Category:1362 in Japan to Category:1362 in Asia and Category:1360s in Japan
 * Propose merging Category:1389 in Japan to Category:1389 in Asia and Category:1380s in Japan
 * Propose merging Category:1390 in Japan to Category:1390 in Asia and Category:1390s in Japan
 * Propose merging Category:1466 in Japan to Category:1466 in Asia and Category:1460s in Japan
 * Propose merging Category:1467 in Japan to Category:1467 in Asia and Category:1460s in Japan
 * Nominator's rationale: All nominated categories have only 1 article. See the precedent set at Categories for discussion/Log/2018 February 9 where the consensus was to merge all categories before 1500. –Aidan721 (talk) 15:30, 26 September 2023 (UTC)


 * Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 15:45, 26 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Oppose per nom. There is no reason to set 1500 as a historical boundary for year categories. Dimadick (talk) 19:03, 26 September 2023 (UTC)
 * pinging participants of previous discussion. –Aidan721 (talk) 19:16, 26 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Merge per nom, WP:OCYEAR and WP:NARROWCAT. Brandmeistertalk  19:17, 26 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Merge per nom. ··· 日本穣 ·  投稿  · Talk to Nihonjoe ·  Join WP Japan ! 20:16, 26 September 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Albany Harbour harbourmasters
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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. Nothing to do, in fact, since the category was emptied and nobody has objected. (non-admin closure) –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d  c̄ ) 00:12, 4 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Albany Harbour harbourmasters to Category:Harbourmasters
 * Nominator's rationale: Rename and repurpose, as it currently only holds one article. If renamed, add Category:Fremantle Harbour harbourmasters. I am open to broader suggestions that could also emcompass Category:Harbour engineers, but "Harbourmasters" would probably be a useful level. – Fayenatic  L ondon 14:12, 26 September 2023 (UTC)


 * Rename per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 15:50, 26 September 2023 (UTC)
 *  nah  just delete as an empty category - the likelihood of the other albany harbourmastersemerging from editing by recent patterns is thin - as the Australian maritime history project didnt have port personnel anywhere - I have created the australian harbourmasters category - many of them are identified in titles of articles - but not a mention of the maritime history as a category or as a project tag... that is fairly usual... JarrahTree 09:31, 27 September 2023 (UTC)
 * OK, that's fine. There's no point retaining the page history, so just delete now. Thanks for populating with a few more bios. Unless you have any more to go in, though, I suggest moving Stanich up to Category:Harbourmasters. – Fayenatic  L ondon 21:13, 28 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Comment Category has been emptied. Liz <sup style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: #006400;">Read! Talk! 01:08, 30 September 2023 (UTC)


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Category:People in environment
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 * The result of the discussion was: rename. Only dispute was about inclusion of a specific subcategory, which does not need to be resolved at CfD. (non-admin closure) –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d  c̄ ) 00:15, 4 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:People in environment to Category:People in environmental occupations
 * Nominator's rationale: Clearer name. – Fayenatic  L ondon 14:04, 26 September 2023 (UTC)


 * SubCategory:Sustainability advocates may not fit the proposed target, other than that I have no issues with it. Marcocapelle (talk) 15:52, 26 September 2023 (UTC)
 * I have no problem with that one staying within the new name. – Fayenatic  L ondon 21:14, 28 September 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Science occupations
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 * The result of the discussion was: split/purge. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  16:21, 16 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose splitting Category:Science occupations to Category:Science occupations and Category:People in science
 * Propose splitting Category:Mathematical science occupations to Category:Mathematical science occupations and Category:People in mathematical science
 * Propose purging other bio sub-cats from Category:Mathematical science occupations to Category:Mathematicians
 * Nominator's rationale: Split to separate biography categories from articles about occupations. I have brought this for a full discussion rather than just doing it, as other editors may well be able to improve on the proposal. E.g. perhaps the first new category should rather be Category:People in science occupations, corresponding to some others in category:People by occupation; or perhaps the second should be Category:People in mathematics. – Fayenatic  L ondon 13:54, 26 September 2023 (UTC)


 * Support in principle, it makes perfect sense to separate biography subcats from topic articles. I wonder if we really need Category:People in science and Category:People in mathematics, perhaps Category:Scientists and Category:Mathematicians suffice (with a little bit of purging). Marcocapelle (talk) 16:20, 26 September 2023 (UTC)
 * You are right about Mathematicians, as both the other bio sub-cats are also within Mathematicians already. But for science, I think it is worth having People in science over, , , , and . – Fayenatic  L ondon 21:50, 28 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Support per nom, considering Fayenatic london's reasoning for having an overarching parent for different roles in science and in mathematics. –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d c̄ ) 00:16, 4 October 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Jews by occupation
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 * The result of the discussion was: keep. There is agreement that although most subcategories probably fail WP:EGRS, not all of them do. (non-admin closure) –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d  c̄ ) 00:09, 4 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting jews by occupation
 * Nominator's rationale: WP:EGRS/I violation. The intersection of religion and occupation is not defining. In fact, that guideline explicitly states: Being Jewish is not relevant to being, say, an astronomer.
 * Furthermore: This category and all its subcategories (save a very few relavent intersections, like ) should be deleted.  Edward-Woodrow  •  talk  12:15, 26 September 2023 (UTC)


 * Keep. This follows the request to delete other Jewish categories yesterday – see each of Categories for discussion/Log/2023 September 25; Categories for discussion/Log/2023 September 25; Categories for discussion/Log/2023 September 25; and Categories for discussion/Log/2023 September 25. The arguments raised in those discussions apply here too.
 * Again, the key point is that Jews are ethnoreligious and, as such, a Jewish person cannot be classified as religious in the same sense as an Anglican or a Roman Catholic. Further, while you are using WP:EGRS/I to justify your case, you have not mentioned WP:EGRS/E which considers ethnicity and says: Ethnic groups are commonly used when categorising people; however, race is not. It goes on to give as an example: We do have Category:Jewish musicians, but we should not have Category:Semitic musicians. That is because Jews are an ethnic group but Semites are a race which includes Arabs as well as Jews. PearlyGigs (talk) 15:28, 26 September 2023 (UTC)


 * Keep for now, some occupations are trivial intersections, others may not, so it is too early to decide if we need a parent category or not. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:23, 26 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep This seems to be at odds with long-standing practice in that regard, specifically Category:People by ethnicity and occupation (whose part is Category:Jews by occupation) and Category:People by occupation and ethnicity, which also has Jewish subcategories. If anything, this should probably be discussed at Wikipedia talk:Categorizing articles about people first. Brandmeistertalk  17:39, 26 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep. @PearlyGigs brings up a good point Mason (talk) 01:32, 27 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep but purge. There are some occupations for which Jewishness, or a specific Jewish group, is defining and the category eligible under WP:OCEGRS, so deleting the entire tree is not in order. Unfortunately, there are also many (many many) such categories which are trivial (Category:Jewish presidents is my all-time personal favourite) and just stay there because it just seems that the pace at which they are created is higher than the pace at which they are deleted. A good flush would be helpful. Place Clichy (talk) 15:53, 1 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep. This seems like a solid subcategory of Category:People by ethnicity and occupation and Category:People by occupation and ethnicity. Jewishness is an ethnicity, not solely a religion, and thus it fits in this scheme.--Mike Selinker (talk) 17:15, 2 October 2023 (UTC)


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Romance words and phrases
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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d  c̄ ) 00:10, 4 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting romance words and phrases
 * Propose deleting romance names
 * Nominator's rationale: These categories may have been intended as a counterpart to the better-populated Category:Slavic words and phrases, but are currently not useful for navigation, as they only contain, which can be reached via other parents. – Fayenatic  L ondon 12:02, 26 September 2023 (UTC)


 * One week after creating these, the categories' creator was put under an indefinite topic ban from the subject of names, broadly construed. The timing means that these are not quite eligible for speedy deletion under WP:G5. – Fayenatic  L ondon 12:36, 26 September 2023 (UTC)
 * They could serve as a container category with subcats Category:Italian words and phrases etc. But I am not convinced that this is really needed. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:28, 26 September 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Moksha-aligned dharmas
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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d  c̄ ) 00:10, 4 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting moksha-aligned dharmas
 * Nominator's rationale: Not defining and somewhat arbitrary. ―Justin ( koavf ) ❤T☮C☺M☯ 08:22, 26 September 2023 (UTC)


 * Delete per WP:NONDEF. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:32, 26 September 2023 (UTC)


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