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Category:Fictional people by ethnic or national descent

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge as described in 's alt proposal. (non-admin closure) HouseBlastertalk 16:58, 16 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting fictional people by ethnic or national descent
 * Nominator's rationale: This entire category tree is a mess Mason (talk) 22:09, 29 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Added subcats
 * Propose deleting fictional pakistani diaspora
 * Propose deleting fictional chinese diaspora
 * Propose deleting fictional arab diaspora
 * Propose deleting fictional indian diaspora
 * Propose deleting fictional japanese diaspora
 * Propose deleting fictional german diaspora
 * Propose deleting fictional american diaspora
 * Nominator's rationale: violates WP:OR Mason (talk) 23:37, 29 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Oppose, do you have any other suggestions for where to place these subcategories contained by this category? AHI-3000 (talk) 22:26, 29 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Honestly, I think that the entire category tree is overcategorization. I would strongly encourage you to slow down and engage with the people posting warnings about your category changes. I recommend that you review the rules and norms for categories before creating so many catcategory. Mason (talk) 23:44, 29 September 2023 (UTC)


 * Delete - and please also nominate the "Fictional X dispora" cats too. There's far too much here that looks like WP:OR. - jc37 23:28, 29 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Comment, there is a bigger tree involved here: Category:Fictional people by ethnic or national origin. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:25, 30 September 2023 (UTC)
 * That's an interesting point - What's the difference between "national descent" and "national origin"? Does WP:OVERLAPCAT (at least) come into play here? Looks like another reason to delete. - jc37 07:23, 30 September 2023 (UTC)
 * That's not really clear from the name itself (as in the tree for 'real' people), but it looks more obvious from the content: on one side, you have categories sorted by the place where characters do live (e.g. will have characters in Italy from various backgrounds) whereas on the other side, you have categories sorted by backgrounds shared by characters in several places (e.g.  has characters of Indian background all over the world). It's a copycat from a longstanding (and long problematic) structure for non-fictional characters (/). I am not really convinced that this double structure is as necessary as in the other tree though, seen the amount of content. Place Clichy (talk) 08:52, 30 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Alt merge to Category:Fictional people by ethnic or national origin and its subcategories. Fictional characters are in fact defined by ethnic stereotypes a lot more than real people. In principle such categories are therefore useful, i.e. what you find one layer below the nominated set of categories, such as . However, seen the amount of content, it does not appear useful to spread these useful categories in a too complicated way, in an apparent attempt to mirror the bogus category hierarchy for non-fiction characters. In practice, that's the way these categories work today, e.g. will both have subcategories for diaspora characters  and of other various backgrounds associated with Italy . In practice, this alt proposal come down to:
 * Propose merging to Category:Fictional people by ethnic or national origin
 * Propose merging to
 * Propose merging to
 * Propose merging to
 * Propose merging to
 * Propose merging to
 * Propose merging to
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 * Place Clichy (talk) 08:52, 30 September 2023 (UTC)
 * support. I'd support this alternative. And, I'd also like to thank @Place Clichy for all their thoughtful work in on this (and other categories)! Mason (talk) 13:54, 30 September 2023 (UTC)
 * BTW you repeated Chinese four extra times by mistake. AHI-3000 (talk) 23:05, 30 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Correct. Fixed. Place Clichy (talk) 08:52, 1 October 2023 (UTC)


 * Merge as per Place Clichy. –LaundryPizza03 ( d c̄ ) 14:04, 1 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Merge per Place Clichy. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:59, 13 October 2023 (UTC)


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Category:LGBT gods
Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2023 October 16%23Category:LGBT gods

Category:People by ethnicity or nationality
Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2023 October 7%23Category:People by ethnicity or nationality

Category:Bird sanctuaries of Rajasthan

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 * The result of the discussion was: deleting. (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 ( d  c̄ ) 01:28, 7 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting bird sanctuaries of rajasthan
 * Nominator's rationale: WP:NARROWCAT, unnecessary overcategorization. Edward-Woodrow  •  talk  21:30, 29 September 2023 (UTC)


 * Delete, it is not specifically for birds. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:45, 30 September 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Military leaders from the Tsardom of Russia

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge. (non-admin closure) –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d  c̄ ) 01:28, 7 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Military leaders from the Tsardom of Russia to Category:Military personnel of the Tsardom of Russia
 * Nominator's rationale: overlapping category Mason (talk) 21:24, 29 September 2023 (UTC)


 * Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:46, 30 September 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Emigrants from the Kingdom of Scotland to the Kingdom of Ireland
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 * The result of the discussion was: merge. (non-admin closure) –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d  c̄ ) 01:28, 7 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Emigrants from the Kingdom of Scotland to the Kingdom of Ireland to Category:Scottish emigrants to Ireland
 * Nominator's rationale: Overlapping category Mason (talk) 21:23, 29 September 2023 (UTC)


 * Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:48, 30 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Merge per nom. -- Necrothesp (talk) 13:44, 3 October 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Mahavishnu temples in Kerala
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 * The result of the discussion was: rename. (non-admin closure) –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d  c̄ ) 01:28, 7 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Mahavishnu temples in Kerala to Category:Vishnu temples in Kerala
 * Nominator's rationale: There are all temples of Vishnu. "Maha" is a honorific here. Redtigerxyz  Talk 17:46, 29 September 2023 (UTC)


 * Rename, nom is correct that these are temples of Vishnu. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:40, 29 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Rename. per nom Mason (talk) 00:24, 30 September 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Murugan temples
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 * The result of the discussion was: merge to Category:Kartikeya temples. (non-admin closure) –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d  c̄ ) 01:29, 7 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Murugan temples to Category:Kartikeya temples
 * Nominator's rationale: In line with main article Kartikeya. Same deity temples. Redtigerxyz  Talk 17:44, 29 September 2023 (UTC)


 * Many articles in this category refer to Murugan (including some titles). Shouldn't article Kartikeya be renamed to Murugan? Marcocapelle (talk) 20:44, 29 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Marcocapelle, "Kartikeya" is the pan-Indian name of the deity; while Murugan is his Tamil name. Kartikeya-Murugan is most popular with Tamil people; whose temples have the name "Murugan" in it. We have should have consistent naming of categories, extending WP:TITLECON.-- Redtigerxyz Talk 03:53, 30 September 2023 (UTC)


 * Merge or reverse merge, they belong together anyway. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:13, 30 September 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Xion Dukes Klosterneuburg players
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 * The result of the discussion was: merge to Category:Klosterneuburg Dukes players. (non-admin closure) –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d  c̄ ) 01:37, 7 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Xion Dukes Klosterneuburg players to Category:Klosterneuburg Dukes players
 * Nominator's rationale: 寒吉 (talk) 15:58, 29 September 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Wushu practitioners in India
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 * The result of the discussion was: merge. (non-admin closure) –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d  c̄ ) 01:29, 7 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Wushu practitioners in India to Category:Indian wushu practitioners
 * Nominator's rationale: Duplicate categories. The new category has a copycat description of the old one, which better fits the format of its siblings; its creator is now blocked. Place Clichy (talk) 15:37, 29 September 2023 (UTC)


 * Merge, this is duplicate indeed. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:31, 29 September 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Serer diplomats
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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d  c̄ ) 01:30, 7 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting serer diplomats
 * Nominator's rationale: Looking at this category, I would have expected to find officials of precolonial states of the Serer people such as the Kingdom of Sine. However, the category instead contains two articles about diplomats who represented Senegal in international organisations (Jacques Diouf and Cheikh Tidiane Gadio). Serer ethnicity is not even mentioned in article body, so WP:OCEGRS clearly applies. The articles are already present in, so nothing to merge. Place Clichy (talk) 14:25, 29 September 2023 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:32, 29 September 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Foreign Ministers of Tokelau
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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d  c̄ ) 01:30, 7 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting foreign ministers of tokelau
 * Propose deleting tokelauan diplomats
 * Nominator's rationale: OVERLAPCAT. Tokelau does not have a foreign policy, as a dependent territory of New Zealand. The position of foreign minister is taken ex officio by the head of government (together with justice and other portfolios), see Council for the Ongoing Government of Tokelau. The lone article is already in and, no need to merge. The second category would find itself empty. Place Clichy (talk) 13:45, 29 September 2023 (UTC)


 * Delete, not a defining characteristic in this case. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:55, 29 September 2023 (UTC)


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Category:People's Republic of China people
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 * The result of the discussion was: merge and split. (non-admin closure) –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d  c̄ ) 01:34, 7 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:People's Republic of China people to Category:Chinese people
 * Nominator's rationale: This seems like an overlapping intersection with 20th/21st century categories Mason (talk) 13:28, 29 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Adding subcategories
 * Propose splitting Category:People's Republic of China LGBT people to Category:20th-century Chinese LGBT people and Category:21st-century Chinese LGBT people
 * Propose merging Category:People's Republic of China people by occupation to Category:Chinese people by occupation
 * Propose splitting Category:People's Republic of China composers to Category:21st-century Chinese composers and Category:20th-century Chinese composers
 * Propose splitting Category:People's Republic of China musicians to Category:21st-century Chinese musicians and Category:20th-century Chinese musicians
 * Propose splitting Category:People's Republic of China economists to Category:21st-century Chinese economists and Category:20th-century Chinese economists
 * Propose splitting Category:People's Republic of China calligraphers to Category:21st-century Chinese calligraphers and Category:20th-century Chinese calligraphers
 * Propose merging Category:Republic of China painters to Category:20th-century Chinese painters
 * Propose splitting Category:People's Republic of China landscape painters to Category:21st-century Chinese landscape painters and Category:20th-century Chinese landscape painters
 * Propose splitting Category:People's Republic of China painters to Category:21st-century Chinese painters and Category:20th-century Chinese painters
 * Propose merging Category:Republic of China calligraphers to Category:20th-century Chinese calligraphers
 * Nominator's rationale: allows for the child categories to be merged properly Mason (talk) 18:50, 29 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Adding more subcategories
 * Propose merging Category:Republic of China science writers to Category:20th-century Chinese science writers
 * Propose merging Category:Republic of China short story writers to Category:20th-century Chinese short story writers
 * Propose merging Category:Republic of China translators to Category:20th-century Chinese translators
 * Propose merging Category:Republic of China historians to Category:20th-century Chinese historians
 * Propose merging Category:Republic of China poets to Category:20th-century Chinese poets
 * Propose merging Category:Republic of China novelists to Category:20th-century Chinese novelists
 * Propose merging Category:Republic of China essayists to Category:20th-century Chinese essayists
 * Propose merging Category:Republic of China writers to Category:20th-century Chinese writers
 * Propose merging Category:Republic of China philosophers to Category:20th-century Chinese philosophers
 * Propose merging Category:Republic of China singers to Category:20th-century Chinese singers
 * Propose merging Category:Republic of China musicians to Category:20th-century Chinese musicians
 * Propose merging Category:Republic of China economists to Category:20th-century Chinese economists
 * Propose splitting Category:People's Republic of China philosophers to Category:20th-century Chinese philosophers and Category:21st-century Chinese philosophers
 * Propose splitting Category:People's Republic of China science writers to Category:20th-century Chinese science writers and Category:21st-century Chinese science writers
 * Propose splitting Category:People's Republic of China short story writers to Category:21st-century Chinese short story writers and Category:20th-century Chinese short story writers
 * Propose splitting Category:People's Republic of China translators to Category:20th-century Chinese translators and Category:21st-century Chinese translators
 * Propose splitting Category:People's Republic of China poets to Category:21st-century Chinese poets and Category:20th-century Chinese poets
 * Propose splitting Category:People's Republic of China historians to Category:20th-century Chinese historians and Category:21st-century Chinese historians
 * Propose splitting Category:People's Republic of China novelists to Category:21st-century Chinese novelists and Category:20th-century Chinese novelists
 * Propose splitting Category:People's Republic of China essayists to Category:21st-century Chinese essayists and Category:20th-century Chinese essayists
 * Propose splitting Category:People's Republic of China writers to Category:21st-century Chinese writers and Category:20th-century Chinese writers
 * Nominator's rationale: Found another budle. My general approach is to split PRC into 21st and 20th, and merge 20th century for RoC. I'm intentionally avoiding journalists, military, and politicians, as I think that those intersections are meaningful. Mason (talk) 20:59, 29 September 2023 (UTC)


 * Merge. Where does this spike of splitting national categories along with regime changes come from? It is still China, before 1912, after 1949 and in-between. Place Clichy (talk) 13:55, 29 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Procedural oppose, just lumping the subcategories to Category:Chinese people would merely create a mess. This needs some thought about the subcategories first. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:58, 29 September 2023 (UTC)
 * That's a good point. Let me dig into the child categories and see how to do this thoughtfully. Mason (talk) 18:48, 29 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Striking my oppose after this has been taken care of. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:49, 29 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep. not all Chinese people are from the People's Republic of China. Therefore the categories are distinct and do not merge. —Jonathan Bowen (talk) 19:05, 29 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Do you still feeling this what now that I'm making it clearer where the child overlapping categories are? I'm not saying that Chinese people are all from the PRC, but the current category only has child categories and is (for many occupations) not a salient feature. Mason (talk) 19:11, 29 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Nobody argues to move the content of Chinese categories to PRC categories, but the other way around. Place Clichy (talk) 08:59, 30 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Support split, the current categories are trivial intersections of non-political occupations with political eras. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:49, 29 September 2023 (UTC)
 * I'm confused. I thought that PROC = China; and RoC = Taiwan. Did something change? - jc37 23:46, 30 September 2023 (UTC)
 * My understanding is that the RoC categories refers to Republic of China (1912-1949), and the Taiwanese people categories are used for RoC post 1949. (If I'm misunderstanding, I'm happy to amend the split for RoC to also into 21st-century). Mason (talk) 00:50, 1 October 2023 (UTC)
 * I'm no expert, but when I click on Republic of China, it redirects to Taiwan.
 * That aside, for other categories where dates are involved, aren't the dates used as a parenthetical dab? - jc37 07:04, 1 October 2023 (UTC)
 * The Republic of China categories only contain people who were (also) active in the first half of the 20th century. I think it is odd that Republic of China redirects to Taiwan. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:16, 1 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Well, I found Category_names. Which apparently indicates that we're talking about WP:COMMONNAME. And also links to Naming conventions (Chinese). But that subsection was apparently under discussion and heavily edited back in 2012, with the section moved to Naming conventions (Chinese)/Taiwan, in this edit.
 * As of right now, Republic of China is the official name of Taiwan. And on Wikipedia, we've apparently had consensus determine that Taiwan is the commonname for the ROC. See also: Political status of Taiwan. And noting that Taiwan is listed on List of controversial issues and Category:Wikipedia controversial topics
 * So with all that in mind, categorising pre-1949 China as the ROC would seem to be very problematic, without some sort of dab phrase/parenthetical. - jc37 01:15, 4 October 2023 (UTC)
 * The issue becomes moot when we are splitting the pre-1949 ROC categories, as nominated. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:59, 4 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Just for example, post-1949 is still part of the 20th century. To "moot" this, maybe we need to not categorise these by century. - jc37 21:06, 4 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Support all per nom. Ridiculous overcategorisation. But make sure none of those in the Republic of China categories are actually Taiwanese. -- Necrothesp (talk) 13:47, 3 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Yes. If this goes through, it would need to be a selective merge to prevent Taiwan-related articles from being mis-categorised. - jc37 21:06, 4 October 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Emigrants from the Republic of China (1912–1949)
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 * The result of the discussion was: delete and merge. (non-admin closure) –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d  c̄ ) 01:31, 7 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting emigrants from the republic of china (1912–1949)
 * Propose merging Category:Republic of China (1912–1949) emigrants to the United States to Category:Chinese emigrants to the United States
 * Nominator's rationale: Non-defining for emmigrants; overlapping category. distinction isn't defining for the emigration country Mason (talk) 13:25, 29 September 2023 (UTC)


 * Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:50, 29 September 2023 (UTC)
 * is that !vote for the second proposal alone? Grutness... wha?   23:22, 1 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Right, and delete the first (which will become empty anyway, after the second is merged as indicated). Marcocapelle (talk) 06:12, 3 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Merge per nom. -- Necrothesp (talk) 13:48, 3 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Support merging Category:Republic of China (1912–1949) emigrants to the United States to Category:Chinese emigrants to the United States and deleting emigrants from the republic of china (1912–1949). --Kpratter (talk) 13:07, 4 October 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Male serial killers
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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d  c̄ ) 01:31, 7 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Male serial killers to Category:Serial killers
 * Nominator's rationale: The majority of serial killers are men, so this category is redundant. DIscussed at Categories for discussion/Log/2023 September 17, pinging contributors there: @ClydeFranklin, @Grutness, @Marcocapelle, @Panamitsu, @Smasongarrison. Qwerfjkl  talk  13:23, 29 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Support as long as we keep the female version as a non-disfussing category Mason (talk) 13:29, 29 September 2023 (UTC)


 * Merge per nom. WP:CATGENDER gives a clear guideline in this case. Place Clichy (talk) 13:53, 29 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Just delete, the articles are already in Category:Serial killers by nationality and other subcats. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:29, 29 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Merge/Delete per Place Clichy, Marcocapelle, et al. - jc37 23:28, 29 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Merge per nom. Grutness... wha?   00:22, 30 September 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Kingdom of Scotland emigrants to the Thirteen Colonies
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 * The result of the discussion was: merge. (non-admin closure) –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d  c̄ ) 01:32, 7 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Kingdom of Scotland emigrants to the Thirteen Colonies to Category:Scottish emigrants to the Thirteen Colonies
 * Nominator's rationale: Considerable overlap, without any clear defining feature for emigration Mason (talk) 13:08, 29 September 2023 (UTC)


 * Merge. Clearly an overlap. The concise title should prevail. Besides I don't really see how Stuart kings changing their title from Kings of England and Scotland to Kings of Great Britain makes any change that's relevant to emigrants. Place Clichy (talk) 13:52, 29 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:52, 29 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Merge per nom. -- Necrothesp (talk) 13:48, 3 October 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Immigrants to Nova Scotia
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 * The result of the discussion was: merge. (non-admin closure) –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d  c̄ ) 01:32, 7 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Immigrants to Nova Scotia to Category:Immigrants to pre-Confederation Nova Scotia
 * Propose merging Category:Emigrants from the Kingdom of Scotland to Nova Scotia to Category:Scottish emigrants to pre-Confederation Nova Scotia
 * Nominator's rationale: overlapping cat Mason (talk) 13:01, 29 September 2023 (UTC)


 * Merge per nom. Classic overlap. Place Clichy (talk) 13:49, 29 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Merge, trivial intersection between emigration and political status of home country. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:55, 29 September 2023 (UTC)


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Ambassadors of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland
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 * The result of the discussion was: merge and delete. (non-admin closure) –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d  c̄ ) 01:32, 7 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Ambassadors of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland to Spain to Category:Ambassadors of the United Kingdom to Spain
 * Propose deleting Category:Ambassadors of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland
 * Propose merging Category:Ambassadors of Spain to the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland to Category:Ambassadors of Spain to the United Kingdom
 * Propose deleting Category:Ambassadors to the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland
 * Nominator's rationale: These are the only categories of ambassadors, or any other topic BTW, that treat differently the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland from other UK categories. That was the name of the country before adding Northern in 1927. I guess that this never took up the way the creator intended to. Place Clichy (talk) 12:49, 29 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Support. per nom Mason (talk) 13:03, 29 September 2023 (UTC)


 * Merge for now without prejudice to a better populated tree in a later stage. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:57, 29 September 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Civil servants from the Ottoman Empire
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Category:Boran
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Category:Burial sites of the House of Mecklenburg
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 * The result of the discussion was: merge three, but keep Category:Burial sites of the House of Bourbon (France). (non-admin closure) HouseBlastertalk 17:05, 16 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Burial sites of the House of Mecklenburg to Category:Burial sites of German noble families
 * Propose merging Category:Burial sites of the House of Solms to Category:Burial sites of German noble families
 * Propose merging Category:Burial sites of the House of Bourbon (France) to Category:Burial sites of French noble families
 * Propose merging Category:Burial sites of the House of Wied to Category:Burial sites of noble families of the Holy Roman Empire
 * Nominator's rationale: merge, redundant category layer with only one subcategory each. Marcocapelle (talk) 10:07, 17 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Oppose for the Bourbons. That there is only one subcategory there seems to be a mistake, not every member of the house of Bourbon is a member of the House of Orleans. That category should be populated with the burial places of Bourbons who are not Orleaneans. Jahaza (talk) 19:05, 17 September 2023 (UTC)

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 * Keep Category:Burial sites of the House of Bourbon (France). I moved 4 articles that were in parent Category:Burial sites of the House of Bourbon but that exclusively apply to the French branch of the dynasty, and also added a few. A number of sites are in large part known primarily due to being necropolises for this family, such as the Kostanjevica Monastery, so I would say that this category is defining enough to be kept. Place Clichy (talk) 12:47, 18 September 2023 (UTC)
 * I am withdrawing Category:Burial sites of the House of Bourbon (France). Marcocapelle (talk) 07:13, 19 September 2023 (UTC)
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 * Support the updated nomination, with no prejudice for a later re-creation if more content emerges. Upmerge all three categories, a welcome simplification. Place Clichy (talk) 13:03, 7 October 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Wattpad writers
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Category:Brock Badgers ice hockey players
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 * The result of the discussion was: rename to Category:Brock Badgers men's ice hockey players. (non-admin closure) HouseBlastertalk 18:15, 7 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Brock Badgers ice hockey players to Category:Brock Badgers men's ice hockey players
 * Nominator's rationale: To reflect the content of the category. User:Namiba 16:37, 17 September 2023 (UTC)
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 * Support. seems reasonable, assuming that other ice hockey teams do this as well. Mason (talk) 13:10, 29 September 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Religious leaders of ancient Rome
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 * The result of the discussion was: keep. (non-admin closure) HouseBlastertalk 00:14, 13 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose splitting Category:Religious leaders of ancient Rome to Category:Ancient Roman religious leaders and Category:Religious leaders in ancient Rome
 * Nominator's rationale: Some of these should be children of Category: Religious leaders by country and others in Category: Religious leaders by nationality Mason (talk) 17:50, 17 September 2023 (UTC)

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 * Oppose, splitting between country and nationality is usually undesirable and even more so in a period when the concept of nationality did not even exist. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:33, 18 September 2023 (UTC)
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Oppose it would be very difficult to divide the individual entries up this way — Preceding unsigned comment added by Furius (talk • contribs) 22:15, 8 October 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Latin historians
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Category:Tristanian medical doctors
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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d  c̄ ) 01:39, 7 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting tristanian medical doctors
 * Nominator's rationale: The sole member Hilary Jones (doctor) only spent one year there. No doubt the experience was memorable, but probably not WP:DEFINING. – Fayenatic  L ondon 12:11, 29 September 2023 (UTC)
 * support. per nom Mason (talk) 12:47, 29 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. Place Clichy (talk) 12:49, 29 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete. It had been my hope to expand this category and provide more coverage for South Atlantic articles but had an issue with sourcing and time. Also their categories are terrible. Replaced with most appropriate available. UaMaol (talk) 14:08, 30 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Comment Category has been emptied. Liz <sup style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: #006400;">Read! Talk! 01:24, 2 October 2023 (UTC)


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Category:English diplomats
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Category:Provençal language
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 * The result of the discussion was: rename. (non-admin closure) –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d  c̄ ) 01:40, 7 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Provençal language to Category:Provençal dialect
 * Nominator's rationale: rename per article name Provençal dialect. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:39, 29 September 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Gascon language
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 * The result of the discussion was: rename. (non-admin closure) –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d  c̄ ) 01:40, 7 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Gascon language to Category:Gascon dialect
 * Nominator's rationale: rename per article name Gascon dialect. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:38, 29 September 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Canadian people by century and religion
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 * The result of the discussion was: merge. (non-admin closure) –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d  c̄ ) 01:41, 7 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Canadian people by century and religion to Category:Canadian people by religion
 * Nominator's rationale: single cat Mason (talk) 03:42, 29 September 2023 (UTC)


 * Merge for now, it is odd that this exists for 20th century only, for historical purposes it is more meaningful to create older century categories. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:12, 29 September 2023 (UTC)


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Category:People from the Japanese colonial empire
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 * The result of the discussion was: merge. Category was already emptied without objection. (non-admin closure) –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d  c̄ ) 01:42, 7 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:People from the Japanese colonial empire to Category:People from the Empire of Japan
 * Nominator's rationale: overlapping cat Mason (talk) 02:37, 29 September 2023 (UTC)


 * I removed Luelen Bernart and Elias Robert (politician) from the category, the only thing they have in common is that they lived in World War II during the Japanese occupation of their island. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:19, 29 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Merge per nom. Place Clichy (talk) 11:39, 29 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Comment Category has been emptied. Liz <sup style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: #006400;">Read! Talk! 01:10, 30 September 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Emigrants from Germany (post-1990)
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 * The result of the discussion was: merge to Category:German emigrants and the like. (non-admin closure) –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d  c̄ ) 01:43, 7 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Emigrants from Germany (post-1990) to Category:Emigrants from reunified Germany
 * Propose renaming Category:German emigrants to the United States (post-1990) to Category:Emigrants from reunified Germany to the United States
 * Propose renaming Category:German emigrants to the United Kingdom (post-1990) to Category:Emigrants from reunified Germany to the United Kingdom
 * Propose renaming Category:German emigrants to the Netherlands (post-1990) to Category:Emigrants from reunified Germany to the Netherlands
 * Nominator's rationale: I really don't find this intersecting categorization helpful. My preference is to up merge it into German emigrants. However, if it is to stay... an alternative renaming reunified is less clunky, and might look less terrible for the child categories that are currently named "German emigrants to the United States (post-1990)‎" Mason (talk) 02:22, 29 September 2023 (UTC)


 * Merge to Category:German emigrants etc. For emigration it does not matter whether Germany was unified or reunified. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:54, 29 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Agree. I feel the same for most of the emigration categories (although there are exceptions, if the reason for emigration is specific to the origin country. I'm thinking like, nazi germany, soviet union etc.) Mason (talk) 13:06, 29 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Merge to Category:German emigrants etc. Better is the enemy of good. Place Clichy (talk) 11:40, 29 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Merge to simple "German" categories as above. -- Necrothesp (talk) 13:49, 3 October 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Bohemian lawyers
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 * The result of the discussion was: rename and merge. (non-admin closure) –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d  c̄ ) 01:44, 7 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Bohemian lawyers to Category:Lawyers from Bohemia
 * Propose merging Category:15th-century Bohemian lawyers to Category:Lawyers from Bohemia
 * Nominator's rationale: small cat, only three lawyers in the entire Lawyers from Bohemia tree + for the rename Mason (talk) 00:43, 29 September 2023 (UTC)


 * Dual merge Category:15th-century Bohemian lawyers also to Category:15th-century lawyers. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:57, 29 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Support but surely the first is a rename rather than a merge? Grutness... wha?   23:25, 1 October 2023 (UTC)


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