Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2023 September 3

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Harassment and bullying

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge all. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  17:35, 11 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Harassment and Category:Bullying to Category:Harassment and bullying

Nominator's rationale: WP:OVERLAPCAT - Even just by looking at the subcategories, one can see that these two overlap. See also Harassment and Bullying.- jc37 23:39, 3 September 2023 (UTC)


 * Merge - as nom. - jc37 23:39, 3 September 2023 (UTC)


 * Merge. Seems reasonable to me. I also recommend that we rename the following child categories, as they have a similar problem.
 * "Category:Workplace bullying‎" to "Category:Workplace harassment and bullying";
 * "Category:Works about harassment" and "Category:Works about bullying" to ‎ "Category:Works about harassment and bullying"
 * Mason (talk) 01:59, 4 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Now also tagged. - jc37 17:47, 5 September 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Malayalam film songs
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Category:Murdered Australian children

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  17:47, 11 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming
 * Category:Murdered Australian children to Category:Child murder in Australia
 * Category:Murdered Mexican children to Category:Child murder in Mexico
 * Category:Murdered Italian children to Category:Child murder in Italy
 * Category:Murdered Japanese children to Category:Child murder in Japan
 * Category:Murdered Swedish children to Category:Child murder in Sweden
 * Category:Murdered American children to Category:Child murder in the United States
 * Category:Murdered Canadian children to Category:Child murder in Canada
 * Category:Murdered French children to Category:Child murder in France
 * Category:Murdered Brazilian children to Category:Child murder in Brazil
 * Category:Murdered Israeli children to Category:Child murder in Israel
 * Category:Murdered New Zealand children to Category:Child murder in New Zealand
 * Category:Murdered British children to Category:Child murder in the United Kingdom
 * Category:Murdered Scottish children to Category:Child murder in Scotland
 * Category:Murdered English children to Category:Child murder in England
 * Category:Murdered Pakistani children to Category:Child murder in Pakistan
 * Category:Murdered Ivorian children to Category:Child murder in Ivory Coast
 * Category:Murdered Belgian children to Category:Child murder in Belgium
 * Category:Murdered Finnish children to Category:Child murder in Finland
 * Category:Murdered German children to Category:Child murder in Germany
 * Category:Murdered South African children to Category:Child murder in South Africa
 * Category:Murdered Welsh children to Category:Child murder in Wales
 * Category:Murdered Nigerian children to Category:Child murder in Nigeria
 * Category:Murdered Indian children to Category:Child murder in India
 * Category:Murdered Portuguese children to Category:Child murder in Portugal
 * Category:Murdered Norwegian children to Category:Child murder in Norway
 * Category:Murdered Palestinian children to Category:Child murder in the State of Palestine
 * Category:Murdered Russian children to Category:Child murder in Russia
 * Category:Murdered Malaysian children to Category:Child murder in Malaysia
 * Category:Murdered Singaporean children to Category:Child murder in Singapore
 * Category:Murdered Bosnia and Herzegovina children to Category:Child murder in Bosnia and Herzegovina
 * Category:Murdered European children to Category:Child murder in Europe
 * Category:Murdered North American children to Category:Child murder in North America
 * Category:Murdered Oceanian children to Category:Child murder in Oceania
 * Category:Murdered South American children to Category:Child murder in South America
 * Category:Murdered Asian children to Category:Child murder in Asia
 * Category:Murdered African children to Category:Child murder in Africa
 * Category:Murdered Syrian children to Category:Child murder in Syria
 * Category:Murdered Spanish children to Category:Child murder in Spain
 * Category:Murdered Turkish children to Category:Child murder in Turkey
 * Category:Murdered Filipino children to Category:Child murder in the Philippines
 * Category:Murdered Dutch children to Category:Child murder in the Netherlands
 * Category:Murdered Irish children to Category:Child murder in Ireland
 * Category:Murdered Austrian children to Category:Child murder in Austria
 * Category:Murdered South Korean children to Category:Child murder in South Korea
 * Category:Murdered Kosovan children to Category:Child murder in Kosovo
 * Category:Murdered Iraqi children to Category:Child murder in Iraq
 * Category:Murdered Chinese children to Category:Child murder in China
 * Category:Murdered Serbian children to Category:Child murder in Serbia
 * Category:Murdered Jamaican children to Category:Child murder in Jamaica
 * Category:Murdered Afghan children to Category:Child murder in Afghanistan
 * Category:Murdered Iranian children to Category:Child murder in Iran
 * Category:Murdered Bulgarian children to Category:Child murder in Bulgaria
 * Category:Murdered Polish children to Category:Child murder in Poland
 * Category:Murdered Vietnamese children to Category:Child murder in Vietnam
 * Category:Murdered Greek children to Category:Child murder in Greece
 * Category:Murdered Botswana children to Category:Child murder in Botswana
 * Category:Murdered Taiwanese children to Category:Child murder in Taiwan
 * Category:Murdered Bangladeshi children to Category:Child murder in Bangladesh
 * Category:Murdered Korean children to Category:Child murder in Korea
 * Category:Murdered Sri Lankan children to Category:Child murder in Sri Lanka
 * Category:Murdered Romanian children to Category:Child murder in Romania
 * Category:Murdered Thai children to Category:Child murder in Thailand
 * Nominator's rationale: The large majority of articles under these categories are focused on the event rather than the victim, which is to be expected, as most children are unlikely to have independently acquired notability beyond WP:BIO1E (with the exception of royalty, who make up most of the non Murder of... articles here). These categories should be renamed to Category:Child murder in Foo, to put the focus on the events rather than the victims, and each reparented to the respective Category:Murder in Foo and a new Category:Child murder by country. I'm aware that this change will necessitate manual checking to properly recategorise those who died outside their home country, but they should make up only a small minority of cases. I haven't nominated the parent Category:Murdered children, as, for now, it should continue to include Category:Fictional murdered children (and Category:Children who died in the Holocaust, which should be re-parented there if this nomination succeeds). Paul_012 (talk) 18:19, 3 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Support Comment . I mostly support this, but how will the parent categories that are nationality-related be handled? For example, murdered American children will include Category:American children who were murdered in other countries. Mason (talk) 01:54, 4 September 2023 (UTC)
 * My proposal would be to remove the categories from the Fooian children tree. The rare individual articles that fit the example should be re-parented to Category:American children (or an appropriate diffising subcat thereof) and Category:American people murdered abroad, if they aren't already categorised as such. As I mentioned, this will require manual checking. I'm prepared to help with this if the CfD goes through, but I can't promise that I will get to all and every single category member. --Paul_012 (talk) 02:37, 4 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Sounds good! Mason (talk) 19:00, 4 September 2023 (UTC)


 * (first choice) Support per nom. Recommend creating parent Category:Child murder by country of murder to avoid confusion with a potential category tree such as Category:Murdered children by nationality; compare Category:Murderers of children by nationality.
 * (second choice) Alt proposal: splitting these categories into (A) Category:Child murder by country of murder and (B) Category:Murdered children by nationality. Compare my proposal to split Category:Missing person cases by country into (A) Category:Missing person cases by country of disappearance and (B) Category:Missing children by nationality.
 * Splitting rationale: The Category:People by country tree is notoriously ambiguous and frequently mixed up with the Category:People by nationality tree; I've been trying to improve the distinction with lots of renamings in recent weeks. Mason correctly raised this concern. Although it may lead to a lot of overlap, nominator Paul_012 might want to give this alt proposal to split this tree serious consideration, especially by comparing it to my "missing person cases by country" split proposal, with which this tree is obviously closely connected. I'd like to invite you both to participate in that CfS as well. Good day, NLeeuw (talk) 07:14, 8 September 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Group of Friends in Defense of the Charter of the United Nations

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  17:48, 11 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting group of friends in defense of the charter of the united nations
 * Nominator's rationale: Per WP:CATDEF. This is a recently created group with limited participation and inconsistent membership that has only released a few statements. This is unlike other United Nations members, such as NGOs or regional blocs.
 * There's also the verifiability issue, as this is not a group that is formally an United Nations observer nor an established organization (and there's not any mention of it in the main article) NoonIcarus (talk) 11:50, 3 September 2023 (UTC)


 * Delete, redundant category layer, the subcategory suffices. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:34, 3 September 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Religious structures destroyed by Muslim invaders
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Category:History of the Ghaznavid Empire

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  19:15, 11 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:History of the Ghaznavid Empire to Category:Ghaznavid Empire
 * Nominator's rationale: merge, redundant category layer with only two subcategories and former countries do not need a history category per se. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:24, 3 September 2023 (UTC)


 * Merge per nom. NLeeuw (talk) 21:38, 3 September 2023 (UTC)


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Biography articles needing translation from Slovenian Wikipedia
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Category:Video games with AI-versus-AI modes

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 * The result of the discussion was: listify/delete. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  19:19, 11 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting video games with ai-versus-ai modes
 * Nominator's rationale: This category seems to fall afoul WP:OC, specifically that the categorization is Trivial or of Non-defining characteristics. In my view, this is about on par with something like "Video games which let you select Mono or Stereo sound".  A majority of games listed here are intended for human players, but incidentally, you may turn off all the humans.  The subcategorization feels useless to me: the games are not purpose-designed for AI competition, nor is the feature particularly meaningful (you can't swap in player-created AIs or do much with it beyond adjusting difficulty level, for example).  A category for a side effect does not seem useful.
 * "AI vs AI" is a broad and notable subject of its own - consider, for example, internet chess championships / AI-vs-AI StarCraft / the entirety of Programming Game but those are purpose-designed systems for AI players to compete. I don't think this category stands on its own. Hornpipe2 (talk) 15:57, 26 August 2023 (UTC)
 * "AI vs AI" is a broad and notable subject of its own - consider, for example, internet chess championships / AI-vs-AI StarCraft / the entirety of Programming Game but those are purpose-designed systems for AI players to compete. I don't think this category stands on its own. Hornpipe2 (talk) 15:57, 26 August 2023 (UTC)

Relisting comment: Should the category be deleted or listified? Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, –LaundryPizza03 ( d c̄ ) 00:03, 3 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete I agree that a game mode is not defining. As far as I know, "AI versus AI" is not a genre unto itself (I assume that would fall under the simulation genre instead). ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 05:58, 28 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Listify - This is a game feature, not unlike other lists of games by feature. But it does require explanation, hence why a category isn't the way to do this. (or in other words, per WP:BEFORECAT.) - jc37 13:41, 28 August 2023 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


 * Copy the names of the articles of this category to Wikipedia Talk:WikiProject Video Games and ask if someone would be interested to convert it to a stand alone list article, then delete the category. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:12, 3 September 2023 (UTC)
 * And just to add for the future, all the subcats of Category:Video games by gameplay element should probably be listified per Lists_of_video_games, and as per the members of Category:Video game lists by technology or feature. - jc37 14:38, 3 September 2023 (UTC)


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