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Category:Candidates for uncontroversial speedy deletion

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename per WP:BARTENDER. (non-admin closure) C LYDE  TALK TO ME/STUFF DONE 22:48, 12 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Candidates for uncontroversial speedy deletion to Category:Candidates for technical speedy deletion
 * Nominator's rationale: All speedy deletion is supposed to be "uncontroversial", so the category name as it currently stands is both redundant and undescriptive. "Technical deletion" is what G6 is called over at WP:G6, but I would be open to other names if someone has a better idea. HouseBlastertalk 21:52, 30 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Seems like angels dancing on the head of a pin to me but I'm not actively involved with either CSD or categorisation so I'll leave it to others. HJ Mitchell &#124; Penny for your thoughts? 22:12, 30 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Rename to Category:Candidates for speedy deletion under G6. * Pppery * it has begun... 23:34, 30 September 2023 (UTC)
 * The issue isn't with the current category name, but with how poorly G6 is defined. The only one of the examples given at WP:G6 that I'd consider a "technical speedy deletion" is the one G6 was originally created for, and the one least frequently invoked these days: repairing copy-paste moves. —Cryptic 00:25, 1 October 2023 (UTC)


 * Comment It's bizarre to see a CSD category tagged for deletion. Very meta. If you are going to rename this category, it should really involve a discussion at WT:CSD. Liz Read! Talk! 03:26, 1 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Support alt Category:Candidates for speedy deletion under G6 for easy recognizability and as most accurate. While we are at it, all siblings may be renamed likewise. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:56, 1 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Rename as proposed, not to "candidates for speedy deletion under G6" as we already have enough problems with the G6 criterion being improperly used as a catch-all. "Technical" is the correct term for these sorts of deletions, and as the nominator said, all speedy deletion is uncontroversial by definition (any controversial deletion must be discussed and is therefore not eligible for speedy deletion). Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 21:14, 5 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Rename as proposed - I am in agreement with Ivanvector. -- Whpq (talk) 13:41, 11 October 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Academics from Austria-Hungary

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge. No prejudice against a rename discussion. (non-admin closure) C LYDE  TALK TO ME/STUFF DONE 22:49, 12 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Academics from Austria-Hungary to Category:Scholars from Austria-Hungary
 * Nominator's rationale: overlapping category Mason (talk) 20:43, 30 September 2023 (UTC)


 * Reverse merge as more specific, and all articles in the scholars category happen to be about academics. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:28, 30 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Support. Good call. Mason (talk) 12:14, 2 October 2023 (UTC)
 * @Marcocapelle How would you feel about merging and renaming to the more general Category:Scholars and academics from Austria-Hungary? Mason (talk) 12:33, 2 October 2023 (UTC)
 * we do not need scholars here per se, that is something we mostly use for ancient and medieval times (or later in non-western countries), i.e. before people were formally educated at university. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:56, 2 October 2023 (UTC)


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Category:1818 Alabama elections

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename. (non-admin closure) C LYDE  TALK TO ME/STUFF DONE 22:49, 12 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:1818 Alabama elections to Category:1818 Alabama Territory elections
 * Nominator's rationale: Alabama was Alabama Territory in 1818. –Aidan721 (talk) 20:02, 30 September 2023 (UTC)


 * Support Year-based category names should match the names of territories as they were at the time. Number   5  7  09:15, 5 October 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Lawyers in British India
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Category:1811 in Alabama

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge. (non-admin closure) C LYDE  TALK TO ME/STUFF DONE 22:50, 12 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:1811 establishments in Alabama to Category:1811 establishments in Mississippi Territory
 * Propose merging Category:1811 in Alabama to Category:1811 in Mississippi Territory
 * Nominator's rationale: Alabama was a part of Mississippi Territory in 1811. –Aidan721 (talk) 19:38, 30 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Support. Mason (talk) 21:13, 6 October 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Emigrants from occupied Germany (1945-1949)

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 * The result of the discussion was: option B. (non-admin closure) C LYDE  TALK TO ME/STUFF DONE 22:51, 12 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Option A
 * Category:Emigrants from occupied Germany (1945-1949) to Category:Emigrants from occupied Germany (1945–1949)
 * Category:Emigrants from occupied Germany (1945-1949) to the United States to Category:Emigrants from occupied Germany (1945–1949) to the United States
 * Option B
 * Category:Emigrants from occupied Germany (1945-1949) to Category:Emigrants from Allied-occupied Germany
 * Category:Emigrants from occupied Germany (1945-1949) to the United States to Category:Emigrants from Allied-occupied Germany to the United States


 * Category:Emigrants from occupied Germany (1945-1949) to Category:Emigrants from occupied Germany (1945–1949) – C2A. Santiago Claudio (talk) 06:42, 22 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Category:Emigrants from occupied Germany (1945-1949) to the United States to Category:Emigrants from occupied Germany (1945–1949) to the United States – C2A. Santiago Claudio (talk) 06:42, 22 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Re-target Category:Emigrants from Allied-occupied Germany and Category:Emigrants from Allied-occupied Germany to the United States, per C2D Allied-occupied Germany? Hyphenation Expert (talk) 07:20, 22 September 2023 (UTC)
 * No, please! Santiago Claudio (talk) 10:46, 22 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Oppose as proposed, given C2D conflict. Hyphenation Expert (talk) 14:42, 23 September 2023 (UTC)
 * This oppose does not make sense. There is no C2D conflict, rather there are two different C2D proposals (dash, and Allied-occupied Germany) of which one (Allied-occupied Germany) is opposed for unclear reasons. Both proposals can go ahead if no rationale is offered for opposing Allied-occupied Germany, and otherwise the dash rename can still go ahead because there is clearly no reason why that could be opposed. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:37, 23 September 2023 (UTC)
 * My point is skipping the dash fix, since "(1945-1949)" should be removed. This time period is already part of the definition of Allied-occupied Germany. Hyphenation Expert (talk) 00:11, 24 September 2023 (UTC)


 * Nominator's rationale: This is a procedural nomination, there were two different proposals for speedy renaming. pinging both proposers. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:05, 30 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Support Option B. I think that the use of dates isn't helpful and leads to awkward child categories that are often misnamed. (e.g. Category:Finnish emigrants to the United States (1809–1917) ) Mason (talk) 19:13, 1 October 2023 (UTC)


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Category:1880s in Basutoland

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename/merge/delete. (non-admin closure) C LYDE  TALK TO ME/STUFF DONE 22:53, 12 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:1880 in Basutoland to Category:1880 in the Cape Colony
 * Propose merging Category:1881 in Basutoland to Category:1881 in the Cape Colony
 * Propose deleting 1880s in basutoland
 * Propose deleting years of the 19th century in basutoland
 * Nominator's rationale: Basutoland did not exist as a British colony until 1884. This region was a part of the Cape Colony prior to that. –Aidan721 (talk) 15:36, 30 September 2023 (UTC)


 * Support, even if the Basuto Gun War was not exactly in the Cape Colony, it was at least with the involvement of the Cape Colony. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:00, 30 September 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Dutch expatriates in the Dutch East Indies

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename. No prejudice against a split discussion. (non-admin closure) C LYDE  TALK TO ME/STUFF DONE 22:56, 12 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Dutch expatriates in the Dutch East Indies to Category:Dutch people of the Dutch East Indies
 * Nominator's rationale: The category was renamed a few days ago but it has at least two problems: 1) as the Indies was directly ruled by the Netherlands since the end of the Napoleonic wars, it makes no sense to speak of expatriates, and 2) many or most of the people categorized over the years as "Dutch people of the Dutch East Indies" were born in the Indies. Dan Carkner (talk) 14:39, 30 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Alternative. A more helpful alternative would be to split the category to make the distinction you pointed out. "Dutch people from the Dutch East Indies" and Category:Dutch expatriates in the Dutch East Indies. Mason (talk) 21:06, 30 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Strong Support - per Dan Carkners comments, there is no room for the expat category, and specially seeing the history of the category - it should have been left at Dutch people. I see no help in allowing the usage of the term expat - in the history of the Dutch East Indies, I would be very surprised if anyone ever actually used the term - as a self identifier, or as a reference to people of a particular group. JarrahTree 00:16, 1 October 2023 (UTC)
 * I disagree that a compromise is necessary which uses the term expatriate; it doesn't make sense in this context. Dan Carkner (talk) 14:20, 1 October 2023 (UTC)


 * Rename as nom. Expatriate is wrong in this case. The category could be parented to though. Place Clichy (talk) 15:09, 1 October 2023 (UTC)


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Category:1014 in Ireland

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete/merge. (non-admin closure) C LYDE  TALK TO ME/STUFF DONE 22:56, 12 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting 1010s in ireland
 * Propose merging Category:1014 in Ireland to Category:1014 in Europe and Category:11th century in Ireland
 * Nominator's rationale: Year and decade cats are both isolated. Upmerge. –Aidan721 (talk) 13:09, 30 September 2023 (UTC)


 * Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 13:53, 30 September 2023 (UTC)


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Category:LGBT deities
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Category:British Asian people

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge. No prejudice against a containerization discussion. (non-admin closure) C LYDE  TALK TO ME/STUFF DONE 22:59, 12 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:British Asian people to Category:British people of Asian descent
 * Nominator's rationale: overlapping category Mason (talk) 01:29, 30 September 2023 (UTC)


 * Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:43, 30 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Merge per nom and containerize the continental descent category, per this and that discussions. Place Clichy (talk) 15:07, 1 October 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Dutch Travellers

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. Once  Category:Dutch Traveller sportspeople is deleted per the below nom, this becomes a C1 speedy. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  17:14, 16 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Dutch Travellers to Category:Dutch Romani people
 * Nominator's rationale: over lapping cat Mason (talk) 01:26, 30 September 2023 (UTC)


 * The only article in the category says "indigenous" so it is unlikely that this refers to Romani. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:46, 30 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Travellers is a term to describe "gypsy" people, see English Travellers, Irish Travellers, etc Mason (talk) 21:21, 30 September 2023 (UTC)
 * The article may well have a wrong capital T as a mistake in translation. "Woonwagenbewoner" is someone with a movable home, possibly but not necessarily Romani people. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:46, 30 September 2023 (UTC)
 * ahhh, that makes sense. Happy to merge/delete this. Mason (talk) 00:47, 1 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete both Category:Dutch Travellers and Category:Dutch Traveller sportspeople. Oppose nom, per discussion above. As noted above, the term woonwagenbewoner doesn't only refer to the Romani people exclusively. UpMerge the article to Category:Dutch sportspeople. - jc37 08:34, 13 October 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Dutch Traveller sportspeople
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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. Nom also supported deletion, so this is not a relist / no consensus situation). (non-admin closure) HouseBlastertalk 23:52, 12 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Dutch Traveller sportspeople to Category:Dutch Travellers
 * Nominator's rationale: Merge or delete as this is a small cat Mason (talk) 01:24, 30 September 2023 (UTC)


 * Just delete, not defining. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:47, 30 September 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Ethnic Albanian rebels
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Category:Ethnic Greek people
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