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Category:Celtic folklore

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 * The result of the discussion was: no consensus. (non-admin closure) C LYDE  TALK TO ME/STUFF DONE 16:08, 14 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Celtic folklore to Category:European folklore
 * Nominator's rationale: WP:ARBITRARYCAT. Follow-up to Category:Celtic culture by country. Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 01:37, 27 August 2023 (UTC)


 * Delete, trivial intersection with language family (and Scottish and Irish etc aren't even necessarily Celtic). Marcocapelle (talk) 05:45, 27 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep. Not good enough reason to get rid of it, when this is a commonly recognized category used in published literature.
 * Categories are crude so we assume European/Celtic "identity" not just linguistic (Gaelic-speakers including Manx or Canadian patois of Scottish Gaelic) but ethnic (Irish immigrants), and geographic (including Cornwall or Brittany) --Kiyoweap (talk) 13:08, 27 August 2023 (UTC)
 * That's the very definition of an WP:ARBITRARYCAT. A little bit of this, a little bit of that etc. Linguistics, ethnography and geography are three different disciplines, we shouldn't mix them up. This category is in the Category:Culture by language family tree, so we'll judge it by that angle. Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 20:33, 27 August 2023 (UTC)
 * For better or worse, Celtic folklore is not necessarily always used as a linguistic term if referring to modern folklore. It is a common term which in effect refers to British and Irish folklore which is not English or obviously from somewhere else? Andrew Lancaster (talk) 15:18, 30 August 2023 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Qwerfjkl  talk  21:29, 6 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Oppose - I look at this dab page Celtic folklore, and that looks like a group of related pages to me. And I'm also surprised to hear that a category based upon German folklore was deleted. The criteria question of: "Could an article be written about it?" seems to have been directly met in that case. And it looks like Folklore is a valid course of study and research per Folklore studies. So deleting these would seem to be a disservice to our readers. - jc37 14:50, 28 August 2023 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


 * Delete  original research. Much of the content of "Scottish folklore" for example is not Celtic in origin and therefore being placed in a subcategory of this fails verification and misleads the reader. At a minimum, the Scottish category would have to be moved out with only Scottish Gaelic folklore remaining classified here. But honestly I think it is better to delete. (t &#183; c)  buidhe  21:43, 6 September 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Category:Carnivals in Malta
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Category:Imambara

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge. (non-admin closure) C LYDE  TALK TO ME/STUFF DONE 16:12, 14 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Imambara to Category:Hussainiya
 * Nominator's rationale: New duplicate category, with catmain redirecting to Hussainiya. The two terms appear to be synonymous. Wikishovel (talk) 18:03, 6 September 2023 (UTC)


 * Merge with redirect, one is the Middle Eastern term, the other is the South Asian term. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:54, 6 September 2023 (UTC)


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D.I.C.E. Award category tree

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) C LYDE  TALK TO ME/STUFF DONE 16:15, 14 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting d.i.c.e. award winners
 * d.i.c.e. award for action game of the year winners‎
 * d.i.c.e. award for adventure game of the year winners‎
 * d.i.c.e. award for family game of the year winners‎
 * d.i.c.e. award for fighting game of the year winners‎
 * d.i.c.e. award for game of the year winners‎
 * d.i.c.e. award for immersive reality game of the year winners‎
 * d.i.c.e. award for immersive reality technical achievement winners‎
 * d.i.c.e. award for mobile game of the year winners‎
 * d.i.c.e. award for online game of the year winners‎
 * d.i.c.e. award for outstanding achievement for an independent game winners‎
 * d.i.c.e. award for outstanding achievement in animation winners‎
 * d.i.c.e. award for outstanding achievement in art direction winners‎
 * d.i.c.e. award for outstanding achievement in audio design winners‎
 * d.i.c.e. award for outstanding achievement in character winners‎
 * d.i.c.e. award for outstanding achievement in game design winners‎
 * d.i.c.e. award for outstanding achievement in game direction winners‎
 * d.i.c.e. award for outstanding achievement in original music composition winners‎
 * d.i.c.e. award for outstanding achievement in story winners‎
 * d.i.c.e. award for outstanding technical achievement winners
 * d.i.c.e. award for racing game of the year winners‎
 * d.i.c.e. award for role-playing game of the year winners‎
 * d.i.c.e. award for sports game of the year winners
 * d.i.c.e. award for strategy/simulation game of the year winners‎
 * Nominator's rationale: WP:OCAWARD. A good faith contribution, but the D.I.C.E. Awards are not "defining" awards in the way that Academy Award winners or the like are. List articles already exist for these awards and should be sufficient. See previous discussion on an individual subcategory, which came to a delete conclusion. SnowFire (talk) 16:26, 6 September 2023 (UTC)
 * I understand that some of the D.I.C.E. Award winners sub-categories did meet the standards of the categorization guidelines. Mobile Game of the Year was one that I was not very confident about. Two other categories that I won't object for deleting are the Immersive Reality Game of the Year and Immersive Reality Technical Achievement. Another user made the categories for all the genre awards  (Action, Adventure, Family, Fighting, Racing, Role-Playing, Sports, and Strategy/Simulation) and Online Game of the Year. I wanted to be fair to all the awards and created categories for all the  craft Awards  (Game Direction, Game Design, Animation, Art Direction, Character, Original Music Composition, Audio Design, and Technical) along with the awards for Mobile Game of the Year, Outstanding Achievement for Independent Game, Immersive Reality Game of the Year, and Immersive Reality Technical Achievement. Also, my initial intention was to redirect the category for Interactive Achievement Award winners to D.I.C.E. Award winners. I made the category for D.I.C.E. Game of the Year winners shortly afterwards. So I would like to propose that the categories for the  genre awards  be recategorized under the category:D.I.C.E. Genre Award winners and I would do the same with the  craft awards  under the category:D.I.C.E. Craft Award winners. I am also thinking about making the categories for category:D.I.C.E. Genre Awards and category:D.I.C.E. Craft Awards. MR.RockGamer17 (talk) 18:37, 7 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete Other awards in the industry like The Game Awards are defining, but the DICE ones not much so (given they are generally selected by publishers, not the press or public) M asem (t) 23:01, 7 September 2023 (UTC)


 * Pinging who participated in the previous CFD discussion.  SnowFire (talk) 16:34, 6 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete, more of WP:OCAWARD. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:00, 6 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete Per nom. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 07:24, 7 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete as closer of pilot CfD. –LaundryPizza03 ( d c̄ ) 02:43, 8 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete The award show is notable but not individually defining to each recipient. The winners are already listified somewhere udner Category:D.I.C.E. Awards for any reader interested in the topic. - RevelationDirect (talk) 22:44, 10 September 2023 (UTC)


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Category:People by ethnicity and nationality and century

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) C LYDE  TALK TO ME/STUFF DONE 16:16, 14 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting people by ethnicity and nationality and century
 * Propose deleting people by ethnicity and century and nationality
 * Nominator's rationale: These categories have always only contained one category for Jews. It would be fine if these categories were expanded and contained categories for other ethnicities but as they exist now, they seem redundant to only contain one category for one ethnicity. Liz Read! Talk! 16:24, 6 September 2023 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:02, 6 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. However, I think that it is worth pointing out that these categories were initially emptied by an IP . Mason (talk) 17:49, 6 September 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Apartheid museums

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename. (non-admin closure) C LYDE  TALK TO ME/STUFF DONE 16:16, 14 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Apartheid museums to Category:Museums about apartheid
 * Nominator's rationale: The current title is ambiguous. User:Namiba 15:37, 6 September 2023 (UTC)


 * Rename to a slightly clearer title. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:23, 6 September 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Karakalpakstan geography stubs

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge to Category:Uzbekistan geography stubs. (non-admin closure) C LYDE  TALK TO ME/STUFF DONE 16:17, 14 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting karakalpakstan geography stubs
 * Nominator's rationale: Underpopulated stub category, with no evidence of approval by WikiProject Stub sorting. As always, stub categories are not free for any user to create at any time for just a handful of articles -- the minimum bar for creating a stub category is 60 articles, and for that very reason they have to be proposed at the stub project for discussion on whether their creation is justifiable or not. But there are just nine articles here, and the creator did not propose it through the proper processes. I'm agnostic on whether the stub template needs to exist or not -- templates don't have the same minimum size requirements as categories, because they can easily file their articles into higher-level parent categories if necessary -- so if the template is kept, then it can just file the articles in, and if it's deleted then it needs to be replaced with Uzbekistan-geo-stub on the nine articles, but the category can't exist without at least 51 more articles than this. Bearcat (talk) 11:13, 6 September 2023 (UTC)


 * Merge to Category:Uzbekistan geography stubs or delete and manually recategorize, per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:25, 6 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Upmerge template to Category:Uzbekistan geography stubs per nom. Her Pegship (?) 00:17, 12 September 2023 (UTC)


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Category:21st-century Karen women singers

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) C LYDE  TALK TO ME/STUFF DONE 21:03, 14 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting 21st-century karen women singers
 * Propose deleting 21st-century karen male singers
 * Nominator's rationale: Two single-entry WP:SMALLCATs on a non-defining characteristic. We categorize musicians for the intersection of time period in which they worked with their nationality, but we do not have any established scheme of intersecting time period with their ethnic admixture -- but Karen is the latter, not the former, and both of the two people categorized here are already in other appropriate "21st-century [nationality] [gender] singers" categories anyway. And even if this were desirable, it wouldn't be warranted for just one singer per category, as it does not aid navigation of the wikipedia to obsessively funnel everything down into microcategories of one. Bearcat (talk) 10:56, 6 September 2023 (UTC)


 * Delete per multiple reasons as already mentioned by nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:04, 6 September 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Hemispheres of Moon
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 * The result of the discussion was: merge. (non-admin closure) C LYDE  TALK TO ME/STUFF DONE 21:03, 14 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Hemispheres of Moon to Category:Hemispheres and Category:Lunar science
 * Nominator's rationale: This could only ever contain these two articles on near and far side of the Moon, so is not needed. If not merged, rename to Hemispheres of the Moon. – Fayenatic  L ondon 08:51, 6 September 2023 (UTC)


 * Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 11:19, 6 September 2023 (UTC)


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Category:People of the Arab world
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Category:National anthems of the Commonwealth of Unrecognized States
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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) C LYDE  TALK TO ME/STUFF DONE 21:05, 14 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting national anthems of the commonwealth of unrecognized states
 * Nominator's rationale: delete as a trivial intersection. If kept, rename to Category:National anthems of the Community for Democracy and Rights of Nations per Community for Democracy and Rights of Nations. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:15, 6 September 2023 (UTC)


 * Category:National anthems of the Commonwealth of Unrecognized States to Category:National anthems of the Community for Democracy and Rights of Nations – C2D: Match the main article Community for Democracy and Rights of Nations, which has never had the name “Commonwealth of Unrecognized States.” —Michael Z. 15:17, 4 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete per WP:ARBITRARYCAT. It's more a home-made Euler diagram than a category. NLeeuw (talk) 18:37, 4 September 2023 (UTC)


 * pinging contributors to speedy discussion. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:20, 6 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete irrelevant intersection (t &#183; c)  buidhe  07:20, 6 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete. All of the categorized anthem articles and the article about the organization of fake states are dubious subjects, per WP:GNG. It’s not an encyclopedic intersection. —Michael Z. 02:26, 7 September 2023 (UTC)


 * Delete per WP:ARBITRARYCAT. It's more a home-made Euler diagram than a category. NLeeuw (talk) 20:46, 14 September 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Member states of the Shanghai Cooperation Organisation
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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) C LYDE  TALK TO ME/STUFF DONE 21:06, 14 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting member states of the shanghai cooperation organisation
 * Nominator's rationale: Non-defining international organization. It's not even mentioned in some articles like India (except in the category). In others, there was a lead mention but no body mention. (t &#183; c)  buidhe  04:35, 6 September 2023 (UTC)


 * Delete, mere memberships should only be categorized in exceptional cases. That applies both to individuals and to states. Marcocapelle (talk) 04:57, 6 September 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Observer states of the Shanghai Cooperation Organisation
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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) C LYDE  TALK TO ME/STUFF DONE 21:06, 14 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting observer states of the shanghai cooperation organisation
 * Nominator's rationale: Not defining for either category member. (t &#183; c)  buidhe  04:30, 6 September 2023 (UTC)


 * Delete, mere memberships (or even less than that, in this case) should only be categorized in exceptional cases. Marcocapelle (talk) 04:56, 6 September 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Dialogue partners of the Shanghai Cooperation Organisation
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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) C LYDE  TALK TO ME/STUFF DONE 21:07, 14 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting dialogue partners of the shanghai cooperation organisation
 * Nominator's rationale: Non-defining for all category members, as far as I can tell. Some like Azerbaijan and Egypt don't mention the SCO at all. Two of them that I checked, Kuwait and Sri Lanka, mentioned the organization in the lead but not the body, but with no sign that this particular international organization membership is relevant. (Many states are members of dozens of international organizations, very few are defining). (t &#183; c)  buidhe  04:29, 6 September 2023 (UTC)


 * Delete, mere memberships (or even less than that, in this case) should only be categorized in exceptional cases. Marcocapelle (talk) 04:56, 6 September 2023 (UTC)


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