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Native American artists by gender
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Category:United Center

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure) House Blaster  (talk · he/him) 18:41, 20 April 2024 (UTC)


 * Propose deleting united center
 * Nominator's rationale: WP:OCEPON. Tagged by Namiba on February 4 but not listed. * Pppery * it has begun... 21:21, 12 April 2024 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:41, 13 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Delete as prior nom. FWIW, I still think and the other similar categories should be deleted too.--User:Namiba 19:26, 17 April 2024 (UTC)


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Category:Serer presidents

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkl  talk  20:46, 21 April 2024 (UTC)


 * Propose merging Category:Serer presidents to Category:Serer politicians
 * Nominator's rationale: I don't think we should be diffusing at the intersection of ethnicity and specific political office. Also as a follow up to Categories_for_discussion/Log/2023_November_30 Mason (talk) 21:05, 12 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Oppose: Senegal has had 5 presidents since independence. 3 of those 5 were Serers as the cat clearly shows. The 4th had a Serer mother and a Serer wife. And we have not even accounted for Gambia and Mauritania where the Serer people are also found. I think this cat is pretty useful to the general reader and has great potential.  There  is no policy that I know of that states we can't do that. If that's the case, then there is no point in having cats for ethnicities and nationalities e.g. English actors, Scottish actors, etc.... Tamsier (talk) 02:00, 13 April 2024 (UTC)
 * But how does it meet the criteria for defining intersection, under WP:EGRS/IThat's the policy that this category doesn't meet the keep criteria for. Your arguments don't address the lack of defining intersection. Comparing this category to English actors is not comparable. We don't have English presidents, but we do have English politicians. Mason (talk) 21:27, 13 April 2024 (UTC)


 * Merge per WP:OCEGRS. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:42, 13 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Cat:Serer presidents is implemented in order to split cat:Serer people - which is permitted by OCEGRS. It helps us split notable Serers into their profession rather than lumping them all into the Cat:Serer people. To do that, would overload Cat:Serer people and would not help the reader at all. In fact, most notable Serers have not been added to this Cat for exactly that reason. The cat:Serer people should only contain Serer people, Saafi people, Niominka people, Serer-Laalaa, Ndut people, Palor people, etc., in the main Cat, and then sub cats for Serer people based on their profession. In my view, this would be more useful and helpful to the reader. Tamsier (talk) 14:03, 13 April 2024 (UTC)
 * But it isn't helping diffuse Serer people. It's a subcategory of Serer politicians. Mason (talk) 21:22, 13 April 2024 (UTC)


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Category:Categories needing manual work before deletion

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkl  talk  20:47, 21 April 2024 (UTC)


 * Propose renaming Category:Categories needing manual work before deletion to Category:Categories needing manual work after a discussion
 * Nominator's rationale: not all categories here will be deleted; some are just being purged. House Blaster  (talk · he/him) 20:35, 12 April 2024 (UTC)


 * Support – we will need to update the usage criteria stated at Template:Cfd manual/doc. – Fayenatic  L ondon 21:41, 12 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Support per actual usage. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:43, 13 April 2024 (UTC)


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Category:Serer cardinals

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkl  talk  20:47, 21 April 2024 (UTC)


 * Propose merging Category:Serer cardinals to Category:Serer people
 * Nominator's rationale: Upmerge for now. There's only one cardinal that meets this criteria, which is unhelpful for navigation. If not merged, I think we should broaden the category to clergy or religious workers. Mason (talk) 19:27, 12 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Oppose: In Senegal and Gambia, but especially Senegal were the Serer are the third largest ethnic group, this community constitute the majority of the Christian community. I get your argument, but I truly believe this category is extremely helpful, and would provide even greater help to the reader in the future.  There are more people that could potentially be added to this cat. I therefore urge the community to give it time and keep it as is.Tamsier (talk) 20:23, 12 April 2024 (UTC)
 * What other cardinals can be added? It's been 10 years since the category was created. I feel like that's more than enough time. And if sufficiently more people exist, those categories can be created again. Relevant: CFD that ended with deletion. Categories for discussion/Log/2023 November 30 Mason (talk) 21:08, 12 April 2024 (UTC)


 * Merge per WP:OCEGRS. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:44, 13 April 2024 (UTC)


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Category:Egyptian Football League clubs

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename (non-admin closure) House Blaster  (talk · he/him) 18:40, 20 April 2024 (UTC)


 * Propose renaming Category:Egyptian Football League clubs to Category:Egyptian Premier League clubs
 * Nominator's rationale: To match parent article and category, Egyptian Premier League. Ben5218 (talk) 18:25, 12 April 2024 (UTC)


 * Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related page discussions. GiantSnowman 09:41, 13 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Support per WP:C2D. GiantSnowman 09:42, 13 April 2024 (UTC)


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Category:Original programming

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge to Category:Television shows. (non-admin closure) House Blaster  (talk · he/him) 17:37, 21 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting original programming
 * Nominator's rationale: Redundant category. Although we do use the "original programming" wording in for "television programs by network" categories, that's only because we want television programs to be categorized only for the service they were actually original to, and not for services that picked up rebroadcast rights -- for instance, a show that is original to NBC in the United States would be catted as NBC original programming, but would not get categorized for its rebroadcast by CTV in Canada, ITV in the UK or Seven in Australia. But literally by definition, every television program is "original" to some television service or other -- a television program can't exist at all without being "original" to some television channel, network or streaming platform -- which just makes this functionally indistinguishable from . Bearcat (talk) 18:01, 12 April 2024 (UTC)


 * Oppose straight deletion; the sub-cats by streaming service or network/channel should be parented together somewhere. Maybe merge and redirect to Category:Television shows. – Fayenatic  L ondon 21:45, 12 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Merge per Fayenatic london. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:46, 13 April 2024 (UTC)


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Category:2023 farm sims

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge (non-admin closure) House Blaster  (talk · he/him) 16:50, 19 April 2024 (UTC)


 * Propose merging Category:2023 farm sims to Category:Farming video games
 * Nominator's rationale: Overcategorization by intersection of unrelated characteristics. does not have any scheme of subcategorizing its contents by individual year of release, and the  tree doesn't have any established scheme of subcategorizing games for the intersection of genre with year of release either -- so this is the only category of this type that exists at all, but special treatment isn't necessary for just four games. All four games have been left in the 2023 video games parent alongside this, so no upmerging is necessary in that direction. Bearcat (talk) 16:36, 12 April 2024 (UTC)


 * Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:47, 13 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Merge per nom. Having a dedicated category for this specific year isn't necessary, given that games released from other years are all located at Category:Farming video games. Ben5218 (talk) 18:40, 17 April 2024 (UTC)


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Category:Wikipedia community campaigns

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename to Category:Wikimedia community projects. (non-admin closure) House Blaster  (talk · he/him) 13:16, 23 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Wikipedia community campaigns to Category:Wikimedia community project
 * Nominator's rationale: I recently made this category and it does not have broad use. The better name is "Wikimedia community project" because already has some use in Wikidata, and it is the same concept.   Bluerasberry   (talk)  13:09, 12 April 2024 (UTC)


 * It is largely a set category so it should be plural at least. Possibly rename to Category:Wikimedia community projects, or keep. Marcocapelle (talk) 15:55, 12 April 2024 (UTC)
 * are you okay with the plural rename? House Blaster  (talk · he/him) 17:38, 21 April 2024 (UTC)
 * The plural is correct and singular is an error. Yes I support.  Bluerasberry   (talk)  07:49, 23 April 2024 (UTC)


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Category:Politicians of the Second Polish Republic
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Politicians of the Korean Empire
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Category:Politicians of the Kingdom of the Two Sicilies

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 * The result of the discussion was: manual merge. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  20:52, 21 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Politicians of the Kingdom of the Two Sicilies to selected parents
 * Nominator's rationale: Manual merge to parents as appropriate. E.g. although the lede for Ferdinando Petruccelli della Gattina says he was a politician, he seems rather to have been a journalist. If not merged, then rename to Category:Politicians from the Kingdom of the Two Sicilies using "from" as above. – Fayenatic  L ondon 15:26, 12 April 2024 (UTC)


 * Manually merge to Category:Kingdom of the Two Sicilies people if they belong there. If they don't, they also do not belong in this nominated category. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:03, 12 April 2024 (UTC)


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Category:Politicians of the Democratic Republic of Afghanistan
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Category:Hosts of the CCTV New Year's Gala

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure) House Blaster  (talk · he/him) 16:49, 19 April 2024 (UTC)


 * Propose deleting hosts of the cctv new year's gala
 * Nominator's rationale: WP:PERFCAT -- wooden superman  11:10, 12 April 2024 (UTC)


 * Delete, obvious application of the guideline. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:06, 12 April 2024 (UTC)


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Category:Sesame Street crew

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure) House Blaster  (talk · he/him) 16:49, 19 April 2024 (UTC)


 * Propose deleting sesame street crew
 * Nominator's rationale: Cast and crew fail WP:PERFCAT. -- wooden superman  09:59, 12 April 2024 (UTC)


 * Delete, obvious application of the guideline. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:08, 12 April 2024 (UTC)


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Category:Muppet performers
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Category:Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic developers

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure) House Blaster  (talk · he/him) 16:49, 19 April 2024 (UTC)


 * Propose deleting star wars
 * Nominator's rationale: Categorising by specific production follows the same logic as WP:PERFCAT.  is sufficient.  -- wooden  superman  09:42, 12 April 2024 (UTC)


 * Delete, in the spirit of WP:PERFCAT . Marcocapelle (talk) 16:10, 12 April 2024 (UTC)


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Category:Fallout (series) developers

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure) House Blaster  (talk · he/him) 16:49, 19 April 2024 (UTC)


 * Propose deleting fallout (series) developers
 * Nominator's rationale: Categorising by specific production follows the same logic as WP:PERFCAT.  is sufficient.  -- wooden  superman  09:41, 12 April 2024 (UTC)


 * Delete, in the spirit of WP:PERFCAT . Marcocapelle (talk) 16:10, 12 April 2024 (UTC)


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Category:Children of Humayun Ahmed
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 * The result of the discussion was: merge (non-admin closure) House Blaster  (talk · he/him) 16:49, 19 April 2024 (UTC)


 * Propose merging Category:Children of Humayun Ahmed to Category:Family of Humayun Ahmed
 * Nominator's rationale: WP:NOTINHERITED. Nearly all the other entries in  are historical/dynastic. -- wooden  superman  07:52, 12 April 2024 (UTC)


 * Merge, while I am not sure how WP:NOTINHERITED would apply here, it is not worth keeping this category with only two entries, this is not helpful for navigation. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:13, 12 April 2024 (UTC)
 * My understanding is that if notability is not inherited, then categorisation in this manner is not defining. -- wooden superman  17:09, 12 April 2024 (UTC)


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Lighthouses
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 * The result of the discussion was: Merge * Pppery * <sub style="color:#800000">it has begun... 00:04, 24 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Lighthouses completed in 1310 to Category:Lighthouses completed in the 14th century and Category:Transport infrastructure completed in 1310
 * Propose merging Category:Lighthouses completed in 1323 to Category:Lighthouses completed in the 14th century and Category:Transport infrastructure completed in 1323
 * Propose merging Category:Lighthouses completed in 1328 to Category:Lighthouses completed in the 14th century and Category:Transport infrastructure completed in 1328
 * Propose merging Category:Lighthouses completed in 1531 to Category:Lighthouses completed in the 16th century and Category:Transport infrastructure completed in 1531
 * Propose merging Category:Lighthouses completed in 1543 to Category:Lighthouses completed in the 16th century and Category:Transport infrastructure completed in 1543
 * Propose merging Category:Lighthouses completed in 1594 to Category:Lighthouses completed in the 16th century and Category:Transport infrastructure completed in 1594
 * Nominator's rationale: merge, isolated year categories. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:15, 12 April 2024 (UTC)


 * This nomination would surreptitiously empty "transport infrastructure" year categories (see Category:Transport infrastructure by year of completion). If a nomination would empty a differently-named layer, then it would be good practice to tag and list those categories. In this case, however, since Lighthouses are part of the Transport infrastructure hierarchy, merge but use "transport infrastructure" year categories as the second target in each case, rather than "infrastructure". – Fayenatic  L ondon 09:32, 13 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Nomination adapted accordingly. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:13, 14 April 2024 (UTC)


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Category:Mayor and cabinet executives
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 * The result of the discussion was: rename (non-admin closure) House Blaster  (talk · he/him) 16:49, 19 April 2024 (UTC)


 * Propose renaming Category:Mayor and cabinet executives to Category:Local authorities in England with elected mayor
 * Nominator's rationale: rename per actual content, the category does not contain articles about mayors but instead articles about local authorities. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:03, 12 April 2024 (UTC)


 * Support, the new name would certainly help reflect the existing content. --  Zanimum (talk) 23:05, 16 April 2024 (UTC)


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Category:Wikipedians who reject a sexual preference label
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Category:Fraggle Rock albums
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 * The result of the discussion was: merge (non-admin closure) House Blaster  (talk · he/him) 18:39, 20 April 2024 (UTC)


 * Propose merging Category:Fraggle Rock albums to Category:Fraggle Rock
 * Nominator's rationale: Only contains one article, this is the only category that it makes sense to merge to. (Oinkers42) (talk) 02:57, 12 April 2024 (UTC)


 * Merge, this is not an artists' albums category, Fraggle Rock is a television series. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:01, 12 April 2024 (UTC)


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Category:Children of princesses regnant
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 * The result of the discussion was: merge to Category:Princesses regnant. (non-admin closure) House Blaster  (talk · he/him) 18:39, 20 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Propose upmerging Category:Children of princesses regnant to Category:Princesses regnant and Category:Children of monarchs
 * Nominator's rationale: Aside from sons and daughters, I think no other subcategories are expected any time soon. That makes this a redundant layer to be dual-upmerged for now without prejudice. NLeeuw (talk) 01:13, 12 April 2024 (UTC)


 * Merge per nom, redundant category layer. But only to Category:Princesses regnant because the subcategories are already in the tree of Category:Children of monarchs. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:33, 12 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Oh well-spotted! Then we don't need a dual merge indeed. NLeeuw (talk) 16:34, 12 April 2024 (UTC)


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Category:American politicians who are the sole member of their party in statewide office
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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. Before I get to the analysis of how I reached a "delete" outcome, I want to say that this is one of the nastiest discussions I have seen in a while. Comments about editors (to arbitrarily pick one example, Editors insisting that this category is completely arbitrary is eyeroll-worthy) can easily be rephrased without attacking other editors (such as The idea that this category is completely arbitrary is eyeroll-worthy; this is not to say that is a particularly strong argument, but it is certainly stronger than attacking good-faith contributors).

Numerically this is a wash, with five editors supporting deletion to three editors wishing to keep the category. While discussions on Wikipedia are not votes, the head count is not completely irrelevant either. However, as was pointed out, some very blatant canvassing has taken place (1, 2, 3, 4). Discarding 's !vote, which was directly canvased at their talk page, we have five editors who support deletion to two editors who support keeping the category.

To overcome such numbers, the arguments in favor of keeping the category must be fairly strong. Supporters of keeping the category pointed to reliable sources which used "only statewide elected elected official of a given party" as descriptor of given politicians. People supporting deletion countered by saying they are trivial, arbitrary characteristics. Neither argument is particularly stronger than the other, so as closer it would be supervoting to close as keep in the face of more than 2:1 opposition.

As always, I welcome questions/comments/concerns about this close (or anything I have done in general!) at my talk page. (non-admin closure) House Blaster  (talk · he/him) 18:38, 20 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting american politicians who are the sole member of their party in statewide office
 * Nominator's rationale: Overcategorization as non-defining, trivial, narrow, possibly others. This category is also temporary. If a Republican wins in ME's 2nd congressional district this fall, then Susan Collins no longer qualifies. If Mary Peltola or Jon Tester lose reelection, they no longer qualify. Joe Manchin isn't running for reelection, so he comes out when his term expires. Also, as noted in the category, this can be incomplete or inaccurate as state supreme court justices are not always partisan, but they may be members of parties. – Muboshgu (talk) 00:56, 12 April 2024 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom. One might just as well create a Category:American politicians who like eating chips, live on the 3rd floor and are named Kyle. NLeeuw (talk) 01:16, 12 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:05, 12 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Keep Pretty much every complaint listed here is arbitrary, subjective and baseless. This is a key measure of partisanship and political party strength. It is relevant to understanding the electoral geography of the United States. Yes, circumstances will change with the occurrence of elections and require the page to be updated. That can be done easily and promptly. You have apparently invented your own rule requiring categories to be permanently included on pages. There are plenty of categories which require people to be "current" in holding a position. (Although your Maine example is obviously mistaken, considering the fact that the congressional district is not a statewide office, the Alaska and WV examples are true, but not a valid reason for deletion). The potato chip analogy is intellectually insulting - you are arguing that this key measure of partisanship in states is as relevant as someone's snack food preferences? With all due respect, that is ridiculous. The supreme court justice caveat is merely an acknowledgement that the affiliation of some offices cannot be reliably or consistently sourced. Warning editors against making baseless assumptions does not mean that the category is invalid. 1Matt20 (talk) 18:00, 12 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Just wanted to add Category:Current elections as one of many examples proving that there is no prohibition whatsoever on so-called "temporary" categories. Also, look at the tables on each of the pages included in Category:Political party strength in the United States by state. How is that strength measured? By color coding, letting the reader know when members of political parties last held statewide office or legislative control. This category isolates that information, leading the reader from a page about an individual politician to broader knowledge of ideological trends and electoral geography. 1Matt20 (talk) 18:23, 12 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Category:Current elections is a maintenance category populated by Current election. Category:Political party strength in the United States by state is a category of pages on political party strength, and while that strength changes, the pages in the category won't. Legit point on my error on Susan Collins. A Republican governor or senator elected in Maine would remove her from this category, though. That makes this non-defining for the politicians in the category for sure, as well as possibly other forms of overcategorization as listed on that page. So there's nothing "arbitrary, subjective, or baseless" about my nom. – Muboshgu (talk) 18:31, 12 April 2024 (UTC)
 * You have restated your personal belief that having to eventually remove a page from a category makes it non-defining. You are unable to actually point me to a categorization rule which requires every category to be binding forever. Wikipedia is edited responsively to reflect current events, and I can assure you I will keep this category updated to the occurrence of elections. You are unable to respond to my rebuttal that the supreme court justice caveat merely asks editors to not make unsourced assumptions based on the party of governors who appointed justices. Finally, before I created this category, other editors had already noted the politicians included as the sole remaining officeholders of their parties (quite prominently, on the intros of bio pages). Because that will change one day, must it be considered utterly irrelevant information on Wikipedia? 1Matt20 (talk) 18:46, 12 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. I think it is an arbcat and it isn't a defining characteristic for the people in the category. This seems arbitrary. Why not two office holders? Why not zero? Mason (talk) 21:14, 12 April 2024 (UTC)
 * I am having a very difficult time wrapping my head around this mentality. If there is only one statewide officeholder from a political party, it is a n clear sign of ideological domination and resource disparity. How on earth is that a meaningless consideration? Saying "Why not zero?" is pure sophistry. 1Matt20 (talk) 21:19, 12 April 2024 (UTC)
 * I'd like to delve specifically into what WP:ARBITRARYCAT uses as examples: Top 7% test scores, 100th episodes. These are indeed random markers - they don't tell you anything. If there is only one member of a political party left in statewide office, that is plainly informative about the state's partisan lean. It is notable because it is the most glaring signal possible of an officeholder's resistance to trends - they are unusually popular, their views don't reflect their party's typical base, etc. Hence why a person's status as final statewide officeholder is frequently cited in Wikipedia biographies as well as in the media. 1Matt20 (talk) 22:23, 12 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Do you have examples of person's status as final statewide officeholder being used as defining characteristic of the person? Because I really don't see how this is defining for the person. I think it's defining for the office or the party, but not the person. Mason (talk) 21:21, 13 April 2024 (UTC)
 * You are conjuring mutual exclusivity out of thin air. It is defining for the party, the office, and especially for the person - the individual whose name is actually on the ballot, whose unique public identity allows them to be the only statewide official from their party, resisting headwinds of power balance in their state.
 * I could go on and on with examples: Joe Manchin criticizes his party's incumbent president at an unusual rate and openly flirted with third-party registration. Mary Peltola votes against her party 12% of the time, the fourth highest of her colleagues, compared with just 6% defection rate by the average House Democrat. Susan Collins was the only Republican senator to vote against confirming Amy Coney Barrett to the Supreme Court. Although he is a Democrat, Brian Gaines was appointed Comptroller of South Carolina by a Republican in order to move the office on from a corruption scandal. Are you noticing a pattern yet? If you're the only statewide representative of your party left, you are incentivized to be a "maverick."
 * I expect you or the others on this thread to somehow contort each example into "not applying to the person." You are all making distinctions without differences, just arbitrarily splitting hairs at the cost of a category which streamlines comprehension of US political strategy and electoral geography. This perspective is baffling to me: "A holdout who defies the odds to be rewarded by the electorate for their unique image? Oh, that doesn't possibly mean anything." 1Matt20 (talk) 00:03, 14 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Keep as a less temporal version of Category:American politicians who are the most recent member of their party to hold statewide office. This category is widely discussed in mainstream reliable sources (though not by this specific name), as "maverick" politicians usually have outsize impact on American politics. --Habst (talk) 17:06, 17 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Alternative to deletion: split into two separate categories, Category:Sole Democrats in Republican-majority U.S. states and Category:Sole Republicans in Democratic-majority U.S. states, with further explanation in the category pages. --Habst (talk) 17:13, 17 April 2024 (UTC)
 * But why? BottleOfChocolateMilk (talk) 17:16, 17 April 2024 (UTC)


 * Keep Editors insisting that this category is completely arbitrary is eyeroll-worthy. If someone is the one and only member of their party holding statewide office in their state, that is very plainly noteworthy. News coverage of such officeholders frequently mention their status as the only Democrat/Republican holding statewide office in their state; see news coverage of Nicole Galloway, Nikki Fried, Rob Sand, Kim Wyman, etc. BottleOfChocolateMilk (talk) 17:16, 17 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Trivia is not defining. To use one example, the fact that Susan Collins is temporarily the only Republican elected to a statewide office does not define her. At various times during her career in the Senate, fellow Republicans Paul LePage and Olympia Snowe were also elected to statewide office. Her temporary status as the only statewide elected Republican is non-defining.--User:Namiba 17:37, 19 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Delete as arbitrary and temporary. Susan Collins is far from being the only Republican to have served in statewide office in Maine. This category is a classic example of WP:PRESENTISM.--User:Namiba 19:00, 17 April 2024 (UTC)
 * You are completely mistaken about what the category means. It is for politicians who are CURRENTLY the only statewide officeholder. 1Matt20 (talk) 19:02, 17 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Don't bludgeon the process. WP:BADGERING editors doesn't enhance your cause. I believe that this category should be deleted.--User:Namiba 19:14, 17 April 2024 (UTC)
 * I am simply responding to you. You'd be right if the category was named "American politicians who are the only member of their party to ever serve in statewide office." That is not the name, and therefore not the meaning. You are entitled to your belief and vote, even if it is based on a misinterpretation. I am entitled to respectfully engage until the discussion is closed. 1Matt20 (talk) 19:17, 17 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Comment: Canvassed by at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Politics and Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Biography (and also User talk:Tom.Reding and User talk:BottleOfChocolateMilk) with appeal for Keep votes, some description of arguments for deletion, and The Delete voters have been largely unresponsive, and even when they do respond, have been argumentatively selective and engage in sophistry. NebY (talk) 19:13, 17 April 2024 (UTC)


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Category:American Football (band)
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 * The result of the discussion was: withdrawn. (non-admin closure) Queen  of  Hearts 06:10, 12 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting american football (band)
 * Nominator's rationale: User:JDBauby just added all the albums into this category and that is not helpful for navigation. This should be deleted, the albums kept in their appropriate album-related categories and band members put into Category:American Football (band) members, leaving this main category too small to exist. ―Justin ( koa v f ) ❤T☮C☺M☯ 08:21, 4 April 2024 (UTC)
 * if everything was organised (albums -> discography, members -> band members, etc.), would it not be good to have a master category that held all of these subcategories? JDBauby (talk) 08:25, 4 April 2024 (UTC)

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 * Cleaned it up a bit. Three subcats (albums, songs, members) plus a discography page have been enough to keep such eponymous parent cats in the past. Star cheers peaks news lost wars Talk to me 22:38, 4 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Withdrawn Per above: three legit categories and three legit articles in the main category is the bare minimum. ―Justin ( koa v f ) ❤T☮C☺M☯ 03:03, 12 April 2024 (UTC)
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 * why have you relisted this? You could have closed it as withdrawn. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:09, 12 April 2024 (UTC)
 * @Marcocapelle, it was withdrew after I relisted. Queen of  Hearts 06:10, 12 April 2024 (UTC)


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Category:American insect pathologists
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 * The result of the discussion was: triple merge to all of the targets suggested. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  20:54, 21 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Propose splitting Category:American insect pathologists to Category:American entomologists and Category:Insect pathologists
 * Nominator's rationale: Dual upmerge. There are only two people in this category, which isn't helpful for navigation. Especially, when these are the only two pages in the Insect pathologists tree Mason (talk) 00:30, 4 April 2024 (UTC)

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 * Dual merge, but to Category:American entomologists and Category:American pathologists in the first place. Optionally triple merge to Category:Insect pathologists too, but as said that category is still very small. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:00, 4 April 2024 (UTC)
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 * Either of the Merge targets that Marcocapelle has proposed are fine with me Mason (talk) 21:21, 13 April 2024 (UTC)


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