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Category:Feminist historians
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Category:Trademark attorneys

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge all. (non-admin closure)  Toadette  ( Let's talk together! ) 22:30, 22 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Trademark attorneys to Category:Intellectual property lawyers
 * Propose merging Category:Copyright attorneys to Category:Intellectual property lawyers
 * Nominator's rationale: Do we really need to make the distinction for what kind of intellectual property law they practice? (With the exception for patent attorneys). Mason (talk) 20:47, 15 April 2024 (UTC)


 * Merge, the articles say they are specializing in intellectual property, broadly. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:06, 15 April 2024 (UTC)


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Category:Canadian criminal lawyers
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Category:Non-binary lesbians
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Category:San Quentin State Prison inmates

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename to Category:Inmates of San Quentin State Prison. (non-admin closure)  Toadette  ( Let's talk together! ) 22:35, 22 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:San Quentin State Prison inmates to Category:Inmates of San Quentin State Prison
 * Nominator's rationale: This is the naming convention for prison inmates. See Category:Inmates of Alcatraz Federal Penitentiary, Category:Inmates of ADX Florence, Category:Inmates of Sing Sing, Category:Inmates of the Marshalsea, Category:Inmates of Sighet prison, Category:Inmates of Pitești prison, etc. The only time the convention is "Category:X inmates" is where X is a ghetto, e.g. Category:Łódź Ghetto inmates. Dennis C. Abrams (talk) 17:09, 15 April 2024 (UTC)


 * Support per nominator's rationale jengod (talk) 23:29, 19 April 2024 (UTC)


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Category:Fictional characters by political orientation
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Category:Pourashavas of Bangladesh
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Category:Students of Ziaur Rahman Azmi

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge to Category:Sunni Muslim scholars of Islam. (non-admin closure)  Toadette  ( Let's talk together! ) 22:14, 22 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Students of Ziaur Rahman Azmi to Category:Sunni Muslim scholars of Islam
 * Nominator's rationale: Small category, fails WP:OCASSOC -- wooden superman  13:09, 15 April 2024 (UTC)


 * Merge per nom, and "students" categories are used for people who are only notable as a student. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:35, 15 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Support per nom and marco. Mason (talk) 03:34, 18 April 2024 (UTC)


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Category:Ziaur Rahman Azmi

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 * The result of the discussion was: Delete Bengal editor's (duplicate) !vote has been disregarded because they are a sock. * Pppery * it has begun... 00:07, 24 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming deleting Category:Ziaur Rahman Azmi to Category:Books by Ziaur Rahman Azmi
 * Nominator's rationale: Per WP:OCEPON: Individual works by a person should not be included in an eponymous category but should instead be in a sub-category such as. -- wooden superman  07:52, 15 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Rename per nom.  (talk | contribs) 07:54, 15 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Disagree, there can be another category naming that such as Category:Hussain Ahmad Madani and Category:Books by Hussain Ahmad Madani. Bengali editor (talk) 09:23, 15 April 2024 (UTC)
 * The difference there is that contains other articles which aren't books, thus warranting an WP:EPONCAT, this one doesn't. -- wooden  superman  09:37, 15 April 2024 (UTC)


 * Note. has created, so  can now be deleted. -- wooden  superman  09:39, 15 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Disagree I added another category on the category Category:Students of Ziaur Rahman Azmi. Please include Zakir Naik also in this category because I am a new editor and the page Zakir Naik is for extended confirmed. Bengali editor (talk) 11:42, 15 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Delete, standard case of WP:OCEPON considering that the students category will not be kept either (see nomination above). Marcocapelle (talk) 19:49, 15 April 2024 (UTC)


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Category:American Jewish billionaires

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 * The result of the discussion was: Delete * Pppery * it has begun... 00:07, 24 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting american jewish billionaires
 * Nominator's rationale: I haven't done much editing in categorization recently, so maybe the rules have changed, but this one sure reeks of a WP:OCEGRS problem to me. At the very least, there ought to be community consensus (rather than the actions of a single editor) that this intersection is sufficiently noteworthy and unbiased to merit inclusion; I do not believe it is, certainly not without context. Chubbles (talk) 07:39, 15 April 2024 (UTC)


 * Delete per WP:OCEGRS. There is no Category:American Christian billionaires, Category:American atheist billionaires, Category:American Muslim billionaires, Category:American Hindu billionaires, Category:American White billionaires, Category:American Black billionaires, Category:American Asian billionaires, Category:American Hispanic billionaires, etc. either. This does seem like framing Jews as exceptionally rich, which is a common anti-Semitic stereotype. As long as similar categories do not exist, reasons for having and keeping this one alone are rather doubtful. NLeeuw (talk) 17:39, 15 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Side note - there is a Category:African-American billionaires, and I will leave it to the community to decide if this, too, ought to be nominated. Chubbles (talk) 05:17, 16 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Fair point. It could be a follow-up, but at least its parent Category:African-American upper class has a main article: African-American upper class. That might be sufficient to establish its notability. NLeeuw (talk) 15:43, 16 April 2024 (UTC)
 * @Chubbles permission to add Category:American Asian billionaires to the nomination? The same user has just created this a few hours ago as an empty category. NLeeuw (talk) 16:25, 17 April 2024 (UTC)
 * I tagged this empty category for CSD C1 speedy deletion today. Liz Read! Talk! 02:27, 18 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:50, 15 April 2024 (UTC)
 * In fact I presume a merge needs to take place to Category:American billionaires rather than plain deletion. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:56, 21 April 2024 (UTC)


 * Delete because Jews. It is an WP:OCEGRS category premised on an antisemitic stereotype. –LaundryPizza03 ( d c̄ ) 05:17, 17 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom and EGRS. (For the record, I think that African American billionaires probably hold-ups to EGRS, but that's because of the very recent history of us economics, https://www.ncrc.org/the-racial-wealth-divide-and-black-billionaires-across-the-globe/) But for Jewish billionaires that seems to me playing much more into negative stereotypes rather than economic gains/academic interest) Mason (talk) 03:34, 18 April 2024 (UTC)


 * C'on! Really?! On what basis? This is simply a category, what would you do if I created an article? How is that anti-Semitic stereotyping? If so, why don't you just delete all reference to people's religions in their respective articles?! Being successful is not a crime. To address the nominator's points, as they mentioned above, there exists an Category:African-American billionaires, I have also created Category:Asian American billionaires, Category:Arab American billionaires. I emptied Category:American Asian billionaires since I thought Category:Asian American billionaires is more correct linguistically and more in line with the reference to that group. I will also create a category for American Hispanic billionaires. Furthermore, what prevents anyone here from creating a category for all other groups (Muslims, Hindus, Buddhists, etc.) if that's your argument for not allowing this category? Amr ibn Kulthoumعمرو بن كلثوم (talk) 19:49, 21 April 2024 (UTC)
 * I also just created Category: American Italian billionaires, which somehow weirdly created another Category:Italian American billionaires category. One of them can be deleted. Amr ibn Kulthoumعمرو بن كلثوم (talk) 20:05, 21 April 2024 (UTC)
 * All these should be merged too. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:56, 21 April 2024 (UTC)


 * Delete per WP:OCEGRS. Congrats to all the billionaires of any nationality or ethnicity on your money, please pay your tax bills in full. jengod (talk) 21:53, 21 April 2024 (UTC)


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Category:Neo-Latin writers
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Category:Yemeni scientists by century

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 * The result of the discussion was: Merge * Pppery * <sub style="color:#800000">it has begun... 00:07, 24 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Yemeni scientists by century to Category:Yemeni scientists
 * Nominator's rationale: Upmerge for now. There is only one century in here, which is unhelpful for navigation Mason (talk) 04:18, 15 April 2024 (UTC)


 * Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:32, 15 April 2024 (UTC)


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Category:Politicians arrested in Yemen
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 * The result of the discussion was: merge to Category:Prisoners and detainees of Yemen. (non-admin closure)  Toadette  ( Let's talk together! ) 22:22, 22 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Politicians arrested in Yemen to Category:Prisoners and detainees of Yemen
 * Nominator's rationale: Non-defining intersection of occupation and location of arrest. Mason (talk) 04:12, 15 April 2024 (UTC)


 * Merge, we shouldn't have "arrested" categories anyway. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:34, 15 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Merge per nom and Marco. NLeeuw (talk) 17:42, 15 April 2024 (UTC)


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Category:Marching
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 * The result of the discussion was: selective merge to Category:Parades and disambiguate. (non-admin closure) House Blaster  (talk · he/him) 15:18, 3 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Propose purging marching
 * Nominator's rationale: Purge or reparent. Are pride parades part of military traditions? There's already Category:Military marching and Category:Military marches. -- MikutoH talk! 02:33, 15 April 2024 (UTC)


 * Selectively merge to Category:Parades and turn the page into a disambiguation page, per WP:SHAREDNAME. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:36, 15 April 2024 (UTC)
 * are you okay with this outcome?<span id="HouseBlaster:1714256073087:WikipediaFTTCLNCategories_for_discussion/Log/2024_April_15" class="FTTCmt"> House Blaster  (talk · he/him) 22:14, 27 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Yeah. It would be a good decision for me. -- MikutoH talk! 22:28, 29 April 2024 (UTC)


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Category:Electronic rock musicians
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Category:Aphex Twin songs
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 * The result of the discussion was: implement NL's proposal. Namely, rename Category:Aphex Twin songs to Category:Compositions by Aphex Twin, and re-parent to Category:Compositions by composer. Then merge Category:Songs written by Aphex Twin to the newly-renamed Category:Compositions by Aphex Twin. (non-admin closure) House Blaster  (talk · he/him) 04:39, 23 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Aphex Twin songs to Category:Aphex Twin tracks
 * Nominator's rationale: (Or maybe "Aphex Twin compositions".) Strictly speaking, songs contain singing. Aphex Twin tracks have no singing, or no singing in the traditional sense. For example, it is not really accurate to describe Avril 14, a piano instrumental, as a "song". Popcornfud (talk) 17:07, 22 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Lean oppose. Don't other categories have non-singing songs in them? I don't think it's helpful for navigation to make the distinction between songs that contain vocal tracks and those that do not. Mason (talk) 20:26, 22 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Just for clarity, I'm not proposing we create separate tracks for vocal and instrumental Aphex Twin tracks, just keeping a single category and renaming it. (There are very few, if any, Aphex Twins that could really be called "songs" in my view, and I also suspect the habit of calling non-vocal tracks "songs" tends to be an Americanism, but that's probably by the by.) Popcornfud (talk) 21:14, 22 March 2024 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Qwerfjkl  talk  12:33, 30 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Comment, Category:Aphex Twin compositions would well fit as a subcategory of Category:Compositions by composer. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:19, 23 March 2024 (UTC)
 * That would work for me. Mason (talk) 20:06, 23 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Would that not also be redundant to Category:Songs written by Aphex Twin? Star cheers peaks news lost wars Talk to me 15:35, 25 March 2024 (UTC)
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Relisting comment: Comments on NL's proposal would be very much appreciated! Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, House Blaster  (talk · he/him) 22:04, 7 April 2024 (UTC) Relisting comment: ....and I forgot to tag Category:Songs written by Aphex Twin last week. Oops. If there are no further comments by next week, we should be all set for implementing NL's proposal. Apologies for the delay/third relisting. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, House Blaster  (talk · he/him) 00:22, 15 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Starcheerspeaksnewslostwars seems to be right, this should be a merge or reverse merge. Marcocapelle (talk) 13:44, 30 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Comment. I don't have very strong opinions on this. Mason (talk) 19:29, 30 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Alt Rename Category:Aphex Twin songs to Category:Compositions by Aphex Twin, and re-parent to Category:Compositions by composer per Marcocapelle (and Mason);
 * & merge Category:Songs written by Aphex Twin to Category:Compositions by Aphex Twin per Starcheerspeaksnewslostwars. Category:Songs written by Aphex Twin was created 15 January 2016‎; Category:Aphex Twin songs was created 21 October 2007‎, is therefore older, and therefore should be the merge target. This seems to be a comprehensive solution to all issues observed above. NLeeuw (talk) 14:35, 4 April 2024 (UTC)
 * <p class="xfd_relist" style="margin:0 0 0 -1em;border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 2em;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Love it! Mason (talk) 00:17, 8 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Should I ping the other participants to ask their opinion? They might not have read this, but I don't want to unnecessarily alert people. NLeeuw (talk) 06:39, 8 April 2024 (UTC)
 * This final solution is surely in line with my earlier comments. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:13, 8 April 2024 (UTC)
 * @Marcocapelle Don't you mean 'certainly'? I often see you use the word 'surely' where I expect the word 'certainly'. As far as I know, in English, 'surely' is usually used in a question sentence to someone else, asking them to confirm something you would expect / like them to believe, or to say, or to do / to have done. 'Surely you locked the door, didn't you?' It's like the English equivalent of '...toch zeker wel...?' See the usage notes at https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/surely because [surely] connotes strong affirmation, it is used when the speaker or writer expects to be agreed with. Unlike sure it may be used neutrally—the reader or hearer may or may not agree, and it is often used when the writer is trying to persuade.
 * Surely you must admit that it was a good decision.
 * In this case, it's like you're asking yourself whether you agree with your own earlier comments. 'Deze oplossing is toch zeker wel in lijn met mijn eerdere opmerkingen?' There is nobody who can answer that question except for you. NLeeuw (talk) 06:33, 9 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Then my "surely" should be read as "certainly". Happy to improve my English vocabulary. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:35, 9 April 2024 (UTC)
 * You're welcome! NLeeuw (talk) 00:26, 10 April 2024 (UTC)
 * <p class="xfd_relist" style="margin:0 0 0 -1em;border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 2em;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Ah no worries HouseBlaster. :) NLeeuw (talk) 17:47, 15 April 2024 (UTC)


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