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Category:Christian anti-Zionism

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkl  talk  11:25, 27 April 2024 (UTC)

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 * Propose deleting christian anti-zionism
 * Nominator's rationale: delete, not as a matter of principle, but there are only two articles in it, one for which anti-Zionism is a POV judgment and the other is anti-Christian Zionism which is quite something different than Jewish Zionism. E.g. Christian Zionism asserts a parallel idea that the returnees ought to be encouraged to reject Judaism and adopt Christianity as a means of fulfilling biblical prophecies. Marcocapelle (talk) 09:41, 1 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Oppose. As long as Category:Christian Zionism exists, I don't see any reason to get rid of this category. AHI-3000 (talk) 21:17, 3 April 2024 (UTC)
 * The reason for that is the existence of Christian Zionism as a separate movement with quite a different agenda than Zionism. They are not Zionists who happen to be Christians but rather adherents of Christian_Zionism. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:31, 4 April 2024 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Support per nom. Mason (talk) 23:16, 13 April 2024 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


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Category:Anti-Zionist Christians

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkl  talk  11:25, 27 April 2024 (UTC)

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 * Propose deleting anti-zionist christians
 * Nominator's rationale: delete, the category contains people with widely diverging views, from antisemitism to advocy of Palestinian human rights, but generally it has very little to do with Christian theology. If applicable, articles are better off in Category:American Zionists etc. than in a specific Christian category. Marcocapelle (talk) 09:49, 1 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Support per nom. Mason (talk) 21:56, 1 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Oppose. As long as Category:Christian Zionists exists, I don't see any reason to get rid of this category. AHI-3000 (talk) 21:16, 3 April 2024 (UTC)
 * The reason for that is the existence of Christian Zionism as a separate movement with quite a different agenda than Zionism. They are not Zionists who happen to be Christians but rather adherents of Christian_Zionism. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:30, 4 April 2024 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


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Category:Anti-mainlander sentiment in Hong Kong

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge (non-admin closure) Queen of &#x2661;  &#124;  speak  00:10, 25 April 2024 (UTC)


 * Propose deleting anti-mainlander sentiment in hong kong
 * Nominator's rationale: "Anti-mainlander sentiment" is not a defining characteristic of the articles that have been placed in this category, which are about subjects that may be more accurately or commonly described as reflecting a "pro-democracy", "localist", or "anti-Chinese Communist Party" sentiment. The category name is also biased in favour of a narrative promoted by the Chinese government – the Hong Kong pro-democracy movement was portrayed as "anti-mainlander" to help cement Chinese public opinion against Hong Kong democracy activists. Citobun (talk) 23:28, 16 April 2024 (UTC)


 * Delete or merge to Category:Hong Kong democracy movements, the two categories seem to overlap. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:13, 17 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Move the title to Category:Anti-Chinese sentiment in Hong Kong. There is a difference between the pro-democracy movement and the anti-mainlander sentiment. Among the latter, some simply antagonize the CCP, but others antagonize the mainlander's people. However, many Hong Kongers see it as better to change the title than delete it, as they distinguish their identity from the [mainland] Chinese people. ProKMT (talk) 08:03, 18 April 2024 (UTC)
 * I do not see how e.g. Milk Tea Alliance can be understood as anti-mainlander or anti-Chinese sentiment. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:50, 18 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Delete the category article itself is a completely different matter. I am well aware of the oppression of CCP in Hong Kong, but at the same time, I am also aware of discrimination against the mainlander 'people'. Even before I edited it, many articles related to Hong Kong topics included Category:Anti-Chinese sentiment in Asia. ProKMT (talk) 07:04, 19 April 2024 (UTC)
 * None of the articles fits well with the category title. As said, they are much more about the Hong Kong democracy movements. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:47, 20 April 2024 (UTC)


 * Keep and rename per title of, or merge to or to Marcocapelle's . 58.152.55.172 (talk) 10:09, 23 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Otherwise rename to Anti-Chinese sentiment in Hong Kong per the Indonesian and the Japanese counterparts, or merge to both Hong Kong–China relations and Marcocapelle's proposed target. 58.152.55.172 (talk) 08:44, 24 April 2024 (UTC)


 * Delete or merge per Marco. Mason (talk) 13:44, 23 April 2024 (UTC)


 * @Queen of Hearts: Where to merge to? 58.152.55.172 (talk) 16:25, 28 April 2024 (UTC)


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Category:Deaths due to hippopotamus attacks

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. This is a variation of a WP:BARTENDER close: Rather than relist for further discussion on whether Menes belongs in Category:Deaths due to animal attacks or not, further discussion on this point can take place at Talk:Menes. No prejudice against nominating the sibling categories for merging/deletion. (non-admin closure) House Blaster  (talk · he/him) 02:38, 24 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting deaths due to hippopotamus attacks
 * Nominator's rationale: Not a defining characteristic of the sole member. * Pppery * it has begun... 20:55, 16 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Delete per nomination. QuietHere (talk &#124; contributions) 00:27, 17 April 2024 (UTC)


 * Merge to Category:Deaths due to animal attacks rather than plain deletion. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:15, 17 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Agree with merge, not delete. I also think was can do the same for some of the other solo member animal death categories, Deaths due to rhinoceros attacks‎, Deaths due to cougar attacks‎, meet this criteria as well. Mason (talk) 03:38, 18 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Agree with merging these siblings too. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:52, 18 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Merge + merge rhino & cougar siblings to Category:Deaths due to animal attacks per Marco & Mason. NLeeuw (talk) 21:29, 19 April 2024 (UTC)
 * @Pppery Could you add rhinos and cougars to the nom if you agree? NLeeuw (talk) 21:30, 19 April 2024 (UTC)
 * I think this discussion has been hijacked into something other than what I originally started it as, and hence those should be a different discussion. On the merge versus delete issue, do any of you really think the pharoh Menes is defined by some legend about how he died? That's not how my understanding of defining characteristics works. * Pppery * it has begun... 21:33, 19 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Seconding Pppery here. I don't see what about Menes's article would make his death defining. It's not even clear if it actually happened that way. I think it'd be worth removing Accidental deaths in Egypt and Hunting accident deaths from the article too. QuietHere (talk &#124; contributions) 23:42, 19 April 2024 (UTC)
 * There is only one original source about him being killed by an animal, but one source is not uncommon in ancient history. It is a not a reason to not believe it per se. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:59, 20 April 2024 (UTC)


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Category:Orange Twin albums

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge (non-admin closure) House Blaster  (talk · he/him) 02:29, 24 April 2024 (UTC)


 * Propose merging Category:Orange Twin albums to Category:Orange Twin Records albums
 * Nominator's rationale: Orange Twin is a redirect to Orange Twin Records. These categories refer to the same record label. QuietHere (talk &#124; contributions) 20:49, 16 April 2024 (UTC)


 * Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:16, 17 April 2024 (UTC)


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Category:Citizens of Indonesia through descent

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 * The result of the discussion was: purge&merge. (non-admin closure)  Queen of &#x2661;  &#124;  speak  00:11, 25 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Citizens of Indonesia through descent to Category:People with acquired Indonesian citizenship
 * Nominator's rationale: Per precedent at Categories for discussion/Log/2024 April 8 and Categories for discussion/Log/2022 November 17, purge and merge to Category:People with acquired Indonesian citizenship. House Blaster  (talk · he/him) 20:38, 16 April 2024 (UTC)


 * Purge and merge per precedent. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:17, 17 April 2024 (UTC)


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Category:History of Austria-Hungary by topic

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge (non-admin closure) House Blaster  (talk · he/him) 02:33, 24 April 2024 (UTC)


 * Propose merging Category:History of Austria-Hungary by topic to Category:History of Austria-Hungary
 * Nominator's rationale: merge, redundant category layer with only two subcategories. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:35, 16 April 2024 (UTC)


 * Meanwhile one of the subcategories has been nominated for deletion, probably leaving even only one subcategory here. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:41, 23 April 2024 (UTC)


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Category:Unrecognized tribes in the United States
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Category:Indian massacres
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Category:Intersex transgender people
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Category:Volodimerovichi family
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Infrastructure

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 * The result of the discussion was: no consensus. (non-admin closure)  Queen of &#x2661;  &#124;  speak  00:15, 25 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Infrastructure to Category:Buildings and structures
 * Propose merging Category:Infrastructure by century of completion to Category:Buildings and structures by century of completion
 * Propose merging Category:Infrastructure by decade of completion to Category:Buildings and structures by decade of completion
 * Propose merging Category:Infrastructure by year of completion to Category:Buildings and structures by year of completion
 * Propose merging Category:Infrastructure by location to to Category:Buildings and structures by location
 * Nominator's rationale: merge, strongly overlapping scope. (Of course if there is consensus about this, then all subcategories need to be nominated as well.) Marcocapelle (talk) 18:58, 31 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Support. I think this is a really good idea. (However, if the decision ends with Keep, think we'd need to have a really really clear definition in the category description to support maintenance. ) Mason (talk) 19:06, 31 March 2024 (UTC)
 * For what it's worth, I think this category should remain as is. :) KīlaueaGlows (talk) 06:57, 5 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Leaning oppose. Some of the subcategories of Category:Infrastructure would be seemingly out of place in Category:Buildings and structures. For instance Energy infrastructure‎, Category:Infrastructure of the Holocaust, Category:History of infrastructure, Category:Infrastructure investment and Category:IT infrastructure wouldn't make sense as subcategories of .Category:Buildings and structures. Pichpich (talk) 21:27, 31 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Ok, then for the top category it is too early to be merged. The subcategories by date and location are set categories, and items of infrastructure are always buildings or structures, so this objection does not apply to these subcategories. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:57, 1 April 2024 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Qwerfjkl  talk  19:33, 8 April 2024 (UTC) Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Qwerfjkl  talk  17:50, 16 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Oppose I've been looking at some categories about canals and they are appropriately categorized under "infrastructure" rather than "buildings and structures". I think with their addition and that of other similar categories. "structure" would become so broad (anything that is built?) as to become almost meaningless. There might be some overlap here but I think that the solution might be to change "buildings and structures" to just "buildings" and leave "infrastructure" be. Liz Read! Talk! 22:38, 5 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Looking at more categories, it looks like some "infrastructure" categories are placed under the parent categories of "buildings and structures" which I think is more appropriate than merging the two. Liz <sup style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: #006400;">Read! Talk! 22:44, 5 April 2024 (UTC)
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Category:16th-century Roman Catholic bishops in Portuguese Macau
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 * The result of the discussion was: merge to Category:Roman Catholic bishops of Macau. (non-admin closure) House Blaster  (talk · he/him) 00:51, 28 April 2024 (UTC); amended (I had previously closed this as "rename".) 15:03, 28 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:16th-century Roman Catholic bishops in Portuguese Macau to Category:16th-century Roman Catholic bishops in Macau
 * Nominator's rationale: sibling are all called Category:Roman Catholic bishops in Macau, even though those were also during the time of Portuguese Macau (1557–1999) . Category:19th-century Roman Catholic bishops in Macau‎ Category:20th-century Roman Catholic bishops in Macau Mason (talk) 18:12, 31 March 2024 (UTC)


 * Shouldn't they all be bishops of Macau? Per List of bishops of Macau. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:40, 31 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Hmmmm, I've been thinking of them like a country of work category, like that's where the bishop is serving, as opposed to the dioses. If we changed it to "of" Macau, would that mean that all the bishops would also have to be in the parent category? Category:XXXX-century Roman Catholic bishops in China (or Asia)? My goal is to make all the categories consistent, and possibly avoid having a perpetual edit war over the parent country category. Mason (talk) 18:51, 31 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Category:Roman Catholic bishops of Macau would be alike Category:Roman Catholic bishops of Dhaka and many similar categories. Surely the century Macau categories should be merged to Asia as well. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:12, 31 March 2024 (UTC)
 * That would be fine with me. Although I think that the merge target should probably be China for the 20th and 21st centuries. Mason (talk) 22:10, 3 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Just for twelve days in the 20th century? Domingos Lam served between 1988 and 2003 (i.e. across 1999) and the article already belongs to both the 20th- and 21st-century categories. His successor José Lai served between 2003 and 2016. 219.77.182.250 (talk) 15:01, 25 April 2024 (UTC)


 * With all respect this isn't and shouldn't be an entirely mechanical process as you put it. You have to read and understand the subject as well. 58.152.55.172 (talk) 08:30, 11 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Long story short, there were bishops appointed to dioceses elsewhere who served and were based in Macau (e.g. as administrators of the diocese, which covered an area large enough to be subdivided into hundreds of dioceses in the following centuries). These were bishops in Macau but not Bishops of Macau. 58.152.55.172 (talk) 08:30, 11 April 2024 (UTC)
 * That may be the case but that does not match with the content of this category tree. Bishops in these categories were bishops of Macao. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:17, 26 April 2024 (UTC)


 * Reverse rename. That was the Portuguese period, and there was a time when it was a província ultramarina. 219.77.182.250 (talk) 13:14, 1 April 2024 (UTC)
 * What does that even mean? Mason (talk) 00:57, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
 * It is obvious that it was Portuguese, that does not have to be added to the category name per se. Marcocapelle (talk) 04:14, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Then name the categories accordingly. 58.152.55.172 (talk) 09:07, 3 April 2024 (UTC)
 * No, I am just saying that it is not necessary. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:16, 8 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Not necessary per se; but, as I read it, not something that cannot and shouldn't be done. 58.152.55.172 (talk) 08:30, 11 April 2024 (UTC)
 * A province, an overseas one. 58.152.55.172 (talk) 09:33, 23 April 2024 (UTC)

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 * Keep. Rename the 17th to 20th-century categories accordingly and make them along with the 16th-century category under the tree of Category:Portuguese Macau. 58.152.55.172 (talk) 08:55, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
 * FYI, these are all the same IP and a well-known one at that WP:LTA/HKGW Mason (talk) 13:54, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Huh? 58.152.55.172 (talk) 09:07, 3 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Could you at least make your attempt to sockpuppet less obvious? Mason (talk) 22:08, 3 April 2024 (UTC)
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 * @Marcocapelle, @Smasongarrison, do you agree on the rename target Category:Roman Catholic bishops of Macau?<span id="Qwerfjkl:1714219306370:WikipediaFTTCLNCategories_for_discussion/Log/2024_April_16" class="FTTCmt"> — Qwerfjkl  talk  12:01, 27 April 2024 (UTC)
 * For sure, bishops are bishops of a diocese in the first place. Marcocapelle (talk) 12:38, 27 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Yep. Seems like a good solution to me. Mason (talk) 19:32, 27 April 2024 (UTC)
 * @Qwerfjkl: That will exclude articles such as Melchior Carneiro, Antonio do Rosário, Diogo Correia Valente, Ignacio da Silva and Cândido Gonçalves Franco. 58.152.55.172 (talk) 16:23, 28 April 2024 (UTC)


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Recipients of the Sahitya Akademi Award
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Category:Recipients of Indian civil awards and decorations
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 * The result of the discussion was: no consensus. (non-admin closure)  Queen of &#x2661;  &#124;  speak  00:18, 25 April 2024 (UTC)
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 * Nominator's rationale: WP:OCAWARD  Pepper Beast    (talk)  21:03, 8 April 2024 (UTC)

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 * Delete per nom. The above awards aren't worth an exception from WP:OCAWARD, they are not comparable to a Nobel prize. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:39, 9 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Keep. We're not starting this again, are we? Most of these are clearly notable and defining. They include the Bharat Ratna, the highest civilian honour that can be awarded by India, and the Kaisar-i-Hind Medal, an extremely prestigious award given in British India. If they're not defining, then what on earth is? WP:OCAWARD certainly does not say that awards have to be comparable to a Nobel Prize; neither does it say that only international awards should be categorised, which is what such a suggestion implies. The deletion rationale is entirely spurious and ridiculously brief. -- Necrothesp (talk) 09:51, 9 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Keep I find it very hard to believe that a category based on India's highest civilian honour is not appropriate as defining. If that is the argument then the entire category tree at Category:Order of the British Empire, which contains about a hundred subcategories and many thousands of articles should be added to this nomination. As should the substantial category tree at Category:Recipients of United States civil awards and decorations. By singling out one country this nomination makes no sense. AusLondonder (talk) 15:22, 12 April 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Temples (LDS Church) in Latin America
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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure)  Toadette Edit! 17:38, 23 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting temples (lds church) in latin america
 * Nominator's rationale: WP:OVERLAPCAT: all pages are already in child Category:Temples (LDS Church) in South America or its subcategories, or in sibling Category:Temples (LDS Church) in North America or its subcategories. Thus it has little navigational value and just adds category clutter to the articles. NLeeuw (talk) 16:52, 16 April 2024 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:27, 16 April 2024 (UTC)


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Category:Transport and the Mercosur
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 * The result of the discussion was: upmerge. (non-admin closure)  Toadette Edit! 17:44, 23 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Propose upmerging Category:Transport and the Mercosur to grandparent Category:Mercosur
 * Propose upmerging Category:Economy of the Mercosur to parent Category:Mercosur
 * Nominator's rationale: Category:Transport and the Mercosur has 1 P, 0 C. Upmerge to grandparent Category:Mercosur for now without prejudice. Dual merge won't be necessary, I put the only article (Vehicle registration plates of the Mercosur) in sibling Category:Road transport in South America already. The upmerging will empty Category:Economy of the Mercosur, which was already a redundant layer; it should also be upmerged for now without prejudice (merging instead of deletion for logging purposes). NLeeuw (talk) 15:25, 16 April 2024 (UTC)


 * Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:28, 16 April 2024 (UTC)


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Category:Jewish nobility
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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure)  Toadette Edit! 17:35, 23 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting jewish nobility
 * Nominator's rationale: arbirtrary and irrelevant intersection by ethnicity. I found this category added to Yehudi Menuhin on my watchlist and I'm about to revert it because, while it's true that he was Jewish and that he was a Life peer, the intersection of these facts (especially the latter one) in a category seems more than a little bizarre and "non-defining", because he was by far best known as a violinist. There are probably many other examples just like this one. Graham87 (talk) 09:39, 8 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Oppose, this is a well-populated category. AHI-3000 (talk) 17:14, 8 April 2024 (UTC)

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 * Delete, trivial intersection, the articles are rightfully in the tree of Category:British nobility, Category:French nobility etc. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:49, 8 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Oppose I would argue that being part of an aristocracy that historically excluded Jews is not trivial, and that is reflected by List of British Jewish nobility and gentry and List of European Jewish nobility existing. -- Willthacheerleader18 (talk) 01:41, 9 April 2024 (UTC)
 * In a list there's room to explain this sort of thing. In a category link at the end of an article there isn't. See Categories, lists, and navigation templates. Graham87 (talk) 12:52, 9 April 2024 (UTC)
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 * Delete per nom. Graham87 has a good point that lists allow for context that categories don't. But I am not in favour of listification either, as the net here has evidently been cast far too wide. E.g. someone like James Goldsmith (picked at random) has nothing to do with "nobility". NLeeuw (talk) 15:38, 16 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Delete as per nom. It is another example of a non-useful, mostly meaningless category created by intersecting two unrelated traits. We don't have categories for Christian, Muslim, or Hindu nobility and we shouldn't have one for Jewish nobility either. 220.235.78.155 (talk) 03:30, 18 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom and other users. It's a specific category that's already filled within the various subcategories for nobility per nationality. Furthermore, as mentioned above, there is no specific category for other major religions like Christians or Muslims. Clear Looking Glass (talk) 10:08, 18 April 2024 (UTC)


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Category:Canadian military personnel from Kelowna
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Category:Lists of ambassadors to Northern Cyprus
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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure)  Toadette Edit! 17:32, 23 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting lists of ambassadors to northern cyprus
 * Nominator's rationale: Category created just to hold one list. This would be fine if there were multiple lists to file here, but is not necessary for just one -- but given that Northern Cyprus is a disputed territory which is diplomatically recognized only by Turkey, it's impossible to file multiple lists here. The list is already in, which is all that's needed in context -- but this category isn't necessary if it will only ever contain one list. Bearcat (talk) 13:53, 16 April 2024 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom. NLeeuw (talk) 15:39, 16 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:31, 16 April 2024 (UTC)


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Category:Public high schools in Chicago suburbs
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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure)  Toadette Edit! 17:29, 23 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting public high schools in chicago suburbs
 * Nominator's rationale: Recreation at a new name of a category previously deleted last year per Categories for discussion/Log/2023 May 25. Again, the same issue remains as last time: we categorize schools by the places that they're in, but we do not categorize schools by the places that the places they're in happen to be near. Bearcat (talk) 13:30, 16 April 2024 (UTC)


 * Delete, the articles are already in Category:Public schools in Illinois where they properly belong. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:36, 16 April 2024 (UTC)


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Category:LGBT-related music
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Category:Songs against capitalism
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Category:Songs against racism and xenophobia
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 * The result of the discussion was: rename to Category:Songs about racism and xenophobia. (non-admin closure)  Toadette Edit! 17:22, 23 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Songs against racism and xenophobia to Category:Songs about racism and xenophobia
 * Nominator's rationale: Generally our songs by topic categories are 'about' not 'against'. Ex. Category:Songs about poverty. See also Category:Songs about social issues. I suggest renaming this; the other category that may need similar treatment would be Category:Songs against capitalism (subcat to Category:Songs about consumerism, not Category:Songs against consumerism...). <sub style="border:1px solid #228B22;padding:1px;">Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 02:25, 16 April 2024 (UTC)


 * Rename per nom, for consistency. Marcocapelle (talk) 04:53, 16 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Support renaming. J 1982 (talk) 10:54, 16 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Neutral, as as I said with the songs about/against capitalism nomination, many of these songs have lyrics which are quite clearly critical of racism and/or xenophobia. With the songs about poverty or consumerism, those songs aren’t explicitly against the subject of said topics as much but are more about the topic itself and its effects. Velociraptor888 (talk) 23:35, 18 April 2024 (UTC)


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Category:Dos Santos family (Angolan business family)
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Category:.io video games
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 * The result of the discussion was: no consensus. (non-admin closure) House Blaster  (talk · he/him) 02:27, 24 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting .io video games
 * Nominator's rationale: Non-defining trait. This simply indicates that the game in question has it's web hostname in the .io TLD. It is akin to having a category for ".com video games", ".org video games", etc. There is no connection between these games from a developer, publisher, or otherwise manner. -- ferret (talk) 16:08, 29 March 2024 (UTC)

Relisting comment: I will note the TfD was closed as delete, FWIW. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Qwerfjkl  talk  17:53, 8 April 2024 (UTC) Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, House Blaster  (talk · he/him) 01:53, 16 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Delete non-defining descriptor. - Altenmann >talk 16:58, 29 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Strong Keep please read Templates for discussion/Log/2024 March 29 to see related arguments. Cheers!  Johnson  524  03:51, 30 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Better write an article about it, with proper sourcing, as mentioned in the other discussion. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:36, 30 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Keep, per my reasoning from the TFD that sources consider ".io games" a genre, but unlike my conclusion in the TFD, keep the category as genre is CATDEF. ~  A412  talk! 16:37, 30 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Lean delete. This doesn't seem defining. Mason (talk) 19:30, 30 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Keep - Valid game genre per above sources, plus,  --Mika1h (talk) 23:36, 3 April 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Recipients of the Padma Shri in literature & education
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