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Category:Legacy of Austria-Hungary

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge (non-admin closure) Queen of &#x2661;  &#124;  speak  00:07, 25 April 2024 (UTC)


 * Propose merging Category:Legacy of Austria-Hungary to Category:History of Austria-Hungary
 * Nominator's rationale: I'm not sure how this category is defining. These just seem to be long-lasting historical events Mason (talk) 19:00, 17 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Well, the average reader would associate the term "History of Austria-Hungary" with events that happened during Austria-Hungary. "Legacy of Austria-Hungary" would be things that are not just placed coterminously, but exist after it, and many of them to this day. As for being defining, they're all pretty clearly associated with Austria-Hungary in the article and in their sources, did you notice any particular ommissions to this? --Joy (talk) 19:10, 17 April 2024 (UTC)


 * Delete, it is a hogdepodge of articles that have very little in common with each other. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:03, 17 April 2024 (UTC)
 * @Marcocapelle yes, the thing they have in common with each other is that they're legacy of Austria-Hungary. Similar to many other categorizations. Why do you think this could not be useful to the average English reader researching this historical topic? --Joy (talk) 14:31, 18 April 2024 (UTC)
 * I am very sorry but I can't see why someone interested in the Death and funeral of Otto von Habsburg would also be interested in the Landesbank für Bosnien und Herzegowina. It is too far a stretch to bring this together in one category. There is also no article Legacy of Austria-Hungary nor reliable sources about a Legacy of Austria-Hungary that would suggest the abovementioned topics belong together under this umbrella. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:21, 18 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Merge per nom and WP:ARBITRARYCAT. What is and is not "legacy" is often arbitrary, and claims of legacy often fall in the realm of pseudohistory. Categories are not the best place to assess the validity of those claims. The Death and funeral of Otto von Habsburg is a great example: you can always claim it is the "legacy" of something; not just Austria-Hungary, but the entire Holy Roman Empire, and by extension the Roman Empire, and by extension Ancient Greece, and so on. (Sounds very WP:ASSOCIATEDWITHy to me). Categories would be a mess if we went that way. Strictly speaking, it happened in 2011, is therefore not part the History, which ended in 1918, so it should be Purged. NLeeuw (talk) 15:01, 19 April 2024 (UTC)


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Category:Arctic music

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure) Queen of &#x2661;  &#124;  speak  00:07, 25 April 2024 (UTC)


 * Propose deleting arctic music
 * Nominator's rationale: WP:ARBITRARYCAT. Mostly irrelevant intersection of geography and music by country/ethnicity category trees. The overwhelming majority of the population in each of these countries lives outside the Arctic (that is, below the Arctic Circle of 66° 34' N. Iceland entirely lies below the Article Circle, except for the northernmost tip of the islet of Grímsey, which due to plate tectonics will also be completely south of the Circle within a few years. All inhabitants of Iceland live below it. Classifying all Category:Icelandic music as "Arctic music", because a stonethrow of diminishing beach is above an arbitrary circle, is ridiculous. Similar arguments can be made for all the rest of this category. No musician in Toronto is thinking: 'Oh, my music is sooo Arctic!' Anyway, you get the idea. NLeeuw (talk) 18:00, 17 April 2024 (UTC)
 * For the last part, is it like an equivalent of the “Do you live in igloos?” question? I do know there are Arctic tribes that had their own music and the Inuit are a good example of this. SpinnerLaserzthe2nd (talk) 18:09, 17 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Sure, but Inuit people can and do live south of the Arctic Circle as well, and that doesn't seem to affect their music in any way. People are mobile, they can live and migrate all around the world. Even within Nunavut and Greenland, where most Inuit live (see Inuit), the majority of them live below the Arctic Circle of 66° 34' N, see List of communities in Nunavut. Last I checked, there is no Category:Temperate zone music either. That line on the map has no significance for music whatsoever. NLeeuw (talk) 19:08, 17 April 2024 (UTC)


 * Delete, trivial intersection. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:05, 17 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Comment I might add that Arctic music redirects to Inuit music, which has its own subcategory Category:Inuit music. NLeeuw (talk) 14:47, 19 April 2024 (UTC)


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Category:Songs from animated series

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename (non-admin closure) Queen of &#x2661;  &#124;  speak  00:06, 25 April 2024 (UTC)


 * Propose renaming Category:Songs from animated series to Category:Songs written for animated series
 * Nominator's rationale: Per precedent at Categories for discussion/Log/2024 February 1, rename and purge. House Blaster  (talk · he/him) 17:52, 17 April 2024 (UTC)


 * Rename per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:06, 17 April 2024 (UTC)


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Category:Disney animation songs

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge (non-admin closure) Queen of &#x2661;  &#124;  speak  00:06, 25 April 2024 (UTC)


 * Propose merging Category:Disney animation songs to Category:Disney songs
 * Nominator's rationale: Only contains one redirect . Upmerge for now; unhelpful for navigation. I have purposefully left out the other two parent categories as merge targets: Der Fuehrer's Face (a cartoon that I would highly recommend you watch!) is not really a series (and thus the song does not belong in Category:Songs from animated series) and the song itself has no animation. House Blaster  (talk · he/him) 17:51, 17 April 2024 (UTC)


 * Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:06, 17 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Upmerge for now without prejudice. Unhelpful at this time. Not sure it will never be helpful in the future, as the majority of Disney films are animated, and how a song is visualised may not be WP:DEFINING, but who knows. NLeeuw (talk) 14:49, 19 April 2024 (UTC)


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Category:Maharajas of Punjab, India

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename as unopposed. (non-admin closure)  Queen of &#x2661;  &#124;  speak  00:06, 25 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Maharajas of Punjab, India to Category:Maharajas in Punjab
 * Nominator's rationale: rename and remove header: anachronistic category name, since Punjab, India did not exist yet. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:42, 17 April 2024 (UTC)


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Category:French people in New Caledonia

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure) Queen of &#x2661;  &#124;  speak  00:05, 25 April 2024 (UTC)


 * Propose deleting french people in new caledonia
 * Nominator's rationale: New Caledonia is part of France, so I'm not convinced of the usefulness of this category (which contains only two pages). It does not seem helpful to navigation and is listed as part of the French expatriates category tree which seems inaccurate. AusLondonder (talk) 13:11, 17 April 2024 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom. The term "expatriate" does not apply when residing within the borders of the country of one's nationality. NLeeuw (talk) 15:20, 17 April 2024 (UTC)


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Category:Inbred animals

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 * The result of the discussion was: soft delete. Based on minimal participation, this uncontroversial nomination is treated as an expired PROD (a.k.a. "soft deletion"). Editors can request the category's undeletion . (non-admin closure)  Queen of &#x2661;  &#124;  speak  00:05, 25 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting inbred animals
 * Nominator's rationale: Description is erroneous and most dog breeds are arguably inbred, this is a very subjective/specific list that ultimately has more to do with the perception of whoever added the category. Traumnovelle (talk) 07:19, 17 April 2024 (UTC)


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Category:Sydney New Year's Eve

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure) House Blaster  (talk · he/him) 12:05, 24 April 2024 (UTC)


 * Propose deleting sydney new year's eve
 * Nominator's rationale: This category seems to be WP:NONDEFINING as it appears to just be a collection of locations in Sydney where fireworks are set off on New Year's Day. BaduFerreira (talk) 01:56, 17 April 2024 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:08, 17 April 2024 (UTC)


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Category:Crackers (food)

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 * The result of the discussion was: keep. Noting that nomination was lukewarm at best about a rename. (non-admin closure) House Blaster  (talk · he/him) 12:02, 24 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Crackers (food) to Category:Crackers
 * Nominator's rationale: Should Category:Crackers (food) be disambiguated if nothing exists at Category:Crackers? Not sure, so I'm nominating this for discussion. BaduFerreira (talk) 00:41, 17 April 2024 (UTC)


 * Oppose, Cracker is a disambiguation page. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:09, 17 April 2024 (UTC)


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Category:Democratic Labor Party (historical) members of the Parliament of Victoria

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename as unopposed. (non-admin closure) Queen of &#x2661;  &#124;  speak  00:03, 25 April 2024 (UTC)


 * Propose renaming Category:Democratic Labor Party (historical) members of the Parliament of Victoria to Category:Democratic Labor Party (Australia, 1955) politicians members of the Parliament of Victoria
 * Nominator's rationale: There's multiple Democratic Labor Parties that can be considered historical. Although the disambiguation-less version is available and not occupied by any other categories, it seems appropriate to still include the Australian 1955? As to differentiate it from other Democratic Labor Parties in some fashion. Utopes (talk / cont) 00:28, 17 April 2024 (UTC)


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Category:Democratic Labor Party (historical) politicians

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename (non-admin closure) Queen of &#x2661;  &#124;  speak  00:02, 25 April 2024 (UTC)


 * Propose renaming Category:Democratic Labor Party (historical) politicians to Category:Democratic Labor Party (Australia, 1955) politicians
 * Nominator's rationale: The associated page with this category was recently moved, as there are multiple Democratic Labor Parties that can be described as "historical". This category and associated titles should be moved to a more fitting name, but I'm not sure whether there's a more preferable / succinct way of renaming to focus on this being the Australian, 1955 Democratic Labor Party. Utopes (talk / cont) 00:21, 17 April 2024 (UTC)


 * Speedy rename per WP:C2B per Democratic Labor Party (Australia, 1955), I think. The moves represent a newly established naming convention that may be applied with speed. NLeeuw (talk) 15:05, 19 April 2024 (UTC)


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