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Category:Combined authority mayoralties

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename (non-admin closure) House Blaster  (talk · he/him) 12:56, 29 April 2024 (UTC)


 * Propose renaming Category:Combined authority mayoralties to Category:Combined authority and combined county authority mayoralties
 * Nominator's rationale: The Category:Combined authorities was renamed Category:Combined authorities and combined county authorities, to reflect the renaming of the article page to Combined authorities and combined county authorities. This proposal seeks to mirror this in relation to CA and CCA mayoralties. UnicornSherbert (talk) 21:36, 21 April 2024 (UTC)


 * Rename, for consistency. Marcocapelle (talk) 04:59, 22 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Note: there is at last one mayor of a CCA (Mayor of the East Midlands). – Fayenatic  L ondon 15:02, 25 April 2024 (UTC)


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Category:Remote viewing
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Category:Rajputana Agency

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename (non-admin closure) House Blaster  (talk · he/him) 12:57, 29 April 2024 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Toadette  ( Let's talk together! ) 21:14, 21 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Rajputana Agency to Category:States under the Rajputana Agency
 * Propose renaming Category:Kathiawar Agency to Category:States under the Kathiawar Agency
 * Nominator's rationale: rename per actual content of the category (and purge the main article which still can be kept in the header). Reparent the first one under Category:Princely states of Rajasthan. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:39, 14 April 2024 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


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Category:Languages with Linglist code

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename to Category:Language articles with Linglist code. (non-admin closure) House Blaster  (talk · he/him) 15:19, 5 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting languages with linglist code
 * Nominator's rationale: WP:NONDEF.  Pepper Beast    (talk)  14:07, 6 April 2024 (UTC)

Relisting comment: Keep as a maintenance category, or delete? Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, House Blaster  (talk · he/him) 04:22, 14 April 2024 (UTC) Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Toadette  ( Let's talk together! ) 21:13, 21 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:21, 6 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Keep This is a maintenance category. It's needed to help ensure that our language articles are reliably sourced. — kwami (talk) 19:16, 6 April 2024 (UTC)
 * You just turned it into a maintenance category, but it is not clear that any sort of maintenance is required for articles in this category. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:16, 7 April 2024 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Comment It seems that "Linglist" is a standard parameter in Template:Infobox language that refers to an external site. E.g. Abipón language has linglist=axb.html, which apparently automatically links it to https://web.archive.org/web/20160808200116/http://multitree.org/codes/axb.html. So what seems to be going on is that there is some system which automatically links the Linglist parameter input to an archived url at multitree.org. If there is a bot actively archiving all those URLs to prevent linkrot, that seems to be maintenance, and a category could be helpful for that. But I have no expertise in this field. NLeeuw (talk) 14:42, 14 April 2024 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


 * Rename to Category:Language articles with Linglist code matching various others in Category:Language infobox tracking categories which start with "Language articles". – Fayenatic  L ondon 15:05, 25 April 2024 (UTC)
 * does this work for you? House Blaster  (talk · he/him) 04:45, 5 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Sure. It makes little difference what it's called, as long as the infobox template is adjusted accordingly so it doesn't populate the old category. — kwami (talk) 04:51, 5 May 2024 (UTC)
 * I am withdrawing from the discussion. Please ignore all my above comments. Marcocapelle (talk) 12:13, 5 May 2024 (UTC)


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Category:Wikipedians who reject a sexual preference label

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename to Category:Wikipedians who reject a sexual orientation label. (non-admin closure) House Blaster  (talk · he/him) 13:04, 29 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting wikipedians who reject a sexual preference label
 * Nominator's rationale: delete, this is a variation of WP:OC/U. Note that this nomination does not imply to object to any of the userboxes. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:41, 12 April 2024 (UTC)


 * Keep. This isn't a OC/U#not-based; it's a category that doesn't slot into binary or otherwise pigeonholing labeling. Deleting this would also strongly suggest deleting any other u-boxes that don't equate to "gay" or "straight" (like bi, pansexual, etc.) So, what next? Are we going to erase non-binary and intergender editors as "not-based" for not agreeing to be labeled male or female? Don't people have more pressing things to attend to than trying to police other people's u-boxes, for no encyclopedically-constructive or editor-relations-and-understanding-building rationale?  The  we do not want truly not-based u-boxes or categories that are simply the opposites of affirmative ones is that they are seen as redundant: simply leaving the affirmative one off is taken to imply its opposite. While this is actually very poor reasoning, because it obviously fails to take into account that there is a difference between "I am the opposite of this category", "I didn't even know about this/these category/categories", and "I don't care enough about this/these category/categories to bother with them", even this faulty rationale does not apply here, because not identifying particularly as gay or straight isn't the opposite of being gay or straight, it's simply different adjacent category within the same spectrum/area.  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  07:15, 12 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Again, this nomination is not about the userboxes but about the category. The category does not consist of users collaborating on a specific topic area, so the userboxes are sufficient. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:43, 12 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Ah. That wasn't entirely clear to me. See below about Category:Wikipedians interested in LGBT issues.  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  06:16, 16 April 2024 (UTC)
 * I question the collaborative value of the entire Category:Wikipedians by sexuality/Category:LGBT+ Wikipedians tree, given WP:UCFD/I, but I agree the "not-based" rationale doesn't apply and this is no different than its kindred so weak keep * Pppery * it has begun... 17:45, 12 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Agree on the larger point too, it is Category:Wikipedians interested in LGBT issues that serves the proper purpose. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:52, 13 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Maybe, then, the categories should merge there and the templates be adjusted to use it and its subcats?  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  06:16, 16 April 2024 (UTC)
 * That would not necessarily be what users try communicating with their userbox. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:11, 22 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Keep per, this is another branch of LGBT+. I also agree with the others that LGBT+ is being treated as a special label when other demographics do not get such treatment. The established reason for this is that LGBT+ people have profound social connectivity that many other demographics, like straight people in general, lack. Some evidence of this is many other category talks including those listed at Category talk:Gay Wikipedians, an article for the demographic at LGBT and Wikipedia, and an organization for the demographic at meta:Wikimedia LGBT+. Public evidence of this demographic getting Wikipedia related harassment is at Talk:LGBT_and_Wikipedia. Categories like this one are part of the process for finding ways to surface and report the private evidence and harassment stories against such editors. Bashing LGBT+ people is part of the politics in most countries, so this is a necessary category for peer-to-peer advocacy.  Bluerasberry   (talk)  15:51, 13 April 2024 (UTC)

Relisting comment: I'll note that the related discussion Categories for discussion/Log/2024 April 7 closed as merge. Participants may also be interested in that discussion. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Qwerfjkl  talk  20:58, 21 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Comment. Is there a reason this category refers to sexual preference instead of sexual orientation? --Trystan (talk) 18:39, 15 April 2024 (UTC)
 * I can't think of a good one. It's probably just an artifact of the wording preferences of someone a long time ago.  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  06:16, 16 April 2024 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


 * If not deleted, I agree that "preference" should be changed to "orientation" for consistency. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:18, 21 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Delete or rename to substitute "orientation" for "preference". This category does not relate to a binary or non-binary gender, but rather someone's sexual orientation. An editor may be confused about their sexual orientation and it is not for Wikipedia to decide their sexual orientation for them. The merge discussion cited above would also be of no purpose because the category really would be in relation to someone unable to make their mind up whether they are a certain sexual orientation or not. UnicornSherbert (talk) 21:41, 21 April 2024 (UTC)


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Category:Muppet performers
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Category:Politicians of the Democratic Republic of Afghanistan
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Politicians of the Korean Empire
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Category:Politicians of the Second Polish Republic
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Native American artists by gender
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Category:Crafts deities

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 * The result of the discussion was: split into Category:Construction deities and Category:Handicraft deities, without prejudice against a separate discussion to rename the handicraft category along the lines of Johnbod's proposal. There's no consensus on what name to give it, but I have to pick one somehow. * Pppery * it has begun... 21:00, 21 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Crafts deities to Category:Craft deities
 * Propose renaming Category:Crafts gods to Category:Craft gods
 * Propose renaming Category:Crafts goddesses to Category:Craft goddesses
 * Nominator's rationale: Just plain better English.  Pepper Beast    (talk)  16:17, 3 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Support AHI-3000 (talk) 21:19, 3 April 2024 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Queen of  Hearts 02:57, 11 April 2024 (UTC) Relisting comment: Any further comments on splitting? Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Qwerfjkl  talk  20:41, 21 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Weak oppose I think what is meant here is wikt:craft meaning #7 plural: A branch of skilled work or trade, especially one requiring manual dexterity or artistic skill, but sometimes applied equally to any business, calling or profession; the skilled practice of a practical occupation. So it's a bit like a patron saint of a branch of handicraft professions. I worry that by making it singular, "craft" can be misunderstood for any of its many other meanings, such as "vehicle" (aircraft, spacecraft etc.; I wouldn't be surprised if some religion came up with that if Pope John Paul II in 1997 could retroactively declare Isidore of Seville the "patron saint of the internet"), or as a colloquial conjugation of the verb "to craft", "craft(ed) gods", compare "graven images", human-made "idols" of gods. But I'm not a native English speaker so I'm not sure if this is a significant risk. NLeeuw (talk) 13:29, 4 April 2024 (UTC)
 * I kind of see your point, actually, but 'crafts' is not the solution. I'd be ok with, say, handicraft deities.  Pepper Beast    (talk)  07:40, 5 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Why is it not? I suppose it reads a lot better with 'the': "the crafts", just like "the arts", "the humanities". Some things are better in plural. Then again, "deities of the crafts" sounds a bit cumbersome. At any rate, would "handicraft deities" be correct for the contents of these categories? NLeeuw (talk) 10:18, 5 April 2024 (UTC)
 * I think handicraft fits pretty well, going by the articles I had a look at. Sorry, I ama native speaker, and I can't tell you why some noun modifiers can be plural and some not, but "crafts Gods" is just not normal English. Probably the same reason we don't have cars mechanics or brains surgeons :-)  Pepper Beast    (talk)  12:30, 5 April 2024 (UTC)
 * I'm a little worried that handicraft has connotations of a hobby or at best "artisanal" activity, distinct from mainstream manufacturing. In a pre-industrial society, activities like weaving and smithing are mainstream, the only ways clothes and metal objects are produced. Does it help that the ancient Greek word is τέχνη, techne, (the root of technical, technology and technique and by no means merely a philosophical concept as our article claims), translated as skill, craftsmanship, art, craft, technique, design and other such, rather than as handicraft? NebY (talk) 14:15, 5 April 2024 (UTC)
 * I see your point, too, but none of those suggestions strikes me as a really superior choice. A few years ago, I would have said artisan was perfect, but it seems to have gone all lumpy socks and unsliceable bread. Artificer seems too stilted.  Pepper Beast    (talk)  14:28, 5 April 2024 (UTC)
 * @Pepperbeast Ah! But you do have sales managers, liberal arts professors, arms dealers... ;) But alright, I'll drop my Weak oppose. It's probably okay. NLeeuw (talk) 17:28, 5 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Now I'm fretting about this very small point. "War gods" is clearly better than "wars gods"; the singular stands for the general. But Hephaestus, for example, was a smith god, not a god of all craft/handicraft, so is a member of the set of deities of various crafts.... Aargh. NebY (talk) 14:17, 6 April 2024 (UTC)
 * I find "gods of handicrafts" in the authoritative standard text Greek Religion by Walter Burkert, translated from the German by John Raffan. I often got the impression that Burkert's phrasing was better in German than could be translated but still, it seems "handicrafts" may be the best English term a good translator could find. Reckon I should stop worrying and accept it! It's better than either "craft" or "crafts". NebY (talk) 14:11, 6 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Okay, but what are you proposing as an alt rename then? Handicraft deities or Handicrafts deities?
 * And does choosing handicraft mean excluding larger-scale construction works in stoneworking/stonecraft such as bridge-building and, well, "building-building", as well as woodworking / carpentry such as shipbuilding? Because that would mean a significant narrowing of the scope, and I don't think any of us is advocating that. NLeeuw (talk) 16:50, 6 April 2024 (UTC)
 * We currently include deities of shipbuilding and bridgebuilding? I'm beginning to think it's too complicated for me to suggest anything. NebY (talk) 18:33, 6 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Well I was just being hypothetical, but if we look at some random examples:
 * Arazu a god of construction who built and restored temples.
 * Coyotlinahual a god of featherwork
 * Athena a goddess of handicraft
 * Brigid a goddess of smithing
 * Maliya a goddess associated with gardens and with artisanship, specifically with leatherworking and carpentry.
 * Mama Ocllo a goddess of weaving, sewing, and household duties.
 * Hedjhotep a god of fabrics and clothes and, to a lesser extent, of weaving and the deceased
 * Nunura a god of pottery
 * Ptah patron deity of craftsmen and architects
 * Vishvakarma deity of craftsmen, architects, crafters of chariots and weapons, city-builder.
 * Quetzalcoatl related to wind, Venus, Sun, merchants, arts, crafts, knowledge, and learning.
 * Uttu a goddess of weaving
 * Minerva a goddess of wisdom, justice, law, victory, and the sponsor of arts, trade, and strategy.
 * Ninmug a goddess of artisanship, especially with metalworking, as evidenced by her epithet tibira kalamma, "metalworker of the land."
 * I don't see a really clear pattern here. Some articles do not seem to mention anything to do with "the crafts" at all (like Minerva being responsible for lots of things, but not really "the crafts"), and might have to be Purged from this tree. Part of them could reasonably be called deities of handicrafts like Athena, Nunura, and Hedjhotep. Others seem to be about larger structures, buildings, cities even. Architects design buildings, not decorative small objects normally associated with "handicrafts". I guess it was my mistake thinking that "handicrafts" and "crafts" meant the same, but evidently handicrafts are a subset of the crafts. NLeeuw (talk) 20:20, 6 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Thanks for doing the legwork! I am uncertain that users of English distinguish handicrafts from crafts consistently. I haven't tried a survey; serendipitously, last night I read "the development of farming techniques, building skills, craft traditions such as pottery, trade networks" (Amélie Kuhrt, The Ancient Near East). NebY (talk) 13:29, 7 April 2024 (UTC)
 * I can understand NebY's reaction. Shouldn't we rather split this to handicraft on the one hand and building/construction on the other hand? Marcocapelle (talk) 20:06, 6 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Perhaps, if the literature supports such a division. But lots of articles in this tree do not seem to mention any "crafts" at all, or I just don't properly understand the term. NLeeuw (talk) 20:22, 6 April 2024 (UTC)
 * I think such a split would make sense. We can easily conceive of a set that includes all of building, construction, weaving, smithing and pottery, and in at least one language it can easily be given a name. I fear that in English it can't and so en-wiki can't usefully have such a category. NebY (talk) 13:36, 7 April 2024 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


 * Split to Category:Handicraft deities/Category:Construction deities, Category:Handicraft gods/Category:Construction gods, and Category:Handicraft goddesses/Category:Construction goddesses. To make this easier on a closer, does this work for you, House Blaster  (talk · he/him) 13:44, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Support split AHI-3000 (talk) 17:52, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
 * That seems fine to me. I see a general division between deities for jobs creating handheld items and jobs for construction of buildings/cities or ships. (Carpentry/woodworking, smithing/metalworking and stonecraft/stoneworking/masonry does include a wide range of objects, such as furniture or heavy weapons / siege weapons (e.g. a scorpio (weapon) or small ballista, which you can carry, but are quite heavy for just 1 person), which are somewhere between "handheld" and "buildings/ships", so maybe there is no such thing as a clean split between "handicrafts" and "construction" here). But by now, I have concluded that my non-native English vocabulary around (pre-modern) labour terminology may simply be woefully inadequate to be very useful in this discussion. I do hope that my listing of examples above helps other participants to get a sense of the contents of this category tree. NLeeuw (talk) 05:06, 14 May 2024 (UTC)
 * I'm beginning to think that English is woefully inadequate for this task! And those examples have certainly helped me see the current and potential scope better. NebY (talk) 16:14, 14 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Oppose and "handicraft" is completely useless for core trades such as metalworking, so strongly oppose any use of that. "Deities of skilled trades" etc. seems better. Johnbod (talk) 16:05, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Okay, but isn't that too vague? It is my understanding that the trades under discussion involves skills in creating objects with wood, metal, stone etc., from handheld items to ships to buildings. Most trades/jobs require some sort of skill, like fishing or shepherding, but those do not involve creating such objects. NLeeuw (talk) 05:21, 14 May 2024 (UTC)
 * I'm open to suggestions that don't include "craft", or still worse "handicraft", which in modern English inevitably imply an amateur hobby. I don't think the distinction you make above between handheld and larger objects helps - the skills are generally the same, for different materials. Do you have any evidence at all that the cultures with the deities made this distinction? Johnbod (talk) 15:30, 14 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Fishing and shepherding may require some sort of skill but are not generally called trades. Our article Tradesperson - one of the targets of Trade (disambiguation) - has several lists of many skilled trades whose deities, if they had any, would fit comfortably in this category: bootmaker, brewer, shipwright, plumber, bicycle mechanic .... (I don't know if there is a Hindu deity of bicycle mechanics but if there is, their inclusion here would be as appropriate as the inclusion of those of farrier, shipwright, rope-maker or potter). There are bound to be edge cases (sex trades?) but "skilled trades" seems markedly better than craft, crafts and handicrafts. NebY (talk) 16:10, 14 May 2024 (UTC)


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Category:Redirects from translations

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename to Category:Redirects from alternative translations. (non-admin closure) House Blaster  (talk · he/him) 02:43, 29 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Redirects from translations to Category:Redirects from alternative translations
 * Nominator's rationale: To match the name of the rcat template - R from alternative translation - and the parent category - . All the best, &zwj;—&zwj; a smart kitten <sub style="color:#595959">[  meow ] 18:15, 21 April 2024 (UTC)


 * Rename per nom. – Fayenatic  L ondon 07:54, 26 April 2024 (UTC)


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Category:Rātana politicians
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Category:20th-century Latgalian ceramists
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 * The result of the discussion was: merge (non-admin closure) House Blaster  (talk · he/him) 02:42, 29 April 2024 (UTC)


 * Propose splitting Category:20th-century Latgalian ceramists to Category:20th-century Latvian ceramists and Category:Latgalian ceramists
 * Nominator's rationale: Dual Upmerge. There's no need to diffuse 20th-century Latvian ceramists by region. There are only nine Latgalian ceramists in the entire tree. Mason (talk) 15:45, 21 April 2024 (UTC)


 * Dual merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:18, 21 April 2024 (UTC)


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Category:Rātanas
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 * The result of the discussion was: rename as per nom, and procedural nomination for Category:New Zealand Rātanas as a follow up. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  17:20, 30 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Rātanas to Category:Rātana
 * Nominator's rationale: This category is more about the Rātana faith overall than adherents to the faith. As such, it should be singular rather than plural. In any case, as a Māori word, the plural would simply be Rātana. Because of this, I was also tempted to add the category for renaming to something like, but given that all other religious adherents categories simply use an -s suffixed plural, I've left that as is. Grutness...  wha?   15:18, 21 April 2024 (UTC)


 * Te Haahi Ratana should be merged in Rātana, following talk page discussion, and thereafter we do not need this category any longer. Rātana is already referred to in the header of the remaining Category:New Zealand Rātanas. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:53, 21 April 2024 (UTC)
 * That would be true if they were the only articles in the category. That's no longer the case. There are several articles which were not in the category simply because of its confusing name. Grutness... wha?   04:34, 22 April 2024 (UTC)
 * I see, then a rename would improve it. Rātana movement would probably even be clearer (and the category name following that). Marcocapelle (talk) 04:53, 22 April 2024 (UTC)
 * That would make sense, too, although the main article is at Rātana. Mind you, if there's an article merge in the offing, then a name change at the same time might be possible too. Grutness... wha?   13:59, 22 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Rename to Rātana, or second choice Rātana movement, and keep but rename to  or   per WP:SEPARATE. <span style="font-family:Avenir, sans-serif">— HTGS (talk) 00:23, 23 April 2024 (UTC)
 * That's not a bad idea, given that >95% of Rātana adherents would be New Zealanders. Grutness... wha?   03:14, 23 April 2024 (UTC)
 * I would prefer so that  also clearly belongs to it. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:21, 23 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Also fine by me. Grutness... wha?   13:21, 23 April 2024 (UTC)


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Punjabi people by occupation
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Category:Pro-Russian Traitors
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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) House Blaster  (talk · he/him) 02:42, 29 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting pro-russian traitors
 * Nominator's rationale: Violates NPOV by calling people listed in category "traitors." Peter Hitchens was listed by category creator as a member but I reverted it as a BLP violation. Thebirdlover (talk) 13:26, 21 April 2024 (UTC)


 * Comment This category has been emptied. Liz <sup style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: #006400;">Read! Talk! 16:17, 21 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:02, 21 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. QuietHere (talk &#124; contributions) 01:03, 23 April 2024 (UTC)


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Category:WAMPAS Baby Stars
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 * The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure) House Blaster  (talk · he/him) 02:42, 29 April 2024 (UTC)


 * Propose deleting wampas baby stars
 * Nominator's rationale: The article about this category states this was a promotional campaign, not an award. As such, it seems non-defining. User:Namiba 13:12, 21 April 2024 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:03, 21 April 2024 (UTC)


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"(Artworks/Art) depicting (subject)"
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 * The result of the discussion was: rename (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkl  talk  17:17, 30 April 2024 (UTC)


 * Paintings
 * Propose renaming Category:Paintings depicting Abraham to Category:Paintings of Abraham
 * Propose renaming Category:Paintings depicting Adam and Eve to Category:Paintings of Adam and Eve
 * Propose renaming Category:Paintings depicting Agatha of Sicily to Category:Paintings of Agatha of Sicily
 * Propose renaming Category:Paintings depicting Andrew the Apostle to Category:Paintings of Andrew the Apostle
 * Propose renaming Category:Paintings depicting Bathsheba to Category:Paintings of Bathsheba
 * Propose renaming Category:Paintings depicting Cain and Abel to Category:Paintings of Cain and Abel
 * Propose renaming Category:Paintings depicting Christ Crowned with Thorns to Category:Paintings of Christ Crowned with Thorns
 * Propose renaming Category:Paintings depicting Christ in the Garden of Gethsemane to Category:Paintings of Christ in the Garden of Gethsemane
 * Propose renaming Category:Paintings depicting Christ washing the disciples' feet to Category:Paintings of Christ washing the disciples' feet
 * Propose renaming Category:Paintings depicting Cleopatra to Category:Paintings of Cleopatra


 * Propose renaming Category:Paintings depicting David to Category:Paintings of David
 * Propose renaming Category:Paintings depicting Diana (mythology) to Category:Paintings of Diana (mythology)
 * Propose renaming Category:Paintings depicting Elijah to Category:Paintings of Elijah
 * Propose renaming Category:Paintings depicting Gabriel to Category:Paintings of Gabriel
 * Propose renaming Category:Paintings depicting George IV to Category:Paintings of George IV
 * Propose renaming Category:Paintings depicting Greek deities to Category:Paintings of Greek deities
 * Propose renaming Category:Paintings depicting Greek myths to Category:Paintings of Greek myths
 * Propose renaming Category:Paintings depicting Hebrew Bible people to Category:Paintings of Hebrew Bible people
 * Propose renaming Category:Paintings depicting Hebrew Bible people by book to Category:Paintings of Hebrew Bible people by book
 * Propose renaming Category:Paintings depicting Hebrew Bible prophets to Category:Paintings of Hebrew Bible prophets
 * Propose renaming Category:Paintings depicting Hebrew Bible themes to Category:Paintings of Hebrew Bible themes
 * Propose renaming Category:Paintings depicting Heracles to Category:Paintings of Heracles
 * Propose renaming Category:Paintings depicting Isaac to Category:Paintings of Isaac
 * Propose renaming Category:Paintings depicting Jacob to Category:Paintings of Jacob
 * Propose renaming Category:Paintings depicting Jesus to Category:Paintings of Jesus
 * Propose renaming Category:Paintings depicting John the Apostle to Category:Paintings of John the Apostle
 * Propose renaming Category:Paintings depicting John the Baptist to Category:Paintings of John the Baptist
 * Propose renaming Category:Paintings depicting John the Evangelist to Category:Paintings of John the Evangelist
 * Propose renaming Category:Paintings depicting Joseph (Genesis) to Category:Paintings of Joseph (Genesis)
 * Propose renaming Category:Paintings depicting Judas Iscariot to Category:Paintings of Judas Iscariot
 * Propose renaming Category:Paintings depicting Judith to Category:Paintings of Judith
 * Propose renaming Category:Paintings depicting Julius Caesar to Category:Paintings of Julius Caesar
 * Propose renaming Category:Paintings depicting Luke the Evangelist to Category:Paintings of Luke the Evangelist
 * Propose renaming Category:Paintings depicting Mark the Evangelist to Category:Paintings of Mark the Evangelist
 * Propose renaming Category:Paintings depicting Mary Magdalene to Category:Paintings of Mary Magdalene
 * Propose renaming Category:Paintings depicting Matthew the Apostle to Category:Paintings of Matthew the Apostle
 * Propose renaming Category:Paintings depicting Michael (archangel) to Category:Paintings of Michael (archangel)
 * Propose renaming Category:Paintings depicting Moses to Category:Paintings of Moses
 * Propose renaming Category:Paintings depicting New Testament people to Category:Paintings of New Testament people
 * Propose renaming Category:Paintings depicting Noah to Category:Paintings of Noah
 * Propose renaming Category:Paintings depicting Norse myths to Category:Paintings of Norse myths
 * Propose renaming Category:Paintings depicting Paul the Apostle to Category:Paintings of Paul the Apostle
 * Propose renaming Category:Paintings depicting Pentecost to Category:Paintings of Pentecost
 * Propose renaming Category:Paintings depicting Queen Victoria to Category:Paintings of Queen Victoria
 * Propose renaming Category:Paintings depicting Roman deities to Category:Paintings of Roman deities
 * Propose renaming Category:Paintings depicting Roman myths to Category:Paintings of Roman myths
 * Propose renaming Category:Paintings depicting Saint Andrew to Category:Paintings of Saint Andrew
 * Propose renaming Category:Paintings depicting Saint Peter to Category:Paintings of Saint Peter
 * Propose renaming Category:Paintings depicting Saints Peter and Paul to Category:Paintings of Saints Peter and Paul
 * Propose renaming Category:Paintings depicting Salome to Category:Paintings of Salome
 * Propose renaming Category:Paintings depicting Samson to Category:Paintings of Samson
 * Propose renaming Category:Paintings depicting Solomon to Category:Paintings of Solomon
 * Propose renaming Category:Paintings depicting Susanna and the Elders to Category:Paintings of Susanna and the Elders
 * Propose renaming Category:Paintings depicting Thomas the Apostle to Category:Paintings of Thomas the Apostle
 * Propose renaming Category:Paintings depicting Tobias to Category:Paintings of Tobias
 * Propose renaming Category:Paintings depicting archangels to Category:Paintings of archangels
 * Propose renaming Category:Paintings depicting deer to Category:Paintings of deer
 * Propose renaming Category:Paintings depicting dogs to Category:Paintings of dogs
 * Propose renaming Category:Paintings depicting figures from the Book of Daniel to Category:Paintings of figures from the Book of Daniel
 * Propose renaming Category:Paintings depicting figures from the Book of Exodus to Category:Paintings of figures from the Book of Exodus
 * Propose renaming Category:Paintings depicting figures from the Book of Genesis to Category:Paintings of figures from the Book of Genesis
 * Propose renaming Category:Paintings depicting figures from the Deuteronomistic history to Category:Paintings of figures from the Deuteronomistic history
 * Propose renaming Category:Paintings depicting people in the deuterocanonical books to Category:Paintings of people in the deuterocanonical books
 * Propose renaming Category:Paintings depicting snakes to Category:Paintings of snakes
 * Propose renaming Category:Paintings depicting the Adoration of the Magi to Category:Paintings of the Adoration of the Magi
 * Propose renaming Category:Paintings depicting the Annunciation to Category:Paintings of the Annunciation
 * Propose renaming Category:Paintings depicting the Arrest of Christ to Category:Paintings of the Arrest of Christ
 * Propose renaming Category:Paintings depicting the Biblical Magi to Category:Paintings of the Biblical Magi
 * Propose renaming Category:Paintings depicting the Conversion of Saint Paul to Category:Paintings of the Conversion of Saint Paul
 * Propose renaming Category:Paintings depicting the Crucifixion of Jesus to Category:Paintings of the Crucifixion of Jesus
 * Propose renaming Category:Paintings depicting the Entombment of Christ to Category:Paintings of the Entombment of Christ
 * Propose renaming Category:Paintings depicting the Flight into Egypt to Category:Paintings of the Flight into Egypt
 * Propose renaming Category:Paintings depicting the Holy Trinity to Category:Paintings of the Holy Trinity
 * Propose renaming Category:Paintings depicting the Massacre of the Innocents to Category:Paintings of the Massacre of the Innocents
 * Propose renaming Category:Paintings depicting the Passion of Jesus to Category:Paintings of the Passion of Jesus
 * Propose renaming Category:Paintings depicting the Sacrifice of Isaac to Category:Paintings of the Sacrifice of Isaac
 * Propose renaming Category:Paintings depicting the Supper at Emmaus to Category:Paintings of the Supper at Emmaus


 * Sculptures
 * Propose renaming Category:Sculptures depicting David to Category:Sculptures of David
 * Propose renaming Category:Sculptures depicting Hebrew Bible people to Category:Sculptures of Hebrew Bible people
 * Propose renaming Category:Sculptures depicting Hebrew Bible prophets to Category:Sculptures of Hebrew Bible prophets
 * Propose renaming Category:Sculptures depicting Jesus to Category:Sculptures of Jesus
 * Propose renaming Category:Sculptures depicting John the Baptist to Category:Sculptures of John the Baptist
 * Propose renaming Category:Sculptures depicting Luke the Evangelist to Category:Sculptures of Luke the Evangelist
 * Propose renaming Category:Sculptures depicting New Testament people to Category:Sculptures of New Testament people
 * Propose renaming Category:Sculptures depicting Old Testament people to Category:Sculptures of Old Testament people
 * Propose renaming Category:Sculptures depicting biblical men to Category:Sculptures of biblical men
 * Propose renaming Category:Sculptures depicting biblical people to Category:Sculptures of biblical people
 * Propose renaming Category:Sculptures depicting the Adoration of the Magi to Category:Sculptures of the Adoration of the Magi
 * Propose renaming Category:Sculptures depicting the Crucifixion of Jesus to Category:Sculptures of the Crucifixion of Jesus
 * Propose renaming Category:Sculptures depicting the Lamentation of Christ to Category:Sculptures of the Lamentation of Christ
 * Propose renaming Category:Sculptures depicting the Passion of Jesus to Category:Sculptures of the Passion of Jesus


 * Prints
 * Propose renaming Category:Prints depicting the Crucifixion of Jesus to Category:Prints of the Crucifixion of Jesus
 * Propose renaming Category:Prints depicting the Passion of Jesus to Category:Prints of the Passion of Jesus
 * Propose renaming Category:Prints including the Virgin Mary to Category:Prints of the Virgin Mary


 * Drawings
 * Propose renaming Category:Drawings depicting the Crucifixion of Jesus to Category:Drawings of the Crucifixion of Jesus


 * Art
 * Propose renaming Category:Art depicting Hebrew Bible people to Category:Hebrew Bible people in art
 * Propose renaming Category:Art depicting New Testament people to Category:New Testament people in art
 * Propose renaming Category:Art depicting New Testament themes to Category:New Testament themes in art
 * Propose renaming Category:Art depicting Old Testament people to Category:Old Testament people in art
 * Propose renaming Category:Art depicting Old Testament themes to Category:Old Testament themes in art
 * Propose renaming Category:Art depicting people to Category:People in art
 * Propose renaming Category:Art depicting people in the deuterocanonical books to Category:People in the deuterocanonical books in art


 * Stamps
 * Propose renaming Category:Postage stamps depicting people to Category:People on stamps
 * Propose renaming Category:Stamps depicting Elizabeth II to Category:Elizabeth II on stamps
 * Propose renaming Category:Stamps depicting Queen Victoria to Category:Queen Victoria on stamps


 * Nominator's rationale: Categories for artworks by subject currently use a mixture of the style "[Paintings, sculptures, etc.] of [a subject]" and "[Paintings, sculptures, etc.] depicting [a subject]", and the style with "of" is the predominant one. Looking at categories for paintings and sculptures, which comprise the bulk of these, there are currently 187 instances of "Paintings of [a subject]" to the 84 of "Paintings depicting...", and 425 of "Sculptures of [a subject]" to the 14 of "Sculptures depicting...". For some other types of artwork we use the style with "of" almost exclusively: "Portraits of...", "Statues of..." and "Murals of...". The word "depicting" is an unfortunate choice for three-dimensional works because the etymology refers to the act of painting. In the case of Category:Art depicting people and its subcategories which begin "Art depicting...", the categories using "depicting" are inconsistent with most of their sibling categories, which instead use "...in art". Similarly, the subcategories of Category:Topical postage stamps which use the word "depicting" are inconsistent with the majority, which use "...on stamps". Ham II (talk) 08:42, 21 April 2024 (UTC)


 * Soft oppose This is an interesting question. I think some might think of "of" as meaning "by", but we've got the Category:Works by artist tree for that, so I suppose that is not a big problem. "depicting" is less ambiguous in my view, but for consistency's sake, I'm willing to go with the majority formula if there are no other considerations. The only strong objection I really have is that the vast majority of the nominees are about mythological, legendary or religious figures whose existence has not been proven (and often cannot be proven), and/or about whose identities considerable controversies have arisen. "Painting of Foo" suggests more directly that Foo was posing while the painter was painting their portrait (like "Photographs of Foo"; if you were there while Foo was there, you could have captured a similar image yourself), while "depicting" suggests more distance, more creative imagination about what Foo might (have) look(ed) like, while nobody alive in the artist's time has ever observed Foo. Obviously this doesn't apply to Queen Victoria or Elizabeth II, but because stamps often depict mythological or legendary figures as well, I understand that the category tree has been kept consistent with "depicting". I also understand the etymological argument that depicting comes from pingere "to paint", which wouldn't fit other types of art like sculpture, but the meaning of words can change. "picture" is nowadays usually synonymous with "photograph", which has nothing to do with painting either. So I understand the nom, but I can't fully support it for these considerations. NLeeuw (talk) 09:04, 21 April 2024 (UTC)
 * "Paintings of Foo" doesn't imply that they were done from life; that's only true of "Photographs of Foo", and you've drawn too close an analogy because of the linguistic similarity. It wouldn't be more accurate to call Leonardo's Last Supper a "painting depicting the Last Supper" than a "painting of the Last Supper"; the meaning of both phrases is identical.
 * "Of" instead of "depicting" would also be preferable in order to avoid unnecessary wordiness further down the category tree: "" is less of a mouthful than "Category:Paintings depicting the Madonna and Child by Sandro Botticelli". Ham II (talk) 07:52, 22 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Support per nom. Additionally, although I know usage has gone beyond this, & it may no make much sense etymologically, part of me dislikes using "depict" when no paint is involved. Can we also change "themes" for the correct "subjects" in Category:Paintings depicting Hebrew Bible themes to Category:Paintings of Hebrew Bible themes & the New Testament one. In art, "death" and "love" are themes, the Lamentation of Christ is a subject (which has themes as well). Johnbod (talk) 17:12, 21 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Support one format across the tree, either "of" or "depicting". I do not really have a preference between them so I am happy to go with the current "of" majority. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:08, 21 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Neutral. In other instances—film, for example, I might have opposed this, because films frequently depict persons or things other than their subjects.  But in the case of paintings, it seems less likely that we'd need to distinguish between the subject of the painting and something depicted in it.  A painting that shows Mars or Helen or the Trojan Horse or the Apostle Paul in the background would probably still be reasonably described as a painting of that person or thing, even though the main subject might be something else.  "The Last Supper" is still a painting of each of the Apostles, simply because they appear in it.  There's nothing inherently wrong with the "depiction" language, though, and it makes sense to distinguish depictions from subjects in other media, so consistency is not a good argument, IMO.  P Aculeius (talk) 13:10, 22 April 2024 (UTC)
 * It's possibly worth noting that when the distinction between depictions in films and subjects of films is made, the phrasing used is (e.g.) (i.e., not "Films depicting Julius Caesar") and, so this nom isn't proposing to get rid of the exact phrasing used there. Ham II (talk) 15:45, 28 April 2024 (UTC)
 * In that case, with films, as there are two parallel trees, we will have a different discussion anyway. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:23, 29 April 2024 (UTC)
 * I'm not in a hurry to have the discussion about films, as my focus is on artworks. I see that a CfD last year on the use of "Depictions of" tried to make the film category tree more uniform, and it closed as no consensus. Ham II (talk) 07:21, 29 April 2024 (UTC)


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Category:Western European culture
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 * The result of the discussion was: manually merge and purge. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  17:13, 30 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Propose manually upmerging articles of Category:Western European culture to Category:Culture of Europe; and purging the subcategories
 * Propose manually upmerging articles of Category:Central European culture to Category:Culture of Europe; and purging the subcategories
 * Propose manually upmerging articles of Category:Northern European culture to Category:Culture of Europe; and purging the subcategories
 * Propose manually upmerging articles of Category:Eastern European culture to Category:Culture of Europe; and purging the subcategories
 * Propose manually upmerging articles of Category:Southern European culture to Category:Culture of Europe; and purging the subcategories
 * Nominator's rationale: Follow-up Categories for discussion/Log/2023 June 15 and other precedents. The child categories are just duplicates of Category:Culture of Europe by country or Category:Culture of Europe by dependent territory, based on home-made WP:OR WP:ARBITRARYCAT definitions of "Western, Northern, Southern, Central", and "Eastern Europe". The few articles in the categories are either also Culture of Fooland articles that have already been diffused (see Category:Southern European culture; these can be purged right away), or are so broadly European that they cannot be limited to arbitrarily defined subregions of Europe. Some examples:


 * Western European marriage pattern, a contested hypothesis in demographics that sets the boundary of "Western Europe" in an almost straight line between Venice and Saint Petersburg, crossing through countries that are variously grouped as "Southern, Western, Central, Eastern or Northern Europe" depending on countless definitions other than this one.
 * Heimatschutz Architecture, an early 20th-century style mostly found in Germany, Austria and Switzerland, the latter of which may be grouped as "Western" or "Central European", while Germany may be grouped as "Western" or "Central European" and former East Germany as "Eastern Europe".
 * National liberalism, which the lead section identifies as being especially active in Europe in the 19th century in several national contexts such as Central Europe, the Nordic countries, and Southeastern Europe. Despite being categorised inter alia as Category:Liberalism in Europe, Category:Nationalism in Europe, and Category:Conservatism in Europe, someone thought it should also be more narrowly limited to Category:Central European culture, while it evidently had a much broader reach.
 * Elterngeld, which states that Elterngeld schemes exists in Germany, France, and Scandinavia. Depending on definitions, that's Central, Eastern (former East Germany), Western, Southern (southern France is often considered "Southern Europe") and Northern Europe combined! Yet it is only categorised as Category:Northern European culture.
 * Etc.


 * There's enough room in Category:Culture of Europe for these articles that can hardly be limited by arbitrarily defined subregions of Europe. NLeeuw (talk) 08:38, 21 April 2024 (UTC)


 * Support per nom. Apart from the subcategories the articles are quite a hodgepodge so plain deletion could also be a satisfactory outcome. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:49, 21 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Oh I do think all the articles fit in Category:Culture of Europe. I just don't think we could limit them to arbitrarily defined subregions of Europe. NLeeuw (talk) 04:46, 22 April 2024 (UTC)
 * They can probably be diffused (or are already diffused) to other subcategories of Category:Culture of Europe. But let's sort that out after this discussion has been closed. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:18, 29 April 2024 (UTC)


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Category:Letopis
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 * The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkl  talk  18:08, 29 April 2024 (UTC)


 * Propose deleting letopis
 * Nominator's rationale: WP:ARBITRARYCAT, selective duplicate of existing Category:Serbian chronicles and Category:Old East Slavic chronicles. Created last month by User:ArchVKL who has done only 2 edits ever. "Letopis" is just the transcription of the Russian word летопис which is commonly translated as "chronicle". Talk:Letopis (genre) was merged and redirected to Rus' chronicle last year. NLeeuw (talk) 08:04, 21 April 2024 (UTC)


 * Support in principle per nom, but shouldn't it be merged to Category:Chronicles? Marcocapelle (talk) 17:20, 21 April 2024 (UTC)
 * No, because both child cats are already in that tree, and all 5 pages are already in both child cats except the Cetinje chronicle, which is a manuscript containing several chronicles rather than a chronicle in itself. Merging would lead to duplication. NLeeuw (talk) 04:44, 22 April 2024 (UTC)
 * I see, I noticed Cetinje chronicle and presumably also Hustyn Chronicle not already elsewhere in the chronicles tree. Hustyn Chronicle should be manually added, right? Marcocapelle (talk) 18:00, 22 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Yes. Category:Old East Slavic chronicles as language (at least, the medieval parts as copied. The Hustyn continuation is in Late Ruthenian / Early modern Ukrainian. As theme, it might also fit "Ukrainian chronicles", although that category does not exist yet, and that name is ambiguous.) NLeeuw (talk) 21:27, 23 April 2024 (UTC)


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Category:Indian independence activists from Pakistan
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 * The result of the discussion was: rename (non-admin closure) House Blaster  (talk · he/him) 02:42, 29 April 2024 (UTC)


 * Propose renaming Category:Indian independence activists from Pakistan to Category:Indian independence activists from Sind Province
 * Nominator's rationale: rename, Pakistan did not exist yet when they were independence activists. Purge Mufti Mehmood who was not from Sindh. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:09, 21 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Don't you mean Sindh, with an h? Otherwise I agree. NLeeuw (talk) 09:05, 21 April 2024 (UTC)
 * I thought so too until I noticed Sind Province (1936–1955). Marcocapelle (talk) 17:14, 21 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Ah ok. Rename per nom then. :) NLeeuw (talk) 21:27, 23 April 2024 (UTC)


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Category:Nigerian-American Art
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 * The result of the discussion was: merge (non-admin closure) House Blaster  (talk · he/him) 02:41, 29 April 2024 (UTC)


 * Propose merging Category:Nigerian-American Art to Category:Nigerian-American culture and history
 * Nominator's rationale: Redudant category layer. If not merged, it should be renamed to Nigerian-American art Mason (talk) 04:57, 21 April 2024 (UTC)


 * Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:28, 21 April 2024 (UTC)


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