Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 April 5

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Category:Year of work unknown

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge (non-admin closure) House Blaster  (talk · he/him) 22:47, 12 April 2024 (UTC)


 * Propose merging Category:Year of work unknown to Category:Open problems
 * Nominator's rationale: merge, redundant category layer with only one subcategory. Marcocapelle (talk) 15:10, 5 April 2024 (UTC)


 * Upmerge for now without prejudice per nom. (Dual merge to Works by year unnecessary; child is already in Songs by year). NLeeuw (talk) 06:59, 11 April 2024 (UTC)


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Category:Drum Corps Associates corps
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Category:Paleontology portal
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16th century in the Mughal Empire

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge (non-admin closure) House Blaster  (talk · he/him) 22:47, 12 April 2024 (UTC)


 * Propose merging Category:1560s in the Mughal Empire to Category:16th century in the Mughal Empire and Category:1560s in India
 * Propose merging Category:1570s in the Mughal Empire to Category:16th century in the Mughal Empire and Category:1570s in India
 * Propose merging Category:1571 establishments in the Mughal Empire to Category:16th-century establishments in the Mughal Empire and Category:1571 establishments in Asia and Category:1570s establishments in India
 * Propose merging Category:1572 establishments in the Mughal Empire to Category:16th-century establishments in the Mughal Empire and Category:1572 establishments in India
 * Propose merging Category:1576 in the Mughal Empire to Category:16th century in the Mughal Empire and Category:1576 in Asia and Category:1570s in India
 * Nominator's rationale: merge, isolated year and decade categories, this is not helpful for navigation between articles. Marcocapelle (talk) 13:19, 5 April 2024 (UTC)


 * Upmerge for now without prejudice per nom. NLeeuw (talk) 07:00, 11 April 2024 (UTC)


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Category:2004 video games with demos

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete all. (non-admin closure) House Blaster  (talk · he/him) 22:48, 12 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting video games with demos
 * Propose deleting 2004 video games with demos
 * Propose deleting 1995 video games with demos
 * Propose deleting 2000 video games with demos
 * Propose deleting 2002 video games with demos
 * Propose deleting 2003 video games with demos
 * Propose deleting 2006 video games with demos
 * Propose deleting 2008 video games with demos
 * Propose deleting 2009 video games with demos


 * Nominator's rationale: Absolutely not a defining trait. Thousands upon thousands of video games have demos, and none of them are defined by that. I nominated 2004, then noticed the parent and several others. All should go. -- ferret (talk) 13:04, 29 March 2024 (UTC)
 * It would be very sad you you delete :(
 * Not all games have demos. Thousands? Ok, they are divided by years.
 * Demo is important - because it freely distributable, and we can download it from some websites. This is imprtant for abandonware, for example Armies of Exigo - you cannot buy this game - we have only torrents or great demo.
 * And often demos is like a beta version of the game, that looks differently from the release version - this is important for the history and research. I am surprised that you want to delete such category :( Vitaly Zdanevich (talk) 16:35, 29 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Because it is not a defining trait of the games. Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of information. -- ferret (talk) 17:43, 29 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Comment -I assume all of the additional subcats of Category:Video games with demos should be deleted as well? (Oinkers42) (talk) 02:13, 30 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Yes -- ferret (talk) 04:55, 30 March 2024 (UTC)

Relisting comment: I will tag all of the subcategories; if there is no further participation in a week we should be all set for deleting them. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, House Blaster  (talk · he/him) 11:55, 5 April 2024 (UTC)
 * delete per nom. - Altenmann >talk 14:32, 29 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. Mason (talk) 00:06, 30 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:49, 30 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. Fails WP:DEFINING. Sergecross73   msg me  15:57, 30 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Delete all per nom, fails WP:NONDEF. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 22:58, 30 March 2024 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


 * The whole set is now tagged. – Fayenatic  L ondon 11:57, 5 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Delete all per nom per WP:NONDEFINING. I'm sure some abandonware game demos are very interesting to torrent, but that's not Wikipedia's business. NLeeuw (talk) 07:08, 11 April 2024 (UTC)


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Category:Studies of right-wing politics
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Category:Disasters in Philippines by province or territory

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. No reason to keep this open. Liz Read! Talk! 05:09, 6 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Disasters in Philippines by province or territory to Category:Disasters in Philippines by province
 * Nominator's rationale: The Philippines has no "territories" to speak of, as every square inch of the country is incorporated (i.e., there is no "unincorporated area" or unorganized areas). Howard the Duck (talk) 01:44, 28 March 2024 (UTC)

Relisting comment: Delete? Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, House Blaster  (talk · he/him) 11:29, 5 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Comment. It should be Category:Disasters in the Philippines by province. HueMan1 (talk) 10:21, 4 April 2024 (UTC)
 * are you okay with this alt rename? House Blaster  (talk · he/him) 03:01, 5 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Just delete this. This was created by a user topic banned on category space. Howard the Duck (talk) 08:07, 5 April 2024 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


 * Delete, once a previous CfD closure is implemented this category is empty. Marcocapelle (talk) 13:07, 5 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Delete per above. HueMan1 (talk) 01:42, 6 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Comment This category is empty now so there is nothing to Merge. Liz Read! Talk! 05:07, 6 April 2024 (UTC)


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Category:Arab-American gangs

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge to Category:Arab gangs. (non-admin closure) House Blaster  (talk · he/him) 22:48, 12 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting arab-american gangs
 * Nominator's rationale: delete, only one article in the category, this is not helpful for navigation between articles. Marcocapelle (talk) 11:27, 5 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Merge to Category:Arab gangs instead. AHI-3000 (talk) 21:33, 7 April 2024 (UTC)


 * Merge to Category:Arab gangs instead. NLeeuw (talk) 07:16, 11 April 2024 (UTC)


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Category:Companies that operate fighter jets
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Category:Arab gangs
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Category:Wikipedians in Ngong Hills

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge (non-admin closure) House Blaster  (talk · he/him) 22:49, 12 April 2024 (UTC)


 * Propose merging Category:Wikipedians in Ngong Hills to Category:Wikipedians in Kenya
 * Nominator's rationale: No other user pages in the parent category mention this location. – Fayenatic  L ondon 10:07, 5 April 2024 (UTC)


 * Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 11:32, 5 April 2024 (UTC)


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Category:Scholars of Greek language
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Category:Eastern Europe in fiction

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge articles. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  19:48, 13 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Propose upmerging Category:Eastern Europe in fiction to Category:Europe in fiction
 * Nominator's rationale: Extremely WP:ARBITRARYCAT (really; read the category description). Indirect follow-up to Categories for discussion/Log/2023 August 27 (upmerged). Note: the "by country" child categories do not have to be upmerged; they are already in Category:Europe in fiction by country. Child category about video games has also been nominated for upmerging. NLeeuw (talk) 09:38, 5 April 2024 (UTC)


 * Manually merge per nom. In real life Eastern Europe is a fuzzy concept, even more in fiction. Marcocapelle (talk) 13:09, 5 April 2024 (UTC)


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Category:Swingin' Utters

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure) House Blaster  (talk · he/him) 22:50, 12 April 2024 (UTC)


 * Propose deleting swingin' utters
 * Nominator's rationale: Insufficient content for WP:EPONYMOUS category. – Fayenatic  L ondon 09:37, 5 April 2024 (UTC)


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Category:Video games set in Eastern Europe

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 * The result of the discussion was: manually merge. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  19:50, 13 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Propose upmerging Category:Video games set in Eastern Europe to Category:Video games set in Europe
 * Nominator's rationale: WP:ARBITRARYCAT. Follow-up to Categories for discussion/Log/2023 August 27 (upmerged). Note: the "by country" child categories do not have to be upmerged; they are already in Category:Video games set in Europe by country. NLeeuw (talk) 09:33, 5 April 2024 (UTC)


 * Manually merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 13:12, 5 April 2024 (UTC)
 * agree with marco and nom. There's no need to cluster video settings by region. Mason (talk) 23:11, 12 April 2024 (UTC)


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Category:Eastern European restaurants

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure) House Blaster  (talk · he/him) 22:52, 12 April 2024 (UTC)


 * Propose deleting eastern european restaurants
 * Nominator's rationale: WP:ARBITRARYCAT, unnecessary grouping of 3 restaurants which are already in the Russian, Ukrainian and Polish restaurants trees. I recommend Just Delete, there's no point in merging. NLeeuw (talk) 09:18, 5 April 2024 (UTC)


 * Delete, two of the articles are already in Category:Russian restaurants and Category:Polish restaurants and the other does not seem to belong here altogether. Marcocapelle (talk) 09:27, 5 April 2024 (UTC)
 * The Hong Kong one? NLeeuw (talk) 09:35, 5 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Right. Marcocapelle (talk) 13:13, 5 April 2024 (UTC)


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Category:Central European art groups
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 * The result of the discussion was: merge (non-admin closure) House Blaster  (talk · he/him) 22:52, 12 April 2024 (UTC)


 * Propose upmerging Category:Central European art groups to Category:European artist groups and collectives
 * Nominator's rationale: WP:ARBITRARYCAT. There doesn't seem to be anything particularly "Central European" to the articles in this group. Some things are Czech, some Swiss, one German, one Austrian, one Swiss-Austrian and one Luxemburgish, but that's it. The contents do not suggest a larger "Central European" scope, let alone that the category has properly defined its scope. According to several definitions, Luxembourg and Switzerland belong to "Western Europe", while Czechia belongs to "Eastern Europe". The present grouping seems WP:OR. Upmerging to "Europe" resolves the arbitrariness. NLeeuw (talk) 05:18, 5 April 2024 (UTC)


 * Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:42, 5 April 2024 (UTC)


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Category:Central European cuisine
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 * The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure) House Blaster  (talk · he/him) 22:52, 12 April 2024 (UTC)


 * Propose deleting central european cuisine
 * Nominator's rationale: Just delete per WP:OVERLAPCAT. Main article Central European cuisine is already in parent Category:European cuisine and all subcategories just duplicate Category:European cuisine by country. NLeeuw (talk) 05:07, 5 April 2024 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:43, 5 April 2024 (UTC)


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Category:National Heroes of North Korea
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 * The result of the discussion was: rename to Category:Heroes of the Republic (North Korea). (non-admin closure) House Blaster  (talk · he/him) 22:52, 12 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:National Heroes of North Korea to Category:Heroes of the Republic
 * Nominator's rationale: Main article: Hero of the Republic. Not sure what the best name for this category is; should it specify North Korea in parentheses? I don't think "National" should be a part of the title; there doesn't seem to be any indication that it is in either Korean or English. toobigtokale (talk) 21:35, 20 March 2024 (UTC)

Relisting comment: Rename or delete? Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, House Blaster  (talk · he/him) 01:30, 28 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Delete per WP:OCAWARD or else alt rename to Category:Heroes of the Republic (North Korea), less ambiguous than proposed and more clearly a disambiguator than the current name. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:59, 21 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Agree with both assessments, and am ok with either deletion or renaming to the suggested title. Will keep that guideline in mind from now on, thanks. toobigtokale (talk) 18:02, 21 March 2024 (UTC)
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Relisting comment: Same question: rename or delete? Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, House Blaster  (talk · he/him) 02:58, 5 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Delete unless anyone else objects. toobigtokale (talk) 04:46, 28 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Rename (with the round brackets) per Marcocapelle. 61.244.93.97 (talk) 09:20, 28 March 2024 (UTC)
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 * Rename to Category:Heroes of the Republic (North Korea). -- Necrothesp (talk) 13:30, 9 April 2024 (UTC)


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Category:1990s Japanese superhero films
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Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Qwerfjkl  talk  11:59, 28 March 2024 (UTC)
 * The result of the discussion was: no consensus. As Liz says. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  19:52, 13 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:1990s Japanese superhero films to Category:1990s superhero films
 * Nominator's rationale: Why do we need this which has only a few entries? All content has been transferred to Category:Japanese superhero films and Category:1990s Japanese films. <b style="color: black;">Kailash29792</b> (talk)  04:37, 20 March 2024 (UTC)
 * See other similar cats. Again, 2 subcats and 3 articles does not strike me as an indecently low number: 'Categories which intersect two (or more) topics or characteristics can result in very narrow categories with few members. Such categories should only be created when both parent categories are large enough for diffusion to be an option, and when similar intersections can be made for related categories.' That seems to be the case here and up-merge seems unnecessary.- My, oh my!  (Mushy Yank)  12:27, 20 March 2024 (UTC)
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Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, House Blaster  (talk · he/him) 02:58, 5 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Comment A bundled nomination including this category was just closed a week ago (Categories for discussion/Log/2024 March 10). I'd wait longer than a few days before renominating or else you will just get the same No Consensus closure. Liz <sup style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: #006400;">Read! Talk! 19:24, 28 March 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Lapinjärvi (municipality)
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 * The result of the discussion was: no consensus. (non-admin closure)  Toadette Edit! 21:56, 23 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Lapinjärvi (municipality) to Category:Lapinjärvi, Finland
 * Nominator's rationale: Renamed the main article Lapinjärvi, Finland. Peltimikko (talk) 17:48, 16 March 2024 (UTC)


 * Revert article rename, it is unnecessary to add ", Finland", there is no ambiguity and other municipalities in Category:Municipalities of Eastern Uusimaa do not have this addition either. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:46, 16 March 2024 (UTC)
 * I agree with Marco; keep this category and per WP:BOLDMOVE (If you disagree with a prior bold move, and the new title has not been in place for a long time, you may revert the move yourself) I have undone the move. House Blaster  (talk · he/him) 02:11, 24 March 2024 (UTC)
 * There ARE other municipilities with added ”, Finland” in Category:Cities and towns in Finland, such as Nokia, Finland or Rauma, Finland or Outokumpu, Finland. Only Lapinjärvi is ”(municipality)”. Peltimikko (talk) 03:56, 24 March 2024 (UTC)
 * For Nokia a disambiguator is necessary because the article Nokia is about the company. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:09, 24 March 2024 (UTC)

Relisting comment: Let's see if the RM concludes as moved, or if there is consensus to rename here. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Justarandomamerican (talk) Have a good day! 01:55, 5 April 2024 (UTC)
 * I have started an RM, this category discussion may be closed per WP:C2D after closure of the RM. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:18, 24 March 2024 (UTC)
 * pending RM. Please comment at Talk:Lapinjärvi (municipality).<span id="Qwerfjkl:1711301154942:WikipediaFTTCLNCategories_for_discussion/Log/2024_March_16" class="FTTCmt"> — Qwerfjkl  talk  17:25, 24 March 2024 (UTC)
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 * If I may make a suggestion to the closer, I think closing this as no consensus is the best way forward. All of the above comments will be irrelevant once the RM is closed, and therefore a fresh discussion will be more productive than trying to continue this one. House Blaster  (talk · he/him) 18:58, 15 April 2024 (UTC)


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Category:19th-century Roman Catholic church buildings in New Caledonia
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Category:Wikipedians with autism
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 * The result of the discussion was: rename to Category:Autistic Wikipedians. (non-admin closure) House Blaster  (talk · he/him) 22:55, 12 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Wikipedians with autism to Category:Autistic Wikipedians
 * Nominator's rationale: This is about Person-first/identity-first language.

For many conditions/disabilities/traits, the use of person-first language is preferred or there is no consensus. This was also true in the past for autistic people. However, within the last few years, particularly since the rise of the Autism_rights_movement and its focus on self-advocacy, use of identity-first language has become much more preferred and prominent among people who are actually autistic.

While neurotypical people have no consensus on person-first or identity-first language, this category is used specifically by people who are actually autistic. So, in order to better represent people who self-identify with the category, it would be better for it to be named "Autistic Wikipedians".

A notable American organisation supporting person-first language is Autism Speaks. However, Autism Speaks has been criticised and boycott by the autism rights movement because it does not reflect the needs or desires of self-advocating autistic people.

References within Wikipedia articles

"Although some prefer to use the person-first terminology person with autism, most members of the autistic community prefer autistic person or autistic in formal English, to stress that autism is a part of their identity rather than a disease they have. In addition, phrases like suffers from autism are objectionable to many people, and are discouraged by prominent style guides."

"Identity-first language is preferred by many autistic people and organizations run by them."

References from reliable sources

"Autistic adults and parents were more likely to select an [identity-first language] term. The identity-first terms “I am autistic” (64.1%) and “I have autism” (13.1%) were the most common terms selected."

This article shows autistic people generally prefer identity-first language, while other people who aren't autistic may prefer person-first language or may have no preference. Since this category is about Wikipedians who are autistic self-identifying, it makes sense to use identity-first language. This is more likely to respect the identity of the people in the category.

"There has been a recent shift from person-first to identity-first language to describe autism. In this study, Australian adults who reported having a diagnosis of autism (N 198) rated and ranked autism-terms for preference and offensiveness, and explained their choice in free-text. ‘Autistic’, ‘Person on the Autism Spectrum’, and ‘Autistic Person’ were rated most preferred and least offensive overall. &#91;...&#93; Statements in this theme reflected that being autistic is core to these participants’ sense of self, and not something that can be removed or separated from them (i.e., their autism is not an ‘accessory’)"

Alternatives considered


 * No change: "Category:Autistic Wikipedians" is a redirect to "Category:Wikipedians with autism". It is not possible for Wikipedians to add the "Autistic Wikipedians" category to their user page. This is because bots will edit their user page to "Category:Wikipedians with autism" in an attempt to "fix" the redirect.


 * Another name: As per the Australian paper, the term "Person on the Autism Spectrum" was most consistently ranked and offended the fewest people, though it wasn't the most preferred term as frequently as "Autistic Person".

While "Autistic Person" may not appeal to every single person who self-identifies as autistic, it overall has greater appeal in English-speaking communities than "Person with autism". CauliflowerMoon (talk) 09:35, 28 March 2024 (UTC)

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 * Support making a change. My impression has been that the general preference in the community is to use Identity first language rather than person first language. Annoyingly, I could have sworn that the APA style guide used autism as an example for identity first preference... but it seems I was either misremembering or it was changed . One core tenent that I think is extremely applicable from the APA guide: "Use person-first or identity-first language as is appropriate for the community or person being discussed. The language used should be selected with the understanding that disabled people's expressed preferences regarding identification supersede matters of style. " I think creating three categories with a user box template could be a workable solution. We could have the main category be: Category:Wikipedians on the Autism Spectrum, and have two child categories with Category:Autistic Wikipedians and Category:Wikipedians with autism. Mason (talk) 00:32, 29 March 2024 (UTC)
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 * Mixed Do whatever you want. But this seems a little bit pointless to me, maybe that's just me. As an autistic person myself i don't care what happens, both seem fine to me AuroraANovaUma (talk) 23:41, 6 April 2024 (UTC)


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Category:Emigrants from British North America
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 * The result of the discussion was: merge (non-admin closure) House Blaster  (talk · he/him) 23:30, 12 April 2024 (UTC)


 * Propose merging Category:Emigrants from British North America to Category:Emigrants from the British Empire
 * Nominator's rationale: Upmerge. There's only one category in here, whish isn't helpful for navigation. Also a followup to Categories_for_discussion/Log/2024_March_24 Mason (talk) 01:49, 5 April 2024 (UTC)


 * Merge, redundant category layer with only one subcategory. As in the previous discussion, I would be ok with a follow-up proposal to rename pre-confederation Canada to British North America. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:48, 5 April 2024 (UTC)


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Category:Australian association football cup seasons
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 * The result of the discussion was: no consensus. @, you may wish to start a new nomination. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  20:12, 13 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Australian association football cup seasons to Category:Soccer cup seasons in Australia
 * Nominator's rationale: Suggesting rename for consistency with Category:Soccer cup competitions in Australia. – Fayenatic  L ondon 16:46, 20 March 2024 (UTC)

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 * Note: Looking around Category:Association football cup competitions by country, I did not find many similar sub-cats for cup seasons. There are a few:, , , . But we must not follow that naming format, to avoid ambiguity with . – Fayenatic  L ondon 17:07, 20 March 2024 (UTC)
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 * as the most active Wikipedian involved in both CfD and in association football, what do you think? Marcocapelle (talk) 05:54, 5 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related page discussions. GiantSnowman 17:32, 5 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Oppose as suggested, and instead move to  to match the format of the other similar cats suggested. I will also correct the OP on one point, namely that the current title is 'association football' so there is no ambiguity with 'Australian football' as claimed. GiantSnowman 17:38, 5 April 2024 (UTC)


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