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Category:Works about North Asia

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkl  talk  15:23, 18 April 2024 (UTC)


 * Propose deleting works about north asia
 * Propose deleting films set in north asia
 * Propose deleting north asia in fiction
 * Nominator's rationale: This is a needless category tunnel from Category:Works about Asia > Category:Works about North Asia > Category:Films set in North Asia > that ends up just containing Category:Films set in Russia, which is already in Category:Films set in Asia by country (also already in the Category:Works about Asia tree). Let's eliminate these redundant 2 layers. For the same reason, Category:North Asia in fiction is a useless redundant layer. NLeeuw (talk) 23:49, 9 April 2024 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom. There is nothing else is in North Asia beside Russia. Marcocapelle (talk) 03:47, 10 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Comment historically, that is not true. If the work is about North Asia prior to the Russian conquest, or to an alternative world without Russian control, then, these would make sense. There's quite a lot of fiction about non-Russian North Asias. For instance, in The Years of Rice and Salt, Japan controls North Asia, after China cedes rights to control of it in return for assistance in war against the Caliphate. There's quote a number of Korean, Japanese, Chinese works where Russia is not in control of North Asia -- 65.92.247.66 (talk) 05:51, 10 April 2024 (UTC)
 * That is a fair point. On the other hand there is Category:Works set in Siberia which supposedly covers non-Russian history as well. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:02, 10 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Pretty much all of the territory in Siberia was conquered by the Russian Empire before the invention of motion pictures in the 1880s. So all films produced in Siberia will have been produced in the Russian Empire, the Soviet Union, or the Russian Federation. As Marcocapelle says, if you were to have a film set in the Khanate of Sibir, that would fit in Category:Films set in Siberia, although I do think it then also needs to have Category:Films set in Asia as a parent, which it currently doesn't. Because 65.92.247.66 is right that fictional stories may not be set in Russia if part or all of Siberia is not under Russian control in these stories. NLeeuw (talk) 09:38, 10 April 2024 (UTC)
 * I have added Category:Films set in Asia as a parent category. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:04, 10 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Thanks. NLeeuw (talk) 18:48, 10 April 2024 (UTC)
 * If "Category: Xyz Siberia" is the category to use, the "Category: Xyz North Asia" should exist as category redirects. However, is a subcategory of ; likely because Beringia isn't Siberia, and fiction is set there as well. The missing equivalent category  would need to be created, to go along with  and  /  -- 65.92.247.66 (talk) 21:44, 13 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Delete per convo above.Mason (talk) 23:15, 13 April 2024 (UTC)


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Category:21st-century Algerian men

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure) House Blaster  (talk · he/him) 23:36, 16 April 2024 (UTC)


 * Propose deleting 18th-century welsh men
 * Propose deleting 21st-century algerian men
 * Propose deleting 20th-century algerian men
 * Propose deleting 20th-century taiwanese men
 * Propose deleting 21st-century taiwanese men
 * Nominator's rationale: Unhelpful for navigation to only have one category in each of these categories. No need to merge because the lone child category in each is already properly parented. Mason (talk) 22:45, 9 April 2024 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 03:48, 10 April 2024 (UTC)


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Category:21st-century Catalan men

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge (non-admin closure) House Blaster  (talk · he/him) 23:36, 16 April 2024 (UTC)


 * Propose merging Category:21st-century Catalan men to Category:21st-century Catalan people
 * Nominator's rationale: Non-defining under EGRS. Also it needs to be merged because the category creator has been treating it as a diffusing category. Mason (talk) 22:37, 9 April 2024 (UTC)


 * Merge, trivial intersection with gender. Marcocapelle (talk) 03:50, 10 April 2024 (UTC)


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Category:Anti-Zionist Christians
Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 April 16%23Category:Anti-Zionist Christians

Category:Christian anti-Zionism
Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 April 16%23Category:Christian anti-Zionism

Category:Inactive anime conventions

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge to Category:Anime and manga conventions. (non-admin closure) House Blaster  (talk · he/him) 23:36, 16 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Inactive anime conventions to Category:Anime conventions Category:Anime and manga conventions
 * Nominator's rationale: Non-defining. The convention isn't yet defunct. Mason (talk) 03:02, 24 March 2024 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, House Blaster  (talk · he/him) 00:19, 1 April 2024 (UTC) Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, House Blaster  (talk · he/him) 12:35, 9 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Weak Keep. Having an "inactive" category puts the spotlight on conventions that have lapsed. I have seen conventions before which give no official "defunct" message. The only way of telling in these cases is through a stale website. - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 03:41, 24 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Sure, that's a useful piece of information, but I don't think that counts as WP:DEFINING. Mason (talk) 14:47, 24 March 2024 (UTC)
 * I see it as a way to make life easier for editors monitoring the convention articles. There really is no net gain by getting rid of it. - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 15:30, 24 March 2024 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


 * Merge per nom. With few exceptions, categories do not distinguish between current and former members of any given group. Dimadick (talk) 14:18, 9 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Merge, there is no need for an intermediate category; just wait and then move to Category:Defunct anime conventions when that status is clear. – Fayenatic  L ondon 13:04, 15 April 2024 (UTC)


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Category:Dutch encyclopedias
Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 April 18%23Category:Dutch encyclopedias

Category:Bulgarian encyclopedias
Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 April 18%23Category:Bulgarian encyclopedias

Category:I Can See Your Voice Malaysia (Chinese version)

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename as unopposed. (non-admin closure) Queen of &#x2661;  &#124;  speak  23:39, 16 April 2024 (UTC)


 * Propose renaming Category:I Can See Your Voice Malaysia (Chinese version) to Category:I Can See Your Voice Malaysia (Chinese language)
 * Propose renaming Category:I Can See Your Voice Malaysia (Malay version) to Category:I Can See Your Voice Malaysia (Malay language)
 * Propose renaming Category:I Can See Your Voice (American TV series) to Category:I Can See Your Voice (American game show)
 * Nominator's rationale: Included from the mass renamings for the I Can See Your Voice franchise, as per Talk:I Can See Your Voice (Belgian TV series) season 1 (kindly proceed to this discussion first before deliberating). Saisønisse (talk) 07:12, 9 April 2024 (UTC)


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Category:Swedish politicians by ethnic or national origin

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename (non-admin closure) Queen of &#x2661;  &#124;  speak  23:40, 16 April 2024 (UTC)


 * Propose renaming Category:Swedish politicians by ethnic or national origin to Category:Swedish politicians by descent
 * Nominator's rationale: A. rename per usage of "descent" both in the parent and in the subcategory names. B. purge Category:Jewish Swedish politicians because the latter isn't about their ancestors but about what they are themselves (i.e. it is about ethnicity rather than about descent). Marcocapelle (talk) 06:26, 9 April 2024 (UTC)
 * This is part of a larger stale speedy nomination in which User:1234qwer1234qwer4, User:Anomalous+0 and User:Smasongarrison participated. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:27, 9 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Support per nom Mason (talk) 18:31, 9 April 2024 (UTC)


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Category:Poets associated with Dundee

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 * The result of the discussion was: manual merge. (non-admin closure)  Queen of &#x2661;  &#124;  speak  23:40, 16 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Poets associated with Dundee to Category:Poets from Dundee
 * Nominator's rationale: Overlapping categories Mason (talk) 04:28, 9 April 2024 (UTC)


 * Manually merge, as it is not applicable to everyone. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:24, 9 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Comment, as the creator I am happy to go with consensus, but thought it best to explain the background as to why there are two categories and how they are different and why a merge could be problematic. It all stems from the fact that there are two categories for people connected to to Dundee Category:People from Dundee and Category:People associated with Dundee. The former states "This category is only for people actually born in Dundee. For people who are strongly associated with the city, but not born there, see: Category:People associated with Dundee". As the poets was going to be under the former this presented a problem as some of Dundee's most noted Poets like Mary Brooksbank and William McGonagall were not originally from the city, so under the terms would not fit in the "from Dundee" model. Hence it seemed logical to create a second category that could go under Category:People associated with Dundee. I know there was discussion about merging the people from/associated with categories, but I don't think there was a consensus. If a merger is decided upon then the Poets from Category would need to have its statement changed as none of the people in the poets associated with category would currently be eligible for inclusion. There should probably also then be a decision taken about the future of Category:People from Dundee/Category:People associated with Dundee. Dunarc (talk) 12:48, 9 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Comment "People from" categories do not always cover the place of birth. We often do cover people who were long-time residents in a populated place. Dimadick (talk) 14:23, 9 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Agree, the statement about birth on these category pages should be removed. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:07, 9 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Merge per WP:ASSOCIATEDWITH. NLeeuw (talk) 18:52, 10 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Happy to support consensus, but I wonder if there might be one or two whose association with Dundee is not strong enough for a "from" category and therefore should be kept out after a merger. Eg Thomas Hood spent a relatively brief, albeit important, part of his early career in Dundee. Dunarc (talk) 22:56, 10 April 2024 (UTC)


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Category:Animation people

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename (non-admin closure) House Blaster  (talk · he/him) 23:37, 16 April 2024 (UTC)


 * Propose renaming Category:Animation people to Category:People in the animation industry
 * Propose renaming Category:People in animation by company to Category:People in the animation industry by company
 * Propose renaming Category:Computer animation people to Category:People in the computer animation industry
 * Propose renaming Category:Anime people to Category:People in the anime industry
 * Nominator's rationale: There is a mismatch in structure between Category:People in animation by company and its direct parent Category:Animation people. I propose choosing the "People in ___" structure for all of them to match their common parent Category:People in technology, and specifying animation/anime industry to make it obviously different from Category:Animated characters, as well as matching the form of cousin Category:People in the computer industry and other parents Category:Animation industry and Category:Anime industry.

Annoyedhumanoid (talk) 04:14, 9 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Rename, clearer descriptions. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:25, 9 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Rename per nom. Clearer descriptions. Though I am not certain whether computer animation can counts as its own industry. Dimadick (talk) 14:24, 9 April 2024 (UTC)


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Category:Nazis in Argentina

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 * The result of the discussion was: containerize. (non-admin closure)  Queen of &#x2661;  &#124;  speak  23:43, 16 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Propose containerizing nazis in argentina
 * Propose containerizing nazis in spain
 * Nominator's rationale: Should be containerized like https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2024_March_27#Category:Nazis_in_the_United_States Mason (talk) 02:41, 9 April 2024 (UTC)


 * Containerize per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:29, 9 April 2024 (UTC)


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Category:Irish people of Antigua and Barbuda descent

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 * The result of the discussion was: no consensus. (non-admin closure)  Queen of &#x2661;  &#124;  speak  23:46, 16 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Irish people of Antigua and Barbuda descent to Category:Irish people of Caribbean descent
 * Nominator's rationale: WP:NARROWCAT tailor-made for one member. Categories are not "interesting fact tags". But, mentioning facts, consider also: no mention of Antigua and Barbuda in the only member article and the cited source only says: —Alalch E. 11:22, 1 April 2024 (UTC)

Relisting comment: One member as of relisting. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, House Blaster  (talk · he/him) 02:17, 9 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Merge, this is not helpful for navigation between articles. Marcocapelle (talk) 11:34, 1 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Oppose, I generally oppose merging these, added a ref that specifically points out Antigua.--Ortizesp (talk) 11:55, 1 April 2024 (UTC)
 * The latter is a good point, I added the article to Category:Sportspeople of Antigua and Barbuda descent. Marcocapelle (talk) 04:10, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


 * Oppose. Part of a longstanding category tree. -- Necrothesp (talk) 13:24, 9 April 2024 (UTC)


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Category:Klingon-language operas

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 * The result of the discussion was: no consensus. (non-admin closure)  Queen of &#x2661;  &#124;  speak  23:46, 16 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Propose upmerging Category:Klingon-language operas to Category:Klingon language
 * Nominator's rationale: Upmerge for now without prejudice. Unlikely that this category will be filled with lots of articles any time soon, but we'll see. (Already in Category:Operas). NLeeuw (talk) 13:08, 1 April 2024 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, House Blaster  (talk · he/him) 02:16, 9 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Oppose – (After Categories for discussion/Log/2011 July 4 and Categories for discussion/Log/2012 August 27, this is the 3rd nomination.) Every opera is categorized by language, a defining characteristic. This category is part of the established Category:Operas by language. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 13:57, 1 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Merge, this is not helpful for navigation between articles. The article is already in several opera categories so a second merge target is not needed. Marcocapelle (talk) 14:03, 1 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Keep. I was going to vote merge on this because past discussion consensus to keep was based on WP:SMALLCAT which has been deprecated. However, operas are always sorted and defined by language in academic literature and professional study (there's different schools and traditions of opera around each language). Language is therefore a WP:DEFCAT of this topic area, and there is really no way around that. It doesn't meet any of the criteria for Overcategorization, and it does meet DEFCAT so its a clear keep.4meter4 (talk) 15:59, 1 April 2024 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


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Category:Cheese and Pasta
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 * The result of the discussion was: merge to Category:Pasta dishes and eat. (non-admin closure)  Queen of &#x2661;  &#124;  speak  23:48, 16 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Cheese and Pasta to Category:Cheese and pasta
 * Nominator's rationale: Can this be renamed to "Cheese and pasta" with a lowercase "p" in the word "pasta" per naming convention policy Tinton5 (talk) 21:59, 1 April 2024 (UTC)

Relisting comment: Merge or rename? Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, House Blaster  (talk · he/him) 02:10, 9 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Rename per WP:C2A. NLeeuw (talk) 00:08, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Speedy rename per C2A. –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d c̄ ) 00:45, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Merge to Category:Pasta dishes, cheese is too often added to pasta to make this discriminatory. If kept, alt rename to Category:Cheese and pasta dishes per WP:C2C. Marcocapelle (talk) 03:53, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Merge per marco, not very defining Mason (talk) 22:27, 3 April 2024 (UTC)
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 * I vote we Eat both! :D NLeeuw (talk) 00:13, 10 April 2024 (UTC)


 * Merge to Category:Pasta dishes, and selective merge to Category:Cheese dishes. – Fayenatic  L ondon 12:54, 15 April 2024 (UTC)


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Category:Gaza Strip during the Israel–Hamas war
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 * The result of the discussion was: rename to Category:Gaza Strip in the Israel–Hamas war. (non-admin closure) House Blaster  (talk · he/him) 23:38, 16 April 2024 (UTC)


 * Propose renaming : Category:Gaza Strip during the Israel–Hamas war to  Category:Gaza Strip in the Israel–Hamas war as similar to  Category:Gaza City in the Israel–Hamas war, Category:Rafah in the Israel–Hamas war
 * Support for consistency, or else rename the other two to "during". In itself I do not have a preference between "in" and "during". Marcocapelle (talk) 21:25, 9 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Support as nominated. "In" seems to be standard within subcats of, e.g. within or . – Fayenatic  L ondon 12:53, 15 April 2024 (UTC)


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