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Category:Stand-up comedy concert films
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Category:Companies based in Poulton-le-Fylde

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge (non-admin closure) House Blaster  (talk · he/him) 23:42, 8 February 2024 (UTC)


 * Propose merging Category:Companies based in Poulton-le-Fylde to Category:Companies based in Lancashire
 * Nominator's rationale: Merge to larger parent category as the category only has 1 entry. LibStar (talk) 23:44, 1 February 2024 (UTC)


 * Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:05, 2 February 2024 (UTC)


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Category:Queer actresses by nationality

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge (non-admin closure) House Blaster  (talk · he/him) 23:42, 8 February 2024 (UTC)


 * Propose merging Category:Queer actresses by nationality to Category:Queer actresses
 * Nominator's rationale: Upmerge for now. There's only one nationality in here, which isn't helpful for navigation Mason (talk) 22:59, 1 February 2024 (UTC)


 * Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 23:32, 1 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Merge per nom, plus there seems to be lots of messy/over-categorization here. Jill Harris is in Category:Queer actresses and also an "American queer actor" (without any trans aspect I can see). But not in this category. Johnbod (talk) 03:19, 6 February 2024 (UTC)


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Category:Athletic Club football teams and seasons

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure) House Blaster  (talk · he/him) 03:20, 9 February 2024 (UTC)


 * Propose deleting athletic club football teams and seasons
 * Nominator's rationale: delete, the category mainly consists of entries merely bearing the name Athletic Club, and for other entries it is entirely unclear why they are in this category. Marcocapelle (talk) 22:32, 1 February 2024 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom. –Aidan721 (talk) 02:56, 2 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Delete per the discussion at Categories for discussion/Log/2024 January 24. Some of the Athletic Clubs in this category don't apparently have anything to do with football, e.g. . Place Clichy (talk) 09:55, 2 February 2024 (UTC)
 * What about a change to Category:Athletic Club football seasons, where the current-under-discussion athletic club season subcats could all be merged? BeanieFan11 (talk) 20:18, 5 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Support in principle, but we should ensure that the contents aren't orphaned. Mason (talk) 23:51, 5 February 2024 (UTC)
 * But what is an athletic club? We already have categories for seasons of American football clubs and teams: /. Place Clichy (talk) 20:51, 7 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. Let&#39;srun (talk) 14:30, 6 February 2024 (UTC)


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Category:19th-century Roman Catholic bishops in the Papal States
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Category:South Bend Athletic Association football seasons

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 * The result of the discussion was: Delete * Pppery * it has begun... 23:35, 8 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting south bend athletic association football seasons
 * Nominator's rationale: Only 1 page in category. Let&#39;srun (talk) 02:34, 24 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Support in principle, but not delete. @Let'srun for tiny categories like this that are too small at the moment, a merge target is important so that the page isn't isolated from the tree. Do you have a suggested merge? Mason (talk) 23:02, 26 January 2024 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


 * Delete, the article is already in Category:1901 college football season which seems to suffice. Marcocapelle (talk) 22:44, 1 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. –Aidan721 (talk) 02:57, 2 February 2024 (UTC)


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Category:Lawyers from the Colony of New South Wales

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 * The result of the discussion was: Triple merge * Pppery * it has begun... 23:35, 8 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Lawyers from the Colony of New South Wales to Category:19th-century Australian lawyers and Category:New South Wales lawyers
 * Propose merging Category:Writers from the Colony of New South Wales to Category:19th-century Australian writers and Category:Writers from New South Wales
 * Propose merging Category:Scientists from the Colony of New South Wales to Category:19th-century Australian scientists
 * Propose merging Category:Artists from the Colony of New South Wales to Category:Artists from New South Wales and Category:19th-century Australian artists
 * Propose merging Category:Businesspeople from the Colony of New South Wales to Category:Businesspeople from New South Wales and Category:19th-century Australian businesspeople
 * Nominator's rationale: Dual merge, non-defining intersection between colony location, occupation, and century. I also think it is worth noting that for the VAST majority of people, being from the Colony of New South Wales is not defining. Same logic as Categories_for_discussion/Log/2023_November_17 Categories_for_discussion/Log/2024_January_7 Mason (talk) 05:14, 24 January 2024 (UTC)

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 * If merged, then triple merge, also to Category:Colony of New South Wales people. Unless we are going to delete that category, the articles here ought to stay in this tree. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:22, 24 January 2024 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


 * Triple merge per Marcocapelle, and precedent discussions. The intersection between the past political status of NSW and occupation seems irrelevant to these individuals' biographies, as presumably a scientist or businesspeople goes on with the same occupation when the political status changes. Place Clichy (talk) 09:58, 2 February 2024 (UTC)


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Category:Humor and wit characters
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Category:BBC Daytime television series
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 * The result of the discussion was: Rename Uncontested for two weeks, could have been speedy renamed per C2A. * Pppery * <sub style="color:#800000">it has begun... 23:35, 8 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:BBC Daytime television series to Category:BBC daytime television series
 * Nominator's rationale: 'BBC Daytime' isn't an official name: Fuddle.  Similar to Category:Late night television programming. (talk) 05:43, 24 January 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Fictional characters involved in incest
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 * The result of the discussion was: no consensus. (non-admin closure) <b style="font-family:Courier New;">House Blaster </b> (talk · he/him) 23:43, 8 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting fictional characters involved in incest
 * Nominator's rationale: The "involved in" is a dead giveaway that this isn't defining for a character, just an aspect of the story itself. Therefore it clearly fails WP:NONDEF. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 23:53, 16 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Support per nom Mason (talk) 01:24, 17 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Oppose "just an aspect of the story itself" Incomprehensible. The story is what tells us about the life events of a character. Dimadick (talk) 01:49, 17 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Something outside of the character that happens to them is not the same thing as an intrinsic trait of the character that would be defining for them. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 06:17, 17 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Oppose per Dimadick AHI-3000 (talk) 20:53, 17 January 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Finno-Ugric peoples
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 * The result of the discussion was: no consensus. WP:NPASR applies.  ✗  plicit  00:44, 11 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Finno-Ugric peoples to Category:Uralic peoples
 * Nominator's rationale: The terms Finno-Ugric and Uralic are often used interchangeably and it is often unclear whether to classify pages under 'Uralic' or 'Finno-Ugric' (example) The subcategories of Uralic peoples should also mimic the structure of the template Template:Finno-Ugric peoples. Compare also with Category:Uralic languages, which is in a better shape. Jähmefyysikko (talk) 16:22, 16 January 2024 (UTC)

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 * Samoyedic peoples are apparently not part of Finno-Ugric peoples but part of Uralic peoples. By the way I wonder to what extent Finno-Ugric peoples and Uralic peoples are established terms because we do not have articles about them, they are just redirects to languages. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:39, 16 January 2024 (UTC)
 * The terms are quite conventional, even though one always needs to be aware of the dangers of using such ethnically loaded concepts. Nevertheless, the notion of 'Finno-Ugric peoples' is particularly important in Russian history. Both articles used to exist but were made into a redirects without any discussion. I am working on the topic now, and in my sandbox you can find a long list of references which do establish the terms. About the Samoyeds: In principle, Uralic is only synonymous with the long phrase "Finno-Ugric and Samoyedic", but in practice the mention of Samoyeds is often dropped and Uralic and Finno-Ugric are treated as synonyms. This is also supported by the fact that it does not seem possible to make linguistic distinction between things like Proto-Finno-Ugric and Proto-Uralic. Some further examples of usage: Category:Finno-Ugrists is correctly categorized in Category:Uralic languages, and all the individual articles currently in Category:Finno-Ugric peoples should more correctly be categorized to Category:Uralic peoples, since they all concern also the Samoyeds. Jähmefyysikko (talk) 20:33, 16 January 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Fictional bibliophiles
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 * The result of the discussion was: keep. (non-admin closure) <b style="font-family:Courier New;">House Blaster </b> (talk · he/him) 03:21, 9 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting fictional bibliophiles
 * Nominator's rationale: This would appear to be your standard WP:SUBJECTIVECAT as it is unclear what would qualify a fictional character to be a bibliophile, or what would make them defined by that trait. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 08:30, 16 January 2024 (UTC)

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 * Delete, a rather trivial characteristic. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:10, 16 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Keep, a lot of the entries seem to surpisingly fit, with Belle (Disney character), Twilight Sparkle and Hermione Granger all having a strong fascination with reading that defines their characters. Presuming the category is well maintained, that seems to be more objective of a category for fictional characters.
 * Keep "surpisingly fit" Not that surprising, since this is an entire type of characters, and not than rare either. In Twilight Sparkle's case, she spent part of her series living in a library and was the closest thing to a librarian which the main setting had. She did not just read books, she offered or lend books to other characters. Dimadick (talk) 02:06, 17 January 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Fictional travelers
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 * The result of the discussion was: no consensus. WP:NPASR applies.  ✗  plicit  00:43, 11 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Fictional travelers to Category:Fictional characters by behavior
 * Nominator's rationale: The vagueness of this category makes it a WP:SUBJECTIVECAT. Being a traveler in general is not a defining aspect of a character, whereas the subcategories arguably are defining, as they depict specific types of traveler, that aren't subjective in nature. Of course, the individual articles in the category would be purged. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 08:23, 16 January 2024 (UTC)
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 * Comment. I agree that it is confusing and vague, but we have the non-fictional version as well, which I think has the same problems. Mason (talk) 00:02, 25 January 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Dimensional travelers
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 * The result of the discussion was: no consensus. WP:NPASR applies.  ✗  plicit  00:43, 11 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting dimensional travelers
 * Nominator's rationale: Only the first category encompasses actual dimensional travelers. The others have members that are not necessarily defined by being a dimensional traveler, though they may have engaged in it. Therefore, the category is redundant, as well as potentially confusing due to its lack of "fictional". ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 07:20, 16 January 2024 (UTC)

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 * If not kept it should probably be merged to Category:Fictional travelers (or to Category:Fictional characters by behavior if Category:Fictional travelers is merged in the discussion above). If kept, rename to Category:Fictional dimensional travelers to avoid confusion. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:33, 16 January 2024 (UTC)
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Churches in the United Kingdom by century, 7th-17th century
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 * The result of the discussion was: no consensus. (non-admin closure) <b style="font-family:Courier New;">House Blaster </b> (talk · he/him) 03:22, 9 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting Category:7th-century churches in the United Kingdom, move countries to Category:7th-century churches by country
 * Propose deleting Category:8th-century churches in the United Kingdom, move countries to Category:8th-century churches by country
 * Propose deleting Category:9th-century churches in the United Kingdom, move countries to Category:9th-century churches by country
 * Propose deleting Category:10th-century churches in the United Kingdom, move countries to Category:10th-century churches by country
 * Propose deleting Category:11th-century churches in the United Kingdom, move countries to Category:11th-century churches by country
 * Propose deleting Category:12th-century churches in the United Kingdom, move countries to Category:12th-century churches by country
 * Propose deleting Category:13th-century churches in the United Kingdom, move countries to Category:13th-century churches by country
 * Propose deleting Category:14th-century churches in the United Kingdom, move countries to Category:14th-century churches by country
 * Propose deleting Category:15th-century churches in the United Kingdom, move countries to Category:15th-century churches by country
 * Propose deleting Category:16th-century churches in the United Kingdom, move countries to Category:16th-century churches by country
 * Propose deleting Category:17th-century churches in the United Kingdom, move countries to Category:17th-century churches by country
 * Nominator's rationale: The United Kingdom didn't exist as these predate the Acts of Union 1707. As they were separate countries, churches by century categories for each nation should be in corresponding century and country category. Suonii180 (talk) 02:01, 16 January 2024 (UTC)

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 * Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:22, 16 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Keep as part of Category:Architecture by country and century. The rationale of this nomination would equally touch the "architecture" parents in Category:Architecture in the United Kingdom by century, and Category:19th-century churches in the Republic of Ireland and a good many other country hierarchies. We should not delete "anachronistic" intersections of architectural period and modern country, e.g. we should keep Category:Baroque Revival architecture in the Republic of Ireland even though the period of Baroque Revival architecture ended before the Republic of Ireland was established. Likewise we should not delete architecture by century. The content is clearly understandable as buildings within a modern border that were completed in a past century. – Fayenatic  L ondon 12:41, 16 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Even though etc would be kept, losing the UK hierarchy before C18 would not be helpful for navigation. The C11 and C12 categories also include member pages in the Channel Islands, which would no longer be accessible by country and century if the nomination were approved. Moreover, 11th to 14th also have subcats for RC churches. – Fayenatic  L ondon 12:45, 16 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Both of the categories regarding RC churches only contain churches which are in England. They could be renamed accordingly and fit into 11th and 14th-century churches in England categories and Category:11th-century Roman Catholic church buildings by country and Category:14th-century Roman Catholic church buildings by country. Suonii180 (talk) 19:13, 16 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Keep. This means buildings now in the United Kingdom that date from those centuries. It's a fundamental misunderstanding of the categories. -- Necrothesp (talk) 16:25, 16 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Merge per nom. We cannot pretend that the United Kingdom existed before its foundation. Alternatively, rename to Category:YYth-century churches in Great Britian to match Category:17th century in Great Britain, etc. –Aidan721 (talk) 17:34, 16 January 2024 (UTC)
 * It doesn't mean buildings that were built in the United Kingdom in those centuries; it means buildings built in those centuries that are in the United Kingdom. Fundamental difference, as I said only one line above. Are we going to rename Category:7th-century churches in Italy or Category:10th-century churches in Germany or Category:17th-century churches in the Czech Republic too? How about Category:Paleo-Indian archaeological sites in the United States or Category:Ancient Greek archaeological sites in Albania? We need to speedy close this now. -- Necrothesp (talk) 10:51, 17 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Keep "The United Kingdom didn't exist" How the heck is that factoid relevant? This is a category for centuries-old buildings, divided by their geographic location. Dimadick (talk) 02:14, 17 January 2024 (UTC)
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 * Merge per nom. That said, I also like the alternative by Aiden: rename them to "YY-century churches in Great Britain" per Aiden's suggestion. Omnis Scientia (talk) 20:56, 24 January 2024 (UTC)

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 * Strong Keep Nonsense proposal - no modern country except perhaps Egypt existed 2,000 years ago, yet we have dozens if not hundreds of categories for Roman/Greek/Indian buildings by modern country. If the cats said "of" rather than "in" there might be the glimmering of a case, but they don't. Or has this proposal been very badly explained? The main stated grounds make no sense at all. Johnbod (talk) 04:51, 25 January 2024 (UTC)
 * U still around? I think you are one of the better editors on WP so I am surprised you are sticking it out! And I agree with you on this one. 121.98.204.148 (talk) 23:23, 25 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Keep and speedy close. The nom does not see the difference in "in" and "of" ("or constructed in"). 23:27, 25 January 2024 (UTC)  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.98.204.148 (talk)
 * Keep. Believe it or not, there are 16th-century churches in the United Kingdom. Today. Place Clichy (talk) 14:13, 1 February 2024 (UTC)
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 * Another completely unnecessary rollover by User:Qwerfjkl! This is a clear Keep. Johnbod (talk) 18:16, 5 February 2024 (UTC)
 * @Johnbod, This is not a clear keep, or I would have closed it as such. It may still end as keep, but it is by no means clear, which is why I relisted it. Qwerfjkl  talk  19:40, 5 February 2024 (UTC)
 * User:Qwerfjkl, it is clear there is no consensus (with keep votes the most numerous), so it defaults to keep. Johnbod (talk) 02:04, 6 February 2024 (UTC)
 * @Johnbod, "keep" is not the same as "no consensus" . I would close it as no consensus only if it was clear there was nothing left to discuss, that's the point of relisting. And these are !votes, so I don't count them. Qwerfjkl  talk  07:05, 6 February 2024 (UTC)


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Category:Hafez al-Assad
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 * The result of the discussion was: keep. (non-admin closure) <b style="font-family:Courier New;">House Blaster </b> (talk · he/him) 23:38, 8 February 2024 (UTC)
 * propose renaming Category:Hafez al-Assad to Category:Hafiz al-Assad.
 * Nominators rationale: As per the WP:C2D. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cactinites (talk • contribs)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Qwerfjkl  talk  20:25, 24 January 2024 (UTC)
 * the article has been moved three months ago without RM, so the usage of C2D as the main argument is questionable. It requires more substantive arguments. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:00, 16 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Oppose. Inconsistent even within the main article. It seems that the article move was probably motivated by an interpretation of Arabic-to-English transcription rather than common English usage. Place Clichy (talk) 18:17, 21 January 2024 (UTC)
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Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Qwerfjkl  talk  21:40, 1 February 2024 (UTC)
 * I have submitted a technical move request to move the article back. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:30, 24 January 2024 (UTC)
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 * This nomination is moot since the article is now back at its original title. Marcocapelle (talk) 22:48, 1 February 2024 (UTC)
 * I support a procedural speedy close, per lack of rationale. Place Clichy (talk) 10:00, 2 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Keep/close, Another completely unnecessary rollover by User:Qwerfjkl! Johnbod (talk) 18:17, 5 February 2024 (UTC)


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Category:Ukrainian territories claimed by Russia
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 * Propose deleting ukrainian territories claimed by russia
 * Nominator's rationale: WP:NONDEFINING, Russian officials have laid claim to various areas in Ukraine, with some claiming the entirety of Ukraine. Yorkporter (talk) 21:32, 1 February 2024 (UTC)


 * Delete as a matter of recentism. Marcocapelle (talk) 22:50, 1 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Delete, recentism indeed. Russia also claimed 'Ukrainian' territories with very different limits in the 18th century or in the early 20th century. Place Clichy (talk) 10:03, 2 February 2024 (UTC)


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Category:Swedish migration to North America
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 * Propose renaming to
 * Propose renaming to
 * Propose renaming to
 * Nominator's rationale: better fits the content, as well as sibling categories. Besides the emigrants children categories (which can be reparented), these categories are in fact not just about migration but also diaspora including subsequent generations, their culture etc. Place Clichy (talk) 20:24, 1 February 2024 (UTC)


 * Rename per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 22:51, 1 February 2024 (UTC)


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Category:Female soldiers
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Category:Railway stations in Weston-super-Mare
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 * Propose renaming Category:Railway stations in Weston-super-Mare to Category:Railway stations in North Somerset
 * Nominator's rationale: This is the official name for the subdivision it belongs to, so I believe this is a more fitting name — Preceding unsigned comment added by Class444SWRail (talk • contribs) 18:13, 1 February 2024 (UTC)


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Category:Railway stations in Bath, Somerset
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 * Propose renaming Category:Railway stations in Bath, Somerset to Category:Railway stations in Bath & North East Somerset
 * Nominator's rationale: This is the official name for the subdivision, so I believe the category name for it should be reflective. Class444SWRail (talk) 14:15, 2 February 2024 (UTC) Class444SWRail


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Category:Railway stations in Bristol, Bath and South Gloucestershire
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 * Propose renaming Category:Railway stations in Bristol, Bath and South Gloucestershire to Category:Railway stations in South Gloucestershire
 * Nominator's rationale: This is the official name for the subdivision, so I believe the category name for it should be reflective. Class444SWRail (talk) 14:15, 2 February 2024 (UTC) Class444SWRail


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Category:History of the United States by ethnic group
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 * Propose renaming to
 * Propose renaming to
 * Nominator's rationale: better fits the actual content, and homogeneous with siblings e.g., etc. Place Clichy (talk) 17:12, 1 February 2024 (UTC)


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Category:Unorganized territory of the United States
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 * Propose deleting unorganized territory of the united states
 * Nominator's rationale: WP:OVERLAPCAT, unuseful duplicate of long-standing . Current content is 9 articles for islands all already in the former category: Baker Island, Howland Island, Jarvis Island, Johnston Atoll, Kingman Reef, Midway Atoll, Navassa Island, Palmyra Atoll, Wake Island. They are sometimes in a child category, hence deletion is better than merger. Place Clichy (talk) 15:31, 1 February 2024 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:01, 1 February 2024 (UTC)


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Category:Wives of Rupert Murdoch
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Category:QAnon
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 * The result of the discussion was: purge. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  16:05, 9 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Propose splitting Category:QAnon to Category:QAnon and Category:QAnon supporters
 * Nominator's rationale: We seem to have a mix of biographical and non-biographical articles here, which fails WP:COPSEP. -- wooden superman  12:31, 1 February 2024 (UTC)


 * Support It seems to be a good idea for a subcategory, if we have more than 5 bio articles on this topic. Dimadick (talk) 13:18, 1 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Oppose, but purge biographies per WP:COPSEP, and the previous discussion about Category:Alt-right politicians in the United States. There is considerable overlap in closely-related U.S. conservatism categories. Splitting people already categorized as conservative politicians would not be an improvement. Place Clichy (talk) 15:53, 1 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Purge biographies which are already in Category:American conspiracy theorists if applicable, and that is perfectly fine. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:16, 1 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Purge biographies but keep per above. <b style="font-family:Courier New;">House Blaster </b> (talk · he/him) 03:16, 9 February 2024 (UTC)


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Category:Paleoconservatism
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 * The result of the discussion was: purge. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  16:08, 9 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Propose splitting Category:Paleoconservatism to Category:Paleoconservatism and Category:Paleoconservatives
 * Nominator's rationale: We seem to have a mix of biographical and non-biographical articles here, which fails WP:COPSEP -- wooden superman  12:30, 1 February 2024 (UTC)


 * Support It seems to be a good idea for a subcategory, if we have more than 5 bio articles on this topic. Dimadick (talk) 13:18, 1 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Oppose, but purge biographies per WP:COPSEP, and the previous discussion about Category:Alt-right politicians in the United States. There is considerable overlap in closely-related U.S. conservatism categories. Splitting people already categorized as conservative politicians would not be an improvement. Place Clichy (talk) 15:53, 1 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Purge biographies per WP:OPINIONCAT for non-politicians (while politicians belong in a category by party). Marcocapelle (talk) 19:29, 1 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Purge biographies but keep per above. <b style="font-family:Courier New;">House Blaster </b> (talk · he/him) 03:16, 9 February 2024 (UTC)


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Category:Right-wing populism in the United States
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 * The result of the discussion was: purge. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  16:08, 9 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Propose splitting Category:Right-wing populism in the United States to Category:Right-wing populism in the United States and Category:Right-wing populists in the United States
 * Nominator's rationale: We seem to have a mix of biographical and non-biographical articles here, which fails WP:COPSEP. -- wooden superman  12:28, 1 February 2024 (UTC)


 * Week-oppose This is a possible pejorative term. Does any source actually call them "Right-wing populists" Dimadick (talk) 13:21, 1 February 2024 (UTC)
 * If it is the case that this is perjorative, then either way the biographical articles should be purged from this non-biographical category. -- wooden superman  13:23, 1 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Oppose, but purge biographies per WP:COPSEP, and the previous discussion about Category:Alt-right politicians in the United States. There is considerable overlap in closely-related U.S. conservatism categories. Splitting people already categorized as conservative politicians would not be an improvement. Place Clichy (talk) 15:53, 1 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Purge biographies per WP:OPINIONCAT for non-politicians (while politicians belong in a category by party). Marcocapelle (talk) 19:34, 1 February 2024 (UTC)
 * comment Right-wing populism is very different from conservatism and should never be conflated, as some of the comments above do so. Hmains (talk) 02:06, 2 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Purge biographies per above, but keep. <b style="font-family:Courier New;">House Blaster </b> (talk · he/him) 23:40, 8 February 2024 (UTC)


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Category:Translators of Ray Bradbury
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Category:Translators of Agatha Christie
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Category:Floristry by country
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 * The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure) <b style="font-family:Courier New;">House Blaster </b> (talk · he/him) 23:36, 8 February 2024 (UTC)


 * Propose deleting floristry by country
 * Nominator's rationale: Only one category in here, which is unhelpful for navigation. Delete instead of merge because the child category is already in the proper categories. Mason (talk) 06:13, 1 February 2024 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:39, 1 February 2024 (UTC)


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Category:Lists of flower festivals
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 * Propose splitting Category:Lists of flower festivals to Category:Lists of garden festivals and Category:Flower festivals
 * Nominator's rationale: Upmerge for now. There's only one page in here, which isn't helpful for navigation Mason (talk) 05:57, 1 February 2024 (UTC)


 * Merge for now, without objection to recreate the category when some more articles are available. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:41, 1 February 2024 (UTC)


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Category:Greek mythology of Illyria
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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. Rather than drag this CfD out for another week, I would ask that interested editors take the discussion of whether Illyrius ought to be in Category:Illyrian mythology to Talk:Illyrius. Thanks, (non-admin closure) <b style="font-family:Courier New;">House Blaster </b> (talk · he/him) 02:22, 9 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Greek mythology of Illyria to Category:Illyrian mythology
 * Nominator's rationale: Not really sure that a distinction needs to be made here. Other parent category is Category:Greek mythology by region Mason (talk) 05:34, 1 February 2024 (UTC)


 * Just delete, the article is already in Category:Characters in Greek mythology and does not belong in (non-Greek) Category:Illyrian mythology. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:29, 1 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Support merge: The characters maybe in Greek mythology but Illyrian is a separate culture and civilization itself. For example, there are many deities that span multiple religions and civilizations, and it would not be objective to claim they're proprietary to just one and not another. If the two nominated Categories each had extensive entries I would have recommended keeping the two separate, since what the Ancient Greeks claimed of Illyria and what Illyrians claimed of themselves (or what modern research attributes to Illyrians) are two distinct scopes of topics. DA1 (talk) 09:34, 1 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Delete per Marcocapelle. We're just talking about article Illyrius here. This character is presently absent from topic articles Illyrian religion and Paleo-Balkan mythology, and seems to be an eponymous ancestor assumed by the Greeks and Romans for the Illyrians rather than a deity worshiped by this non-Greek people. Place Clichy (talk) 15:59, 1 February 2024 (UTC)


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Category:Films directed by Ray Smallwood
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 * The result of the discussion was: merge but trout nominator for emptying a category out-of-process. (non-admin closure) <b style="font-family:Courier New;">House Blaster </b> (talk · he/him) 00:13, 9 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Films directed by Ray Smallwood to Category:Films directed by Ray C. Smallwood
 * Nominator's rationale: These refer to the same director. Goustien (talk) 04:55, 1 February 2024 (UTC)


 * The category is empty, there is nothing to merge. Marcocapelle (talk) 04:59, 1 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Redirect category. However it looks like the nominator removed all the categories from Category:Films directed by Ray Smallwood https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Category:Films_directed_by_Ray_Smallwood&diff=prev&oldid=1201680829 Mason (talk) 05:23, 1 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Comment Yes, the nominator, Goustien, removed all of the contents of Category:Films directed by Ray Smallwood rendering this discussion pointless. Liz <sup style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: #006400;">Read! Talk! 07:42, 1 February 2024 (UTC)


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Category:Iowa Wesleyan Tigers football seasons
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Category:Pennsylvania lobbyists
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 * The result of the discussion was: merge to Category:American lobbyists. (non-admin closure) <b style="font-family:Courier New;">House Blaster </b> (talk · he/him) 23:44, 8 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Propose splitting Category:Pennsylvania lobbyists to Category:American lobbyists and Category:People from Pennsylvania
 * Nominator's rationale: Dual merge. We don't need to diffuse lobbyists by their state. Mason (talk) 04:41, 1 February 2024 (UTC)


 * Merge per nom, but only to Category:American lobbyists because the articles are already in various subcategories in the tree of Category:People from Pennsylvania. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:05, 1 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Merge to Category:American lobbyists per Marcocapelle. Place Clichy (talk) 15:42, 1 February 2024 (UTC)


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Category:1910s business films
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Category:1910 government budgets
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Category:Sober people
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 * The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure) <b style="font-family:Courier New;">House Blaster </b> (talk · he/him) 23:35, 8 February 2024 (UTC)


 * Propose deleting sober people
 * Nominator's rationale: I have doubts as to whether this is a defining category for individuals. Additionally, when I spot-checked several of the individuals for whom this category has been applied, I didn't see anything stating that those individuals are currently sober. DonIago (talk) 03:49, 1 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. Mason (talk) 04:08, 1 February 2024 (UTC)


 * Delete, trivial characteristic. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:11, 1 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Delete I am generally in favor on categorizing people by medical conditions or personal beliefs. But not on whether they drink alcohol or smoke cigarettes. Who is going to search for that kind of information? Dimadick (talk) 13:28, 1 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Delete per above. Being cured from addiction is interesting, and should be explained in article body. However, People cured from the flu or another disease or condition will not be a good basis for a category. Place Clichy (talk) 15:38, 1 February 2024 (UTC)


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Category:Copper Buddha statues
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 * Propose merging Category:Copper Buddha statues to Category:Copper sculptures and Category:Buddha statues
 * Nominator's rationale: Upmerge for now. There's only one copper statue in here, which isn't helpful for navigaiton. Mason (talk) 02:28, 1 February 2024 (UTC)


 * Merge for now, without objection to recreate the category when some more articles are available. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:12, 1 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Merge I suspect that we already have more relevant articles on the topic. But the material of the statue has nothing to do with what it depicts. It seems to be a trivial intersection. Dimadick (talk) 13:30, 1 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Strongly disagree with that last bit. But copper statues tend to be regarded as bronze statues, as the Sultanganj Buddha was for over a century, until an actual analysis was done. Johnbod (talk) 17:58, 5 February 2024 (UTC)


 * Probably Merge One day we will probably follow the museums and go to Category:Copper and copper alloy sculptures, but not yet. The Spring Temple Buddha in China is actually copper, per the article, but is categorized as bronze. The are probably several more. So that's 2 - is that enough?  Johnbod (talk) 17:58, 5 February 2024 (UTC)


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Category:GA-Class vital articles in Biology
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 * The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkl  talk  11:32, 9 February 2024 (UTC)


 * Propose deleting ga-class vital articles in biology
 * Nominator's rationale: Given the target category literally begins with the title of this page, I am not seeing how this is a useful category redirect? <b style="font-family:Courier New;">House Blaster </b> (talk · he/him) 02:19, 1 February 2024 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:14, 1 February 2024 (UTC)


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Category:Mesoamerican music
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Category:Songs from television series
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 * The result of the discussion was: rename & purge. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  16:06, 9 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Songs from television series to Category:Songs written for television series
 * Nominator's rationale: WP:C2C for parent category Category:Songs written for works; sibling categories Category:Songs written for video games‎ and Category:Songs written for films‎. However, I am listing this for a full CfD because it would entail purging the category of songs which were not defined by being for a TV series. <b style="font-family:Courier New;">House Blaster </b> (talk · he/him) 01:07, 1 February 2024 (UTC)


 * Rename and purge per precedent. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:17, 1 February 2024 (UTC)


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