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Category:Racing drivers from Mesa, Arizona

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge (non-admin closure) House Blaster  (talk · he/him) 02:00, 26 February 2024 (UTC)


 * Propose merging Category:Racing drivers from Mesa, Arizona to Category:Sportspeople from Mesa, Arizona
 * Nominator's rationale: Per WP:NARROWCAT (1 article). It is already in . User:Namiba 23:52, 18 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Support per nom Mason (talk) 02:22, 19 February 2024 (UTC)


 * Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:28, 19 February 2024 (UTC)


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Category:Seasons in Aruban football

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge (non-admin closure) House Blaster  (talk · he/him) 22:35, 25 February 2024 (UTC)


 * Propose merging category to Category:2018 in Aruban sport and Category:2019 in Aruban sport
 * Propose merging category to Category:2019 in Aruban sport and Category:2020 in Aruban sport
 * Propose merging category to Category:2020 in Aruban sport and Category:2021 in Aruban sport
 * Propose merging category to Category:2021 in Aruban sport and Category:2022 in Aruban sport
 * Propose merging category to Category:2022 in Aruban sport and Category:2023 in Aruban sport
 * Propose deleting category
 * Nominator's rationale: WP:NARROWCAT. Merge/delete. The lone articles are already in the parent trees, so an additional merge is unnecessary. –Aidan721 (talk) 21:13, 18 February 2024 (UTC)


 * Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:09, 21 February 2024 (UTC)


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Category:Fairfield Stags rugby

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge (non-admin closure) House Blaster  (talk · he/him) 20:37, 25 February 2024 (UTC)


 * Propose merging Category:Fairfield Stags rugby to Category:Fairfield Stags
 * Nominator's rationale: Only one page in category Let&#39;srun (talk) 19:50, 18 February 2024 (UTC)


 * Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:25, 18 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Merge per (or in spirit of) WP:C2F. –Aidan721 (talk) 21:15, 18 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Merge Per nom. Rugbyfan22 (talk) 19:49, 19 February 2024 (UTC)


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Category:Assassinated cartoonists

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge (non-admin closure) House Blaster  (talk · he/him) 16:44, 25 February 2024 (UTC)


 * Propose merging Category:Assassinated cartoonists to Category:Assassinated mass media people
 * Nominator's rationale: Per WP:NARROWCAT. Very few cartoonists are assassinated aside from the Charlie Hebdo incident. The one article in this category was murdered during a robbery, not assassinated for being a cartoonist. User:Namiba 16:33, 18 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Merge per nom. PARAKANYAA (talk) 17:22, 18 February 2024 (UTC)


 * Merge per nom and move the article to Category:Murdered artists instead. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:27, 18 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Support per nom Mason (talk) 02:22, 19 February 2024 (UTC)


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Category:Spree killers

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge (non-admin closure) House Blaster  (talk · he/him) 22:36, 25 February 2024 (UTC)


 * Propose merging Category:Spree killers to Category:Mass murderers
 * Propose merging Category:Executed spree killers to Category:Executed mass murderers
 * Propose merging Category:Executed American spree killers to Category:Executed American mass murderers
 * Propose merging Category:Spree killers by nationality to Category:Mass murderers by nationality
 * Propose merging Category:Female spree killers to Category:Female mass murderers
 * Propose merging Category:American spree killers to Category:American mass murderers
 * Propose merging Category:Argentine spree killers to Category:Argentine mass murderers
 * Propose merging Category:Australian spree killers to Category:Australian mass murderers
 * Propose merging Category:Belgian spree killers to Category:Belgian mass murderers
 * Propose merging Category:British spree killers to Category:British mass murderers
 * Propose merging Category:English spree killers to Category:English mass murderers
 * Propose merging Category:Scottish spree killers to Category:Scottish mass murderers
 * Propose merging Category:Canadian spree killers to Category:Canadian mass murderers
 * Propose merging Category:Chinese spree killers to Category:Chinese mass murderers
 * Propose merging Category:Colombian spree killers to Category:Colombian mass murderers
 * Propose merging Category:Czech spree killers to Category:Czech mass murderers
 * Propose merging Category:Democratic Republic of the Congo spree killers to Category:Democratic Republic of the Congo murderers
 * Propose merging Category:French spree killers to Category:French mass murderers
 * Propose merging Category:German spree killers to Category:German mass murderers
 * Propose merging Category:Italian spree killers to Category:Italian mass murderers
 * Propose merging Category:Japanese spree killers to Category:Japanese mass murderers
 * Propose merging Category:Mexican spree killers to Category:Mexican mass murderers
 * Propose merging Category:Nepalese spree killers to Category:Nepalese mass murderers
 * Propose merging Category:New Zealand spree killers to Category:New Zealand mass murderers
 * Propose merging Category:Russian spree killers to Category:Russian mass murderers
 * Propose merging Category:Serbian spree killers to Category:Serbian mass murderers
 * Propose merging Category:South African spree killers to Category:South African mass murderers
 * Propose merging Category:South Korean spree killers to Category:South Korean mass murderers
 * Propose merging Category:Soviet spree killers to Category:Soviet mass murderers
 * Propose merging Category:Spanish spree killers to Category:Spanish mass murderers
 * Propose merging Category:Swedish spree killers to Category:Swedish mass murderers
 * Propose merging Category:Swiss spree killers to Category:Swiss mass murderers
 * Propose merging Category:Turkish spree killers to Category:Turkish mass murderers
 * Propose merging Category:Ukrainian spree killers to Category:Ukrainian mass murderers
 * Nominator's rationale: Per discussion at the CfD for "fictional spree killers". I apologize if I did this incorrectly I have little experience with CfD (I intended to nominate all the subcategories by nationality, idk how to do that though)

Spree killers is a used term that I have no opposition to being used in articles, I do not dispute that. The problem is that it is almost entirely used subjectively as one of three things:

1 - a mass killer who committed the act in multiple places, which is not defining (it used to be considered defining, but no longer is), however people who technically qualify as this are often never called it

2 - serial killers without a proper cooldown period, which are still serial killers under the view of most criminologists nowadays

3 - synonym for mass murderer used to avoid the fact that mass killing has a secondary definition of "state sponsored killing of a lot of people" vs the act of one person

Sometimes spree killer is defined as being in multiple locations, and sometimes mass killer is excluded to one location, but just as often not. They're basically synonyms with different connotations. TLDR: Subjectivecat with 95% overlap with mass murderer, similar to the active shooter incidents category which was deleted per discussion a while back. Some entries should be instead merged to serial killer depending on context (though the vast majority are mass murderers). It is a term used yes, but not separate enough from mass murder to be defining. PARAKANYAA (talk) 15:33, 18 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Merge per nom. you should also list and tag the subcategories, but otherwise your nomination is good. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:31, 18 February 2024 (UTC)
 * @Marcocapelle I don't know how to do that as part of one nomination. Do I tag them with the discussion template manually and then just add them here? PARAKANYAA (talk) 20:41, 18 February 2024 (UTC)
 * I edited the tag such that it now can be copied to the subcategories while linking to this section. Unfortunately this is going to be just a matter of copy and paste. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:58, 18 February 2024 (UTC)
 * @Marcocapelle I did it. I hope correctly! PARAKANYAA (talk) 23:14, 18 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Perfect! Marcocapelle (talk) 06:01, 19 February 2024 (UTC)


 * Comment Spree killing and mass murder is different though. Not sure what the benefit is of merging all of these long-standing cats. ~WikiOriginal-9~  ( talk ) 02:53, 19 February 2024 (UTC)]
 * @WikiOriginal-9 The difference is subjective and extremely inconsistent between definitions which is not good for categories. The benefit is we don't have a bunch of categories that are 1) largely duplicative and 2) you can predict know who will be in what category, which is not true at the moment.
 * When do you count someone as having gone on a "spree"? Multiple locations? How far away does it have to be to count as multiple? Timespan - How much timespan between Mass, serial, and spree? There is no line. Are you just going by what the source calls em? Well too bad, they might just be called a mass murderer even though they hit a bunch of different locations (this happens constantly nowadays) or the source might be really old and just say they "ran amuck". Sometimes someone who only hit one location was described as a "spree killer"
 * This has been bothering me since the moment I started editing. There's a 'difference' between a lot of things that are categorized together, like for example, "Active Shooter Incidents" are a notable subtype of mass shooting, but it has such high overlap with mass shooting that it's pointless to sort by (and was deleted) PARAKANYAA (talk) 11:28, 19 February 2024 (UTC)


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Category:Emirati shipbuilders
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 * The result of the discussion was: merge (non-admin closure) <b style="font-family:Courier New;">House Blaster </b> (talk · he/him) 16:44, 25 February 2024 (UTC)


 * Propose merging Category:Emirati shipbuilders to Category:Water transport in the United Arab Emirates
 * Nominator's rationale: No people are in this category, just the companies that build ships .Upmerge for now. Mason (talk) 14:33, 18 February 2024 (UTC)


 * Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:33, 18 February 2024 (UTC)


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Category:17th-century Danish shipbuilders
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 * The result of the discussion was: merge (non-admin closure) <b style="font-family:Courier New;">House Blaster </b> (talk · he/him) 16:44, 25 February 2024 (UTC)


 * Propose merging Category:17th-century Danish shipbuilders to Category:Danish shipbuilders and Category:17th-century Danish artisans and Category:17th-century shipbuilders
 * Nominator's rationale: Triple upmerge for now. There's only one page in here, which isn't helpful for navigation Mason (talk) 14:27, 18 February 2024 (UTC)


 * Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:37, 18 February 2024 (UTC)


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Category:16th-century male musicians by nationality
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 * The result of the discussion was: merge (non-admin closure) <b style="font-family:Courier New;">House Blaster </b> (talk · he/him) 16:44, 25 February 2024 (UTC)


 * Propose merging Category:16th-century male musicians by nationality to Category:16th-century male musicians
 * Nominator's rationale: Upmerge for now. only one category in here, which isn't helpful for navigation Mason (talk) 14:19, 18 February 2024 (UTC)


 * Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:39, 18 February 2024 (UTC)


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Category:Works about taxi drivers
Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 February 26%23Category:Works about taxi drivers

Category:EuroBasket Women templates
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 * The result of the discussion was: rename to Category:EuroBasket Women navigational boxes. (non-admin closure) <b style="font-family:Courier New;">House Blaster </b> (talk · he/him) 16:45, 25 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:EuroBasket Women templates to Category:FIBA Women's EuroBasket navigational boxes
 * Nominator's rationale: "FIBA Women's EuroBasket" is the official name of that competition; "navigational boxes" are Wikipedia naming standard for such categories, see the men's version: Category:FIBA EuroBasket navigational boxes. Maiō T. (talk) 17:08, 10 February 2024 (UTC)
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 * Oppose. The article is EuroBasket Women and the main category is Category:EuroBasket Women. Support using "navigational boxes instead of "templates". –Aidan721 (talk) 21:18, 18 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Okay, I support Aidan721's proposal. Let's move that category to Category:EuroBasket Women navigational boxes. Maiō T. (talk) 18:06, 22 February 2024 (UTC)


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Category:Roman waystations in Bulgaria
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 * The result of the discussion was: merge (non-admin closure) <b style="font-family:Courier New;">House Blaster </b> (talk · he/him) 16:45, 25 February 2024 (UTC)

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 * Propose merging Category:Roman waystations in Bulgaria to Category:Roman waystations
 * Nominator's rationale: merge, currently only one article in the category, this is not helpful for navigation. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:30, 10 February 2024 (UTC)
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 * Support per nom Mason (talk) 02:23, 19 February 2024 (UTC)


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Category:Heaven and hell novels
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 * The result of the discussion was: merge (non-admin closure) <b style="font-family:Courier New;">House Blaster </b> (talk · he/him) 16:45, 25 February 2024 (UTC)

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 * Propose splitting Category:Heaven and hell novels to Category:Novels set in heaven and Category:Novels set in hell
 * Nominator's rationale: By "split" here I mean dual merge. Appears to be a WP:ARBITRARYCAT (i.e. why not "heaven, hell and purgatory" novels or "Earth and heaven" novels, etc.) Novels that are set in both heaven and hell can simply be in both categories at once. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 23:13, 10 February 2024 (UTC)
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Category:19th-century Roman Catholic bishops in the Papal States
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 * The result of the discussion was: no consensus. (non-admin closure)  Toadette  ( Let's discuss together! ) 07:51, 26 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting 19th-century roman catholic bishops in the papal states
 * Nominator's rationale: Overly narrow category of unclear necessity. Firstly, the Papal States were never exactly a country in the conventional sense, but more a ragtag collection of territories under the direct rule of the Pope -- so doesn't have nearly as developed a scheme of subcategories as most real countries do, including virtually no scheme of "XX-century anything from the Papal States" categories for anybody besides the popes themselves. For instance, we don't have a, or a , or even a , to parent this at all. Secondly, and perhaps even more importantly, this was created in such a way that it was essentially broken right from the start: it's using one of those automated "Thing by country and century category header" templates that standardize the format of related categories and farm their category parentage off to a module, but said module is not coded to recognize the Papal States as a country at all for the purposes of generating "in the Papal States" categories, meaning it's only generating disabled or redlinked nonsense categories like  and  that can't legitimately be created at all -- so I've had to suppress the template's autogenerated categories for being unfixable nonsense, and manually categorize it in parent categories that actually exist, which rather defeats the purpose of even using the template. So for both of those reasons, it's far from clear that an inherently broken category with very few logical parents would be needed for just two people at all. Bearcat (talk) 22:29, 1 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Generally, I would agree with you. I would suggest using the categories for bishop in the existing countries, instead, I believe, it was an editors' consensus which led to creation of these categories for non-existing historical states (for example: or ). The Papal States are a historical country, just as much the Republic of Geneva or the Ottoman Empire are. And there's lots of clergy and bishops who lived and died in the State of the Church as it was officialy called. Governor Sheng (talk) 22:35, 1 February 2024 (UTC)

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 * I am not against the category per se, the Papal States are generally recognized as a country in its own right until the unification of Italy. However, there are currently only an apostolic administrator and an auxilary bishop in this category, so I am not opposing either. Marcocapelle (talk) 22:42, 1 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Comment. If not kept, it should be merged to Category:19th-century Roman Catholic bishops and Category:Roman Catholic bishops in the Papal States. Second, as the person who wrote and maintains the Bishops in Foo templates, I just haven't had the time to add non-current countries to the template. So I don't think that that's a good reason to support deletion. Mason (talk) 23:08, 1 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Theoretically, all of the Popes who rulled the Papal States, could be added to the category(ies). Governor Sheng (talk) 19:22, 5 February 2024 (UTC)
 * The merge is redundant because both articles are already in Category:19th-century Roman Catholic bishops in Bosnia and Herzegovina and Category:Roman Catholic bishops in the Papal States does not exist. Marcocapelle (talk) 23:36, 1 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Well, we could rename the category to Category:Roman Catholic bishops in the Papal States Mason (talk) 16:43, 4 February 2024 (UTC)
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 * Delete The conclusion of the above discussion seems to be that this category is redundant as it stands. Renaming as Mason suggests above would result in an incomplete category that it's unlikely anyone will bother to fill, and hence be misleading in a different way. * Pppery * <sub style="color:#800000">it has begun... 03:28, 14 February 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Modern Latin-language writers
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 * The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure) <b style="font-family:Courier New;">House Blaster </b> (talk · he/him) 16:56, 25 February 2024 (UTC)


 * Propose deleting modern latin-language writers
 * Nominator's rationale: delete per WP:OVERLAPCAT, all of this is contained in Category:Neo-Latin writers. Modern Latin redirects to Neo-Latin. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:19, 9 February 2024 (UTC)

Relisting comment: This was previously nominated at Categories for discussion/Log/2023 December 28. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Qwerfjkl  talk  12:36, 18 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Support per nom Mason (talk) 03:54, 10 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Oppose. This category was nominated for deletion by the same nominator, and kept less than two months ago.  Additionally, the rationale given appears to be erroneous: the category is presumably for modern writers in Latin, not writers of any era in neo-Latin.  It doesn't matter what variety of Latin the author writes in, but whether the writing occurs in modern times, here defined by its contents as from the nineteenth century to the present.  P Aculeius (talk) 11:47, 10 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Oppose per last time and P Aculeius. "Modern" is used to modify different terms in the category and article redirect. Johnbod (talk) 14:33, 10 February 2024 (UTC)
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 * Delete per nom. Omnis Scientia (talk) 14:18, 18 February 2024 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom. This is not a useful categorization. –Aidan721 (talk) 21:19, 18 February 2024 (UTC)


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Category:Atheist writers
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 * The result of the discussion was: rename to Category:Writers on Atheism and purge. (non-admin closure) <b style="font-family:Courier New;">House Blaster </b> (talk · he/him) 20:36, 25 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Atheist writers to Category:Writers on Atheism
 * Nominator's rationale: I think that we should rename this category to make it clearer that these are people who write about the subject of atheism. rather than writers who are atheists. I modeled the rename on Category:Writers on Germanic paganism‎ and other categories like it in Category:Writers by non-fiction subject area. Mason (talk) 04:53, 9 February 2024 (UTC)

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 * That would require quite a bit of purging too. The current category rather contains writers who are atheists. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:09, 9 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Oppose. Although this page includes the phrase "People who write about atheism, the page for the subcategory Category:English atheist writers contains the following: "English writers who are or were atheists." There seems to be a central confusion about whether the category should refer to the beliefs of the writers, or their subject matter. No doubt there would be considerable overlap between Category:Atheist writers and Category:Writers on Atheism as many of the writers whom editors think to categorize as atheists write about atheism, but the two are by no means interchangeable. I think the phrase "People who write about atheism" should be changed to "Writers who are or were atheists" as that reflects more natural and unambiguous language usage. For example, if the proposed change were made, how would an editor characterize a religious writer who wrote against atheism? Category:Atheist writers would be misleading. And confusing, if combined with a religious category. — scribbling  woman  18:38, 9 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Well, how do you suggest we resolve the contradiction? The intersection between being an atheist and being a writer isn't a defining one, whereas being a writer about athesim is. Mason (talk) 03:56, 10 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Oppose - that is a complete redefinition of the category which has no direct connection to the current content. It would be better to instead create/propose the desired category, and separately submit this one for deletion if it is warranted (I don't see how it would be - they can live side-by-side). Repurposing this category with a rename is the wrong way to handle it. edit: I've corrected the categorization of this so that it reflects correctly that this is not intended as a subject area category. -- Netoholic @ 04:41, 10 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Addendum: There is a huge list of writers who were atheists here on Wikipedia: List of atheist authors. The category could be better used, certainly. Work for a rainy day. — scribbling  woman  03:09, 13 February 2024 (UTC)
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 * Support (including purging), keeping the category as is results in a trivial intersection per WP:EGRS, it should rather be converted to something that is really defining. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:06, 18 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Support per nom. It is the topic of writing that is notable. The category in its current name is already better served by the list mentioned by Scibblingwoman. –Aidan721 (talk) 21:23, 18 February 2024 (UTC)


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Category:Dutch atheist writers
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Category:Translators of Ray Bradbury
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 * The result of the discussion was: no consensus with no prejudice against speedy renomination (especially nominating the entire tree). (non-admin closure) <b style="font-family:Courier New;">House Blaster </b> (talk · he/him) 20:41, 25 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting translators of ray bradbury
 * Nominator's rationale: Non-defining; WP:OCASSOC -- wooden superman  10:01, 1 February 2024 (UTC)

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 * question: are these the first two nominations of subcategories of Category:Translators by writer and will others follow soon? Or if not, why do these two stand out? Marcocapelle (talk) 08:13, 2 February 2024 (UTC)
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 * I'm not entirely convinced we need translators by writer, but if it's a valid category this appears like it would also be a valid category. SportingFlyer  T · C  19:56, 23 February 2024 (UTC)


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Category:Mesoamerican music
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 * The result of the discussion was: no consensus. (non-admin closure)  Toadette  ( Let's discuss together! ) 07:50, 26 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Mesoamerican music to Category:Mesoamerican art
 * Nominator's rationale: Only one category in here, which isn't helpful for navigation Mason (talk) 01:57, 1 February 2024 (UTC)

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 * Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:16, 1 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Oppose I doubt that the category is useful, and would not mind deleting it. But Category:Mesoamerican art is part of a category tree for visual arts. Music is not a visual medium. Dimadick (talk) 13:32, 1 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Merge as nom. Category:Mesoamerican art is defined as "the artistic expression documented for Pre-Columbian Mesoamerican cultures and civilizations" and already includes Maya dance. The term of art is inherently ambiguous between visual arts stricto sensu and art at large. Place Clichy (talk) 15:41, 1 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Changed to Neutral. I don't feel strongly about that one, I'll defer to other editors. Place Clichy (talk) 17:34, 10 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Very Strong Oppose per Dimadick. We have a very long-standing, useful and necessary convention that in category names "art" means visual art.  Place Clichy, we absolutely should not screw that up, or there will be chaos, with hundreds if not thousands of nominations. Instead we should do as we do everywhere else, and set up Category:Mesoamerican arts (or similar title, but with "arts"), with a visual art sub-cat, & the dance and music, plus no doubt other stuff.  Marcocapelle, with all your experience, I'm slightly amazed and horrified you didn't pick up on this. Johnbod (talk) 18:11, 5 February 2024 (UTC)
 * You are right, we have this convention about art and arts in category names. I oversaw it because Category:Mesoamerican art is currently a parent category. Then instead merge to Category:Mesoamerican society or Category:Mesoamerica. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:58, 5 February 2024 (UTC)
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 * could you please comment on my later alternative proposal? Marcocapelle (talk) 07:34, 9 February 2024 (UTC)
 * That's a viable solution, but I still somewhat prefer setting up Category:Arts in Mesoamerica (that is the convention), with art as a sub-cat, and dance, music and maybe fashion etc in it. Category:Arts by period would be a parent. I must admit though that the "arts" tree gets a bit ragged dealing with older cultures. For example, there is no Category:Arts in ancient Rome, though really there should be. Johnbod (talk) 15:00, 9 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Oppose I have moved Maya music to the correct category, and it now has at least one member that belongs there. It's part of the established categorization scheme at Category:Central American music and isn't extraneous. If anything it should be merged there if it does get merged. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 17:43, 9 February 2024 (UTC)
 * I like Johnbod's suggestion of a merge target/rename target. Mason (talk) 20:08, 9 February 2024 (UTC)
 * "Art" vs "Arts" is going to cause no small amount of confusion. If it's going to be merged somewhere, it should be both Category:Mesoamerican society and Category:Central American music. However, I oppose a merge.  ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 23:58, 9 February 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Latin American people by descent
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 * The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure) <b style="font-family:Courier New;">House Blaster </b> (talk · he/him) 20:44, 25 February 2024 (UTC)


 * Propose deleting latin american people by descent
 * Propose deleting latin american people of latin american descent‎
 * Propose deleting latin american people of african descent‎
 * Propose deleting latin american people of asian descent‎
 * Propose deleting latin american people of european descent‎
 * Propose deleting latin american people of north american descent‎
 * Nominator's rationale: Unnecessary overlap and conflict with the traditional six-continent scheme. Please note that this category serves only as a container. Yorkporter (talk) 10:17, 18 February 2024 (UTC)


 * Support per nom but the Latin American subcategories should be nominated too. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:47, 18 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Sure, I tagged them right at the moment of the initial nomination but forgot to add them here. By the way, they have been empty for 6 days, so they will probably be deleted tomorrow by CSD C1 anyway. Yorkporter (talk) 06:58, 19 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Yorkporter, categories are not eligible for CSD C1 if they are being discussed in a CFD nomination so that won't happen. CFD takes priority over speedy deletion. Liz <sup style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: #006400;">Read! Talk! 18:32, 22 February 2024 (UTC)


 * Keep Latin America is its own region/culture and this category serves to help navigate articles related to the topic. Dash9Z (talk) 10:42, 22 February 2024 (UTC)
 * The only overarching Latin American article is Asian Latin Americans. One article across six categories is too little. Marcocapelle (talk) 14:44, 22 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Asian Latin Americans is a topic article and should not be placed in the above categories, which are for individual people, per WP:COPSEP. Place Clichy (talk) 20:13, 22 February 2024 (UTC)


 * Delete. Categories named after Latin America are only useful when they bring readers to content that specifically deals with Latin American culture. If they are used as containers for national categories, as is the case here, they are in fact a nuisance because they overlap with the existing scheme of South/North American/Caribbean people by descent. Overlap means that content ends up being placed in duplicate locations, or one, or the other, or none at all, depending on the actions of uncoordinated good-faith editors. Place Clichy (talk) 20:13, 22 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Support per Place Clichy's arguments. --Stisorder (talk) 22:41, 23 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Comment Category:Latin American people of North American descent, Category:Latin American people of European descent and Category:Latin American people of African descent have all been tagged CSD C1 for almost a week. As stated above, I'm not sure why it was brought to CFD. To the nominator, if you decide to nominate a category for a deletion discussion and it is empty for some reason, please remove the CSD tag. But you might also just let them be deleted as speedy deletion unless you are concerned they will be recreated. Thank you. Liz <sup style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: #006400;">Read! Talk! 01:18, 24 February 2024 (UTC)


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Category:Military of Seoul
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 * Propose deleting military of seoul
 * Nominator's rationale: Just two pages. Both pages currently have other adequate categories I think; can probably just be deleted. toobigtokale (talk) 10:06, 18 February 2024 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom. I can't see much scope for military by city anyway. Only military history by city is relevant, and that has a well-developed tree as such. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:12, 18 February 2024 (UTC)


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Category:Jewish American filmmakers
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 * The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure) <b style="font-family:Courier New;">House Blaster </b> (talk · he/him) 20:35, 25 February 2024 (UTC)


 * Propose deleting jewish american filmmakers
 * Nominator's rationale: delete, redundant category layer with only one subcategory. No need to merge there isn't Category:Jewish screenwriters, presumably because of WP:EGRS considerations. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:22, 18 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom and possibly per WP:G4 since there is a previous discussion related to this type of category. @Marcocapelle, would you agree? Omnis Scientia (talk) 14:23, 18 February 2024 (UTC)


 * Keep per WP:EGRS. The other deletion discussions either point to EGRS, which says "Categorization by ethnicity, gender, religion, sexuality, or disability is permitted", or to each others, creating a circular loop of precedents ultimately based on nothing. The category should be populated rather than deleted. Uriahheep228 (talk) 16:22, 19 February 2024 (UTC)
 * The main point of WP:EGRS is: "Do not create categories that intersect a particular topic (such as occupation, place of residence, or other such characteristics), with an ethnicity, gender, religion, sexual orientation, or disability, unless these characteristics are relevant to that topic.". Marcocapelle (talk) 19:07, 19 February 2024 (UTC)


 * Speedy delete per WP:G4. How is this any different from the below WP:EGRS/I discussions?
 * Category:Jewish American film directors
 * Category:American Jewish Film Producers
 * Category:Jewish Canadian filmmakers
 * Category:Jewish film producers
 * Category:Jewish film directors
 * Category:Jewish films (twice)
 * Category:Jewish television series
 * Category:Jewish American theatre producers
 * Place Clichy (talk) 20:21, 22 February 2024 (UTC)


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Category:Burials in Ontario
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 * The result of the discussion was: containerize. (non-admin closure) <b style="font-family:Courier New;">House Blaster </b> (talk · he/him) 16:49, 25 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Propose containerizing burials in ontario
 * Propose containerizing burials in quebec
 * Nominator's rationale: containerize, we only categorize articles by notable burial places. Otherwise it is trivial and non-defining. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:01, 18 February 2024 (UTC)


 * Support containerization of these and all of the Burials in LOCATION categories. I don't think this needs to be at CFD though.--User:Namiba 16:34, 18 February 2024 (UTC)


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Category:Miami Hurricanes track and field athletes
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 * The result of the discussion was: rename (non-admin closure) <b style="font-family:Courier New;">House Blaster </b> (talk · he/him) 16:48, 25 February 2024 (UTC)


 * Propose renaming Category:Miami Hurricanes track and field athletes to Category:Miami Hurricanes men's track and field athletes
 * Nominator's rationale: This is the naming convention for college sports teams. If the school fields a men's and women's team in a given sport, the category for members of that team includes "men's" or "women's." See, e.g., Category:Miami Hurricanes athletes. Dennis C. Abrams (talk) 05:48, 18 February 2024 (UTC)


 * Rename for consistency. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:59, 18 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Rename for consistancy. Omnis Scientia (talk) 14:25, 18 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Rename for consistency. I applied the original name but always agree these categories should maintain consistency and support the renaming. TheGables (talk) 01:59, 21 February 2024 (UTC)


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Category:BBC World Service foreign language
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 * Propose renaming Category:BBC World Service foreign language to Category:BBC World Service foreign language stations
 * Nominator's rationale: I'm not sure what to make of this category. Should we just add 'stations' to the end of the name?  Is this just a collection of World Service stations, in which case 'foreign language' isn't really necessary. Fuddle (talk) 04:12, 9 February 2024 (UTC)

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 * Alt rename to Category:BBC World Service foreign language services, since the word "service" occurs most frequently in the articles. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:15, 9 February 2024 (UTC)
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 * If nobody else adds something here, then let's keep it at stations. It would be unnecessary to have this closed as no consensus. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:14, 18 February 2024 (UTC)


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Category:Vikkstar123
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 * The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure) <b style="font-family:Courier New;">House Blaster </b> (talk · he/him) 01:15, 25 February 2024 (UTC)

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 * Propose deleting vikkstar123
 * Nominator's rationale: Requesting deletion per WP:OCEPON. There are a total of 3 related articles combined in two subcats which already interlink to one another. No need for the parent. Star cheers peaks news lost wars Talk to me 02:45, 9 February 2024 (UTC)
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 * Delete per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:01, 18 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. Omnis Scientia (talk) 14:26, 18 February 2024 (UTC)


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