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Category:Fictional characters involved in incest
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Category:Public domain characters

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  18:47, 24 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting public domain characters
 * Nominator's rationale: This category was previously deleted year ago in Categories for discussion/Log/2008 October 14. Part of one argument is that this content should be listified rather than having a separate category for what could be a huge category. Since it was deleted before, I thought I'd bring it back to CFD to see if this decision should be overturned or carried out as a CSD G4-type of deletion. Liz Read! Talk! 22:05, 16 January 2024 (UTC)


 * Delete Public domain varies by country, so this category is too confusing and may lead to inaccurate beliefs about what characters are public domain. A list is indeed better, as it specifies where the character is public domain. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 23:56, 16 January 2024 (UTC)
 * I started a draft page for character sin the public domain in the USA.
 * Draft:List of fictional characters in the public domain in the United States Abuelo456 (talk) 02:02, 19 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Delete varies by country and over time so it's not defining. No objection to a list but that can be outside of CFD. - RevelationDirect (talk) 02:47, 22 January 2024 (UTC)


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Category:Partial satellite launch failures
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Category:Hồ Văn Trung

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  18:47, 24 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting hồ văn trung
 * Nominator's rationale: Unhelpful for navigation to have a page and a single category (which also only has one page) Mason (talk) 21:48, 16 January 2024 (UTC)


 * Delete. The contents were not interlinked by "see also" templates, but they are now. – Fayenatic  L ondon 21:56, 16 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Delete per WP:OCEPON. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:21, 17 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Delete per above -- Lenticel ( talk ) 07:12, 19 January 2024 (UTC)


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Category:Israeli social commentators

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  18:47, 24 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Israeli social commentators to Category:Israeli commentators
 * Nominator's rationale: broaden the category because there isn't a "social commentators" parent category Mason (talk) 21:40, 16 January 2024 (UTC)


 * Support per nom. "Social" is also too subjective. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:23, 17 January 2024 (UTC)


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Category:Financial commentators by nationality
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Category:Artists from the Province of Canada

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge to Category:Province of Canada people. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  18:49, 24 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Propose splitting Category:Artists from the Province of Canada to Category:Province of Canada people and Category:Canadian artists
 * Nominator's rationale: Non-defining intersection between "pre-Confederation Canada" era and occupation. Mason (talk) 21:26, 16 January 2024 (UTC)


 * Merge only to Category:Province of Canada people. The articles are all in Category:19th-century Canadian painters. –Aidan721 (talk) 21:47, 16 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Merge only to Category:Province of Canada people per Aidan721. Not a meaningful intersection. - RevelationDirect (talk) 02:49, 22 January 2024 (UTC)


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Bowling stubs

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  18:49, 24 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting bowling stubs
 * Nominator's rationale: No template, unproposed, unnecessary, as are the following sub-cats, none of which contain more than 1 article. Her Pegship (?) 20:47, 16 January 2024 (UTC)
 * bowling alley stubs/bowling-alley-stub - Delete as unnecessary
 * bowling team stubs/bowling-team-stub - Delete as unnecessary
 * bowling competition stubs/bowling-competition-stub - Delete as unnecessary


 * Delete categories and templates per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:06, 16 January 2024 (UTC)


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Category:Fictional characters by age and medium

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge to Category:Fictional characters by medium. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  19:50, 24 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Propose splitting Category:Fictional characters by age and medium to Category:Fictional characters by age and Category:Fictional characters by medium
 * Nominator's rationale: Extreme WP:NARROWCAT with only two categories. Leads to clutter, should be dual upmerged. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 20:45, 16 January 2024 (UTC)


 * Single merge to Category:Fictional characters by medium, the subcategories are already deeper down in the tree of Category:Fictional characters by age. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:09, 16 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Single merge to Category:Fictional characters by medium per Marcacapelle. Clearly WP:NARROWCAT. - RevelationDirect (talk) 02:50, 22 January 2024 (UTC)


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Category:Fictional characters by owner

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  19:51, 24 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Fictional characters by owner to Category:Fictional characters by company
 * Nominator's rationale: "Owner" is vague and can mean a lot of things, leading to WP:SURPRISE. If this category is to stay here, it needs a more specific name.

Category:Fictional characters by creator already exists, so the current name is also redundant, as a creator can also be an owner of the character. Company likely makes the most sense. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 20:41, 16 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Comment Is "owner" really a vague term? Isn't it very much a legal issue?★Trekker (talk) 20:44, 16 January 2024 (UTC)
 * If so, maybe it needs to be more specified, like "IP owner". The first thing I thought was that it was a category for fictional pets. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 20:47, 16 January 2024 (UTC)
 * I guess that is a fair point.★Trekker (talk) 20:58, 16 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Why wouldn't we merge it to Category:Fictional characters by creator? Marcocapelle (talk) 21:13, 16 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Companies didn't necessarily create the characters they own. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 23:06, 16 January 2024 (UTC)
 * DC Comics has acquired most of the notable characters of Fawcett Comics, Quality Comics, Charlton Comics, and WildStorm. Marvel Comics has acquired most of the notable characters of Malibu Comics and has introduced its own versions of 1940s heroes who have fallen in the public domain, such as Doctor Nemesis (from Ace Magazines). Neither company created these characters. Dimadick (talk) 01:59, 17 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Ok, then "by company" is the clearest indeed. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:26, 17 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Rename for clarity. Category:Fictional slaves, anyone? –LaundryPizza03 ( d c̄ ) 11:55, 22 January 2024 (UTC)


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Category:Countesses of Urgell

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge to Category:Countesses. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  19:51, 24 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Propose splitting Category:Countesses of Urgell to Category:Counts of Urgell and Category:Spanish countesses
 * Nominator's rationale: Upmerge. No need to distinguish the gender for counts of a region. Mason (talk) 19:36, 16 January 2024 (UTC)


 * Single merge to Category:Spanish countesses because the subject of the article was not a reigning count. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:04, 16 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Actually merge to Category:Countesses because Spain did not exist yet. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:28, 17 January 2024 (UTC)


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Category:Female characters in fairy tales
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 * The result of the discussion was: No consensus to merge these two categories in isolation, without prejudice against a broader nomination of the entire tree. * Pppery * <sub style="color:#800000">it has begun... 00:04, 24 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting female characters in fairy tales
 * Nominator's rationale: Fails WP:CATDEF. See also companion CfD for males. Clarityfiend (talk) 04:01, 31 December 2023 (UTC)

Relisting comment: I'm relisting mostly so this can be discussed alongside the discussion below. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Qwerfjkl  talk  17:08, 8 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Oppose This is a subcategory of Category:Female characters in literature and gender is defining for characters. Dimadick (talk) 06:06, 31 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Nearly all fairy tales have female characters. As currently (under)populated, it is far too broad, hence meaningless. If not deleted, then maybe it should be restricted to those characters who are not solely confined to a single tale, e.g. Baba Yaga. Clarityfiend (talk) 06:41, 31 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep this category along with Category:Male characters in fairy tales. AHI-3000 (talk) 08:30, 1 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Merge to Category:Female characters in literature unless evidence is provided that female characters in fairy tales is a notable topic in its own right, per WP:OCEGRS. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:13, 31 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Merge Category:Female characters in literature as the current intersection doesn't seem defining. - RevelationDirect (talk) 04:43, 1 January 2024 (UTC)
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Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Qwerfjkl  talk  19:31, 16 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Procedural keep The entire category tree of Category:Fictional males by medium and Category:Fictional females by medium need to be nominated if this is to be discussed. This is only a single subcategory, and in that regard it should not be deleted unless the others are. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 23:47, 10 January 2024 (UTC)
 * <p class="xfd_relist" style="margin:0 0 0 -1em;border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 2em;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


 * Procedural keep on gender issue; Keep as sub-category of “Literary characters by genre”. On the first issue, I agree with Zxcvbnm that it’s not appropriate to delete this category based on gender, as a one-off. Need to review all of the literature categories that use gender, for consistency, and treat them all the same. On the fairy-tale issue, I would say that fairy tales are a distinct sub-category of literature, as an aspect of folklore and therefore should remain as a separate sub-category of literature. As the fairy tale article notes: "all these together form the literature of preliterate societies". They are a special type of literature, preceding modern literature, and therefore should have separate sub-categories, for example, within the sub-cat of “Literary characters by genre”. That is an appropriate location for this category. Mr Serjeant Buzfuz (talk) 13:55, 19 January 2024 (UTC)


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Category:Male characters in fairy tales
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 * The result of the discussion was: No consensus to merge these two categories in isolation, without prejudice against a broader nomination of the entire tree. * Pppery * <sub style="color:#800000">it has begun... 00:04, 24 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting male characters in fairy tales
 * Nominator's rationale: Fails WP:CATDEF. Clarityfiend (talk) 04:02, 31 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Yikes! There are a bunch of categories for other media: Category:Male characters in film, Category:Male characters in television, etc., etc. Clarityfiend (talk) 04:05, 31 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep this category along with Category:Female characters in fairy tales. AHI-3000 (talk) 08:30, 1 January 2024 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Qwerfjkl  talk  17:07, 8 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Delete all per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:07, 31 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep this category. I agree with AHI-3000. Dimadick (talk) 11:20, 7 January 2024 (UTC)
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Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Qwerfjkl  talk  19:30, 16 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Opposers should provide arguments why WP:EGRS does not apply in this case. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:19, 8 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Procedural keep The entire category tree of Category:Fictional males by medium and Category:Fictional females by medium need to be nominated if this is to be discussed. This is only a single subcategory, and in that regard it should not be deleted unless the others are. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 23:46, 10 January 2024 (UTC)
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 * Procedural keep on gender issue; Keep as a literary genre, for same reasons as I gave above for the female category. Mr Serjeant Buzfuz (talk) 14:07, 19 January 2024 (UTC)


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Category:20th-century executions by Singapore
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Relisting comment: Tagged Category:People executed by Singapore by hanging. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Qwerfjkl  talk  10:40, 8 January 2024 (UTC)
 * The result of the discussion was: No consensus. * Pppery * <sub style="color:#800000">it has begun... 00:04, 24 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:20th-century executions by Singapore to Category:20th-century executions by Singapore by hanging
 * Propose renaming Category:21st-century executions by Singapore to Category:21st-century executions by Singapore by hanging
 * Nominator's rationale: It seems that Singapore only executes by hanging per Capital punishment in Singapore. I think that we should either rename this category to reflect that, or rename the parent Category:People executed by Singapore by hanging to just say Category:People executed by Singapore Mason (talk) 21:24, 31 December 2023 (UTC)
 * I would support renaming the parent category to be more broad and future-proof. QuicoleJR (talk) 23:36, 6 January 2024 (UTC)
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 * Keep; unless Singapore starts using another method of execution, the current names are factually accurate, and match siblings within both international parents Category:People executed by hanging by country and Category:20th-century executions. – Fayenatic  L ondon 20:56, 8 January 2024 (UTC)
 * They may be accurate, but they're confusing. I spent a good five minutes trying to figure out if the category was incorrectly parented. If no change is made, I think that a very clear explanation in the category would be helpful. Mason (talk) 01:54, 9 January 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Finnic peoples
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 * The result of the discussion was: merge to Category:Finno-Ugric peoples while that category exists. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  19:52, 24 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Finnic peoples to Category:Baltic Finnic peoples
 * Nominator's rationale: rename per Baltic Finnic peoples. Note that Finnic peoples (disambiguation) is merely a dab page primarily linking to Baltic Finnic peoples. Also purge Sámi peoples. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:32, 16 January 2024 (UTC)


 * A synonymous subcategory Category:Baltic Finns already exists. It was created (from redirect) on September 9 2021 together with the page Finnic peoples. This effectively made the Category:Finnic peoples as an intermediate category between Category:Baltic Finns and Category:Finno-Ugric peoples. An old version of the page Finnic peoples explains the intended scope of the category as "the peoples who speak Finno-Permic languages". However, there are not enough sources which would establish such a meaning for this term. As an intermediate category this is also quite artificial and unnecessary. Delete instead, and recategorize the contents into Category:Finno-Ugric peoples. Jähmefyysikko (talk) 19:12, 16 January 2024 (UTC)
 * This is an even better solution. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:15, 16 January 2024 (UTC)


 * Delete/Merge to Category:Finno-Ugric peoples per Jähmefyysikko (or actually per the below discussion). Place Clichy (talk) 19:30, 21 January 2024 (UTC)


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Category:Rocket launches
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 * The result of the discussion was: merge. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  19:53, 24 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Propose merging category to Category:1940s in spaceflight, Category:1946 in space, Category:1946 in transport, and Category:20th-century rocket launches
 * Propose merging category to Category:Spacecraft launched in 1960, and Category:20th-century rocket launches
 * Propose merging category to Category:Spacecraft launched in 1970, and Category:20th-century rocket launches
 * Propose merging category to Category:Spacecraft launched in 1972, and Category:20th-century rocket launches
 * Propose merging category to Category:Spacecraft launched in 1975, and Category:20th-century rocket launches
 * Propose merging category to Category:Spacecraft launched in 1986, and Category:20th-century rocket launches
 * Propose merging category to Category:Spacecraft launched in 1997, and Category:20th-century rocket launches
 * Propose merging category to Category:Spacecraft launched in 1999, and Category:20th-century rocket launches
 * Nominator's rationale: Only contain 1 entry each. –Aidan721 (talk) 17:24, 16 January 2024 (UTC)


 * Merge as nominated. – Fayenatic  L ondon 19:54, 16 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:15, 16 January 2024 (UTC)
 * support per nom Mason (talk) 21:49, 16 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Merge per nom. Place Clichy (talk) 19:25, 21 January 2024 (UTC)


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Category:Sociedade Esportiva Palmeiras players
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 * The result of the discussion was: rename. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  20:05, 24 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Sociedade Esportiva Palmeiras players to Category:SE Palmeiras players
 * Nominator's rationale: Per Talk:SE Palmeiras. Svartner (talk) 16:33, 16 January 2024 (UTC)


 * Rename, this could have been listed at speedy. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:24, 16 January 2024 (UTC)


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Category:Finno-Ugric peoples
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Category:Religious places of the indigenous peoples of North America
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 * The result of the discussion was: rename. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  19:54, 24 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Religious places of the indigenous peoples of North America to Category:Religious places of the Indigenous peoples of North America
 * Nominator's rationale: Per WP:INDIGENOUS when describing people the word "Indigenous" should be capitalized. A Rose  Wolf  15:23, 16 January 2024 (UTC)


 * Oppose, "Indigenous" is capitalized when referring to citizenship (i.e. a proper name) but there is no North American citizenship, this is merely descriptive. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:05, 16 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Indigenous people are defined by their citizenship with Native American or Indigenous tribal nations. It is naming convention policy. Lowercase 'indigenous' would be reserved for contexts in which the term does not apply to Indigenous people in any sense—for example, indigenous plant and animal species. If you don't like policy then there are ways to challenge the policy. -- A Rose Wolf  19:17, 16 January 2024 (UTC) --edited 19:25, 16 January 2024 (UTC)


 * Support as per MOS:RACECAPS/MOS:CITIZEN (both links are poorly named but that's beside the current point). Capitalizing Indigenous when referring to people is a well-established practice, in keeping with all major style guides. Yuchitown (talk) 14:54, 17 January 2024 (UTC)Yuchitown
 * Support. WP:INDIGENOUS is clear that it should be capitalized. Clayoquot (talk &#124; contribs) 16:00, 17 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Support, as set out in WP:INDIGENOUS. Mr Serjeant Buzfuz (talk) 17:41, 20 January 2024 (UTC)


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Category:Lawyers from the Province of Canada
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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  20:15, 24 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting lawyers from the province of canada
 * Nominator's rationale: Recently created category, which overlaps with other recently created categories, and is not technically accurate. Mr Serjeant Buzfuz (talk) 12:49, 16 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Comment: Shortly after the decision to delete the "British North America lawyers" category, and to create sub-categories for "Lawyers in Lower Canada/Canada East" and "Lawyers in Upper Canada/Canada West", John Pack Lambert left a message on my Talk page, suggesting the creation of a new category: "Lawyers from the Province of Canada". He suggested that the divisions of Canada East and Canada West were "just conventional" and the real factor was the Province of Canada.  I replied that I did not think the proposed category was needed, in light of the decision to create the two sub-categories, and was not technically accurate.  Mr Lambert has now created the category. My reasons on my Talk page for not creating it were:
 * "Hi John Pack Lambert, I’ve thought about your suggestion but I don’t think it would work. There was no single bar for the Province of Canada, because the legal and court systems were different. Lawyers in Lower Canada / Canada East were members of the Law Society of Lower Canada, trained in the civil law. Lawyers from Upper Canada / Canada West were members of the law Society of Upper Canada, trained in the common law. Neither set of lawyers had right of audience in the courts of the other section. There was clear continuity in the lawyers from Lower Canada / Canada East / Quebec, and a separate continuity in the lawyers from Upper Canada / Canada West / Ontario. That’s why I’ve suggested putting a sub-category of Lower Canada lawyers in the existing category of « Lawyers in Quebec », and a sub-category of Upper Canada lawyers in the existing category of « Lawyers in Ontario ». I would also say that if a lawyer was called to either bar prior to Confederation, but continued into Confederation, they should just be catégorised as a Quebec lawyer or an Ontario lawyer. If they ceased practice before 1867, then I’d put them in the sub-categories."
 * "The reason I suggest this approach is that the division of the province of Canada into Canada East and Canada West wasn’t just conventional. The Province of Canada was a quasi-federation, and the separate court systems and legal systems, with separate bars, was one of the strongest markers of the quasi-federal nature."
 * For the same reasons, I suggest that the new category should be deleted. Mr Serjeant Buzfuz (talk) 13:09, 16 January 2024 (UTC)
 * For the same reasons, I suggest that the new category should be deleted. Mr Serjeant Buzfuz (talk) 13:09, 16 January 2024 (UTC)
 * For the same reasons, I suggest that the new category should be deleted. Mr Serjeant Buzfuz (talk) 13:09, 16 January 2024 (UTC)


 * Pinging, as creator of category; , , and , as participants in previous discussion. Mr Serjeant Buzfuz (talk) 13:15, 16 January 2024 (UTC)


 * I am not familiar enough with the history of Canada to comment on this. If I understood correctly, Mr Lambert is not allowed to participate in deletion discussions, but I think an exception should be made here because this case is entirely unrelated to the reason of his topic ban (if that is what it is). User:Fayenatic london what would be good procedure here? Marcocapelle (talk) 18:32, 16 January 2024 (UTC)
 * I don't think that it is a good idea to temporarily lift the ban. The reason of the ban was because of how they reacted to deletion discussions. Mason (talk) 19:54, 16 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Thanks for asking, but I was not aware of the ban at the time, and although I once tried to look for it to check what was decided, I did not find it. – Fayenatic  L ondon 22:03, 16 January 2024 (UTC)
 * The relevant ban is Arbitration/Requests/Case/Conduct in deletion-related editing. An appeal to explicitly allow CfD participation was withdrawn after a tepid reception from arbcom. Although I'm not an arbitrator so have no power over there, I would never have worded the ban to include CfD in the first place, but then I often think conduct sanctions are harsher than they need to be. * Pppery * <sub style="color:#800000">it has begun... 00:10, 24 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. All articles are already present in Category:19th-century Canadian lawyers, so this category is not needed. Perhaps it should be manually merged to Category:Province of Canada people? However, I imagine the articles are already present elsewhere in that tree. –Aidan721 (talk) 19:35, 16 January 2024 (UTC)
 * All articles are now in the tree of Category:Province of Canada people. Marcocapelle (talk) 22:00, 16 January 2024 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom and per precedent.@Johnpacklambert, please listen to other people's wisdom here. There is no need to distinguish Canadian people intersections by occupation and colony. Mason (talk) 19:38, 16 January 2024 (UTC)
 * You seem to misunderstand that the remaining categories are even narrower intersections, namely by type of law within the Province of Canada. This is just for info, I do not say it is better or worse. Marcocapelle (talk) 22:06, 16 January 2024 (UTC)
 * The previous discussion is here: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2024_January_3#Category:Medical_doctors_from_British_North_America. Based on that discussion, I created two new categories: “Lawyers in Lower Canada/Canada East”, which is a sub-cat of “Lawyers in Quebec”, which in turn is a sub-cat of “Canadian Lawyers”. I also created “Lawyers in Upper Canada/Canada West”, which is a sub-cat of “Lawyers in Ontario”, also a sub-cat of “Canadian Lawyers”. In my opinion, there is an historical / geographic / civil law continuity for the legal profession in Lower Canada/Canada East => Quebec, and an historical / geographic / common law continuity for the legal profession in Upper Canada/Canada West => Ontario, which would be masked by the new category. Mr Serjeant Buzfuz (talk) 12:23, 17 January 2024 (UTC)
 * I should also mention that there was continuity in the use of the terms “Lower Canada” and “Upper Canada”, even after the creation of the Province of Canada in 1841, which is why I created “Lawyers in Lower Canada/Canada East” and “Lawyers in Upper Canada/Canada West”. The Parliament of the Province of Canada passed a statute that provided that the terms “Lower Canada” and “Upper Canada” could continue to be used for legal purposes. It wasn’t until the creation of Canada and the provinces of Quebec and Ontario in 1867 that those two older names finally stopped being used. Mr Serjeant Buzfuz (talk) 13:01, 17 January 2024 (UTC)


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Category:Natural scientists by nationality etc
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 * The result of the discussion was: delete all. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  19:56, 24 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Natural scientists by nationality to Category:Earth scientists by nationality
 * Propose renaming Category:Dutch natural scientists to Category:Dutch earth scientists
 * Propose merging Category:Norwegian natural scientists to Category:Norwegian earth scientists


 * Nominator's rationale: Small category with only two subcategories. Hugo999 (talk) 10:33, 16 January 2024 (UTC)
 * If I understand correctly, natural scientists categories are supposed to be parent categories of e.g. biologists, physicists and chemists. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:54, 16 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Delete. This doesn't seem to be a defining characteristic of any entries. –Aidan721 (talk) 20:20, 16 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Just Delete all three. The articles are well categorized and this doesn't seem defining to the articles. - RevelationDirect (talk) 02:54, 22 January 2024 (UTC)


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Category:Fictional characters with eye diseases
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 * The result of the discussion was: merge. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  19:58, 24 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Fictional characters with eye diseases to Category:Fictional characters with physical and congenital disorders
 * Nominator's rationale: This doesn't seem defining at all, as it can encompass characters with incredibly minor eye issues that don't affect their appearance or behavior. The subcategories are significantly less vague and broad. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 08:45, 16 January 2024 (UTC)


 * Support, redundant category layer with only two subcategories and one article. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:05, 16 January 2024 (UTC)
 * I have interlinked the two subcats with see-also links. I also removed Hiroshi Odokawa whose list entry makes no mention of eye disease. – Fayenatic  L ondon 10:45, 17 January 2024 (UTC)


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Category:Fictional bibliophiles
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Category:Fictional travelers
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Category:Fictional characters displaced in other dimensions
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 * The result of the discussion was: keep. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  20:00, 24 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting fictional characters displaced in other dimensions
 * Nominator's rationale: Fails WP:NONDEF, as it is not a trait of the characters, but rather, a situation they are in, or a feature of the story itself. It is akin to saying "fictional characters who once boarded a train". ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 07:30, 16 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Keep - I would say that it would be defining for some characters, such as Luz Noceda, Anne Boonchuy, America Chavez, and Naofumi Iwatani. This is the type of category that can very easily be defining for fictional characters only. (Oinkers42) (talk) 21:43, 16 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Keep Characters like Bishop and Shard have been permanently trapped in a version of Earth which is very different than their home reality, and and this pretty much defined their status in over 30 years of stories. Dimadick (talk) 02:11, 17 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Keep per Oinkers and Dimadick AHI-3000 (talk) 20:54, 17 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Keep Seems more similar to Category:Fictional characters displaced in time than to what Zxcvbnm suggested. –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d c̄ ) 11:47, 22 January 2024 (UTC)


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Category:Fictional characters from parallel universes
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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  20:00, 24 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting fictional characters from parallel universes
 * Nominator's rationale: While Category:Fiction about parallel universes focuses on works about the concept of parallel universes themselves, the use of parallel universes in general is such an incredibly common thing in fiction that I don't see how this category is defining. It encompasses literally every character from somewhere that isn't "our universe", which is to say, all of fantasy fiction and a large chunk of sci-fi. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 07:27, 16 January 2024 (UTC)


 * Support, per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:35, 16 January 2024 (UTC)


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Category:Dimensional travelers
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Category:Fictional displaced people
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 * The result of the discussion was: merge to Category:Fictional travelers. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  20:01, 24 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting fictional displaced people
 * Nominator's rationale: Category:Fictional refugees already exists. This just seems to be a WP:SHAREDNAME category made by a blocked user. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 07:11, 16 January 2024 (UTC)


 * Support in principle, redundant category layer with only two subcategories. But merge to Category:Fictional characters or perhaps to Category:Fictional travelers. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:27, 18 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Merge This is somewhat similar to Category:Fictional refugees, and can be merged into Category:Fictional travelers. –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d c̄ ) 11:50, 22 January 2024 (UTC)


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Category:LGBT Sex Clubs
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 * The result of the discussion was: rename. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  20:01, 24 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:LGBT Sex Clubs to Category:LGBT sex clubs
 * Nominator's rationale: MOS:TITLECAPS Armadillo  pteryx  05:48, 16 January 2024 (UTC)
 * I agree with this change. Will existing links automatically update? Eric (talk) 06:30, 16 January 2024 (UTC)


 * Rename, this could have been listed at speedy. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:24, 16 January 2024 (UTC)


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Category:Native American people from the San Francisco Bay Area
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Churches in the United Kingdom by century, 7th-17th century
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Category:21st-century attacks on synagogues and Jewish communal organizations in the United States
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 * The result of the discussion was: procedural keep. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  20:03, 24 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:21st-century attacks on synagogues and Jewish communal organizations in the United States to Category:21st-century attacks on Jewish institutions in the United States
 * Nominator's rationale: Rename to match parent article List of attacks on Jewish institutions in the United States Longhornsg (talk) 01:56, 16 January 2024 (UTC)


 * Procedural objection, this should be nominated together with Category:Attacks on synagogues and Jewish communal organizations and all subcategories. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:30, 16 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Oppose per Marcocapelle. –Aidan721 (talk) 19:37, 16 January 2024 (UTC)


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Category:Kamrupi literary figures
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 * The result of the discussion was: rename. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  20:02, 24 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Kamrupi literary figures to Category:Kamrupi writers
 * Nominator's rationale: I think that this category is supposed to be for writers? Mason (talk) 01:49, 16 January 2024 (UTC)


 * Rename per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:37, 16 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Rename just a clearer name. - RevelationDirect (talk) 02:57, 22 January 2024 (UTC)


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Category:Medieval European scribes
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Category:1880s in mathematics
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 * The result of the discussion was: merge. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  20:02, 24 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:1880s in mathematics to Category:19th century in mathematics
 * Propose merging Category:1885 in mathematics to Category:1885 in science and Category:19th century in mathematics
 * Propose merging Category:1937 in mathematics to Category:1937 in science and Category:20th century in mathematics
 * Propose merging Category:1930s in mathematics to Category:20th century in mathematics
 * Propose merging Category:1955 in mathematics to Category:1955 in science and Category:20th century in mathematics
 * Propose merging Category:1950s in mathematics to Category:20th century in mathematics
 * Propose merging Category:1974 in mathematics to Category:1974 in science and Category:20th century in mathematics
 * Propose merging Category:1970s in mathematics to Category:20th century in mathematics
 * Propose merging Category:1995 in mathematics to Category:1995 in science and Category:20th century in mathematics
 * Propose merging Category:1990s in mathematics to Category:20th century in mathematics
 * Propose merging Category:2000s in mathematics to Category:21st century in mathematics
 * Propose merging Category:2020s in mathematics to Category:21st century in mathematics
 * Nominator's rationale: Upmerge for now. These categories are extremely underpopulated, which is unhelpful for navigation. Mason (talk) 00:43, 16 January 2024 (UTC)


 * Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:39, 16 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Merge all per above. &mdash; The Anome (talk) 07:27, 16 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Merge all per nom. –Aidan721 (talk) 19:39, 16 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Merge There is plenty of room for expansion in the later decades (e.g. the einstein problem), but this was evidently quickly abandoned after creation. –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d c̄ ) 11:53, 22 January 2024 (UTC)


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