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Establishments in Hejaz
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Category:1940s assassinated French politicians

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge. (non-admin closure) Omnis Scientia (talk) 15:13, 14 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Propose splitting Category:1940s assassinated French politicians to Category:20th-century assassinated French politicians and Category:1940s assassinated politicians
 * Nominator's rationale: We really don't need to diffuse at the intersection of decade, nationality, occupation, and manner of death. I have said that I preferred diffusing by nationality than continent, using this page as an example. However, I don't think we should be diffusing by continent at all. And what I meant was that IF the choice was between continent and nationality (and I had to pick one) Mason (talk) 19:47, 6 January 2024 (UTC)


 * Dual merge, fortunately too few 20th-century French politicians were assassinated to make a split by decade worthwhile. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:19, 6 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Dual merge. Although the 1940s were a flourishing era for assassinating politicians, the century category should suffice. Place Clichy (talk) 00:15, 7 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Merge per nom. –Aidan721 (talk) 17:09, 11 January 2024 (UTC)


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Category:LGBT people by identity and occupation

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge. (non-admin closure) Omnis Scientia (talk) 15:14, 14 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:LGBT people by identity and occupation to Category:LGBT people by occupation
 * Propose merging Category:LGBT people by sexual orientation and occupation to Category:LGBT people by occupation
 * Nominator's rationale: This follows from the recent merge of Category:LGBT people by gender identity and occupation into Category:LGBT people by occupation. See also the recent merge of Category:LGBT people by sexual orientation and nationality into Category:LGBT people by nationality. These merges remove the intervening "by identity", "by sexual orientation", and "by gender identity" category levels, so that all LGBTQ+ identity-based subcats are more directly accessible to the reader (grouped together under a sort key, as in the "by nationality" cat). Currently, in Category:LGBT people by occupation, the trans and NB subcats are in the main category, the queer and intersex subcats are in the "by identity" subcat, and bisexual, gay, lesbian, and pansexual are yet another level down in "by sexual orientation".Trystan (talk) 19:09, 6 January 2024 (UTC)


 * Merge, this will result in far more intuitive navigation. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:21, 6 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Merge. This is a helpful improvement for navigation. Place Clichy (talk) 00:16, 7 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Merge per nom. –Aidan721 (talk) 16:49, 11 January 2024 (UTC)


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Category:Sri Lankan political philosophy

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete Category:Sri Lankan political philosophy. (non-admin closure) Omnis Scientia (talk) 15:26, 14 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Sri Lankan political philosophy to Category:Political history of Sri Lanka
 * Nominator's rationale: Upmerge for now. There's only one category in here, which is unhelpful for navigation Mason (talk) 19:08, 6 January 2024 (UTC)


 * Just delete, the one subcategory is already in the tree of the target via Category:Political movements in Sri Lanka. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:24, 6 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Delete per Marcocapelle. Place Clichy (talk) 00:17, 7 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Delete per Marcocapelle. –Aidan721 (talk) 16:50, 11 January 2024 (UTC)


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Category:Philosophy of mind images

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge. (non-admin closure) Omnis Scientia (talk) 15:27, 14 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Philosophy of mind images to Category:Philosophy images
 * Nominator's rationale: Upmerge for now. There's only one category in here which is unhelpful for navigation Mason (talk) 19:06, 6 January 2024 (UTC)


 * Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:26, 6 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Merge per nom. –Aidan721 (talk) 16:50, 11 January 2024 (UTC)


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Category:Works about philosophy of physics

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge to Category:Philosophy of physics. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  18:30, 14 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Propose splitting Category:Works about philosophy of physics to Category:Philosophy of science works and Category:Philosophy of physics
 * Nominator's rationale: Dual Upmerge for now. There's only one category in here which is unhelpful for navigation Mason (talk) 19:06, 6 January 2024 (UTC)


 * Support in principle but only merge to Category:Philosophy of physics, not to the first category because the subcategory is already in Category:Philosophy of science books. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:29, 6 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Merge per Marcocapelle. –Aidan721 (talk) 16:51, 11 January 2024 (UTC)


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Category:Sexuality by culture

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge to Category:History of human sexuality. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  18:30, 14 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Sexuality by culture to Category:Sexuality
 * Nominator's rationale: Upmerge for now. There's only one category in here which is unhelpful for navigation Mason (talk) 19:03, 6 January 2024 (UTC)


 * Support in principle, but merge more specifically to Category:History of human sexuality. That should have been a parent category. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:32, 6 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Merge in principle to Category:History of human sexuality. However I nominated the lone child category for further merger, because it is not really worth its own category. Place Clichy (talk) 01:00, 7 January 2024 (UTC)


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Category:Tunisian politics by century

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge. (non-admin closure) Omnis Scientia (talk) 15:25, 14 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Tunisian politics by century to Category:Centuries in Tunisia
 * Nominator's rationale: Upmerge for now. There's only one category in here which is unhelpful for navigation Mason (talk) 18:59, 6 January 2024 (UTC)


 * Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:34, 6 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Merge per nom. –Aidan721 (talk) 16:52, 11 January 2024 (UTC)


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Category:Nigerian politics by century

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge but only to Category:Centuries in Nigeria. (non-admin closure) Omnis Scientia (talk) 15:24, 14 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Propose splitting Category:Nigerian politics by century to Category:Political history of Nigeria and Category:Centuries in Nigeria
 * Nominator's rationale: Upmerge for now. There's only one category in here which is unhelpful for navigation Mason (talk) 18:57, 6 January 2024 (UTC)


 * Support in principle but only merge to Category:Centuries in Nigeria, not to the first target because the content is already in Category:Elections in Nigeria. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:36, 6 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Merge per Marcocapelle. –Aidan721 (talk) 16:52, 11 January 2024 (UTC)


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Category:Guyanese politics by century

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge to Category:Political history of Guyana. (non-admin closure) Omnis Scientia (talk) 15:23, 14 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Guyanese politics by century to Category:Politics of Guyana
 * Nominator's rationale: Upmerge for now. There's only one category in here which is unhelpful for navigation Mason (talk) 18:56, 6 January 2024 (UTC)


 * Support in principle but merge more specifically to Category:Political history of Guyana. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:38, 6 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Merge per Marcocapelle. –Aidan721 (talk) 16:53, 11 January 2024 (UTC)


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Category:Islamic encyclopedias

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge. (non-admin closure) Omnis Scientia (talk) 15:40, 14 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Islamic encyclopedias to Category:Encyclopedias of Islam
 * Nominator's rationale: Overlapping categories. Mason (talk) 18:50, 6 January 2024 (UTC)


 * Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:59, 6 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Merge per nom. –Aidan721 (talk) 16:53, 11 January 2024 (UTC)


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Category:Players of American football from Enugu State

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge. (non-admin closure) Omnis Scientia (talk) 15:41, 14 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Players of American football from Enugu State to Category:Nigerian players of American football
 * Nominator's rationale: Per WP:SMALLCAT User:Namiba 18:36, 6 January 2024 (UTC)


 * Merge for now, there are only two articles, without objection to recreate the category when more articles are available. Marcocapelle (talk) 22:01, 6 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Merge per nom. –Aidan721 (talk) 16:53, 11 January 2024 (UTC)


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Category:Revolutionaries from the Russian Empire
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Category:American inventors
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Category:Alumni by university or college in the United Kingdom

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 * The result of the discussion was: keep. It is clear relisting would not change the outcome here. Given the contentiousness of the last CfD on this matter, I don't think anything constructive is going to come from this. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  18:44, 14 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming:
 * Category:Alumni of the Academy of Live and Recorded Arts to Category:Academy of Live and Recorded Arts alumni
 * Category:Alumni of Richmond upon Thames College to Category:Richmond upon Thames College alumni
 * Category:Alumni of the City and Guilds of London Art School to Category:City and Guilds of London Art School alumni
 * Category:Alumni of the Theological Department of King's College London to Category:Theological Department of King's College London alumni
 * Category:Alumni of the Architectural Association School of Architecture to Category:Architectural Association School of Architecture alumni
 * Category:Alumni of Birkbeck, University of London to Category:Birkbeck, University of London alumni
 * Category:Alumni of Brunel University London to Category:Brunel University London alumni
 * Category:Alumni of Bayes Business School to Category:Bayes Business School alumni
 * Category:Alumni of Charing Cross Medical School to Category:Charing Cross Medical School alumni
 * Category:Alumni of Charing Cross and Westminster Medical School to Category:Charing Cross and Westminster Medical School alumni
 * Category:Alumni of City and Islington College to Category:City and Islington College alumni
 * Category:Alumni of City, University of London to Category:City, University of London alumni
 * Category:Alumni of Croydon College to Category:Croydon College alumni
 * Category:Alumni of Ealing Art College to Category:Ealing Art College alumni
 * Category:Alumni of the University of East London to Category:University of East London alumni
 * Category:Alumni of European Business School London to Category:European Business School London alumni
 * Category:Alumni of Feltham Community College to Category:Feltham Community College alumni
 * Category:Alumni of Goldsmiths, University of London to Category:Goldsmiths, University of London alumni
 * Category:Alumni of the University of Greenwich to Category:University of Greenwich alumni
 * Category:Alumni of the Grosvenor School of Modern Art to Category:Grosvenor School of Modern Art alumni
 * Category:Alumni of the Guildhall School of Music and Drama to Category:Guildhall School of Music and Drama alumni
 * Category:Alumni of Harlow College to Category:Harlow College alumni
 * Category:Alumni of the Heatherley School of Fine Art to Category:Heatherley School of Fine Art alumni
 * Category:Alumni of Heythrop College to Category:Heythrop College alumni
 * Category:Alumni of the Identity School of Acting to Category:Identity School of Acting alumni
 * Category:Alumni of Imperial College London to Category:Imperial College London alumni
 * Category:Alumni of the UCL Institute of Archaeology to Category:UCL Institute of Archaeology alumni
 * Category:Alumni of King's College London to Category:King's College London alumni
 * Category:Alumni of The Dickson Poon School of Law to Category:The Dickson Poon School of Law alumni
 * Category:Alumni of Kingston College (England) to Category:Kingston College (England) alumni
 * Category:Alumni of Kingston University to Category:Kingston University alumni
 * Category:Alumni of the Lambeth School of Art to Category:Lambeth School of Art alumni
 * Category:Alumni of the University of London to Category:University of London alumni
 * Category:Alumni of London Business School to Category:London Business School alumni
 * Category:Alumni of the London College of Divinity to Category:London College of Divinity alumni
 * Category:Alumni of the London Film School to Category:London Film School alumni
 * Category:Alumni of London Metropolitan University to Category:London Metropolitan University alumni
 * Category:Alumni of the London School of Economics to Category:London School of Economics alumni
 * Category:Alumni of the London School of Hygiene and Tropical Medicine to Category:London School of Hygiene and Tropical Medicine alumni
 * Category:Alumni of the London School of Jewish Studies to Category:London School of Jewish Studies alumni
 * Category:Alumni of London South Bank University to Category:London South Bank University alumni
 * Category:Alumni of University of London Worldwide to Category:University of London Worldwide alumni
 * Category:Alumni of Middlesex University to Category:Middlesex University alumni
 * Category:Alumni of the National Film and Television School to Category:National Film and Television School alumni
 * Category:Alumni of Oak Hill College to Category:Oak Hill College alumni
 * Category:Alumni of Queen Elizabeth College to Category:Queen Elizabeth College alumni
 * Category:Alumni of Queen Mary University of London to Category:Queen Mary University of London alumni
 * Category:Alumni of RADA to Category:RADA alumni
 * Category:Alumni of Ravensbourne University London to Category:Ravensbourne University London alumni
 * Category:Alumni of the Regent Street Polytechnic to Category:Regent Street Polytechnic alumni
 * Category:Alumni of Regent's University London to Category:Regent's University London alumni
 * Category:Alumni of Reimann School (London) to Category:Reimann School (London) alumni
 * Category:Alumni of Richmond Drama School to Category:Richmond Drama School alumni
 * Category:Alumni of the University of Roehampton to Category:University of Roehampton alumni
 * Category:Alumni of Rose Bruford College to Category:Rose Bruford College alumni
 * Category:Alumni of the Royal Academy of Music to Category:Royal Academy of Music alumni
 * Category:Alumni of the Royal Central School of Speech and Drama to Category:Royal Central School of Speech and Drama alumni
 * Category:Alumni of the Royal Academy Schools to Category:Royal Academy Schools alumni
 * Category:Alumni of the Royal College of Art to Category:Royal College of Art alumni
 * Category:Alumni of the Royal College of Music to Category:Royal College of Music alumni
 * Category:Alumni of Royal Holloway, University of London to Category:Royal Holloway, University of London alumni
 * Category:Alumni of the Royal Military School of Music to Category:Royal Military School of Music alumni
 * Category:Alumni of the Royal Veterinary College to Category:Royal Veterinary College alumni
 * Category:Alumni of St George's, University of London to Category:St George's, University of London alumni
 * Category:Alumni of the School of Advanced Study to Category:School of Advanced Study alumni
 * Category:Alumni of the UCL School of Slavonic and East European Studies to Category:UCL School of Slavonic and East European Studies alumni
 * Category:Alumni of SOAS University of London to Category:SOAS University of London alumni
 * Category:Alumni of St John's Wood Art School to Category:St John's Wood Art School alumni
 * Category:Alumni of St Mary's Hospital Medical School to Category:St Mary's Hospital Medical School alumni
 * Category:Alumni of St Thomas's Hospital Medical School to Category:St Thomas's Hospital Medical School alumni
 * Category:Alumni of Tower Hamlets College to Category:Tower Hamlets College alumni
 * Category:Alumni of Trinity College of Music to Category:Trinity College of Music alumni
 * Category:Alumni of Trinity Laban Conservatoire of Music and Dance to Category:Trinity Laban Conservatoire of Music and Dance alumni
 * Category:Alumni of the UCL Institute of Education to Category:UCL Institute of Education alumni
 * Category:Alumni of the UCL School of Pharmacy to Category:UCL School of Pharmacy alumni
 * Category:Alumni of University College London to Category:University College London alumni
 * Category:Alumni of the University of the Arts London to Category:University of the Arts London alumni
 * Category:Alumni of Walthamstow College of Art to Category:Walthamstow College of Art alumni
 * Category:Alumni of the Warburg Institute to Category:Warburg Institute alumni
 * Category:Alumni of the University of West London to Category:University of West London alumni
 * Category:Alumni of Westfield College to Category:Westfield College alumni
 * Category:Alumni of the University of Westminster to Category:University of Westminster alumni
 * Category:Alumni of the Westminster School of Art to Category:Westminster School of Art alumni
 * Category:Alumni of Westminster Hospital Medical School to Category:Westminster Hospital Medical School alumni


 * Nominator's rationale: In every case I've seen, "Alumni" comes at the end. As far as I can tell, only U.K. univeristy and colleges alumni category are named as such. Omnis Scientia (talk) 11:19, 29 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Subcategories of Category:Alumni by university or college in Ireland also follow this style. Ham II (talk) 10:13, 3 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Support per nom and per consistency. BhamBoi (talk) 23:26, 29 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Support per nom Mason (talk) 02:36, 30 December 2023 (UTC)


 * Rename per nom. VegaDark (talk) 20:29, 30 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Oppose. I'm dubious of the construction "St Michael's College, Llandaff alumni"; "Llandaff" was a disambiguator in the former article name (before it was retitled St Padarn's Institute), not a part of the organisation's name. A construction such as "Royal Holloway, University of London alumni" does at least reflect the current official name, but arguably doesn't follow MOS:COMMA. Having the organisation's name at the end avoids some awkward grammatical constructions like these. No argument has been given why the other categories in the tree shouldn't be at "Alumni of Foo". Ham II (talk) 10:29, 31 December 2023 (UTC)
 * @Ham II, every other country has the name of their colleges and universities like this. WP:C2C clearly applies here. Omnis Scientia (talk) 11:42, 2 January 2024 (UTC)
 * As for the comma: in the cases of these types of category - i.e. university alumni and faculty - the comma doesn't come at the end. It should be the name of the article and "alumni" at the end - Royal Holloway, University of London and Category:Royal Holloway, University of London alumni.
 * A few examples: subcats of Category:University of California alumni, Category:California State University alumni. So your object, with all due respect, makes no sense. Omnis Scientia (talk) 11:55, 2 January 2024 (UTC)
 * "", "", et al., don't follow MOS:COMMA – "Berkeley" and "Bakersfield" are parenthetical, so would have to be bracketed by pairs of commas. But as that results in the unnatural construction "University of California, Berkeley, alumni", it should be "Alumni of the University of California, Berkeley". Ham II (talk) 16:13, 2 January 2024 (UTC)
 * For place names where disambiguation is necessary, e.g.,, subcats generally put the phrase at the end to avoid awkward constructions – so "" is preferred over "" (the latter is a redirect); the cases of university alumni and faculty should be like those. The exceptions are the maintenance category and its subcat, and . That last one ought to be "Phoenix, Arizona, in fiction", to comply with MOS:GEOCOMMA. Ham II (talk) 16:13, 2 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Oppose As per Ham II 14GTR (talk) 19:44, 31 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Support all for consistency with alumni from colleges/universities in every other country. There is no WP:ENGVAR reason why the UK should be different. Joseph2302</b> (talk) 11:50, 2 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Support. Beyond consistency, one advantage of the "X alumni" formulation is that we don't have to figure out whether it should be "Alumni of X" or "Alumni of the X". I don't think there is an ENGVAR reason to prefer one formulation over another. Some of the relevant categories appear to be missing from this proposal; I don't see Category:Alumni of the Open University, for instance. —David Eppstein (talk) 06:46, 3 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Whether to use "Alumni of X" or "Alumni of the X" could be found out by briefly checking the articles in any cases where it isn't immediately clear. (Obviously, that doesn't apply to any of the categories in this nom as the proposal is to move them in the opposite direction.) Also missing from the proposal are the individual colleges of the universities of Oxford, Cambridge and Durham (although Category:Alumni of Westminster College, Oxford – a former Oxford college – and Category:Alumni of Ridley Hall, Cambridge and Category:Alumni of Cranmer Hall, Durham are there). Ham II (talk) 10:13, 3 January 2024 (UTC)
 * @Ham II, if this goes ahead as "support" for rename, those can be speedied. Omnis Scientia (talk) 14:44, 3 January 2024 (UTC)
 * "Briefly checking the articles", when drafting an article that should be placed into one of these categories, means a cumbersome sequence of steps: going from the draft, to the article on the university, to the category for the university, to the category for people from the university, to the category for alumni. And I have not uncommonly encountered cases where there is no category for the university but there is still a category for their alumni, in which case this check doesn't work at all. Having a predictable category system is a better choice. —David Eppstein (talk) 02:21, 4 January 2024 (UTC)
 * When drafting articles on individual alumni you'd just follow the convention for referring to the institution in running text (i.e., whether it's "at Foo School of Bar" or "at the Foo School of Bar", etc.) in the category name as well. The situation I had in mind when I mentioned "briefly checking the articles in any cases where it isn't immediately clear" was one or more potential CfD nominations in the future, for institutions outside the UK and Ireland. Ham II (talk) 08:00, 4 January 2024 (UTC)
 * You haven't tried drafting many of these articles on people from varied institutions, have you? "The convention for referring to the institution in running text" is not always consistently followed in category names, nor even in running text. And where is one supposed to determine the convention for running text when one is writing the running text oneself? Using a category system that avoids such conventions altogether, by putting "alumni" at the end, is much simpler. —David Eppstein (talk) 20:12, 5 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Do the sources you use to draft articles mention the institutions in any sentences of prose, or do they only list them infobox- or résumé-style? If the former, that's where one would determine whether or not to include an initial "the". Ham II (talk) 06:43, 6 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Do the sources you use to draft articles mention the institutions in any sentences of prose, or do they only list them infobox- or résumé-style? If the former, that's where one would determine whether or not to include an initial "the". Ham II (talk) 06:43, 6 January 2024 (UTC)

Notified: Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Higher education, Wikipedia talk:WikiProject University of Cambridge, Wikipedia talk:WikiProject University of Oxford. Ham II (talk) 09:44, 3 January 2024 (UTC)

Relisting comment: 60 categories were untagged. I have tagged them accordingly. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Qwerfjkl  talk  17:47, 6 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Oppose as an awkward format as laid out per Ham II and per consistency with the categories across Category:Academics by university or college in the United Kingdom and Category:People by university or college in the United Kingdom. Categories in other countries should be consistent with the construction across Category:Academic staff by university or college set down in a succession of discussions starting a year ago so those should be nominated not these. Timrollpickering (talk) 10:36, 3 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Support a consistent format per WP:C2C and the lack of a valid ENGVAR exception, but neutralish on what that format should be for now. I do think Ham II's objection has merit, but David Eppstein's point is also good, and there are potential other reasons to prefer the X alumni construction. We should not let the exception define the rule. Let's get all countries on the same page, and hold a discussion separately about what that page should be. &#123;{u&#124; Sdkb  }&#125;  talk 18:04, 3 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Oppose per consistency with Category:Academic staff by university or college and others such as Category:People by university or college in the United Kingdom as noted by User:Timrollpickering. We should move to a consistent format, but this proposal moves us away from the consistent format defined recently for academic staff. It would be better to move to Alumni of X generally. Robminchin (talk) 06:08, 4 January 2024 (UTC)
 * The "consistency" argument makes no sense when the UK "academics of X" staff categories are also inconsistent with the "academic staff of X" categories used elsewhere. —David Eppstein (talk) 20:13, 5 January 2024 (UTC)
 * I would be in favour of renaming Category:Academics by university or college in the United Kingdom and Category:Academics by university or college in Ireland, and their subcategories, in line with the other categories in the Category:Academic staff by university or college in Europe tree. Ham II (talk) 06:43, 6 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Oppose. The format is entirely consistent within British categories and reads far better in the English language. It is also the format that is commonly used in written and spoken English. If anything, the other construction should be renamed to this one. -- Necrothesp (talk) 11:47, 4 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Oppose: I agree with Necrothesp—the "Alumni of" formulation reads more naturally. All other categories should be switched over to this format. — SGconlaw (talk) 17:55, 6 January 2024 (UTC)
 * <p class="xfd_relist" style="margin:0 0 0 -1em;border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 2em;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * @Place Clichy, @Marcocapelle, @LaundryPizza03, @Fayenatic london. Even though this should be an obvious WP:C2C, its caused a lot of opposition (likely from British Wikipedians). Opinion and/or advice would be appreciated. Omnis Scientia (talk) 13:12, 11 January 2024 (UTC)
 * advice haha. Personally I try to stay away from very UK or very US related issues. Note that with academics both UK and US have a deviating format. Marcocapelle (talk) 14:36, 11 January 2024 (UTC)
 * @Marcocapelle, I can definitely understand why you stay away from it! Omnis Scientia (talk) 14:58, 11 January 2024 (UTC)
 * WP:C2C carries no weight here. C2C is not a guideline for category names; that's what WP:CATNAME is. C2C is one of a very few tightly-defined criteria for using the Speedy CFD procedure to avoid the extra work and delay of a full discussion. All are intended for obvious cases where consensus can be taken for granted. C2C includes three riders, each of which exclude its application to the categories in this nomination. I understand that some people say "C2C" as shorthand for "consistency with the rest of the tree", but I disagree with the nominator's repeatedly saying "C2C applies". WP:C2C does not apply, and should not prejudge the outcome here. So forget C2C, and judge this renaming proposal on its merits, including (in)consistency with the rest of the tree. – Fayenatic  L ondon 16:03, 12 January 2024 (UTC)
 * @Fayenatic london, so what would you suggest here? Rename these or the rest of the tree should be renamed to match this format? Omnis Scientia (talk) 19:01, 13 January 2024 (UTC)


 * Oppose: per Necrothesp, "Alumni of" reads more naturally. In any case a recent enormous cfd renamed 'XXX faculty' to 'Academic staff of XXX' and we were promised that a follow-up cfd would rename all instances of 'XXX alumni' to 'Alumni of XXX'. Perspicax (talk) 20:28, 6 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Oppose: we also drive on the left in the UK. Left is right! And vive la difference! I agree with the above that "Alumni of ..." is more natural in British English and less ambiguous for some categories that include commas, especially colleges. —Jonathan Bowen (talk) 21:14, 6 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Oppose: I'm with everyone else that this reads more naturally and is easier to use. As others point out, we recently changed all the faculty categories to "Academic staff of XXX", so the consistency argument actually favours renaming all the alumni categories to "Alumni of XXX", unless we'd like to overturn that previous CfD. -- asilvering (talk) 02:38, 7 January 2024 (UTC)
 * @Asilvering, I think should be overturned. The exception shouldn't define the rule. Omnis Scientia (talk) 20:26, 9 January 2024 (UTC)
 * In any case, WP:C2C applies. Omnis Scientia (talk) 20:35, 9 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Perhaps we can change these to the current format then have an overall debate on whether it should be "X alumni" or "Alumni of X" - and "Academics of X" instead of "X faculty". Omnis Scientia (talk) 20:39, 9 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Oppose: Per Necrothesp. "Alumni of" reads better and is less ambiguous. --Uhooep (talk) 01:53, 8 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Rename per nom and WP:C2C. No indication of WP:ENGVAR. –Aidan721 (talk) 16:56, 11 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Oppose i.e. keep, and nominate the rest of the world except the United States to use "Alumni of". They should all follow the renaming of academics/faculty categories to "Academic staff of" at Categories_for_discussion/Log/2023_January_3, Categories_for_discussion/Log/2023_January_29 and Categories_for_discussion/Log/2023_March_5. – Fayenatic  L ondon 19:40, 13 January 2024 (UTC)
 * I would exclude the US because their faculty categories still use "X Uni faculty" as WP:ENGVAR, so their alumni should stay at the corresponding names "X Uni alumni". As for Europe, I still have a spreadsheet from last year's Academics/faculty mass renaming, which could probably swiftly generate a nomination for alumni, inserting "the" where appropriate. – Fayenatic  L ondon 19:40, 13 January 2024 (UTC)
 * How about not imposing your wacky British peculiarities of language on the rest of the world. Last year's renaming made the faculty categories much harder to use, because now there are five different systems ("X faculty", "Academics of X", "Academics of the X", "Academic staff of X", and "Academic staff of the X") where there mostly used to be one. It was not an improvement. We should not push the same badness into more categories. —David Eppstein (talk) 01:21, 14 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Oppose per Ham II and Necrothesp. - SchroCat (talk) 16:00, 14 January 2024 (UTC)


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Category:Same-sex sexuality
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 * The result of the discussion was: split. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  18:47, 14 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Propose splitting Category:Same-sex sexuality to Category:Human sexuality and Category:Homosexuality
 * Nominator's rationale: split, it is unclear why an intermediate category layer is needed. If content is clearly about same-sex sexuality then it belongs in Category:Homosexuality, if it isn't then it can't belong in a same-sex category either and then it belongs in Category:Human sexuality. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:38, 6 January 2024 (UTC)


 * Support Per nom. The companion article, Same-sex attraction, redirects to homosexuality already. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 17:56, 6 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Support per nom Mason (talk) 19:13, 6 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Support Per nom. Homosexuality means the same thing as same-sex sexuality anyway. SAMBOT2000xp (talk) 16:58, 9 January 2024 (UTC)


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Category:Fictional characters who can teleport
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 * The result of the discussion was: keep. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  18:51, 14 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting fictional characters who can teleport
 * Propose deleting anime and manga characters who can teleport
 * Propose deleting comics characters who can teleport
 * Propose deleting dc comics characters who can teleport
 * Propose deleting marvel comics characters who can teleport
 * Propose deleting video game characters who can teleport
 * Nominator's rationale: I'm shocked this category lasted this long, given that it's not defining in the slightest. Teleportation is usually a pretty basic magical ability in a lot of fantasy. For example, Edelgard von Hresvelg belongs here because she warps out in various cutscenes, but there is no way that teleportation is defining for her, or any of the other characters in this category. Fails WP:NONDEF. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 13:03, 29 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Oppose. Are you kidding me? Teleportation is a clearly defined and distinct superpower which many fictional characters have, and how is it any less of a defining character trait than any other supernatural ability in fiction? I think you just want to delete everything for the sake of deleting. AHI-3000 (talk) 00:40, 7 January 2024 (UTC)

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 * Oppose Several characters have this as their primary or only supernatural ability. Dimadick (talk) 13:09, 29 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Maybe people would agree to a selective merge to Category:Fictional characters who use magic or its subcategories then. Even in said cases, it's the fact that they can use magic that is defining, not the teleport ability itself. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 13:25, 29 December 2023 (UTC)
 * I don't agree with merging it into the magic category, besides teleportation is found in both fantasy and science fiction, it's not necessarily a magical power. AHI-3000 (talk) 04:44, 7 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Oppose – it is pretty defining and impacts the characterisation, storylines and development of the character (albeit not all of them to the same extent). DaniloDaysOfOurLives (talk) 10:48, 30 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Oppose, at least for Category:Fictional characters who can teleport - I would say several characters are defined by their ability to teleport, namely Nightcrawler (character), Cheshire Cat, and Miraitowa and Someity. (Oinkers42) (talk) 17:37, 30 December 2023 (UTC)
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 * Oppose and @user:qwerfjkl I would query the relisting, seems to be a clear consensus above. H i ding T 23:04, 11 January 2024 (UTC)
 * @Hiding most of the !votes have fairly weak arguments (not least yours, which is missing any argument). Qwerfjkl  talk  07:19, 12 January 2024 (UTC)
 * @User:Qwerfjkl um, I can see a lot of arguments above, and wouldn't characterise them as weak, so perhaps that's your subjective opinion? The deletion nomination is just as weak and the nominator has shown they don't understand the reason for the category given their suggestions for merge targets. So reading the argument above, it boils down to one person saying it's not definitive and three people saying it is, to which I'll add my voice. Can you explain to me which side is weak and how you came to that conclusion? Also, can you point out how the consensus could be made clearer, in light of you relisting as it's not clear? The argument has been made, based on guidelines at WP:CAT, that there are characters for which teleportation is a defining trait, and examples have been given of those characters. Appreciate your time, H i ding T 13:09, 12 January 2024 (UTC)
 * @Hiding, I was mostly refering to AHI-3000's comment, which amounted to "it's defining" with no real reason, and then followed it up with a bizzare aspertion. Quite apart from that, even if a trait is defining for some members of the categroy, that does not necessarily mean that the category should be kept.
 * All that being said, I could easily have closed as keep instead of relisting. I prefer to err on the side of safety and relist. Qwerfjkl  talk  15:54, 12 January 2024 (UTC)


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Category:African-American players of American football
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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  21:12, 14 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting african-american players of american football
 * Propose deleting african-american players of canadian football
 * Nominator's rationale: Per WP:EGRS. The rationale is the same as the recently deleted Category:African-American basketball players (Categories_for_discussion/Log/2023_November_2). For the vast majority of African-American players of American or Canadian football, their ancestry is not cited in reliable sources and is not defining. The articles Black players in professional American football and History of African Americans in the Canadian Football League exist which detail how this has changed over time, which is a much better way of doing so than this category. User:Namiba 16:57, 21 December 2023 (UTC)

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 * Delete per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:44, 21 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Oppose. As I've pointed out in that nom, I think that this entire chain of nom's is problematic. The argument of "their ancestry is not cited in reliable sources and is not defining", while being a black american in the united states is still very much defining. At the very least, these pages need to be upmerged to the American players category instead of deleted. Mason (talk) 20:09, 21 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Oppose per Mason. Also, as I have repeated before, the POINT of these categories is to help with navigation and keep categories from getting too big. Omnis Scientia (talk) 20:46, 21 December 2023 (UTC)
 * There are other means to diffuse large categories that are more pertinent, such as club, position, league, period etc. Guideline WP:FINALRUNG explicitly advises against using ethnicity as a means of diffusion (you should diffuse a large category by ethnicity if is it not already diffused by another non-EGRS characteristic). Place Clichy (talk) 16:03, 22 December 2023 (UTC)
 * If reliable sources don't indicate someone's ethnicity, religion, sexuality, etc, then it is extremely irresponsible to put them into categories to which there is no proof they belong. It flies in the face of WP:BLP and WP:V, two core guidelines of Wikipedia. "I think they're X" is not a reasonable standard but that is how the vast majority of these articles are categorized.--User:Namiba 15:05, 23 December 2023 (UTC)
 * I am *extremely* skeptical of your statement that most of these pages aren't supported by evidence. For example, you said that Aquil Abdullah had "no claim of african heritage" ? You even called me snarky when I asked you about it (Talk:Aquil_Abdullah). Yet, the page said "He was also the first African-American male to win a rowing national championship in 1996, when he won the single sculls competition.[2]" along with several sources supporting it. Mason (talk) 22:26, 29 December 2023 (UTC)
 * If you think they are supported by evidence, by all means, don't take my word for it. Go read 10, 20, 100 random articles and see how many claim African-American ancestry.--User:Namiba 18:59, 2 January 2024 (UTC)
 * It's harder than it seems. Of course, some athletes' racial backgrounds are well-documented (Willie Thrower, Colin Kaepernick, etc). But if we're talking about a random guy who played a dozen games in the NFL in the early 2000s, we may struggle to find a source that explicitly mentions his race. Journalists do not always have a specific reason to bring up that topic. Zagal e jo (talk) 03:32, 3 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Per WP:BLPCAT, "Category names do not carry disclaimers or modifiers, so the case for each content category must be made clear by the article text and its verifiable reliable sources." Including categories which are unverified and unverifiable, which this is in the case of thousands of articles, is not a good idea. If it is not repeatedly mentioned in sources, it is, by definition, not defining and should not be included.--User:Namiba 15:02, 3 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Delete per precedent. In most cases, players are placed in this category not because they are commonly and consistently called African American football players by reliable sources, but by face test. Place Clichy (talk) 16:03, 22 December 2023 (UTC)
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 * Tagging those who participated (on both sides) of the basketball discussion but have not already commented here so that we might form a consensus on these categories as well: User:Rikster2, User:Zagalejo, User:SportsGuy789.--User:Namiba 18:58, 2 January 2024 (UTC)

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 * Delete per unchanged opinion from my deletion vote in the basketball discussion. This category is too vague, non-defining, and opens a door to a definitional discrepancy (i.e. Black is now the politically correct and commonly used description, not African-American). SportsGuy789 (talk) 19:32, 2 January 2024 (UTC)
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 * Delete - I just ran into this category editing an article and was surprised there was such a thing. How are biracial and multiracial players to be categorized? Or is Wikipedia intent on maintaining the "one drop" rule of the bad old segregationist South? As a big majority of NFL players are black or bi-racial, this category provides no useful illumination. Carrite (talk) 18:49, 6 January 2024 (UTC)


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Category:Law enforcement in the United States in fiction
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 * The result of the discussion was: no consensus. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  21:12, 14 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Law enforcement in the United States in fiction to Category:Fictional portrayals of police departments in the United States
 * Nominator's rationale: Duplicate category. –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d c̄ ) 03:58, 21 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Many US LEAs (e.g. FBI) are not police departments. Apokrif (talk) 04:06, 21 December 2023 (UTC)
 * I still feel that we don't need to segregate police departments from other types of law enforcement. –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d c̄ ) 04:16, 21 December 2023 (UTC)
 * We should rather merge to Category:Law enforcement in the United States in fiction (more general term,). Apokrif (talk) 06:19, 21 December 2023 (UTC)

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 * If merged then reverse merge, as law enforcement is the broader term. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:47, 21 December 2023 (UTC)
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 * I have tagged Category:Fictional portrayals of police departments in the United States * Pppery * <sub style="color:#800000">it has begun... 18:24, 2 January 2024 (UTC)
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 * Reverse merge per Marcocapelle. Omnis Scientia (talk) 15:17, 14 January 2024 (UTC)


 * Oppose Law enforcement is not limited to police. It includes several federal agencies. Dimadick (talk) 16:52, 7 January 2024 (UTC)


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Works by setting
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 * The result of the discussion was: no consensus. Categories for discussion/Log/2024 January 4 was closed (by me) in the opposite direction, as merge the Fiction tree to Works tree. This could be a possibility to consider in a future (re)nomination. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  21:15, 14 January 2024 (UTC)


 * Propose merging:
 * category to Category:Fiction set in the 14th century BC
 * category to Category:Fiction set in the 13th century BC
 * category to Category:Fiction set in the 12th century BC
 * category to Category:Fiction set in the 11th century BC
 * category to Category:Fiction set in the 10th century BC
 * category to Category:Fiction set in the 9th century BC
 * category to Category:Fiction set in the 8th century BC
 * category to Category:Fiction set in the 7th century BC
 * category to Category:Fiction set in the 6th century BC
 * category to Category:Fiction set in the 5th century BC
 * category to Category:Fiction set in the 4th century BC
 * category to Category:Fiction set in the 3rd century BC
 * category to Category:Fiction set in the 2nd century BC
 * category to Category:Fiction set in the 1st century BC
 * category to Category:Fiction set in the 1st century
 * category to Category:Fiction set in the 2nd century
 * category to Category:Fiction set in the 3rd century
 * category to Category:Fiction set in the 4th century
 * category to Category:Fiction set in the 5th century
 * category to Category:Fiction set in the 6th century
 * category to Category:Fiction set in the 7th century
 * category to Category:Fiction set in the 8th century
 * category to Category:Fiction set in the 9th century
 * category to Category:Fiction set in the 10th century
 * category to Category:Fiction set in the 11th century
 * category to Category:Fiction set in the 12th century
 * category to Category:Fiction set in the 13th century
 * category to Category:Fiction set in the 14th century
 * category to Category:Fiction set in the 15th century
 * category to Category:Fiction set in the 1410s
 * category to Category:Fiction set in the 1420s
 * category to Category:Fiction set in the 1450s
 * category to Category:Fiction set in the 1460s
 * category to Category:Fiction set in the 1470s
 * category to Category:Fiction set in the 1480s
 * category to Category:Fiction set in the 1490s
 * category to Category:Fiction set in the 16th century
 * category to Category:Fiction set in the 17th century
 * category to Category:Fiction set in the 18th century
 * category to Category:Fiction set in the 1720s
 * category to Category:Fiction set in the 1730s
 * category to Category:Fiction set in the 1760s
 * category to Category:Fiction set in the 1770s
 * category to Category:Fiction set in the 1780s
 * category to Category:Fiction set in the 1790s
 * category to Category:Fiction set in the 19th century
 * category to Category:Fiction set in the 1800s
 * category to Category:Fiction set in the 1810s
 * category to Category:Fiction set in the 1820s
 * category to Category:Fiction set in the 1830s
 * category to Category:Fiction set in the 1840s
 * category to Category:Fiction set in the 1850s
 * category to Category:Fiction set in the 1860s
 * category to Category:Fiction set in the 1870s
 * category to Category:Fiction set in the 1880s
 * category to Category:Fiction set in the 1890s
 * category to Category:Fiction set in the 20th century
 * category to Category:Fiction set in the 1900s
 * category to Category:Fiction set in the 1910s
 * category to Category:Fiction set in the 1920s
 * category to Category:Fiction set in the 1930s
 * category to Category:Fiction set in the 1940s
 * category to Category:Fiction set in the 1950s
 * category to Category:Fiction set in the 1960s
 * category to Category:Fiction set in the 1970s
 * category to Category:Fiction set in the 1980s
 * category to Category:Fiction set in the 1990s
 * category to Category:Fiction set in the 21st century
 * category to Category:Fiction set in the 2000s
 * category to Category:Fiction set in the 2010s
 * category to Category:Fiction set in the 2020s
 * category to Category:Fiction set in the 2030s
 * category to Category:Fiction set in the 2040s
 * category to Category:Fiction set in the 2050s
 * category to Category:Fiction set in the 2060s
 * category to Category:Fiction set in the 2070s
 * category to Category:Fiction set in the 2080s
 * category to Category:Fiction set in the 2090s
 * category to Category:Fiction set in the 22nd century
 * category to Category:Fiction set in the 2100s
 * category to Category:Fiction set in the 2110s
 * category to Category:Fiction set in the 2120s
 * category to Category:Fiction set in the 2130s
 * category to Category:Fiction set in the 2140s
 * category to Category:Fiction set in the 2150s
 * category to Category:Fiction set in the 2160s
 * category to Category:Fiction set in the 2170s
 * category to Category:Fiction set in the 2180s
 * category to Category:Fiction set in the 2190s
 * category to Category:Fiction set in the 23rd century
 * category to Category:Fiction set in the 24th century
 * category to Category:Fiction set in the 25th century
 * category to Category:Fiction set in the 26th century
 * category to Category:Fiction set in the 27th century
 * Nominator's rationale: Massive duplication, especially for future dates. Setting is inherently fictional, so any instances of non-fictional subcategories such as Category:History books about the 16th century can simply be moved out. –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d c̄ ) 06:38, 21 December 2023 (UTC)


 * Oppose. The rationale is flawed. Setting (narrative) is clear that non-fiction narratives also have settings. Any narrative, both fiction and non-fiction, will have a setting. 4meter4 (talk) 06:49, 21 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Support, only for fiction it is meaningful to categorize by setting. Non-fiction has its own parameters. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:58, 21 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Comment. I’m not sold on the idea that non-fiction narratives shouldn’t be organized by setting. It’s a fundamental aspect of nonfiction short stories for example that wouldn’t fit under other cats which would be used to sort history books and other types of nonfiction. Creative nonfiction works in particular benefit by sorting in setting cats. Not all nonfiction is the same. I personally would prefer to keep the works by setting and get rid of the fiction cats rather then the other way around if there must be a merger.4meter4 (talk) 07:10, 21 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Oppose Category:Works set in the 20th century also includes Category:History books about the 20th century. History books in general have settings. Dimadick (talk) 08:43, 21 December 2023 (UTC)
 * That exactly touches my earlier point about different parameters for non-fiction: non-fiction history books aren't said to be set in a period, they are said to be about a period (or more broadly, about a topic). Marcocapelle (talk) 22:56, 22 December 2023 (UTC)
 * I'm with you, @Marcocapelle. "Works set in the 20th century" surely should not include "History books about the 20th century" for exactly this reason. -- asilvering (talk) 02:42, 7 January 2024 (UTC)

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 * A related question: is "fiction" a subcategory of "works" or vice versa? Category:Fiction set in the 1940s is currently both subcategory and supercategory of Category:Works set in the 1940s. Goustien (talk) 18:52, 21 December 2023 (UTC)
 * I believe this sort of categories is generally understood as "fictional works", in other words fiction as a subcategory of works. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:39, 21 December 2023 (UTC)
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Category:Trick-and-draw games
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 * The result of the discussion was: soft delete. In future please do not perform out of process deletions, . (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  18:53, 14 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting trick-and-draw games
 * Nominator's rationale: This is not a defining category for card games. The most common classification used is at "card game" which splits trick-taking games into plain-trick and point-trick games, each of which is further subdivided. This category sits awkwardly across both types and would include a very large number of games in which you simply play a trick and then draw another card, as opposed to trick-taking games where all the cards are dealt out. There is no way of further subdividing it which is why the systems used by recognised authors don't use it. Bermicourt (talk) 21:49, 29 December 2023 (UTC)

Relisting comment: There were 14 members previously, such as Two-ten-jack, Sixty-Six (card game), and Schnapsen. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Qwerfjkl  talk  17:23, 6 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Comment Nominator has emptied this category. Liz <sup style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: #006400;">Read! Talk! 01:14, 30 December 2023 (UTC)
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Category:Neuroscience education
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 * The result of the discussion was: merge. (non-admin closure) Omnis Scientia (talk) 16:59, 14 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Neuroscience education to Category:Neuroscience
 * Nominator's rationale: Upmerge for now. There's only one category in here, which is unhelpful for navigation Mason (talk) 17:19, 6 January 2024 (UTC)


 * Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:43, 6 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Merge per nom. I've nominated the child category as well. –Aidan721 (talk) 17:04, 11 January 2024 (UTC)


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Category:Roman Catholic chapels in South Africa
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 * The result of the discussion was: merge/delete. (non-admin closure) Omnis Scientia (talk) 15:42, 14 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Propose merging category to Category:Roman Catholic churches in South Africa, and Category:Chapels in Africa
 * Propose deleting category
 * Nominator's rationale: Only contains 1 article. No objection to recreation if it becomes sufficiently populated. –Aidan721 (talk) 16:46, 6 January 2024 (UTC)


 * Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:44, 6 January 2024 (UTC)


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Category:Fictional humans
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Category:Fictional human races
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Category:Irish Free State culture
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 * The result of the discussion was: merge. (non-admin closure) Omnis Scientia (talk) 15:43, 14 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Irish Free State culture to Category:Irish Free State
 * Nominator's rationale: Redundant category layer with just one child, which is already in Category:Culture of the Republic of Ireland through other means. Note that the Irish Free State (1922-1937) is not a former country, it is a former political regime of an extant country. Place Clichy (talk) 16:20, 6 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Support per nom Mason (talk) 17:20, 6 January 2024 (UTC)


 * Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:54, 6 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Merge per nom. –Aidan721 (talk) 17:05, 11 January 2024 (UTC)


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Religion in the Autonomous Region of Bougainville
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 * The result of the discussion was: merge. (non-admin closure) Omnis Scientia (talk) 16:02, 14 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Propose merging to
 * Propose merging to
 * Nominator's rationale: Redundant layers with just one child. They are not useful for navigation. Place Clichy (talk) 16:14, 6 January 2024 (UTC)


 * Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:56, 6 January 2024 (UTC)


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Category:Chapels by country
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 * The result of the discussion was: delete Category:Chapels in Mexico and merge the rest. (non-admin closure) Omnis Scientia (talk) 16:01, 14 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Propose merging category to Category:Churches in Taiwan, and Category:Chapels in Asia
 * Propose merging category to Category:Churches in Serbia, and Category:Chapels in Europe
 * Propose merging category to Category:Chapels in Europe
 * Propose deleting chapels in mexico
 * Nominator's rationale: Each only contains 1 article. No merging is necessary for the Mexico category as the article is in Category:Dominican churches in Mexico and Category:Roman Catholic chapels in North America. No objective to recreation if any become sufficiently populated in the future. –Aidan721 (talk) 16:04, 6 January 2024 (UTC)


 * Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:58, 6 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Merge - It makes sense as there is not enough articles (unfortunately) to have a category of articles. Боки  Nuvola apps gaim.png Write to me! 21:20, 10 January 2024 (UTC)


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Category:Indigenous languages of Europe
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Category:Documentary films about men
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 * The result of the discussion was: merge. (non-admin closure) Omnis Scientia (talk) 16:00, 14 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Documentary films about men to Category:Biographical documentary films
 * Nominator's rationale: manually merge per WP:EGRS, films about men in general is not a notable topic in itself. The merge should be done manually because most of the content is already in Category:Documentary films about music and musicians or in Category:Documentary films about politicians. Marcocapelle (talk) 15:31, 6 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Support per nom Mason (talk) 17:20, 6 January 2024 (UTC)


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Category:Paintings in Ede, Netherlands
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 * The result of the discussion was: merge.. (non-admin closure) Omnis Scientia (talk) 16:00, 14 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Paintings in Ede, Netherlands to Category:Ede, Netherlands
 * Nominator's rationale: merge, redundant category layer with only one subcategory. A dual merge is not needed, the subcategory is already in Category:Paintings in the Netherlands by collection. Marcocapelle (talk) 14:41, 6 January 2024 (UTC)


 * Merge per nom. –Aidan721 (talk) 15:40, 6 January 2024 (UTC)


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Category:Pan-Oceanianism
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 * The result of the discussion was: merge/delete. (non-admin closure) Omnis Scientia (talk) 16:00, 14 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Pan-Oceanianism to Category:Pan-nationalism
 * Propose deleting Category:Oceanianization
 * Nominator's rationale: Only one eponymous article (WP:C2F). Place Clichy (talk) 14:00, 6 January 2024 (UTC)


 * Merge per nom. I am taking the liberty to add another category to this nomination, which also contains only the same article. Marcocapelle (talk) 14:31, 6 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Thanks, good catch. I support this as well. Place Clichy (talk) 15:35, 6 January 2024 (UTC)


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Paintings in the Netherlands
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 * The result of the discussion was: merge/delete. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  18:59, 14 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Paintings in Gelderland to Category:Culture of Gelderland and move the three articles to Category:Paintings in the Netherlands
 * Propose merging Category:Paintings in province of Groningen to Category:Culture of Groningen (province)
 * Propose deleting Category:Paintings in North Holland
 * Propose deleting Category:Paintings in South Holland
 * Propose deleting Category:Paintings in the province of Utrecht
 * Nominator's rationale: merge, there are some Dutch museums with a lot of notable paintings, but there aren't many museums for paintings, and thus a very detailed geographical category tree does not make much sense. The proposal consists of only a selective merge because much of the content stays in the tree of Category:Paintings in the Netherlands by city anyway. Marcocapelle (talk) 13:45, 6 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Support per nom. Omnis Scientia (talk) 15:59, 14 January 2024 (UTC)


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Indigenous peoples of Europe
Relisted, see Categories for discussion/Log/2024 January 14%23Indigenous peoples of Europe

Establishments in Baden by century
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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) Omnis Scientia (talk) 15:33, 14 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting establishments in baden by century
 * Propose deleting establishments in bremen by century
 * Propose deleting establishments in the grand duchy of hesse by century
 * Propose deleting establishments in saxony by century
 * Nominator's rationale: These currently only contain C19 subcats. Once the "by century" cats are deleted, the template on the subcats will automatically place them instead in the parent e.g. Category:Establishments in Bremen. – Fayenatic  L ondon 12:33, 6 January 2024 (UTC)


 * Delete, per nom. It makes sense that only 19th-century categories exist because before the 19th century the articles are in better populated Holy Roman Empire categories. Marcocapelle (talk) 13:05, 6 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Support per nom. Mason (talk) 17:21, 6 January 2024 (UTC)


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History of the Kilwa Sultanate
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 * The result of the discussion was: merge Category:10th-century establishments in the Kilwa Sultanate as nominated and delete the rest.. (non-admin closure) Omnis Scientia (talk) 15:35, 14 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:10th-century establishments in the Kilwa Sultanate to Category:10th-century establishments in Africa and Category:Kilwa Sultanate
 * Propose deleting Category:History of the Kilwa Sultanate
 * Propose deleting Category:History of the Kilwa Sultanate by period
 * Propose deleting Category:Millennia in the Kilwa Sultanate
 * Propose deleting Category:Centuries in the Kilwa Sultanate
 * Propose deleting Category:1st millennium in the Kilwa Sultanate
 * Propose deleting Category:10th century in the Kilwa Sultanate
 * Propose deleting Category:1st-millennium establishments in the Kilwa Sultanate
 * Propose deleting Category:Establishments in the Kilwa Sultanate
 * Propose deleting Category:Establishments in the Kilwa Sultanate by millennium
 * Propose deleting Category:Establishments in the Kilwa Sultanate by century


 * Nominator's rationale: Merge hierarchy which currently exists for one article alone (Great Mosque of Kilwa) aside from the Sultanate itself. – Fayenatic  L ondon 12:04, 6 January 2024 (UTC)


 * Merge/delete per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 13:07, 6 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Support per nom Mason (talk) 17:21, 6 January 2024 (UTC)


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Category:Sidi Boushaki
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 * The result of the discussion was: merge. (non-admin closure) Omnis Scientia (talk) 15:36, 14 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Sidi Boushaki to Category:Boushaki family
 * Nominator's rationale: There's really not enough here for a category. One category (with a single item), the person, and the Zawiyet named after them Mason (talk) 06:02, 6 January 2024 (UTC)


 * Merge per nom, without objection to recreate the category when more articles are available. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:06, 6 January 2024 (UTC)


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Category:Boumerdassi family
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 * The result of the discussion was: merge. (non-admin closure) Omnis Scientia (talk) 15:37, 14 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Boumerdassi family to Category:Kabyle people
 * Nominator's rationale: Upmerge for now. There are only two people in this family category, which is unhelpful for navigation Mason (talk) 06:00, 6 January 2024 (UTC)


 * Merge per nom, without objection to recreate the category when more articles are available. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:07, 6 January 2024 (UTC)


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Category:People from CITY by occupation
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 * The result of the discussion was: merge. (non-admin closure) Omnis Scientia (talk) 15:36, 14 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:People from Imishli by occupation to Category:People from Imishli
 * Propose merging Category:People from Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, by occupation to Category:People from Dartmouth, Nova Scotia
 * Propose merging Category:People from Agartala by occupation to Category:People from Agartala
 * Propose merging Category:People from Huddinge by occupation to Category:People from Huddinge Municipality
 * Propose merging Category:People from Rokiškis by occupation to Category:People from Rokiškis
 * Propose merging Category:People from Trakai by occupation to Category:People from Trakai
 * Propose merging Category:People from Panevėžys by occupation to Category:People from Panevėžys
 * Propose merging Category:People from Palanga by occupation to Category:People from Palanga
 * Propose merging Category:People from Mardan by occupation to Category:People from Mardan District
 * Propose merging Category:People from Vehari by occupation to Category:People from Vehari
 * Propose merging Category:People from Sargodha by occupation to Category:People from Sargodha
 * Propose merging Category:People from Sheikhupura by occupation to Category:People from Sheikhupura
 * Propose merging Category:People from Muzaffargarh by occupation to Category:People from Muzaffargarh
 * Propose merging Category:People from Yelets by occupation to Category:People from Yelets
 * Propose merging Category:People from Ilesha by occupation to Category:People from Ilesha
 * Nominator's rationale: Upmerge for now. There is only one occupation in each of these categories, which is unhelpful for navigation. Mason (talk) 05:11, 6 January 2024 (UTC)


 * Merge per nom. One of them meanwhile has two subcategories but that does not change matters. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:09, 6 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Good catch! Thank you for always looking into the categories to see if the number has changed since I nominated them :) Mason (talk) 17:22, 6 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Merge per nom. AlexandraAVX (talk) 12:34, 9 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Merge per nom. –Aidan721 (talk) 17:08, 11 January 2024 (UTC)


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Category:Performance psychology
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 * The result of the discussion was: delete Category:Performance psychology. (non-admin closure) Omnis Scientia (talk) 18:41, 14 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Performance psychology to Category:Industrial and organizational psychology
 * Nominator's rationale: Non-defining category/field. Merge to the closest area. Mason (talk) 04:41, 6 January 2024 (UTC)


 * Just delete, the only article is not about psychology. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:11, 6 January 2024 (UTC)
 * @Smasongarrison, do you agree with Marco's suggestion? Omnis Scientia (talk) 17:00, 14 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Totally fine with me Mason (talk) 17:05, 14 January 2024 (UTC)


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Category:Arabi Malayalam-language education
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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) Omnis Scientia (talk) 15:58, 14 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Arabi Malayalam-language education to Category:Arabi Malayalam
 * Nominator's rationale: Only page in here is about a memorial, upmerge for now until there's enough content to populate this category Mason (talk) 03:48, 6 January 2024 (UTC)


 * Just delete, the only article is about a building, not about language. Arabi Malayalam-language education is about the current activities in the building but that is not an attribute we normally categorize buildings by. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:16, 6 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Delete per Marcocapelle – the article does not mention the language. – Fayenatic  L ondon 14:20, 6 January 2024 (UTC)


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Category:Arabi Malayalam-language songs
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 * The result of the discussion was: merge. (non-admin closure) Omnis Scientia (talk) 15:57, 14 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Arabi Malayalam-language songs to Category:Arabi Malayalam
 * Nominator's rationale: Upmerge for now. There's only one page in here, which is unhelpful for navigation. Mason (talk) 03:46, 6 January 2024 (UTC)


 * Merge per nom, without objection to recreate the category when more articles are available. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:19, 6 January 2024 (UTC)


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Category:Arabi Malayalam-language literature
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 * The result of the discussion was: merge. (non-admin closure) Omnis Scientia (talk) 15:56, 14 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Arabi Malayalam-language literature to Category:Arabi Malayalam
 * Nominator's rationale: Upmerge for now. There's only one page + a category (with only one page in it) in here, which is unhelpful for navigation Mason (talk) 03:45, 6 January 2024 (UTC)


 * Merge per nom, without objection to recreate the category when more articles are available. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:18, 6 January 2024 (UTC)


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Category:Odia-language culture
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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) Omnis Scientia (talk) 15:56, 14 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting odia-language culture
 * Nominator's rationale: Only one page in here, which is unhelpful for navigation. The lone page is already in the potential target category Category:Odia language, so delete instead of upmerge for now. Mason (talk) 03:44, 6 January 2024 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom, without objection to recreate the category when more articles are available.


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Category:People killed in the war in Sudan (2023)
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 * The result of the discussion was: rename. (non-admin closure) Omnis Scientia (talk) 15:56, 14 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:People killed in the war in Sudan (2023) to Category:People killed in the war in Sudan (2023−present)
 * Nominator's rationale: Same reason as the previous proposal TheLibyanGuy (talk) 02:51, 6 January 2024 (UTC)


 * Rename per article title War in Sudan (2023–present). Marcocapelle (talk) 07:21, 6 January 2024 (UTC)


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Category:Eponyms in anatomy
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 * The result of the discussion was: dual merge. (non-admin closure) Omnis Scientia (talk) 15:56, 14 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Propose splitting Category:Eponyms in anatomy to Category:Eponyms in biology and Category:Eponyms in medicine
 * Nominator's rationale: Dual merge (or listify). There's only one page in here, which is unhelpful for navigaiton Mason (talk) 02:36, 6 January 2024 (UTC)


 * Dual merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:23, 6 January 2024 (UTC)


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Category:Allelopathic substances
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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) Omnis Scientia (talk) 15:57, 14 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Allelopathic substances to Category:Biochemistry
 * Nominator's rationale: Upmerge for now. There's only one page in here, which is unhelpful for navgiation Mason (talk) 02:33, 6 January 2024 (UTC)


 * Just delete, biochemistry is a far too broad target for a particular substance. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:26, 6 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Works for me. I picked it based on it being a child category, but you're 100% right that it doesn't help/is too broad. Mason (talk) 17:23, 6 January 2024 (UTC)


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Category:Uzès family
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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) Omnis Scientia (talk) 15:38, 14 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting uzès family
 * Nominator's rationale: Delete for now. There's only one very short page in here, which is extremely unhelpful for navigation. Mason (talk) 01:54, 6 January 2024 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:27, 6 January 2024 (UTC)


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Category:House of Goyon
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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) Omnis Scientia (talk) 15:39, 14 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting house of goyon
 * Nominator's rationale: Unhelpful to have this category with only two familty members it in. This family is primarily notable for having a male marry into Grimaldi line, and letting the Grimaldi name continue (If I'm reading Charles Auguste de Goyon, Count of Gacé correctly) Mason (talk) 01:52, 6 January 2024 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom, without objection to recreate the category when more articles are available. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:28, 6 January 2024 (UTC)


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Category:Incest in Greek mythology
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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  19:03, 14 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting incest in greek mythology
 * Nominator's rationale: Per Categories_for_discussion/Log/2023_December_28 * Pppery * <sub style="color:#800000">it has begun... 01:10, 6 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. Omnis Scientia (talk) 15:29, 14 January 2024 (UTC)


 * Delete, not a defining characteristic. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:29, 6 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Keep. Incest is indeed a defining characteristic of a number of stories in Greek mythology. The most famous examples are Myrrha and Cinyras (or Theias), and Oedipus and Jocasta, but others include Bulis and Aegypius, Menephron and his daughter (or mother), Byblis and Caunos, and Nyctimene and Epopeus. In most (or all) of these cases, incest is the central theme. – Michael Aurel (talk) 09:09, 6 January 2024 (UTC)
 * I completely agree that it is a defining characteristic of stories in Greek mythology. But the category does not contain stories, it contains characters. Marcocapelle (talk) 13:11, 6 January 2024 (UTC)
 * I don't think that distinction makes sense. Most of the figures mentioned above only feature in one myth, one centered around incest. How would incest not be a defining attribute for, say, Myrrha, Byblis, or Menephron? It's the only thing ancient authors mention them in relation to. – Michael Aurel (talk) 23:45, 6 January 2024 (UTC)


 * Delete Only contains characters, and this isn't a defining characteristic of said characters. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 16:45, 6 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. –Aidan721 (talk) 17:09, 11 January 2024 (UTC)


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Category:War in Sudan (2023)
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 * The result of the discussion was: rename. (non-admin closure) Omnis Scientia (talk) 15:38, 14 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:War in Sudan (2023) to Category:War in Sudan (2023−present)
 * Nominator's rationale: It is now 2024 and the conflict is still ongoing TheLibyanGuy (talk) 00:56, 6 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Also do note that when and if the war ends, the category name may need to be changed again. TheLibyanGuy (talk) 02:03, 6 January 2024 (UTC)


 * Speedy rename as C2D. * Pppery * <sub style="color:#800000">it has begun... 01:10, 6 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Rename per article title War in Sudan (2023–present). Marcocapelle (talk) 07:30, 6 January 2024 (UTC)


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