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Category:OL Reign

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename to Category:Seattle Reign FC. (non-admin closure) Seawolf35 T--C 00:11, 17 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:OL Reign to Category:Seattle Reign FC
 * Nominator's rationale: Team has been renamed.  Sounder Bruce  23:51, 9 January 2024 (UTC)


 * Rename per nom. This could have been listed at speedy. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:40, 10 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Speedy rename per nom.--User:Namiba 15:05, 11 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related page discussions. GiantSnowman 19:34, 12 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Support as above - the subcats should be speedied. GiantSnowman 19:35, 12 January 2024 (UTC)


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Category:Kurdish men by occupation

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge to Category:Kurdish men. (non-admin closure) Seawolf35 T--C 00:11, 17 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Kurdish men by occupation to Category:Kurdish men
 * Nominator's rationale: merge, redundant category layer, it is the only subcategory of the target and itself it is also not densely populated. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:49, 9 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Support per nom Mason (talk) 02:15, 10 January 2024 (UTC)


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Category:Transgender prostitutes
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Category:Search procedures

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 * The result of the discussion was: split between Category:Search and rescue and Category:Search algorithms. (non-admin closure) House Blaster  (talk · he/him) 02:51, 17 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Search procedures to Category:Search algorithms
 * Nominator's rationale: Overlapping categories Mason (talk) 00:37, 1 January 2024 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Qwerfjkl  talk  19:41, 9 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Support in principle, per nom, but split between Category:Search algorithms (only the article Bayesian search theory) and Category:Search and rescue (the other articles). Marcocapelle (talk) 07:39, 1 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Clarify, Where do search procedures which are not algorithms go? I think this is a miscategorisation. Are search algorithms search procedures? It seems more likely that all algorithms are procedures than that all procedures are algorithms.&middot; &middot; &middot; Peter Southwood (talk): 10:07, 1 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Where do search procedures which are not algorithms go? -> that is why I proposed a split. Marcocapelle (talk) 22:03, 1 January 2024 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


 * Split Per Marcocapelle. There is an overlap per the nom but not all of the articles fit in the target category. - RevelationDirect (talk) 14:55, 15 January 2024 (UTC)


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Category:Underwater diving on Guam
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Category:Underwater diving associations

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge to Category:Diving organizations. It can be renamed after merge. (non-admin closure) Seawolf35 T--C 00:11, 17 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Underwater diving associations to Category:Diving organizations
 * Nominator's rationale: Overlapping categories Mason (talk) 01:15, 1 January 2024 (UTC)

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 * Merge or reverse merge, per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:13, 1 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Reverse merge or merge and rename, "underwater diving" is longer but unambiguous, "diving" is ambiguous and we get lots of miscategorisation of articles about jumping into the water from a high place. Also, are all organisations associations? How about merging both into Category:Underwater diving organisations? scope is most inclusive and least ambiguous. &middot; &middot; &middot; Peter Southwood (talk): 09:34, 1 January 2024 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


 * Merge and rename to Category:Underwater diving organizations. –Aidan721 (talk) 18:07, 10 January 2024 (UTC)


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Category:State land commissioners of the United States

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 * The result of the discussion was: soft rename. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  18:08, 17 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Propose Renaming Category:State land commissioners of the United States to Category:State public land commissioners of the United States
 * Nominator's rationale: Per WP:CATNAME and the spirit of WP:C2D
 * What defines these public officials is that they are in charge of administering state public lands, usually State Trust Lands. While the official titles within this category vary, the proposed name clearly conveys they are not in charge of zoning for private property. - RevelationDirect (talk) 01:24, 1 January 2024 (UTC)

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 * Clarify In what way would this be a substantive improvement?&middot; &middot; &middot; Peter Southwood (talk): 10:15, 1 January 2024 (UTC)
 * When I found this category it only contained only the Texas subcategory which follows this naming convention but, after I populated it, I thought the proposed name was more representative of the typical official titles across the U.S. as well as better conveying the purpose with "public lands". I think most readers would think that "state" described the office of "commissioner" not that it was state owned land. No intent in scope is intended. (Your call if those reasons are substantive though.) - RevelationDirect (talk) 17:48, 1 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Neutral, I have no objections if no-one else does, it seems a harmless or slightly helpful change. &middot; &middot; &middot; Peter Southwood (talk): 18:35, 1 January 2024 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


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Category:Free and open-source software programmed in C

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Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Qwerfjkl  talk  15:31, 1 January 2024 (UTC)
 * The result of the discussion was: merge as per nom.There is clear consensus to merge one way or another. A larger nomination on the whole tree should be discussed seperately. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  20:15, 17 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Free and open-source software programmed in C to Category:Free software programmed in C
 * Nominator's rationale: Upmerge because parent category already contains only open-source software.  Delta  space 42 (talk • contribs) 18:59, 24 December 2023 (UTC)
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 * Should it not be reverse merge per main article name? Altought that would require changes to the whole category tree... Respublik (talk) 12:06, 9 January 2024 (UTC)
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 * Merge as nominated. I think it would be beneficial to have a discussion on renaming the entire tree, and I think it would be easiest to have that discussion if all categories are already named consistently. <b style="font-family:Courier New;">House Blaster </b> (talk · he/him) 02:50, 17 January 2024 (UTC)


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Category:Patent holders
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 * The result of the discussion was: merge. (non-admin closure) Seawolf35 <sup style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: #006400;">T--C 00:09, 17 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Patent holders to Category:Inventors
 * Propose merging Category:Indian patent holders to Category:Indian inventors
 * Propose merging Category:American patent holders to Category:American inventors
 * Nominator's rationale: Overlapping category. Inventor is defining, while holding a patent isn't really as much Mason (talk) 01:52, 24 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Merge per nom. Omnis Scientia (talk) 11:16, 24 December 2023 (UTC)


 * Merge, a patent merely confirms the inventorship, it is not a stand alone defining characteristic. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:14, 24 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Comment this is wrong. Patent trolls are patent holder but not inventors. In corporate contexts, the inventor is not the employer but the employee, however the entity holding the rights to the invention is the employer. Thus the filer would be the employer, who may sell the patent to a patent troll, which would then be the patent holder, and not any sort of inventor. Thus, persons, R&D sections of corporations, and patent trolls could be categorized. What is the purpose of "patent holder" categories, is it for patent holders, in which case it is not in any way similar to inventors. -- 65.92.247.66 (talk) 01:40, 26 December 2023 (UTC)
 * While that may be true in many cases, these categories only contain individuals, not companies. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:55, 26 December 2023 (UTC)

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 * Keep -- possibly renamed. These are categories for individuals, not companies, but not every invention is patented.  However, I think that Category:Patentees or Category:Patent grantees would be better.  Peterkingiron (talk) 17:58, 26 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Merge as nominated per nom and Marcocapelle. Marco raises good points about how holding a patent is not really distinct from being an inventor. He also rebuts the quasi-keep from 65.92.247.66. As for the above keep, the point about how not all inventions are patented would be relevant if we were merging in the other direction. However, if you can patent something you invented something, so nothing would be msicategorized by the proposed merge. <b style="font-family:Courier New;">House Blaster </b>talk 22:44, 31 December 2023 (UTC)
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 * Merge While the comments above about there being a potential distinction between patent holders and inventors, in practice this category is overlapping with the articles. - RevelationDirect (talk) 15:34, 15 January 2024 (UTC)


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Category:Chechen sportsmen
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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) Seawolf35 <sup style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: #006400;">T--C 00:08, 17 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Chechen sportsmen to Category:Chechen sportspeople
 * Nominator's rationale: I think we should repurpose this category to not exclude women, as I don't think that the intersection between gender, ethnicity, and occupation is practularlly helpful here. Mason (talk) 22:52, 1 January 2024 (UTC)

Relisting comment: Delete / rename? Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Qwerfjkl  talk  18:59, 9 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Rename per nom. Category:Chechen men doesn't even exist. –Aidan721 (talk) 01:46, 2 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Just delete, trivial intersection with ethnicity (WP:OCEGRS). If kept, rename and also re-parent per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:50, 2 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Rename as per nom. <b style="color:#0033ab">Joseph</b><b style="color:#000000">2302</b> (talk) 09:00, 2 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Just delete per Marcocapelle. Sportspeople categories are usually gendered (because sports are), but this attempt to mix ethnicity and occupation is a catch-all attempt to ethnicize people that are not linked to Chechnya, such as Rawad Abu Khizaran. Place Clichy (talk) 10:06, 5 January 2024 (UTC)
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 * Just Delete Not clear that the ethnicity and sports are a defining interconnection. (If kept, by all means rename.) - RevelationDirect (talk) 15:35, 15 January 2024 (UTC)


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Category:Proposed National parks in Wales
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Category:Recipients of the Four Freedoms Award
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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) Seawolf35 <sup style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: #006400;">T--C 00:08, 17 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting recipients of the four freedoms award
 * Nominator's rationale: A non-defining characteristic. User:Namiba 18:51, 9 January 2024 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:02, 9 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Delete per WP:OCAWARD. The winners are already listified within the main article, Four Freedoms Award, for any reader interested in the topic. - RevelationDirect (talk) 15:39, 15 January 2024 (UTC)


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Category:Wikipedians interested in Akhand Bharat
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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) Seawolf35 <sup style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: #006400;">T--C 00:07, 17 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting wikipedians interested in akhand bharat
 * Nominator's rationale: Inappropriate advocacy category masquerading as a "interested in" category. * Pppery * <sub style="color:#800000">it has begun... 17:05, 9 January 2024 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:24, 9 January 2024 (UTC)


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Samoa 1920–1961
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 * The result of the discussion was: rename. (non-admin closure) Seawolf35 <sup style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: #006400;">T--C 00:07, 17 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:1933 establishments in Samoa to Category:1933 establishments in Western Samoa Trust Territory
 * Propose renaming Category:1930s establishments in Samoa to Category:1930s establishments in Western Samoa Trust Territory
 * Propose renaming Category:1933 in Samoa to Category:1933 in Western Samoa Trust Territory
 * Propose merging Category:1930s in Samoa to Category:1930s in Western Samoa Trust Territory
 * Propose renaming Category:1952 establishments in Samoa to Category:1952 establishments in Western Samoa Trust Territory
 * Propose merging Category:1950s establishments in Samoa to Category:1950s establishments in Western Samoa Trust Territory
 * Propose renaming Category:1952 in Samoa to Category:1952 in Western Samoa Trust Territory
 * Propose merging Category:1950s in Samoa to Category:1950s in Western Samoa Trust Territory
 * Nominator's rationale: Use full name matching others in Category:Western Samoa Trust Territory. – Fayenatic  L ondon 22:01, 9 January 2024 (UTC)


 * Support While the overall parent category should use the current name, Samoa, the subcats should be accurate for that time period because it will make navigation easier. - RevelationDirect (talk) 15:41, 15 January 2024 (UTC)


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Western Samoa
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Category:English-language Amazon Prime Video original programming
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 * The result of the discussion was: dual merge to Category:English-language television shows and Category:Amazon Prime Video original programming. (non-admin closure) <b style="font-family:Courier New;">House Blaster </b> (talk · he/him) 02:26, 17 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:English-language Amazon Prime Video original programming to Category:English-language television shows and Category:Amazon Prime Video original programming
 * Nominator's rationale: Following suit of the discussion at Categories for discussion/Log/2023 December 13, this one fell through the cracks. Propose unmerging to both parent categories. -2pou (talk) 04:30, 9 January 2024 (UTC)


 * Dual merge per precedent (although I am surprised that the second merge target Category:English-language television shows even exists, it contains no less than 18,000 articles). Marcocapelle (talk) 06:41, 9 January 2024 (UTC)


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Category:Travelers in Asia Minor
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Category:1st-century BC travelers
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 * The result of the discussion was: merge to Category:Ancient explorers. (non-admin closure) Seawolf35 <sup style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: #006400;">T--C 00:06, 17 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:1st-century BC travelers to Category:1st-century BC explorers
 * Propose renaming Category:2nd-century BC travelers to Category:2nd-century BC explorers
 * Propose renaming Category:3rd-century BC travelers to Category:3rd-century BC explorers
 * Propose renaming Category:4th-century BC travelers to Category:4th-century BC explorers
 * Propose renaming Category:5th-century BC travelers to Category:5th-century BC explorers
 * Nominator's rationale: None of the people in this category are actually travelers, they're all explorers. So I think that the category should be renamed/reparented. (most of the traveler categories are poorly populated). An alternative would be to merge to Category:Ancient explorers and Category:Medieval explorers. (or travelers, if that's to be kept). Mason (talk) 04:15, 9 January 2024 (UTC)


 * Support merging to Category:Ancient explorers, this is a too poorly populated category tree for now. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:54, 9 January 2024 (UTC)
 * That works for me. Mason (talk) 02:19, 10 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Alt Merge to Category:Ancient explorers per Marcocapelle to avoid WP:NARROWCAT. - RevelationDirect (talk) 15:49, 15 January 2024 (UTC)


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Category:United Nations diplomats
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 * The result of the discussion was: merge to Category:United Nations officials. (non-admin closure) Seawolf35 <sup style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: #006400;">T--C 00:06, 17 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:United Nations diplomats to Category:United Nations officials
 * Nominator's rationale: Overlapping category Mason (talk) 03:11, 9 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Oppose Unless all officials are diplomats. Otherwise, it breaks the navigation from Category:Diplomats. ―Justin ( koa v f ) ❤T☮C☺M☯ 06:47, 9 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Justin, once again, you are off the mark. The articles in here are all in respective fooite diplomats categories so no navigation is broken. Please look at the articles so you can make an actual informed vote in the future. –Aidan721 (talk) 14:36, 9 January 2024 (UTC)


 * Support, these are diplomats who also served in the UN. It does not concern a special (set of) office(s) within the UN. As diplomats they can be in the tree of Category:Diplomats by nationality. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:57, 9 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Merge per nom. –Aidan721 (talk) 14:37, 9 January 2024 (UTC)


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Category:Poet-diplomats
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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) Seawolf35 <sup style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: #006400;">T--C 00:05, 17 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Propose splitting Category:Poet-diplomats to Category:Poets and Category:Diplomats
 * Nominator's rationale: Non-defining intersection Mason (talk) 03:10, 9 January 2024 (UTC)


 * Support in principle, per nom, but just delete this category because articles are already in the tree of Category:Poets by nationality and Category:Diplomats by nationality. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:03, 9 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Just Delete/Support in Principle per the intent of the nom and Marcapelle's suggestion. - RevelationDirect (talk) 15:51, 15 January 2024 (UTC)


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Category:12th-century diplomats by nationality
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 * The result of the discussion was: merge to Category:12th-century diplomats. (non-admin closure) Seawolf35 <sup style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: #006400;">T--C 00:05, 17 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:12th-century diplomats by nationality to Category:12th-century diplomats
 * Nominator's rationale: Upmerge for now. There's only one category in here which is unhelpful for navigation Mason (talk) 03:02, 9 January 2024 (UTC)


 * Merge per nom, but I think it is rather the subcategory that should have been nominated. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:05, 9 January 2024 (UTC)


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Category:Noblemen
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 * The result of the discussion was: manual merge. (non-admin closure) <b style="font-family:Courier New;">House Blaster </b> (talk · he/him) 01:52, 17 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Noblemen to Category:Nobility
 * Propose merging Category:Noblemen of France to Category:French nobility
 * Nominator's rationale: Do we really need a category for male nobility? This seems very much not in keeping with WP:EGRS Mason (talk) 01:38, 9 January 2024 (UTC)


 * Manually merge, per nom, manual because most articles should be or already are in the tree of Category:Nobility e.g. Edler was a noble title and already in a titles category. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:10, 9 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Merge for reasons given in the proposal. EmilySarah99 (talk) 16:26, 12 January 2024 (UTC)


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