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Category:Fransiscan Seminary Maua

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete House Blaster  (talk · he/they) 02:42, 13 July 2024 (UTC)


 * Propose deleting fransiscan seminary maua
 * Nominator's rationale: Inconsistent with any alumni categorization scheme. Gjs238 (talk) 20:31, 5 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Comment: Couldn't this be renamed and added to the proper categories? Mason (talk) 22:36, 5 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Perhaps if we knew of more than 1 notable alumni: Fransiscan Seminary Maua. Gjs238 (talk) 00:49, 6 July 2024 (UTC)


 * Delete for now, only one article in it, this is not helpful for navigation. No objection to recreate the category when some more articles are available. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:18, 6 July 2024 (UTC)


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Category:Teacher's Pet (TV series)

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete House Blaster  (talk · he/they) 02:42, 13 July 2024 (UTC)


 * Propose deleting teacher's pet (tv series)
 * Nominator's rationale: Only two articles. No good merge targets. (Oinkers42) (talk) 16:27, 5 July 2024 (UTC)


 * Delete for now, only two articles in it, this is not helpful for navigation. No objection to recreate the category when some more articles are available. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:20, 6 July 2024 (UTC)


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Category:Zero-level elevation points
Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 July 13%23Category:Zero-level elevation points

Category:Athletes by location in Greece

 * Propose merging Category:Athletes by location in Greece to Category:Greek athletes
 * Propose merging Category:Swimmers by location in Greece to Category:Greek swimmers
 * Propose merging Category:Sailors (sport) by location in Greece to Category:Greek sailors (sport)
 * Propose merging Category:Rowers by location in Greece to Category:Greek rowers
 * Propose merging Category:Gymnasts by location in Greece to Category:Greek gymnasts
 * Propose merging Category:Basketball players by location in Greece to Category:Greek basketball players
 * Propose merging Category:Volleyball players by location in Greece to Category:Greek volleyball players
 * Propose merging Category:Water polo players by location in Greece to Category:Greek water polo players
 * Nominator's rationale: Upmerge; only one category. Omnis Scientia (talk) 08:52, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Comment Theoretically it should include more subcategories, by regional unit, etc.. As such it would fit with the rest of the tree. I think they were even included at some point but I haven't checked in a while. Antondimak (talk) 13:15, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
 * @Antondimak, if this - along with other categories in Category:Sportspeople by location in Greece which I only just noticed - can be populated, I will withdraw the nomination. Omnis Scientia (talk) 13:55, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
 * I remember most of these being populated. Now only footballers are. I don't know of any tool to check category history. Antondimak (talk) 14:03, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Keep Category:Athletes by location in Greece, I've populated it so the nomination is no longer valid. Should do the same for the rest. --Habst (talk) 14:33, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Qwerfjkl  talk  19:53, 25 June 2024 (UTC) Relisting comment: Can we populate the rest? Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, House Blaster  (talk · he/they) 02:48, 5 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:59, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
 * @Antondimak, @Marcocapelle, I've added the remaining categories which have only one category layer. Anton, my best guess is that, if they did exist, they were likely merged or deleted. Omnis Scientia (talk) 19:05, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
 * For no good reason I'd guess. Do you know of any tool to check category history? Antondimak (talk) 19:08, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
 * I'm afraid not but @Marcocapelle may know. Personally, I can't find any Cfd on it. Omnis Scientia (talk) 20:12, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
 * The only thing I know, or vaguely remember is better-phrased, is that in Google search you can to some extent find back older versions of a webpage. So this is outside Wikipedia. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:16, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * @Habst, if you can populate the rest as well, I will withdraw the nomination. Omnis Scientia (talk) 23:59, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


 * Merge In the intervening 1½ weeks, no category has been expanded beyond 3 subcategories. –LaundryPizza03 ( d c̄ ) 02:25, 22 July 2024 (UTC)

Category:Historic buildings and structures in Ireland

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete House Blaster  (talk · he/they) 02:44, 13 July 2024 (UTC)


 * Propose Deleting Category:Historic buildings and structures in Ireland
 * Propose Deleting Category:Historic buildings and structures in Northern Ireland
 * Propose Deleting Category:Historic buildings and structures in the Republic of Ireland
 * Nominator's rationale: WP:NONDEFINING (WP:SUBJECTIVECAT)
 * In addition to being subjective, these categories really haven't been used. The only loose articles are in the parent category which has two buildings and two former buildings (1, 2, 3, 4). I added more categories to all 4 to make it easier for readers to find them and the existing Irish and UK heritage register categories are a more defining and neutral way of grouping articles. - RevelationDirect (talk) 01:28, 5 July 2024 (UTC)


 * Note: We previously deleted the sibling American categories here and I'm nominating these categories by country rather than all at once so we can consider the national heritage registers. - RevelationDirect (talk) 01:28, 5 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Delete. It looks like a redundant layer. The scheduled monument and historic site categories are enough, surely, and anything alse is largely subjective. Grutness... wha?   04:02, 5 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Delete, "historic" is a subjective criterion insofar it is not about scheduled monuments. Marcocapelle (talk) 13:49, 5 July 2024 (UTC)


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Sportspeople and century categories

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 * The result of the discussion was: no consensus for the 19th century categories (see WP:TRAINWRECK). There is no prejudice against speedy renomination, though individual discussions (or at least smaller discussions) would clearly be more productive. Delete the 20th and 21st century categories. House Blaster  (talk · he/they) 04:01, 13 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting 19th-century sportspeople by sport, 19th-century players of american football, 19th-century baseball umpires, 19th-century baseball players, 19th-century martial artists, 19th-century tennis players, 19th-century male tennis players, 19th-century female tennis players, 19th-century wrestlers, 19th-century professional wrestlers, 19th-century olympic competitors by year, 20th-century sportspeople by sport, 20th-century asian games competitors by year, 20th-century commonwealth games competitors by year, 20th-century cricketers, 20th-century bangladeshi cricketers, 20th-century english cricketers, 20th-century fiba world championship players, 20th-century fifa world cup players, 20th-century professional wrestlers, 20th-century female professional wrestlers, 20th-century male professional wrestlers, 20th-century olympic competitors by year, 21st-century sportspeople by sport, 21st-century cricketers, 21st-century english cricketers, 21st-century bangladeshi cricketers, 21st-century olympic competitors by year
 * Nominator's rationale: Per a number of previous CfDs (e.g. Categories_for_discussion/Log/2018_January_12), organizing sportspersons by century is seen as not helpful. At the end of that discussion, someone proposed that more of these categories should be subsequently nominated, but I don't believe that has happened, so I am doing so now. I am bundling a number of categories together and I think the dynamics of them are generally all the same, but note that I have excluded Category:20th-century sailors, which seems to have naval officers mixed into it; the bizarre subcategories of Category:20th-century English cricketers, which seems to merit its own nomination; and some of these ethnic/national categories like Category:Czechoslovak sportspeople who only existed in the 20th-century, but I don't think these should be deleted, as they are clearly part of a different scheme. There are also similar schemes for chess and Go, which I've left alone as they are more extensive and not actually sports, so it introduces noise about including them in any sports-related category. From what I see, this will not leave any orphan categories or something that cannot be logically navigated from another scheme and for what it's worth, I created at least one of these and think they should all go. Lastly, I of course have no prejudice against listifying some of these, but I'll leave that up to anyone who feels particularly motivated to do it. ―Justin ( koa v f ) ❤T☮C☺M☯ 01:02, 5 July 2024 (UTC)


 * Per request, I am pinging anyone I've seen participating in previous discussions, including some that were deletes on some of the above categories and someone saw fit to recreate, such as Category:20th-century cricketers which was recreated by User:Smasongarrison without any apparent consensus to un-delete, but said user can tell us below if there was and I've missed it. Please inform us why you recreated this deleted material. Any omissions are accidents, except in the case of deceased users (RIP). ―Justin ( koa v f ) ❤T☮C☺M☯ 01:34, 5 July 2024 (UTC)
 * ―Justin ( koa v f ) ❤T☮C☺M☯ 01:34, 5 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Per request, here are some relevant CfDs re: sportspersons and by-century categories. Any omissions are purely ignorance on my part. Other users please do inform me if there are relevant CfDs on this topic that I've missed. As I noted above, there is a broad consensus against these in most, if not all, cases, and some users have seen fit to recreate categories where there was an explicit consensus to delete them.
 * Categories_for_discussion/Log/2009_August_31
 * Categories_for_discussion/Log/2010_January_7
 * Categories_for_discussion/Log/2010_January_9
 * Categories_for_discussion/Log/2010_January_19
 * Categories_for_discussion/Log/2010_January_26
 * Categories_for_discussion/Log/2010_February_4
 * Categories_for_discussion/Log/2010_February_5
 * Categories_for_discussion/Log/2010_February_24
 * Categories_for_discussion/Log/2010_February_24
 * Categories_for_discussion/Log/2010_March_3
 * Categories_for_discussion/Log/2010_February_24
 * Categories_for_discussion/Log/2010_March_7
 * Categories_for_discussion/Log/2018_January_12
 * Categories_for_discussion/Log/2023_October_29
 * Categories_for_discussion/Log/2023_December_25
 * Categories_for_discussion/Log/2024_January_10
 * ―Justin ( koa v f ) ❤T☮C☺M☯ 01:59, 5 July 2024 (UTC)


 * Keep. The 19th century categories aren't modern, and have numerous recent CFDs in support of keeping them Categories for discussion/Log/2023 December 25, Categories_for_discussion/Log/2024_January_10. You also omitted several more recent CFDs, including this one I pointed out Categories for discussion/Log/2023 October 29. The goal of these categories is to keep the many century category clear. Please tag the participants from those CFDs.Mason (talk) 01:16, 5 July 2024 (UTC)
 * So keep what? All of them? Just the 19th-century ones? The triple intersections of century, nationality, and sport such as Category:20th-century English cricketers? ―Justin ( koa v f ) ❤T☮C☺M☯ 01:19, 5 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Please don't misgender me. For the record, I remade the parent category for cricketers because the nationality subcategories existed, and had existed for quiet sometime. Mason (talk) 01:36, 5 July 2024 (UTC)
 * I have amended the above, so pardon me for the gender-neutral pronoun usage. Maybe I was unclear: you saw that there was consensus to delete the category and yet you recreated it. Was there some consensus to recreate it that I didn't know about or did you just personally decide that even though you knew there was consensus to delete it, you would recreate it anyway without any consensus to do so? Please also actually answer the questions I asked so I know what your !vote is. ―Justin ( koa v f ) ❤T☮C☺M☯ 01:51, 5 July 2024 (UTC)
 * I have already answered you question in regards to why I recreated the category: "I remade the parent category for cricketers because the nationality subcategories existed, and had existed for quiet sometime". That combined with the recent Categories for discussion/Log/2023 October 29, which I had also provided you, indicated that opinions might have shifted.  I think that this mass nomination is a mess, and should not have been bundled. I am voting keep on procedural grounds. There are way too many different components happening here, there is no way to have a considered conversation. Further many of these deletions will isolate people/categories that have been diffused here to keep other categories organized. Mason (talk) 22:31, 5 July 2024 (UTC)


 * Keep. From what little I can recall, my rationale in creating this category was that baseball was a very different game in the 19th century and it was very useful to have a separate category for a relatively small subset of baseball players.   Gamaliel  ( talk ) 03:37, 5 July 2024 (UTC)
 * To be clear, are you !voting to keep all or just 19th-century baseball ones? ―[[User:Koavf|Justin ( koav f )]] ❤T☮C☺M☯ 08:44, 5 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Just the 19th century. I don't do enough work in sports articles to properly gauge the usefulness of 20th century categories.  Gamaliel  ( talk ) 14:27, 5 July 2024 (UTC)


 * Certainly delete 20th-century and 21st-century categories, we should do that for many other occupations too. The vast majority of biographies is about 20th-century and 21st-century people so the century characteristic does not discriminate at all. I am somewhat hesitant about the 19th-century categories because they may be a vital part of history of sports. Marcocapelle (talk) 03:38, 5 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Delete all. Occupation categories by century are completely pointless and should all be deleted. -- Necrothesp (talk) 07:37, 5 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related page discussions. GiantSnowman 17:30, 5 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Delete Category:20th-century FIFA World Cup players, simply not needed. No views on the others. GiantSnowman 17:31, 5 July 2024 (UTC)


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Category:Ardit Sadiku

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete House Blaster  (talk · he/they) 03:39, 13 July 2024 (UTC)


 * Propose merging Category:Ardit Sadiku to Category:Films by Albanian directors
 * Nominator's rationale: Redudant category layer. There's not even a epon page for this category. Ardit Sadiku Mason (talk) 00:20, 5 July 2024 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom. (Not sure what nominator intends with merging in this case.) Marcocapelle (talk) 03:42, 5 July 2024 (UTC)
 * My intent with merging was to ensure that sole child category wasn't isolated. (But to be fair, I didn't look to see if it was already there). Mason (talk) 22:34, 5 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Ok, then we mean the same. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:23, 6 July 2024 (UTC)


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Category:20th-century Nepalese film directors

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge House Blaster  (talk · he/they) 03:38, 13 July 2024 (UTC)


 * Propose merging Category:20th-century Nepalese film directors to Category:Nepalese film directors and Category:20th-century Nepalese people
 * Propose merging Category:21st-century Nepalese film directors to Category:Nepalese film directors and Category:21st-century Nepalese people
 * Nominator's rationale: Modern occupations aren't diffused by century. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2010_March_2#Film_directors_by_century Mason (talk) 00:17, 5 July 2024 (UTC)


 * Support per nom, but do the merge to Category:20th-century Nepalese people and Category:21st-century Nepalese people manually because many articles are still in a parallel screenwriters category. Marcocapelle (talk) 03:46, 5 July 2024 (UTC)


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