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X by ethnic or national origin

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkl  talk  10:23, 23 June 2024 (UTC)


 * Propose renaming category to Category:Lists of American people by ethnicity
 * Propose renaming category to Category:American actors by ethnicity
 * Propose renaming category to Category:American models by ethnicity
 * Propose renaming category to Category:American military personnel by ethnicity
 * Propose renaming category to Category:American film directors by ethnicity
 * Propose renaming category to Category:Organized crime by ethnicity
 * Propose renaming category to Category:American musicians by ethnicity
 * Propose renaming category to Category:American architects by ethnicity
 * Propose renaming category to Category:American scientists by ethnicity
 * Propose renaming category to Category:American journalists by ethnicity
 * Propose renaming category to Category:American rappers by ethnicity
 * Propose renaming category to Category:American writers by ethnicity
 * Propose renaming category to Category:American artists by ethnicity
 * Propose renaming category to Category:American gangsters by ethnicity
 * Propose renaming category to Category:American novelists by ethnicity
 * Propose renaming category to Category:American social scientists by ethnicity
 * Propose renaming category to Category:American short story writers by ethnicity
 * Propose renaming category to Category:American poets by ethnicity
 * Propose renaming category to Category:American trade unionists by ethnicity
 * Propose renaming category to Category:American aviators by ethnicity
 * Propose renaming category to Category:Lists of Canadian people by ethnicity
 * Propose renaming category to Category:American activists by ethnicity
 * Propose renaming category to Category:American sculptors by ethnicity
 * Propose renaming category to Category:American classical musicians by ethnicity
 * Propose renaming category to Category:American singers by ethnicity
 * Propose renaming category to Category:American dramatists and playwrights by ethnicity
 * Propose renaming category to Category:American academics by ethnicity
 * Propose renaming category to Category:Lists of Brazilian people by ethnicity
 * Propose renaming category to Category:Hawaii people by ethnicity
 * Propose renaming category to Category:American male actors by ethnicity
 * Propose renaming category to Category:American actresses by ethnicity
 * Propose renaming category to Category:American professional wrestlers by ethnicity
 * Propose renaming category to Category:American lawyers by ethnicity
 * Propose renaming category to Category:Lists of Pakistani people by ethnicity
 * Propose renaming category to Category:People from the Austrian Empire by ethnicity
 * Propose renaming category to Category:American comedians by ethnicity
 * Propose renaming category to Category:Lists of Israeli people by ethnicity
 * Propose renaming category to Category:American photographers by ethnicity
 * Propose renaming category to Category:American educators by ethnicity
 * Propose renaming category to Category:Lists of Iranian people by ethnicity
 * Propose renaming category to Category:American physicians by ethnicity
 * Nominator's rationale: Per brevity, actual contents, and consistency with almost all of the non-US categories. Follow-up to Categories_for_discussion/Log/2024_June_7. –LaundryPizza03 ( d c̄ ) 22:36, 15 June 2024 (UTC)


 * Rename, ethnicity is not about people's ancestors, it is about what people are themselves. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:17, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Rename per nom. NLeeuw (talk) 13:02, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Rename per nom. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 03:43, 20 June 2024 (UTC)


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Category:20th century rump states

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkl  talk  10:23, 23 June 2024 (UTC)


 * Propose merging Category:20th century rump states to Category:Rump states
 * Nominator's rationale: Upmerge this isolated category. If not merged, it should be renamed to 20th-century rump states Mason (talk) 21:59, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Merge The target category is not large enough to support any diffusion beyond the remaining categories by historical empire. –LaundryPizza03 ( d c̄ ) 22:44, 15 June 2024 (UTC)


 * Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:18, 16 June 2024 (UTC)


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Category:21st century in Malé

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge/delete. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  10:24, 23 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:21st century in Malé to Category:History of Malé
 * Propose deleting Category:Centuries in Malé
 * Nominator's rationale: merge, redundant category layer, this is the only content in the tree of the target. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:14, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Merge Category:Centuries in Malé can also be deleted, as it will become empty. –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d c̄ ) 23:49, 15 June 2024 (UTC)


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Category:Battles of the American Revolutionary War by state
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Category:Counterparts to the protagonist
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 * The result of the discussion was: manual merge. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  10:30, 23 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Counterparts to the protagonist to Category:Fictional characters by role in the narrative structure
 * Nominator's rationale: upmerge, "counterpart" is a subjective characterizstion. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:20, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Manual merge Mixture of several distinct concepts, some of which are covered by other subcategories of the target. –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d c̄ ) 22:43, 15 June 2024 (UTC)


 * Manual merge per LP. It is definitely an WP:ARBITRARYCAT. NLeeuw (talk) 13:26, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
 * For earlier related discussions after which this was kept, see Categories for discussion/Log/2008 September 23 and Categories for discussion/Log/2009 August 17. – Fayenatic  L ondon 15:08, 18 June 2024 (UTC)
 * I still get the impression that these roles should have their own categories if applicable, e.g. a category for Category:Fictional love interests. –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d c̄ ) 17:47, 18 June 2024 (UTC)
 * I see that I previously defended this category, but some former members may have been merged, leaving less content to make these two categories worthwhile. I now support the proposed merge. – Fayenatic  L ondon 15:12, 18 June 2024 (UTC)


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Category:Antagonists by role
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 * The result of the discussion was: rename (non-admin closure) –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d c̄ ) 16:04, 22 June 2024 (UTC)


 * Propose renaming Category:Antagonists by role to Category:Antagonists
 * Nominator's rationale: Unclear why "by role" is in the name. Walsh90210 (talk) 17:31, 15 June 2024 (UTC)


 * Rename per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:20, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Rename per nom. NLeeuw (talk) 13:27, 16 June 2024 (UTC)


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Category:United Hospitals
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 * The result of the discussion was: merge. (non-admin closure) –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d  c̄ ) 16:05, 22 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:United Hospitals to Category:Medical schools in London
 * Nominator's rationale: These categories appear to be equivalent and "Medical schools in London" describes the contents of the categories more clearly. I have not nominated the Category:United Hospitals sports clubs subcategory as that may be the common name. TSventon (talk) 15:19, 15 June 2024 (UTC)


 * Merge per nom, but leave a redirect. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:22, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
 * I agree that a redirect makes sense. TSventon (talk) 11:47, 16 June 2024 (UTC)


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Category:Hotel Transylvania television series
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 * The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure) –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d c̄ ) 16:04, 22 June 2024 (UTC)


 * Propose deleting hotel transylvania television series
 * Nominator's rationale: Contains only one article. Definitely a case of WP:OVERCAT. (Oinkers42) (talk) 14:57, 15 June 2024 (UTC)


 * Delete in the spirit of WP:C2F. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:24, 15 June 2024 (UTC)


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Category:People with substance use disorder
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 * The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure) –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d c̄ ) 16:04, 22 June 2024 (UTC)


 * Propose deleting people with substance use disorder
 * Nominator's rationale: This category will never meet WP:BLPCAT or WP:CATDEFINE/WP:COPDEF. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 13:03, 15 June 2024 (UTC)


 * Delete, never say never, but it is very unlikely. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:26, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. Mason (talk) 21:59, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Delete per the nomination. <b style="color:#ff0000;">Tar</b><b style="color:#ff7070;">nis</b><b style="color:#ffa0a0;">hed</b><b style="color:#420000;">Path</b><b style="color:#bd4004;">talk</b> 05:18, 16 June 2024 (UTC)


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Category:Hinglaj Mata
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Category:Lists of foods by nationality
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 * The result of the discussion was: rename to Category:Cuisine-related lists and reparent. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  10:35, 23 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Lists of foods by nationality to Category:Cuisine-related lists Category:Lists of foods by country
 * Nominator's rationale: Food does not have a nationality; only human beings do. Aldij (talk) 11:43, 6 June 2024 (UTC)


 * Rename per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:26, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Meanwhile better targets have been proposed below, so this is outdated. Marcocapelle (talk) 14:54, 16 June 2024 (UTC)


 * Agree with nom. --Funandtrvl (talk) 01:04, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Comment Shouldn't this be something like List of foods/dishes by cuisine? All child categories are named Fooian cuisine-related lists‎, while almost all articles are named List of Barian dishes/foods/drinks/desserts/ingredients. It seems like Barian is explicitly meant to include diaspora communities of Barian emigrants around the world, who have taken their Barian cuisine dishes and stuff with them. If we rename to "by country", we could be excluding diaspora communities, while "nationality" (though problematic) at least includes first-generation emigrants from Bar. I'm not sure what a better alternative would be, though. Thoughts? NLeeuw (talk) 14:55, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
 * but the category's parent is Category:Cuisine by country, and it looks like Category:Cuisine by ethnicity doesn't have any countries in it. --Funandtrvl (talk) 22:55, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Hmm yeah. I'm still missing the "cuisine" part though. Lists of foods/dishes by cuisine by country? Idk. NLeeuw (talk) 15:43, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Cuisine-related lists by country? -- DB 1729 talk 13:31, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
 * We do not need food or dishes at all, so Cuisine-related lists by country is the better option. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:59, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Yes, Cuisine-related lists by country sounds like a good choice, since it represents what's in the category. --Funandtrvl (talk) 00:09, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Won't we need Category:Cuisine-related lists, also? --Funandtrvl (talk) 00:16, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Interesting question. I'd say, as Category:Cuisine-related lists does not exist yet, we might as well rename Category:Lists of foods by nationality to Category:Cuisine-related lists. We do not really need "by country" or "by nationality" at this point. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:43, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Yes, it is indeed better! I updated proposal. --Aldij (talk) 11:35, 14 June 2024 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Qwerfjkl  talk  12:17, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
 * CU note - the OP is the sock of a prolific LTA. Girth Summit <sub style="font-family:Segoe print;color:blue;"> (blether)  11:41, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
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 * Comment Given that the nominator turns to have been a sockpuppet and has now been blocked, but we seem close to an agreement, I suggest we rename to Category:Cuisine-related lists per Marcocapelle. would you agree? And  you might want to clarify your !vote of 16:26, 6 June 2024 (the closer might get confused whether it should be counted for original proposal Category:Lists of foods by country, or amended proposal Category:Cuisine-related lists). NLeeuw (talk) 13:11, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Agree. Rename to Category:Cuisine-related lists. DB 1729 talk 13:16, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
 * agree, rename to Category:Cuisine-related lists. --Funandtrvl (talk) 02:50, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
 * I'd put the renamed category as a child category of Category:Cuisine, instead of under Category:Cuisine by country. --Funandtrvl (talk) 03:32, 17 June 2024 (UTC)


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Category:Women who experienced pregnancy loss
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Category:18th-century Wallachian poets
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Category:Malayan law by year
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 * The result of the discussion was: merge (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkl  talk  10:38, 23 June 2024 (UTC)


 * Propose merging Category:Malayan law by year to Category:Malayan law
 * Nominator's rationale: merge, redundant category layer, Category:Malayan law is otherwise empty. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:58, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Merge per nom. –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d c̄ ) 16:03, 22 June 2024 (UTC)


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Category:History of Malaysia since Independence
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Category:History of Malaya
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Category:History of Malaysia by Federal Territory
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 * The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure) –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d c̄ ) 16:03, 22 June 2024 (UTC)


 * Propose deleting history of malaysia by federal territory
 * Nominator's rationale: delete, redundant category layer with only one subcategory. Merging is not needed, the subcategory is already in Category:Histories of cities in Malaysia. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:26, 15 June 2024 (UTC)


 * Delete/upmerge, little point carving out Federal territory categories from state categories. (Whether that means renaming categories like Category:Categories by state of Malaysia is another matter.) CMD (talk) 08:22, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
 * To clarify, Category:History of Kuala Lumpur‎ should be placed in all of the categories this cat is currently in. CMD (talk) 15:06, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
 * It is already in the relevant subcategories of the parents. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:00, 20 June 2024 (UTC)


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Category:Cultural policy of East Germany
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 * The result of the discussion was: merge to Category:Culture of East Germany. (non-admin closure) –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d  c̄ ) 15:58, 22 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting cultural policy of east germany
 * Nominator's rationale: delete, overall poorly fitting content. One article is about a festival, the other article is about general duties of citizens. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:01, 15 June 2024 (UTC)


 * Upmerge for now to Category:Culture of East Germany. Child Category:Cultural organisations based in East Germany (1 P) should also be upmerged to Category:Culture of East Germany. I don't think just delete is a good option here. NLeeuw (talk) 06:42, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Ok, then it'll be merge. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:28, 15 June 2024 (UTC)


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Category:18th-century German Jewish theologians
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 * The result of the discussion was: merge (non-admin closure) –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d c̄ ) 15:57, 22 June 2024 (UTC)


 * Propose merging Category:18th-century German Jewish theologians to Category:18th-century German theologians and Category:German Jewish theologians and Category:18th-century Jewish theologians and Category:18th-century German Jews
 * Nominator's rationale: Isolated category Mason (talk) 04:03, 15 June 2024 (UTC)


 * Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 04:18, 15 June 2024 (UTC)


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Category:Ambassadors of Australia to Kosovo
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 * The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkl  talk  10:45, 23 June 2024 (UTC)


 * Propose deleting ambassadors of australia to kosovo
 * Nominator's rationale: This category is for people articles, not list articles. LibStar (talk) 02:12, 15 June 2024 (UTC)


 * Delete, it is not necessarily wrong to have the list in the category, but with only the list in it the category is redundant. Marcocapelle (talk) 04:20, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Delete The ambassador of Australia to Austria is accredited to six different countries, including Kosovo. –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d c̄ ) 05:59, 15 June 2024 (UTC)


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Film posters by country
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 * The result of the discussion was: no consensus. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  10:57, 23 June 2024 (UTC)
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 * Nominator's rationale: The current category names are ambiguous as to whether they're, for example, posters of Swedish films or film posters from Sweden. I'd recommend renaming to "Film posters of Sweden" like the Commons categories. hinnk (talk) 21:56, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Question I hate to be pedantic, but do you mean:
 * Film posters made in Sweden?
 * Film posters hung in Sweden?
 * Posters of films made in Sweden?
 * Posters of films made by Swedish crew members or crew members from Sweden?
 * Film posters that show "Sweden" (e.g. its landscapes or symbols associated with Sweden)?
 * Film posters made or owned by the government of Sweden?
 * Poster of films made by the government of Sweden?
 * Etc.
 * All of these are more or less reasonable interpretations of Film posters of Sweden. I'm glad you're trying to clarify the catnames, but I don't see it getting much clearer. NLeeuw (talk) 22:11, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Both en:Category:Film posters by language and commons:Category:Film posters by country already better manage this ambiguity, so it does seem like it can be clearer than it is. Even a decision not to rename but develop a consensus on what the subcategories mean and add that to Category:Film posters by language would make it clearer. I don't think being pedantic is helpful here. hinnk (talk) 22:37, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Hmmmm ok. Weak support. It's better than the current situation. NLeeuw (talk) 18:11, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

William Allen Simpson (talk) 06:26, 30 May 2024 (UTC) Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Qwerfjkl  talk  17:46, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Comment, regardless of renaming I do not think this is very ambiguous. Posters of Swedish films (i.e. in other countries than Sweden) would be a rather odd reading. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:06, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Leaning oppose; I don't think its very ambiguous. Omnis Scientia (talk) 18:55, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Support matching commonscat.
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 * Oppose. Commons category naming tends to have less good scrutiny than enwiki, so it lacks weight as a precedent. These poster categories should follow the parents Category:Japanese films etc. – Fayenatic  L ondon 13:16, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Populated places in Kirundo Province
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 * The result of the discussion was: keep. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  11:14, 23 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Populated places in Kirundo Province to Category:Populated places in Burundi and Category:Kirundo Province
 * Nominator's rationale: Only 2 pages at present, so not useful for navigation. – Fayenatic  L ondon 13:10, 7 June 2024 (UTC)


 * Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:59, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Considering the current number of articles in the category I am withdrawing my support. Marcocapelle (talk) 04:25, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Thanks. ♦ Dr. Blofeld  06:29, 15 June 2024 (UTC)


 * Keep. 9 pages now that I have put the communes into the category. 14 when articles are started for the capitals of the communes. And a region with over 600,000 people surely has many more settlements that deserve an article. Aymatth2 (talk) 21:44, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Communes are administrative units if I understand correctly, not populated places. Marcocapelle (talk) 03:35, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Exactly. I have reverted those additions, because the Communes of Burundi are not "populated places" which means cities/towns/villages. – Fayenatic  L ondon 10:23, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
 * According to the wikipedia articles, each of the seven communes in Kirundo Province has a capital with the same name. The capital of the Commune of Bugabira is Bugabira. The capital of the Commune of Busoni is Busoni, and so on. Kirundo Province had a population of 628,256 as of the 2008 census. The 2018 population was estimated as 927,761, or about 130,000 per commune. Our coverage of this region is atrocious. Let's not make it even harder for editors to improve it.
 * This source describes Bugabira as a small town with colonial-era architecture. Bugabira commune is divided into the collines of Kiri, Kiyonza, Gaturanda, Rubuga, Kigina, Nyakarama, Nyamabuye, Nyabikenke, Rugasa, Gitwe and Kigoma. Google maps shows Gaturanda as a region south of an arm of Lake Cyohoha South with labelled villages named Gaturanda, Rugondo and Rubuga. Gaturanda village looks substantial. In 2012 the Global Water Partnership Eastern Africa gathered data related to drought in Rubuga, Kigina, and Gaturanda in Bugabira commune. In August 2014 six houses were burned in Bugabira commune, including five in Gaturanda and one in Kigoma. In April 2016 Gaston Sindimwo, President of Burundi, visited Gaturanda, which lies on the border with Rwanda, to ask the people not to stir up problems over refugees. In 2023 Bugabira municipality issued a call for tenders for extension of the Gaturanda health center..
 * Clearly these is enough information online to piece together sketches of the many populated places in Kirundo Province. The category structure should be ready for them. Aymatth2 (talk) 13:43, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
 * The category structure should be made ready after there are enough articles, not before. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:07, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
 * How many populated places are enough to justify the category for the province? Would it matter if they were all in the same commune? Aymatth2 (talk) 22:43, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
 * You may want to chime in on this. An accepted number could save a lot of time on debates over lightly-populated categories. Aymatth2 (talk) 01:13, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
 * "Five" is often mentioned at CFD as some editors' opinion of a sensible minimum. Personally, I would create a category for four. In a case like this, where additional stubs could easily be created, I would not bother nominating a category that had three members – but I would still not encourage you to create it for less than four. – Fayenatic  L ondon 08:00, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
 * That is helpful. I have pumped up Kirundo Province a bit and may start some articles on features of the province. Any thoughts? Aymatth2 (talk) 14:05, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
 * I have often included Commune and town in the same article for African countries. Makes sense for places in the developing world where there may not be an abundance of sources. Though I don't think we should really have the commune and town in the same article for places which cover an area of 235 square kilometres like Bugabira. Either way, it would be silly to delete a category simply because the region is underdeveloped. ♦ Dr. Blofeld  14:07, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

Relisting comment: Seven articles as of relisting. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, House Blaster  (talk · he/they) 00:48, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
 * As Aymatth2 admits, even the other 5 capitals of communes in Kirundo Province do not have articles yet. For some reason a famous cat-stroking Wikipedian created 50 stubs for 16 years ago, mostly villages, then apparently petered out part-way into Buriri Province. As and when articles are created for more settlements in this province, the category may then be re-created when it becomes justifiable, but Template:Kirundo Province is sufficient and appropriate for navigational needs at the moment; I have added Vumbi into it. – Fayenatic  L ondon 12:44, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Keep Per Aymatth2. And populate..♦ Dr. Blofeld  14:07, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Kirundo Province has more people than Alaska, which has at least 148 populated places. If Category:Populated places in Kirundo Province is deleted, and then a new editor decides to create articles for some of the places in the province, they will likely try to recreate the category. They will see a big red warning saying the Wikipedia community has decided there should not be such a category. I would just go ahead and recreate it anyway, but a newbie may be discouraged. That is the last thing we want to happen for an area which is so poorly covered. Aymatth2 (talk) 13:49, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Rock, Rock, Rock!
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