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Category:Major League Baseball Triple Crown winners
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Category:Universidad Del Pacífico – Ecuador alumni

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkl  talk  11:40, 29 June 2024 (UTC)


 * Propose deleting universidad del pacífico – ecuador alumni
 * Nominator's rationale: Category lacks the requisite sourcing and the main article for the category has been deleted. Allan Nonymous (talk) 20:06, 21 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. –LaundryPizza03 ( d c̄ ) 00:55, 29 June 2024 (UTC)


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Category:National Roads in South Africa
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Category:Crime action films
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Category:Battles involving the Qarmatians

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 * The result of the discussion was: no consensus. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  11:48, 29 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Battles involving the Qarmatians to Category:Battles involving the Qarmatian state of Bahrayn or Category:Battles involving the Qarmatians of Bahrayn.
 * Nominator's rationale: These battles concern a specific subgroup of Qarmatians, namely those of the Qarmatian 'republic' of Bahrayn under the al-Jannabi family. This was the main Qarmatian group, but by no means the only one, and at any rate it should be distinguished. Other "Qarmatian" battles, like the Battle of Hama (even though the Qarmatian label is debatable here), are not included. Constantine  ✍  07:18, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Qwerfjkl  talk  15:44, 12 June 2024 (UTC) Relisting comment: (Sorry, wrong CfD) Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, –LaundryPizza03 ( d c̄ ) 19:16, 21 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Minor question: why Bahrayn instead of Bahrain? Marcocapelle (talk) 19:33, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Because that is the most common transliteration in the literature. It also does not refer to the modern state of Bahrain, but the whole region of Eastern Arabia (historical Bahrayn/Bahrain). Constantine  ✍  14:12, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Comment Nom just created parent Category:Qarmatian state of Bahrayn 4 minutes before proposing to rename this child category. But the grandparent is Category:Qarmatians, and the main article is Qarmatians. Google-Booksing "Qarmatian state of Bahrayn" yields only 5 results. "Bahrain" is evidently the WP:COMMONNAME, there is no apparent need for this renaming, nor for the redundant new layer Category:Qarmatian state of Bahrayn created by nom. I suggest reverting to the situation of 3 June 2024. NLeeuw (talk) 19:32, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Nom has actually worked on this topic and may be suggesting this move because of this knowledge, not just because of a flight of fancy. Qarmatianism is a broader phenomenon than the Qarmatian state of Bahrayn, hence the two should be kept separate, with the Qarmatians remaining as the overarching parent category/article. There ideally should be a different, dedicated parent article for the state, like ru:Карматское государство, but one thing at a time. Constantine  ✍  07:27, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Comment Are there "Battles involving the Qarmatians" that DON'T involve Bahrayn? Because if there aren't, I'm not sure this change is necessary. Liz Read! Talk! 17:49, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Good point. Main article Qarmatians has an Infobox former country and an Infobox war faction, both of which provide exactly the same beginning and end dates of 899–1077.
 * It also claims that it all started with Bahrain and ended with Bahrain (or Bahrayn if you will):
 * Start: Eventually, from Qatar, he captured Bahrain's capital Hajr and al-Hasa in 899, which he made the capital of his state...
 * End: According to the maritime historian Dionisius A. Agius, the Qarmatians finally disappeared in 1067, after they lost their fleet at Bahrain Island and were expelled from Hasa near the Arabian coast by the chief of Banu, Murra ibn Amir.
 * 1067 may be a typo, as the rest of the article insists on 1077, referring to Overthrow of the Qarmatians, which is dated to 1058–1077.
 * Finally, the example of Battle of Hama is so ambiguous as to what the "Qarmatians" have to do with it (which is discussed at length in the article itself, with good sources), that it cannot count as evidence for non-Bahraini "Qarmatians".
 * In short, there seems to be no difference. NLeeuw (talk) 20:33, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
 * But the Battle of Hama is counted as a Qarmatian battle by primary sources, and will be found as such even in some modern literature. And no, the Qarmatians != Bahrayn, no matter what the article currently claims. Bahrayn was the only successful Qarmatian state, but Qarmatianism is broader than that, with adherents across the Middle East, of lesser prominence due to the lack of state power, but still following their own doctrines and with their own histories. Constantine  ✍  16:48, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
 * As said, the Battle of Hama is questionable, as other primary sources contradict it, and many modern scholars do not think it involved Qarmatians (read Battle of Hama). Have you got examples of battles other than Hama that supposedly involved non-Bahraini Qarmatians? NLeeuw (talk) 11:59, 19 June 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Wesean National Leaders
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 * The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkl  talk  11:44, 29 June 2024 (UTC)


 * Propose deleting wesean national leaders
 * Nominator's rationale: This counts as a WP:HOAX. Nothing called "Wesea" actually exists. It is an aspiration for certain separatist political movements. Kautilya3 (talk) 18:51, 21 June 2024 (UTC)


 * Speedy delete per G3. Category has been emptied by an unknown person. See also Articles for deletion/Wesea (Western SouthEast Asia). –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d c̄ ) 19:01, 21 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Comment It was emptied by the nominator. There are scripts that can show you who has added or removed articles or categories from a category. Liz <sup style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: #006400;">Read! Talk! 20:09, 21 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Yes, indeed. That is why I didn't use WP:G3 as my rationale. The issue is deeper than just being an empty category. But even G3 should be good enough, for now. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 22:16, 21 June 2024 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:36, 22 June 2024 (UTC)


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Category:Legendary creatures
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 * The result of the discussion was: no consensus. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  11:51, 29 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Legendary creatures to Category:Folklore creatures
 * Nominator's rationale: merge or reverse merge, largely overlapping categories. I will tag both categories. Marcocapelle (talk) 12:10, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Merge per nom. Omnis Scientia (talk) 10:32, 3 June 2024 (UTC)

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 * Merge per nom. "Legendary" supposes that there might be some truth to it, but all contents here seem to fall outside of the realm of serious modern biology. NLeeuw (talk) 21:25, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Keep At the moment, "Legendary" sits above "Folklore" and "Mythological creatures" - rather a lot of the contents of the first two should probably be moved to the last. As a matter of English meaning, I don't think "Legendary" supposes that there might be some truth to it" is at all true. "legendary" suggests to me a literary source(s) somewhere quite early on, & I think there is a distinction, if a rather vague one. Johnbod (talk) 21:41, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
 * At the moment "legendary" sits above, but the hierarchy could just as well be reversed because there isn't a clear distinction. The fact that the above two editors disagree on what Legendary means illustrates the confusion. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:30, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
 * While I'm not necessarily opposed to merging related folklore/legend/mythology categories together, I don't know which goes where. AHI-3000 (talk) 01:36, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
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 * A redirect certainly seems helpful, especially if we agree a merger is a good idea, but are in doubt about the best target. One way or the other, readers and editors will thus find their way. NLeeuw (talk) 17:23, 12 June 2024 (UTC)

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 * Keep Legends are a distinct type of folklore, and place their narratives within human history. Dimadick (talk) 17:23, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Reverse merge Per nom so that the original single category for this is restored, for the most part the contents of the category have nothing to do with being from folklore, and it's an WP:OVERLAPCAT anyway with folklore falling under the purview of legends. The article itself is Legendary creature. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 01:57, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
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 * Either Keep, or do the following: Rename Category:Mythological creatures to Category:Creatures in myth and legend, and Rename Category:Folklore creatures to Category:Creatures in folklore. Then selectively Split Category:Legendary creatures to each of those renamed categories. I think I said this in a previous discussion on CfD, but the Myth/Legend/Folklore distinction is a bit fluid in the sources. I think for our purposes, if we use Folklore as the overall term, and then have a separate "in myth and legend" (or "in myths and legends", if preferred), then I think that should resolve most things, and help a bit more to guide editors away from applying WP:OR. But we need to be careful about Myth, especially in regards to people and creatures, because belief and religion can be involved there. - jc37 20:16, 22 June 2024 (UTC)


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Category:Romans from Africa
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 * The result of the discussion was: no consensus. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  11:54, 29 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Romans from Africa to Category:Roman-era African people
 * Propose renaming Category:Ancient Romans by province to Category:Roman-era people by province
 * Nominator's rationale: rename, many of these people were not Romans. Aligning this with e.g. Category:Roman-era people by ethnicity. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:14, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

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 * Question By "(Ancient) Romans", do we mean "Roman citizens", or is it just anyone who is culturally / ethnolinguistically Roman or Romanised? As far as I can tell, Category:Ancient Romans is not in the Category:People by nationality tree, but through Category:Italic peoples it is in the Category:People by ethnicity tree. Main article Roman Africans defines them as the ancient populations of Roman North Africa that had a Romanized culture, some of whom spoke their own variety of Latin as a result. If there are non-Romans in this category, that means they should either be Purged, or we should Split this category into Roman Africans and Roman-era non-Roman Africans or something. NLeeuw (talk) 13:42, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
 * PS: By analogy to Category:Arabs in the Roman Empire, we could have Category:Africans in the Roman Empire, and Roman Africans and non-Roman Africans would be the two subsets of that. Basically, everyone who was an African but not a Roman could be put directly into that category, and everyone who was a "Roman African" could be put in the "Roman Africans" subcategory. NLeeuw (talk) 13:47, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Category:Africans in the Roman Empire is also a good rename target. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:26, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
 * I like the rename target! Mason (talk) 22:57, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
 * at second thought the name might be confusing after all, because it seems to exclude African people from the Roman Republic. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:01, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Fair point. I was worried about that already. This presumably isn't a problem for Category:Arabs in the Roman Empire then? The Nabataean Kingdom and Roman Judea were annexed after 27 BCE, but I'm not sure about the demographics of Coele-Syria (Roman province) (annexed in 64 BCE). Perhaps other scholars could correct me on this, but by my knowledge, Coele-Syria in the 1st century BCE was populated by a mixture of Greeks and Hellenised Aramaeans, Syriacs, and Jews / Samaritans, and Romans. I'm not sure there was a substantial population of "Arabs" there at a time (though no doubt the occasional Arabian merchant would pass through the region). If Arabs didn't form a significant population within the Roman Republic, perhaps this category doesn't have the same scope issues as our Roman-era Africans. NLeeuw (talk) 06:21, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
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 * Category:Africans in the Roman Empire appears to be more problematic than I initially thought, so I stand by the original nomination. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:04, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Would there be any objection to simply rename to Category:Roman Africans per WP:C2D Roman Africans, and perhaps purge some people who weren't "Roman" enough? NLeeuw (talk) 19:15, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
 * How much is "enough"? Marcocapelle (talk) 04:32, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
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 * Comment Couldn't we have both?★Trekker (talk) 17:39, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
 * That would be too confusing. We also have a tree of Category:People from Africa (Roman province). Marcocapelle (talk) 06:19, 26 June 2024 (UTC)


 * Oppose the first, lean oppose the second: the Constitutio Antoniniana of AD 212 granted citizenship to all free residents of the Roman empire, and while there were non-free inhabitants (slaves, prisoners), we would probably consider them Romans irrespective of their legal status. So in theory the only non-Romans from that point onward would be travelers passing through—and they probably do not represent a significant proportion of these categories. Even before this, most of the inhabitants of areas under direct Roman governance are people we would consider "Romans" in the broadest sense.
 * The first proposed category could theoretically include people of any origin living anywhere on the continent of Africa between the eighth century BC and the sixth century AD—possibly later, depending on whether you include the Byzantine Empire under "Roman era". In theory this would include the Carthaginians, Numidians, Egyptians, and various other Phoenician and Greek colonists, as well as native peoples, even before they had contact with, much less governance by Rome.  But the clear intent of the category under its current title is to include inhabitants of Roman Africa, not other areas, and this also limits the time period—there was no Roman era in Africa until the latter half of the second century BC, and other areas only gradually came under Roman control (for instance, Numidia, Tripolitania, Egypt).  Renaming the category as proposed would dramatically increase the nominal scope in a way that is not intended.
 * "Roman-era people by province" is not quite as bad, since its geographic scope would be limited to people within the borders of Roman territories, but again it would include relatively few non-Romans, since once a place became a Roman province, its free inhabitants typically became citizens, or in the case of non-free inhabitants who were owned by citizens, or natives under direct Roman governance, we would still typically call them Roman: although there must have been many non-citizens at various early stages, but there will be very few articles about them, and since the category name does not explicitly refer to citizenship, they could still be included under a broad reading of "Romans". The only people who would definitely not be included, again, would be travelers from foreign lands, and there cannot be a significant number of articles about foreign travelers in the Roman Empire—and they would not be "from" the provinces named, so it's not clear they would be included even under the proposed title.
 * In all, "Roman-era African people" is a really bad choice, as its title gives it a potentially unlimited scope, unconnected with either Romans or Roman territory; "Roman-era people by province" would be misleading, since it implies a broader scope than that which is evidently intended, even though there would hardly be any non-Romans in it (possibly various Huns, Goths, Franks, or Vandals toward the end of the Western Empire, though some of these became nominally Roman). P Aculeius (talk) 12:02, 26 June 2024 (UTC)


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Category:Violence in the Palestinian territories
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 * The result of the discussion was: keep. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  16:57, 29 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Violence in the Palestinian territories to Category:Violence in the State of Palestine
 * Nominator's rationale: merge, all four articles in the category are about events after the establishment of the State of Palestine. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:02, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Merge per nom.
 * NLeeuw (talk) 06:36, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

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 * @ Do you think no category is needed for the broader Palestinian territories and the events before the state establishment? -- M h hossein   talk 06:30, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Possibly. Which articles are you thinking of in particular? Marcocapelle (talk) 06:35, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
 * No special case at the moment, but there should be cases of violence ocurring in the Palestinian territories before the state establishment? -- M h hossein   talk 06:47, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
 * That's a good point. The State of Palestine didn't exist until 1988, while Palestinian territories have existed since 1967 (or 1949), depending on definition.VR (Please ping on reply) 09:25, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Ping me when you found some articles because then we do not need to merge. Until that happens the merge can go ahead, we do not keep empty categories. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:35, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
 * @Marcocapelle: For the time being: 1956 Rafah massacre, Qibya massacre, and Khan Yunis massacre. -- M h hossein   talk 05:33, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
 * shouldn't these articles be in Category:Gaza Strip and Category:West Bank Governorate? I don't think the concept of a unified Palestinian territories consisting of Gaza and the West Bank existed before 1967? Marcocapelle (talk) 05:57, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
 * It's a good question. I had always assumed that whatever area of the former British mandate of Palestine was not incorporated into the State of Israel after the war of 1948 was known as "Palestinian territories", but I would have to consult the historiography on this. NLeeuw (talk) 06:51, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
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 * No, merging to Category:Violence in the State of Palestine is meanwhile no longer applicable, the two articles currently in the category are pre-1967. Marcocapelle (talk) 12:07, 29 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Marcocapelle, so delete? keep?<span id="Qwerfjkl:1719663202398:WikipediaFTTCLNCategories_for_discussion/Log/2024_June_21" class="FTTCmt"> — Qwerfjkl  talk  12:13, 29 June 2024 (UTC)
 * either keep, or disperse to Category:Gaza Strip and Category:West Bank Governorate. (By lack of more accurate information it should default to keep.) Marcocapelle (talk) 12:15, 29 June 2024 (UTC)
 * I've got no strong opinion, but what Marco says makes sense. NLeeuw (talk) 16:47, 29 June 2024 (UTC)


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Category:Australian commercial artists
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Category:Australian flour millers and merchants
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Category:Mayoralties of municipalities in the United States
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 * The result of the discussion was: rename (non-admin closure) –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d c̄ ) 00:48, 29 June 2024 (UTC)


 * Propose renaming Category:Mayoralties of municipalities in the United States to Category:Individual mayoralties in the United States
 * Nominator's rationale: Category whose name is a bit confusing and not accurately descriptive of its contents. The contents here are subpages where a political figure (usually a person who went on from the mayoralty to hold much more prominent national offices, and thus has a very, very long biographical article that needed to have stuff chunked out from it for size management) has had a "Mayoralty of [Person]" article created as a spinoff from their base biography -- but that means that the defining characteristic here is "mayoralties of individual people", not "mayoralties of municipalities" (which could be too easily confused with a redundant duplication of, and thus potentially have stuff misfiled in it by editors who weren't paying attention to the actual contents of the categories.) So it should likely be renamed to make its intentions clearer. Bearcat (talk) 16:42, 21 June 2024 (UTC)


 * Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:54, 22 June 2024 (UTC)


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Category:Symplectic topology
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Category:Organisations based in Northeast India
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 * The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure) –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d c̄ ) 00:49, 29 June 2024 (UTC)


 * Propose deleting organisations based in northeast india
 * Nominator's rationale: Category:Organisations based in India not subcategorized this way. Gjs238 (talk) 14:58, 21 June 2024 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom. There is already diffusion by state. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:56, 22 June 2024 (UTC)


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Category:Saadi Shirazi
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 * The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure) –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d c̄ ) 00:49, 29 June 2024 (UTC)


 * Propose deleting saadi shirazi
 * Nominator's rationale: Delete for now. Only the writer and work of theirs in the category. Unhelpful for navigation when there are only two pages like this Mason (talk) 13:38, 21 June 2024 (UTC)


 * Delete, the two articles are already directly interlinked. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:57, 22 June 2024 (UTC)


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Category:Fox Sports 1 people
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Category:Meitei goddesses
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 * The result of the discussion was: merge (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkl  talk  12:05, 29 June 2024 (UTC)


 * Propose merging Category:Abundance goddesses in Meitei mythology to Category:Meitei goddesses
 * Propose merging Category:Agricultural goddesses in Meitei mythology to Category:Meitei goddesses
 * Propose merging Category:Animal goddesses in Meitei mythology to Category:Meitei goddesses
 * Propose merging Category:Arts goddesses in Meitei mythology to Category:Meitei goddesses
 * Propose merging Category:Beauty goddesses in Meitei mythology to Category:Meitei goddesses
 * Propose merging Category:Commerce goddesses in Meitei mythology to Category:Meitei goddesses
 * Propose merging Category:Crafts goddesses in Meitei mythology to Category:Meitei goddesses
 * Propose merging Category:Creator goddesses in Meitei mythology to Category:Meitei goddesses
 * Propose merging Category:Dance goddesses in Meitei mythology to Category:Meitei goddesses
 * Propose merging Category:Death goddesses in Meitei mythology to Category:Meitei goddesses
 * Propose merging Category:Domestic and hearth goddesses in Meitei mythology to Category:Meitei goddesses
 * Propose merging Category:Fertility goddesses in Meitei mythology to Category:Meitei goddesses
 * Propose merging Category:Food goddesses in Meitei mythology to Category:Meitei goddesses
 * Propose merging Category:Fortune goddesses in Meitei mythology to Category:Meitei goddesses
 * Propose merging Category:Harvest goddesses in Meitei mythology to Category:Meitei goddesses
 * Propose merging Category:Health goddesses in Meitei mythology to Category:Meitei goddesses
 * Propose merging Category:Justice goddesses in Meitei mythology to Category:Meitei goddesses
 * Propose merging Category:Knowledge goddesses in Meitei mythology to Category:Meitei goddesses
 * Propose merging Category:Life-death-rebirth goddesses in Meitei mythology to Category:Meitei goddesses
 * Propose merging Category:Liminal goddesses in Meitei mythology to Category:Meitei goddesses
 * Propose merging Category:Love and lust goddesses in Meitei mythology to Category:Meitei goddesses
 * Propose merging Category:Magic goddesses in Meitei mythology to Category:Meitei goddesses
 * Propose merging Category:Marriage goddesses in Meitei mythology to Category:Meitei goddesses
 * Propose merging Category:Mother goddesses in Meitei mythology to Category:Meitei goddesses
 * Propose merging Category:Mountain goddesses in Meitei mythology to Category:Meitei goddesses
 * Propose merging Category:Music and singing goddesses in Meitei mythology to Category:Meitei goddesses
 * Propose merging Category:Nature goddesses in Meitei mythology to Category:Meitei goddesses
 * Propose merging Category:Pastoral goddesses in Meitei mythology to Category:Meitei goddesses
 * Propose merging Category:Peace goddesses in Meitei mythology to Category:Meitei goddesses
 * Propose merging Category:Savior goddesses in Meitei mythology to Category:Meitei goddesses
 * Propose merging Category:Sky and weather goddesses in Meitei mythology to Category:Meitei goddesses
 * Propose merging Category:Time and fate goddesses in Meitei mythology to Category:Meitei goddesses
 * Propose merging Category:Trickster goddesses in Meitei mythology to Category:Meitei goddesses
 * Propose merging Category:Tutelary goddesses in Meitei mythology to Category:Meitei goddesses
 * Propose merging Category:Underworld goddesses in Meitei mythology to Category:Meitei goddesses
 * Propose merging Category:Virgin goddesses in Meitei mythology to Category:Meitei goddesses
 * Propose merging Category:War goddesses in Meitei mythology to Category:Meitei goddesses
 * Propose merging Category:Water goddesses in Meitei mythology to Category:Meitei goddesses
 * Propose merging Category:Wisdom goddesses in Meitei mythology to Category:Meitei goddesses
 * Nominator's rationale: I haven't listed all of the child categories of this, but the problem is not the parent category. The problem is that the parent category contains a massive 39 largely-overlapping categories for just 24 actual articles. I suggest that every child of this category should be merged back to the parent.  Pepper Beast    (talk)  02:07, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
 * I listed them all. –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d c̄ ) 02:50, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Thanks!  Pepper Beast    (talk)  03:08, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Support There is an evident large overlap in the roles of deities in Meitei mythology. For example, Kounu appears in 24 of the 39 categories. Also merge to respective deities by type, such as Category:Abundance goddesses. –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d c̄ ) 02:50, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Hie, Creator of many of the Categories here. To explain why so many categories were created. I actually created all the "in Meitei mythology" to basically UNCLOUT other categories. Apparently ALL the deities of Meitei mythology are Deities of Everything-and-Its-Neighbour and one of the creator of pages put each and every one (or close to it) in dozens of categories for basically almost every god and goddess. I don't know anything about Meitei Mythology, so I can't tell which god really belong in a category or not (apparently basically all goddesses or close to it are Goddess of Abundance, Beauty, Arts, Fertility, Love and lust, Peace, Magic, among other things...) Though some divinities in each Pantheon can have lots of domains (like Apollo in greek mythology, Sucellos in the celt one), and I can't tell which really belong in each category or not. Still, I note that most don't have anything in the description or a reference that would justify many of the various categories listed (I think one of the rational seems to be that if a goddess is beautiful then she's deemed a goddess of Beauty, Fertility as well as Love and lust, any divinity that is not a warrior is automatically pushed into God/Goddess of Peace and basically all divinities are Fortune ones just by existing, unless linked to something unfortunate...) This caused a bit of a strange situation in the various categories, as for exemple if you went to Category:Abundance goddesses to have a look at the goddesses of this domain, half the goddesses (17 out of 34) were the Meitei Goddesses alone, the other half for ALL the other Pantheons in the world put together... Same with the other categories, 20 out of the 44 pages in Category:Beauty goddesses were the Meitei goddesses, 19 out of the 47 pages of Category:Fortune goddesses, etc. Though when so many categories in a pagebelongs to just one other pantheon, usually creating a child page is preferable. --Zeynel (talk) 07:38, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
 * The consequence of this is that a lot of purging is needed. That can happen simultaneously with the merge. Marcocapelle (talk) 15:22, 8 June 2024 (UTC)

Relisting comment: Category contents were changed without clear explanation. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d c̄ ) 13:25, 21 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Dual merge per LaundryPizza03. Marcocapelle (talk) 03:10, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Merge as per above. Redtigerxyz Talk 03:53, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Dual merge per LaundryPizza03. NLeeuw (talk) 05:56, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
 * No merging. Merging back in each category (like merging Category:Abundance goddesses in Meitei mythology into Category:Abundance goddesses) would turn many of those categories into a "Meitei-goddesses-plus-some" categories. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Zeynel (talk • contribs)
 * Comment Many of these categories have been prematurely emptied by the nominator, Pepperbeast. I'm not sure why they couldn't wait until this had a formal closure before taking action. That's a task for the closer, not the nominator. Liz <sup style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: #006400;">Read! Talk! 20:30, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
 * I didn't "prematurely empty" anything. I did my best to remove excessive categories from articles, which I would do regardless of outcome.  Pepper Beast    (talk)  21:31, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
 * You emptied multiple categories that are currently up for discussion! Why did this action happen now, during this discussion period? It upends any decision made here by the participants and renders this discussion moot. Couldn't you have done this emptying before or after the nomination? Liz <sup style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: #006400;">Read! Talk! 23:18, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
 * I second Liz. Categories should not be emptied out of process. NLeeuw (talk) 16:11, 21 June 2024 (UTC)
 * By the way, why didn't the OP nominate all the subcategories of Category:Meitei gods as well? AHI-3000 (talk) 08:02, 20 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Because OP only has so many spoons.  Pepper Beast    (talk)  02:04, 23 June 2024 (UTC)
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 * I don't know if it matters but the categories that were emptied after this CFD discussion was opened are:
 * Category:Arts goddesses in Meitei mythology
 * Category:Magic goddesses in Meitei mythology
 * Category:Savior goddesses in Meitei mythology
 * Category:Tutelary goddesses in Meitei mythology
 * Category:Pastoral goddesses in Meitei mythology
 * Category:Trickster goddesses in Meitei mythology
 * Category:Knowledge goddesses in Meitei mythology
 * Category:Music and singing goddesses in Meitei mythology
 * Category:Life-death-rebirth goddesses in Meitei mythology
 * Liz <sup style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: #006400;">Read! Talk! 20:54, 22 June 2024 (UTC)


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Category:12th-century Almohad caliphs
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Category:Australian newspaper proprietors
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Auto racing teams
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 * The result of the discussion was: rename (non-admin closure) –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d c̄ ) 00:49, 29 June 2024 (UTC)


 * Propose renaming Category:Auto racing teams in Argentina to Category:Argentine auto racing teams


 * Propose renaming Category:Auto racing teams in Australia to Category:Australian auto racing teams
 * Propose renaming Category:Auto racing teams in Austria to Category:Austrian auto racing teams
 * Propose renaming Category:Auto racing teams in Bahrain to Category:Bahraini auto racing teams
 * Propose renaming Category:Auto racing teams in Belgium to Category:Belgian auto racing teams
 * Propose renaming Category:Auto racing teams in Brazil to Category:Brazilian auto racing teams
 * Propose renaming Category:Auto racing teams in Canada to Category:Canadian auto racing teams
 * Propose renaming Category:Auto racing teams in China to Category:Chinese auto racing teams
 * Propose renaming Category:Auto racing teams in Croatia to Category:Croatian auto racing teams
 * Propose renaming Category:Auto racing teams in Denmark to Category:Danish auto racing teams
 * Propose renaming Category:Auto racing teams in Estonia to Category:Estonian auto racing teams
 * Propose renaming Category:Auto racing teams in Finland to Category:Finnish auto racing teams
 * Propose renaming Category:Auto racing teams in France to Category:French auto racing teams
 * Propose renaming Category:Auto racing teams in Germany to Category:German auto racing teams
 * Propose renaming Category:Auto racing teams in Hong Kong to Category:Hong Kong auto racing teams
 * Propose renaming Category:Auto racing teams in Hungary to Category:Hungarian auto racing teams
 * Propose renaming Category:Auto racing teams in India to Category:Indian auto racing teams
 * Propose renaming Category:Auto racing teams in Ireland to Category:Irish auto racing teams
 * Propose renaming Category:Auto racing teams in Italy to Category:Italian auto racing teams
 * Propose renaming Category:Auto racing teams in Japan to Category:Japanese auto racing teams
 * Propose renaming Category:Auto racing teams in Lithuania to Category:Lithuanian auto racing teams
 * Propose renaming Category:Auto racing teams in Luxembourg to Category:Luxembourgian auto racing teams
 * Propose renaming Category:Auto racing teams in Macau to Category:Macau auto racing teams
 * Propose renaming Category:Auto racing teams in Malaysia to Category:Malaysian auto racing teams
 * Propose renaming Category:Auto racing teams in Mexico to Category:Mexican auto racing teams
 * Propose renaming Category:Auto racing teams in Monaco to Category:Monegasque auto racing teams
 * Propose renaming Category:Auto racing teams in New Zealand to Category:New Zealand auto racing teams
 * Propose renaming Category:Auto racing teams in Portugal to Category:Portuguese auto racing teams
 * Propose renaming Category:Auto racing teams in Qatar to Category:Qatari auto racing teams
 * Propose renaming Category:Auto racing teams in Russia to Category:Russian auto racing teams
 * Propose renaming Category:Auto racing teams in Saudi Arabia to Category:Saudi Arabian auto racing teams
 * Propose renaming Category:Auto racing teams in Serbia to Category:Serbian auto racing teams
 * Propose renaming Category:Auto racing teams in South Africa to Category:South African auto racing teams
 * Propose renaming Category:Auto racing teams in Spain to Category:Spanish auto racing teams
 * Propose renaming Category:Auto racing teams in Sweden to Category:Swedish auto racing teams
 * Propose renaming Category:Auto racing teams in Switzerland to Category:Swiss auto racing teams
 * Propose renaming Category:Auto racing teams in Thailand to Category:Thai auto racing teams
 * Propose renaming Category:Auto racing teams in the Czech Republic to Category:Czech auto racing teams
 * Propose renaming Category:Auto racing teams in the Netherlands to Category:Dutch auto racing teams
 * Propose renaming Category:Auto racing teams in the Philippines to Category:Filipino auto racing teams
 * Propose renaming Category:Auto racing teams in the United Arab Emirates to Category:United Arab Emirates auto racing teams
 * Propose renaming Category:Auto racing teams in the United Kingdom to Category:British auto racing teams
 * Propose renaming Category:Auto racing teams in the United States to Category:American auto racing teams
 * Propose renaming Category:Auto racing teams in Turkey to Category:Turkish auto racing teams

Relisting comment: because I don't want to close a 44-category CfD as "unopposed". Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Queen of Hearts &thinsp;<i style="color:#FF1493;">talk</i> 04:56, 21 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Nominator's rationale: Most of these categories were speedily renamed to their current names from the proposed names in May 2023. Discussions at the Formula One WikiProject and the Motorsport WikiProject resolved that these speedy renames should be reversed because, unlike many other sporting teams, auto racing teams may compete all over the world and their national identity is defined by their racing licence and is not necessarily related to the location of their base of operations. Consider the current Formula One World Champions: Red Bull Racing - they are universally recognised as an Austrian team (they use an Austrian racing licence and when they win a race, the Austrian national anthem is played) but their base of operations is in England. The category rename in May 2023 moved the article from the accurate Category:Austrian auto racing teams to the inaccurate Category:Auto racing teams in Austria. DH85868993 (talk) 11:06, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
 * <p class="xfd_relist" style="margin:0 0 0 -1em;border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 2em;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


 * Support, because at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Motorsport there is apparent consensus for it. Nominator already linked to that discussion. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:46, 21 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Support as per nominator's rationale. SSSB (talk) 14:26, 21 June 2024 (UTC)


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Category:Vassal rulers of the Umayyad Caliphate
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Category:Christian universalists by nationality
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 * The result of the discussion was: revert reparenting. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  12:09, 29 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Propose rescheming christian universalists by nationality
 * Nominator's rationale: Per this conversation, "Universalism" is not a denomination. I am bringing this to CfD per 's suggestion to confirm that others agree that this revision by is inappropriate and should be undone. ―Justin ( koa v f ) ❤T☮C☺M☯ 04:36, 21 June 2024 (UTC)
 * For the record, my request was to get feedback on whether universalism should be parented by denomination or placed in the main category as a philosophy/theory. I never said that the revision from 2016 was inappropriate, I said that was a stable edit. I don't have a strong opinion, on the parent category, but I did want others to weigh in about how it should be categorized. Mason (talk) 04:42, 21 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Sorry if I misrepresented you. ―Justin ( koa v f ) ❤T☮C☺M☯ 09:58, 21 June 2024 (UTC)


 * Revert the re-parenting per nom. Universalism is a theological concept with advocates and opponents but it is not a denomination. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:03, 21 June 2024 (UTC)


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Sixteen Kingdoms Buddhist monks
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 * The result of the discussion was: merge (non-admin closure) –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d c̄ ) 00:58, 29 June 2024 (UTC)


 * Propose merging Category:Former Qin Buddhist monks‎ (2 P) to Category:Sixteen Kingdoms Buddhist monks and Category:Former Qin Buddhists‎
 * Propose merging Category:Later Liang (Sixteen Kingdoms) Buddhist monks‎ (1 P) to Category:Sixteen Kingdoms Buddhist monks and Category:Later Liang (Sixteen Kingdoms) Buddhists
 * Propose merging Category:Later Qin Buddhist monks‎ (2 P) to Category:Sixteen Kingdoms Buddhist monks and Category:Later Qin Buddhists‎
 * Propose merging Category:Later Zhao Buddhist monks‎ (3 P) to Category:Sixteen Kingdoms Buddhist monks and Category:Later Zhao Buddhists‎
 * Nominator's rationale: merge, the Sixteen Kingdoms contains partially parallel and mostly very short-living kingdoms, typically a few decades. No need to categorize Buddhist monks by each of them separately. Marcocapelle (talk) 04:33, 21 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Support per nom. Mason (talk) 13:38, 21 June 2024 (UTC)


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Category:Scottish women embroiderers
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 * The result of the discussion was: merge (non-admin closure) –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d c̄ ) 00:50, 29 June 2024 (UTC)


 * Propose splitting Category:Scottish women embroiderers to Category:Scottish women artists and Category:British embroiderers
 * Nominator's rationale: Dual upmerge. This is a non-defining intersection between the type of textile artist and gender. Mason (talk) 03:18, 21 June 2024 (UTC)


 * Dual merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 04:09, 21 June 2024 (UTC)


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Category:Pretenders to the Mexican throne
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 * The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure) –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d c̄ ) 00:51, 29 June 2024 (UTC)


 * Propose deleting pretenders to the mexican throne
 * Nominator's rationale: WP:OR WP:NPOV WP:BLP (Maximilian von Götzen-Iturbide states: Götzen does not pursue any claim to the throne...Despite Götzen not actively pursuing any claim himself, social media users claiming to be Mexican monarchists have posted their support of his claim., therefore also WP:NONDEFINING). Follow-up to recent deletion of main article Pretenders to the Mexican throne, see Articles for deletion/Pretenders to the throne of Mexico. See also User:Nederlandse Leeuw/Pretenders.
 * Some deceased people in this category also appear to be inappropriately labelled pretenders:
 * Agustín de Iturbide y Green: When he came of age, Iturbide, who had graduated from Georgetown University, renounced his claim to the throne and title and returned to Mexico. So as soon as he was legally capable, he renounced his claim.
 * María Josepha Sophia de Iturbide: [She inhered] the Habsburg claim on the throne. Maria Josepha was a very traditional Lady, and a devout Roman Catholic, and stayed as far away from politics as she could. Doesn't seem to have actively pursued her claim either; seems more like other people expect(ed) her to pursue it for purely genealogical reasons (but WP:NOTGENEALOGY).
 * Carlos Felipe de Habsburgo isn't even in this category, but still included in Template:Pretenders to the Mexican throne (apparently also only purely for genealogical reasons), so I think I'm gonna nominate that for deletion as well. NLeeuw (talk) 07:21, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
 * courtesy ping for follow-up of previous discussion. NLeeuw (talk) 07:23, 12 June 2024 (UTC)

Relisting comment: Associated TfD was closed as delete. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d c̄ ) 01:22, 21 June 2024 (UTC)
 * FYI Templates for discussion/Log/2024 June 12 has also been nominated for deletion. NLeeuw (talk) 07:44, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
 * <p class="xfd_relist" style="margin:0 0 0 -1em;border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 2em;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


 * Delete per nom. We would not want to have Category:People who are claimed to have claimed the Mexican throne but who did not really claim it. Marcocapelle (talk) 04:14, 21 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom and Marco. (Lol, I hope no one ever makes that category, but I do love vibe the name gives) Mason (talk) 04:46, 21 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Haha Marco wins the Internet today! NLeeuw (talk) 16:13, 21 June 2024 (UTC)
 * FYI the result of the template discussion was Delete as well: Templates for discussion/Log/2024 June 12. NLeeuw (talk) 16:14, 21 June 2024 (UTC)


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Category:Whitewashing in film
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Category:Defunct Catholic schools in Louisville, Kentucky
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 * The result of the discussion was: merge (non-admin closure) –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d c̄ ) 00:51, 29 June 2024 (UTC)


 * Propose splitting Category:Defunct Catholic schools in Louisville, Kentucky to Category:Defunct schools in Louisville, Kentucky and Category:Catholic schools in Louisville, Kentucky
 * Nominator's rationale: Dual merge. There's only one page in here, and no other city (or state) level categories in Defunct Catholic schools in the United States Mason (talk) 01:00, 21 June 2024 (UTC)


 * Split as proposed. This seems eminently reasonable, and I have no idea why I saw the necessity for this category nearly 18 years ago. Stefen Towers among the rest!   Gab • Gruntwerk 02:12, 21 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Oh wait, there probably used to be more entries at some point that ended up being deleted. That's my guess. Stefen Towers among the rest!   Gab • Gruntwerk 02:13, 21 June 2024 (UTC)
 * That's probably what happened. There's definitely been changes to how notability for schools should be handled, so its totally reasonable that it made sense at the time. Mason (talk) 04:44, 21 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Dual merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 04:16, 21 June 2024 (UTC)


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