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Category:Cabinets of Canadian provinces and territories navigational boxes

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename as nominated. House Blaster  (talk · he/they) 01:29, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Cabinets of Alberta to Category:Cabinets of Alberta navigational boxes
 * Propose renaming Category:Cabinets of Manitoba to Category:Cabinets of Manitoba navigational boxes
 * Propose renaming Category:Cabinets of New Brunswick to Category:Cabinets of New Brunswick navigational boxes
 * Propose renaming Category:Cabinets of Newfoundland and Labrador to Category:Cabinets of Newfoundland and Labrador navigational boxes
 * Propose renaming Category:Cabinets of Nova Scotia to Category:Cabinets of Nova Scotia navigational boxes
 * Propose renaming Category:Cabinets of Ontario to Category:Cabinets of Ontario navigational boxes
 * Propose renaming Category:Cabinets of Prince Edward Island to Category:Cabinets of Prince Edward Island navigational boxes
 * Propose renaming Category:Cabinets of Quebec to Category:Cabinets of Quebec navigational boxes
 * Propose renaming Category:Cabinets of Saskatchewan to Category:Cabinets of Saskatchewan navigational boxes
 * Nominator's rationale: All of these categories are navbox categories, and should be named accordingly. RedBlueGreen93 20:35, 24 June 2024 (UTC)


 * Support per nom. Jweiss11 (talk) 20:56, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Rename per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:12, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Support per nom. -- Lenticel ( talk ) 09:02, 25 June 2024 (UTC)


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Category:John Marshall Law School (Chicago) faculty

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename to Category:University of Illinois Chicago School of Law faculty. House Blaster  (talk · he/they) 01:33, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:John Marshall Law School (Chicago) faculty to Category:University of Illinois Chicago School of Law faculty
 * Nominator's rationale: The school was renamed and the corresponding alumni category was moved to Category:University of Illinois Chicago School of Law alumni. This should follow suit. Dennis C. Abrams (talk) 20:20, 24 June 2024 (UTC)


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Category:Fictional children by occupation

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge to Category:Fictional children. House Blaster  (talk · he/they) 01:32, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Fictional children by occupation to Category:Fictional children
 * Nominator's rationale: Nominating this again, this time for merge. Right now it is a WP:NARROWCAT with only two subcategories. It might need to be dual merged, but either way it is clearly unnecessary with so few subcategories ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 13:14, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Oppose, didn't we go through this same thing before? And there were more categories in here before. AHI-3000 (talk) 18:30, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
 * There is no need to be rude and hostile, and most of the subcategories were removed for being blatantly incorrect so it's a different situation than last time. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 20:50, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Merge The old nomination was Categories_for_discussion/Log/2023_December_18. And now there are four subcategories. The only contents at the time of this nomination were Category:Fictional child prostitutes and Category:Fictional child soldiers; the other two, I thought we agreed to remove (alogn with two others) at the end of the last CfD. –LaundryPizza<b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d c̄ ) 22:10, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Yes, they were re-added post nomination, but consensus agreed they did not belong in this category. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 23:10, 12 June 2024 (UTC)

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 * Merge, redundant category layers with only two subcategories. I am discounting the two subcategories that were purged after the previous discussion as they do not belong here. Marcocapelle (talk) 23:11, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
 * @Dimadick: What do you think about this? AHI-3000 (talk) 11:53, 18 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Oppose There is scope for expansion. On the topic of prostitutes, illegal occupations are still occupations. Dimadick (talk) 12:20, 18 June 2024 (UTC)
 * That was in the category at the time of the nomination, and still is. –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d c̄ ) 01:10, 21 June 2024 (UTC)
 * <p class="xfd_relist" style="margin:0 0 0 -1em;border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 2em;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * AHI-3000, please stop edit warring on this matter. Do not repeatedly add members to the category that were purged as a result of the CfD discussion.<span id="Qwerfjkl:1719249803403:WikipediaFTTCLNCategories_for_discussion/Log/2024_June_24" class="FTTCmt"> — Qwerfjkl  talk  17:23, 24 June 2024 (UTC)


 * I do not agree there is scope for expansion. We have two subcategories here because Child prostitution and Children in the military are notable topics. I can't imagine any others for which this applies. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:17, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Merge as proposed. I can't see any real scope for expansion beyond, say, Victorian children who were forced to work in mines or as chimney sweeps. Even so, I doubt if there would ever be enough subjects in each "occupation" to create anything more than a small category. PearlyGigs (talk) 08:25, 26 June 2024 (UTC)


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Category:Kenyon Owls
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 * The result of the discussion was: rename. House Blaster  (talk · he/they) 01:33, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Kenyon Lords and Ladies to Category:Kenyon Owls
 * Propose renaming Category:Kenyon Lords and Ladies athletes to Category:Kenyon Owls athletes
 * Propose renaming Category:Kenyon Lords and Ladies athletic directors to Category:Kenyon Owls athletic directors
 * Propose renaming Category:Kenyon Lords baseball to Category:Kenyon Owls baseball
 * Propose renaming Category:Kenyon Lords baseball coaches to Category:Kenyon Owls baseball coaches
 * Propose renaming Category:Kenyon Lords baseball players to Category:Kenyon Owls baseball players
 * Propose renaming Category:Kenyon Lords basketball to Category:Kenyon Owls men's basketball
 * Propose renaming Category:Kenyon Lords basketball coaches to Category:Kenyon Owls men's basketball coaches
 * Propose renaming Category:Kenyon Lords basketball players to Category:Kenyon Owls men's basketball players
 * Propose renaming Category:Kenyon Lords football to Category:Kenyon Owls football
 * Propose renaming Category:Kenyon Lords football coaches to Category:Kenyon Owls football coaches
 * Propose renaming Category:Kenyon Lords football players to Category:Kenyon Owls football players
 * Propose renaming Category:Kenyon Lords football seasons to Category:Kenyon Owls football seasons
 * Propose renaming Category:Kenyon Lords soccer to Category:Kenyon Owls men's soccer
 * Propose renaming Category:Kenyon Lords soccer coaches to Category:Kenyon Owls men's soccer coaches
 * Propose renaming Category:Kenyon Lords and Ladies swimming and diving to Category:Kenyon Owls swimming and diving
 * Propose renaming Category:Kenyon Ladies swimmers to Category:Kenyon Owls women's swimmers


 * Nominator's rationale: Kenyon College changed its fight name from Lords and Ladies to Owls in 2022. See here and here.  Jweiss11 (talk) 17:11, 24 June 2024 (UTC)


 * Support: per nomination. Thetreesarespeakingtome (talk) 19:32, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Support per nom -- Lenticel ( talk ) 09:02, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Support. Necessary changes. PearlyGigs (talk) 09:38, 25 June 2024 (UTC)


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Category:Mansas of Mali
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Relisting comment: Alt rename or as per nom? Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Qwerfjkl  talk  17:07, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
 * The result of the discussion was: rename to Category:Mansas of the Mali Empire. House Blaster  (talk · he/they) 01:34, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Mansas of Mali to Category:Mansas of the Mali Empire
 * Nominator's rationale: rename as more accurate, this is not about the modern republic of Mali. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:15, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Support per nom. The modern country of Mali gained independence in 1960. Alternatively Category:Mansas, as the title Mansa is used only for the Mali Empire. –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d c̄ ) 03:04, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
 * <p class="xfd_relist" style="margin:0 0 0 -1em;border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 2em;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


 * Just Category:Mansas is fine with me as well. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:21, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Support renaming as Category:Mansas of the Mali Empire, not as Category:Mansas. I think we need to mention the Mali Empire to provide the readers with that extra bit of information. Someone seeing Mansas might easily think it is about something else entirely, like Manassas. PearlyGigs (talk) 09:36, 25 June 2024 (UTC)


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Template:CartoonNetwork-stub
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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. House Blaster  (talk · he/they) 01:35, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting


 * Nominator's rationale: Template no longer needed. After the discussion at Categories for discussion/Log/2024 June 1 resulted in its dedicated category being deleted as underpopulated, the uses of this template were purged for whether they needed to be filed directly in or not, and it turned out that every article with this on it either didn't belong in that category at all or was simply redundant to the page already being in the  subcategory, meaning it's now been completely stripped from articlespace and is now in use only on a single ten-year-old user sandbox page that's still completely unreferenced for the purposes of becoming salvageable as an article. Essentially, without a dedicated category this is just redundant to other templates, because any possible use of it would now just result in duplicate categorization of the page in both  and one of its subcategories at the same time. Bearcat (talk) 13:21, 24 June 2024 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:23, 24 June 2024 (UTC)


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Category:Former Premier League clubs
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Category:12th-century Arab historians
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Category:National military histories by war
Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 July 2%23Category:National military histories by war

Category:Northwest Community College Conference football standings templates
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 * The result of the discussion was: rename to Category:Northwest Athletic Association of Community Colleges football standings templates. House Blaster  (talk · he/they) 01:39, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Northwest Community College Conference football standings templates to Category:Northwest Athletic Association of Community Colleges football standings templates
 * Nominator's rationale: The Northwest Athletic Conference sponsored football through the 1989 season when the league was known as the "Northwest Athletic Association of Community Colleges". Jweiss11 (talk) 03:46, 24 June 2024 (UTC)


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Category:Defunct off-price department stores of the United States
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Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d c̄ ) 03:01, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
 * The result of the discussion was: merge. House Blaster  (talk · he/they) 01:38, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Defunct off-price department stores of the United States to Category:Defunct department stores of the United States and Category:Defunct discount stores of the United States
 * Propose merging Category:Off-price department stores of the United States to Category:Department stores of the United States and Category:Discount stores of the United States
 * Nominator's rationale: Non-defining category Mason (talk) 13:30, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
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Category:History of Great Britain
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 * The result of the discussion was: Delete * Pppery * <sub style="color:#800000">it has begun... 01:25, 9 July 2024 (UTC)
 * history of great britain
 * Nominator's rationale: Option A: remove header and a remove a number of parent categories. Option B: nominate subcategories for merger. In any case, the current content of the category is completely out of sync with how the category creator(s) intended. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:23, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
 * @Marcocapelle, please clarify the issue with this particular category. I don't really follow. Omnis Scientia (talk) 00:45, 28 May 2024 (UTC)
 * it contains articles like Britain in the Middle Ages and Anatomy of a Nation. A History of British Identity in 50 Documents, and a huge tree under Category:History of Great Britain by period while it's supposed to be about the 18th century. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:43, 28 May 2024 (UTC)
 * @Marcocapelle, Ah I see that now. Well I would go with Option B, removing any subcategories which aren't related to the period between 1707 and 1801. And also the removal of any article that does not fall between 1707 and 1801. We should try to bring it back into sync with the original purpose it was created for. Omnis Scientia (talk) 09:06, 28 May 2024 (UTC)
 * One big problem with keeping the original intended scope is: what is Category:Kingdom of Great Britain for if not the history of the Kingdom of Great Britain? It's not as if that entity still exists. Ham II (talk) 16:39, 3 June 2024 (UTC)

Relisting comment: Thoughts on deletion? Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, House Blaster  (talk · he/him) 02:58, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Just Delete & re-home articles as necessary. The period of the Kingdom of Great Britain - from 1707 to 1800, is not really used by historians or the public. If kept it should be more clearly named to avoid confusion with the (main) geographical meaning of Great Britain, which has clearly been taken by some adders as the intended meaning. In fact such a category might make more sense, at the top of trees with UK, English, Scottish & Welsh sub-cats. Johnbod (talk) 01:26, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
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Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Qwerfjkl  talk  15:51, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
 * I'm leaning towards Option A, in order to make the scope fully about the geographical area Great Britain and not the former sovereign state the Kingdom of Great Britain. Anything about the history of the latter – Category:Politics of the Kingdom of Great Britain, probably Category:Colonial United States (British), etc. – should be at Category:Kingdom of Great Britain, currently a parent category to this one. A new header stating this might be necessary, because the distinction isn't obvious (which seems to have led to the current situation). Ham II (talk) 13:43, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
 * The new header I'm proposing could be based on the existing one at Category:Great Britain. Ham II (talk) 14:51, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
 * <p class="xfd_relist" style="margin:0 0 0 -1em;border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 2em;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d c̄ ) 01:47, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Just Delete & re-home articles as necessary per Johnbod and WP:ARBITRARYCAT / WP:SHAREDNAME. As Ham II pointed out, we've already got Category:Kingdom of Great Britain. I don't see the point of a separate tree for the island of Great Britain if everything is already in Category:History of the United Kingdom, Category:Kingdom of Great Britain and other subcategories and subtrees. NLeeuw (talk) 17:32, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
 * <p class="xfd_relist" style="margin:0 0 0 -1em;border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 2em;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


 * Delete. I think the title is the problem here. It's ambiguous given that the Kingdom of Great Britain did exist. There are articles in the category which do not belong — for example, the Hampden Clubs were 19th century. We need to carefully recategorise each member and then delete this. I agree with NLeeuw that we should use Category:History of the United Kingdom, Category:Kingdom of Great Britain, etc. PearlyGigs (talk) 06:32, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Comments. 1. As the nominator, I do not oppose deletion. However, deletion should be implemented as manual merge to Kingdom of Great Britain. 2. Deletion of this category moves the problem to Category:History of Great Britain by period. We should discuss that next, including subcategories, if this category is deleted. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:09, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
 * I agree. Ultimately, the problems will snowball into a review of as a whole. That category includes, for example, Integration of Normandy into the royal domain of the Kingdom of France (in 911). The eventual solution might have to be strictly historical, keeping England to 1707 and Scotland to 1707 separate from all GB or UK coverage and commencing UK history with Acts of Union 1800. PearlyGigs (talk) 08:53, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Great Britain, if it's taken to refer to the island and not the Kingdom of Great Britain (and note the titles and scope of those articles), isn't an anachronistic term for any period, whereas United Kingdom is generally understood to be anachronistic for periods before 1801. England and Scotland are still current; Kingdom of England and Kingdom of Scotland are not. Ham II (talk) 10:49, 26 June 2024 (UTC)


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Category:Beauty pageant controversies
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