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Category:American expatriate baseball players in Canada

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 * The result of the discussion was: Keep * Pppery * it has begun... 01:26, 9 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting american expatriate baseball players in canada
 * Nominator's rationale: What constitutes an expatriate? Is it someone who moves to another country, or works there? If the latter, how long and/or often do they need to work there? Is his permanent residence relevant? An American who plays for a Canadian team plays at most half his team's games in Canada, with the rest in the United States. As for a Canadian on a Canadian team, he will similarly play half his team's games in Canada, but now he plays the other half in the United States - does that make him an expatriate Canadian in the United States while he is a member of a Canadian team? And does this player's permanent residence matter?

Further: - is this status permanent, or does it end when the player stops playing for the related team? - when does this status take effect? does an American on an American team who plays say six games on the road in Toronto in a season qualify? - this category title just says "...players in Canada". Should it specify players who live in Canada, or who play/work in Canada, etc?

There are endless similar categories in multiple sports featuring multiple countries that could be affected, but let's start here. Is this even a defining characteristic? Baseball players can be defined by their hometowns, their position(s) played, the team(s) for which they played, etc, but does this expat category even serve a meaningful purpose? There are ~2400 players in this category, including people like Butch Alberts, who played his entire six game career for the Blue Jays (3 in Canada, 3 on the road in the United States, for what it's worth) in 1978. Should he qualify for this category and why? Echoedmyron (talk) 22:16, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Leaning support, it does not seem to be a defining characteristic, in contrast to "emigrant". Marcocapelle (talk) 06:09, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
 * I would say "weak oppose"; this is part of a very large tree of Category:Expatriate baseball players, as well as many other sports. I would also inform WP: Baseball about this nomination. Omnis Scientia (talk) 13:04, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Keep unless the larger expatriate category is addressed. As to the original question, "What constitutes an expatriate?", the article Expatriate can be consulted to answer that one.--User:Namiba 17:50, 27 June 2024 (UTC)


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Category:Music pedagogues by instrument

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 * The result of the discussion was: Rename * Pppery * it has begun... 01:26, 9 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Music pedagogues by instrument to Category:Music educators by instrument
 * Propose renaming Category:Cello pedagogues to Category:Cello educators
 * Propose renaming Category:Drum pedagogues to Category:Drum educators
 * Propose renaming Category:Guqin pedagogues to Category:Guqin educators
 * Propose renaming Category:Piano pedagogues to Category:Piano educators
 * Propose renaming Category:American piano pedagogues to Category:American piano educators
 * Propose renaming Category:British piano pedagogues to Category:British piano educators
 * Propose renaming Category:French piano pedagogues to Category:French piano educators
 * Propose renaming Category:German piano pedagogues to Category:German piano educators
 * Propose renaming Category:Viola pedagogues to Category:Viola educators
 * Propose renaming Category:Violin pedagogues to Category:Violin educators
 * Nominator's rationale: These categories are the only in the Category:Music educators tree which don't use "educators". The terms "music pedagogue" and "music pedagogy" both redirect to music education, the main topic for this category, and that article uses "pedagogy" just 17 times ("pedagogue" gets zero) while "education" appears 220 times and "educator" 31. Unsurprising, as "pedagogy" is a less common academic term, at least in my experience. All reasons for which I think it would make more sense to make this change. QuietHere (talk &#124; contributions) 21:51, 26 June 2024 (UTC)


 * Support per nom. House Blaster  (talk · he/they) 00:15, 4 July 2024 (UTC)


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Category:United Kingdom history book stubs

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename to Category:British history book stubs. House Blaster  (talk · he/they) 23:48, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:United Kingdom history book stubs to Category:British history book stubs
 * Nominator's rationale: Consistency with Category:German history book stubs and also with its own sisters Category:British battle stubs and Category:British election stubs‎. Using UK as the nationality is incorrect. PearlyGigs (talk) 21:10, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Support. --Fadesga (talk) 21:12, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
 * rename per nom Jothefiredragon🐲talk🐉edits 13:52, 30 June 2024 (UTC)


 * Rename per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:12, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Rename per nom. Ham II (talk) 21:19, 27 June 2024 (UTC)


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Category:Phobias
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Category:1st-century bishops of Carthage

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge House Blaster  (talk · he/they) 00:06, 4 July 2024 (UTC)


 * Propose merging Category:1st-century bishops of Carthage to Category:Bishops of Carthage and Category:1st-century bishops in the Roman Empire
 * Nominator's rationale: merge, only one article in the category which is not helpful for navigation between articles. Besides it is not certain whether the subject of the only article was a bishop of Carthage or Cartagena. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:06, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Merge per rationale. OhHaiMark (talk) 15:56, 2 July 2024 (UTC)


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Category:Battles during Roman Civil wars

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. House Blaster  (talk · he/they) 00:04, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting battles during roman civil wars
 * Nominator's rationale: Category:Battles, Category:Civil wars and Category:Roman civil wars not subcategorized this way. Gjs238 (talk) 16:50, 26 June 2024 (UTC)


 * Delete, these are unrelated battles of very different civil wars. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:11, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Delete. An unnecessary attempt to put all the eggs in one basket, it would seem. With Rome, that doesn't work because Roman history must be considered phase by phase. PearlyGigs (talk) 23:04, 27 June 2024 (UTC)


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Northern and Southern dynasties Buddhist monks

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Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Qwerfjkl  talk  16:31, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
 * The result of the discussion was: merge. House Blaster  (talk · he/they) 00:04, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Chen dynasty Buddhist monks‎ to Category:Northern and Southern dynasties Buddhist monks and Category:Chen dynasty Buddhists
 * Propose merging Category:Liang dynasty Buddhist monks‎ to Category:Northern and Southern dynasties Buddhist monks and Category:Liang dynasty Buddhists‎
 * Propose merging Category:Liu Song Buddhist monks‎ to Category:Northern and Southern dynasties Buddhist monks and Category:Liu Song Buddhists‎
 * Propose merging Category:Northern Qi Buddhist monks‎ to Category:Northern and Southern dynasties Buddhist monks and Category:Northern Qi Buddhists‎
 * Propose merging Category:Northern Wei Buddhist monks‎ to Category:Northern and Southern dynasties Buddhist monks and Category:Northern Wei Buddhists‎
 * Propose merging Category:Northern Zhou Buddhist monks‎ to Category:Northern and Southern dynasties Buddhist monks and Category:Northern Zhou Buddhists‎
 * Propose merging Category:Southern Qi Buddhist monks‎ to Category:Northern and Southern dynasties Buddhist monks and Category:Southern Qi Buddhists‎
 * Nominator's rationale: merge, narrow intersection between very short-living dynasties (typically a few decades) and religion and occupation. Marcocapelle (talk) 04:51, 18 June 2024 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


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Category:Prague-West geography stubs
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 * The result of the discussion was: merge to Category:Central Bohemian Region geography stubs. House Blaster  (talk · he/they) 00:01, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting prague-west geography stubs
 * Nominator's rationale: Upmerge with template into parent . This and the nomination above fail to reach a reasonable number of stubs (around 60 is the usual cut-off). Not understubbed as far as I can tell. Note: if kept, it should be renamed to prague-west district geography stubs.Grutness... wha?   06:57, 18 June 2024 (UTC)
 * pinging. Grutness... wha?   06:59, 18 June 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Mělník geography stubs
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 * The result of the discussion was: merge to Category:Central Bohemian Region geography stubs. House Blaster  (talk · he/they) 23:59, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting mělník geography stubs
 * Nominator's rationale: Upmerge with template into parent . This and the nomination below fail to reach a reasonable number of stubs (around 60 is the usual cut-off). Not understubbed as far as I can tell. Note: if kept, it should be renamed to mělník district geography stubs. Grutness... wha?   06:57, 18 June 2024 (UTC)
 * pinging. Grutness... wha?   06:59, 18 June 2024 (UTC)
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Category:British co-ed groups
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Category:Checkmat
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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. House Blaster  (talk · he/they) 23:58, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting checkmat
 * Nominator's rationale: Category:Brazilian jiu-jitsu training facilities not subcategorized by individual jiu-jitsu academies. Gjs238 (talk) 16:05, 26 June 2024 (UTC)


 * Delete, the first four articles are already directly interlinked and the 5th article is not really related. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:16, 26 June 2024 (UTC)


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Category:Dream Art
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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. House Blaster  (talk · he/they) 23:58, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting dream art
 * Nominator's rationale: Category:Brazilian jiu-jitsu training facilities not subcategorized by individual jiu-jitsu academies. Gjs238 (talk) 16:03, 26 June 2024 (UTC)


 * Delete, the first two articles are already directly interlinked and the 3rd article is not really related. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:18, 26 June 2024 (UTC)


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Category:3rd century in Africa (Roman province)
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Category:Articles unintentionally citing retracted publications
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 * The result of the discussion was: rename. (non-admin closure) –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d  c̄ ) 22:26, 7 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Articles unintentionally citing retracted publications to Category:Articles citing retracted publications
 * Propose renaming Category:Articles citing retracted publications to Category:Articles intentionally citing retracted publications
 * Propose renaming Category:Articles unintentionally citing publications with expressions of concern to Category:Articles citing publications with expressions of concern
 * Propose renaming Category:Articles citing publications with expressions of concern to Category:Articles intentionally citing publications with expressions of concern
 * Propose renaming Category:Articles unintentionally citing publications with errata to Category:Articles citing publications with errata
 * Propose renaming Category:Articles citing publications with errata to Category:Articles intentionally citing publications with errata
 * Nominator's rationale: Follow-up from Previous Cfd. However, all these templates are linked, so keeping the convention constant will be ideal. For context,  is added by bots and humans, so we should not be assuming that a retraction is used unintentially just because it is tagged. Moving the "default" categories to the neutral names, and moving the "checked"/"intentional" to subcategories seems like a better way to do this. Mdann52 (talk) 06:09, 26 June 2024 (UTC)


 * Support per nom. Noting for the record that Mdann52 left all the participants at the previous discussion a note at their talk pages (thank you!); this is certainly within WP:APPNOTE. House Blaster  (talk · he/they) 21:07, 26 June 2024 (UTC)


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Category:School fire disasters
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 * The result of the discussion was: manual merge to Category:School fires. House Blaster  (talk · he/they) 23:56, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:School fire disasters to Category:School fires
 * Nominator's rationale: Superfluous/unclear distinction between these two categories; a fire is, by definition, a disaster ForsythiaJo (talk) 02:36, 26 June 2024 (UTC)


 * Manually merge, the header specifies "that caused loss of life" but most notable school fires have caused loss of life. The merge should be done manually because a number of articles are already in e.g. Category:School fires in the United States. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:54, 26 June 2024 (UTC)


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Category:Related to Ulterior Motives
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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. House Blaster  (talk · he/they) 23:55, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting related to ulterior motives
 * Nominator's rationale: We don't create categories for "related" topics Skyshifter   talk  00:25, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Delete i don’t care anymore just delete it Kierandude (talk) 17:03, 28 June 2024 (UTC)


 * Delete per WP:OCASSOC. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:55, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Delete as per proposer and Marcocapelle. <span style="white-space:nowrap;text-shadow:#4682B4 0.1em 0.1em 1.5em,#4682B4 -0.1em -0.1em 1.5em;color:#000000"><i style="color:#999900">Cambial </i>— <b style="color:#218000">foliar❧</b> 13:22, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Delete - per proposer and the unlikeliness of such categories to exist. Xeroctic (talk) 18:17, 26 June 2024 (UTC)


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Category:Old style serif typefaces
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Category:Women conservationists
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 * The result of the discussion was: merge to Category:Conservationists. House Blaster  (talk · he/they) 23:54, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting women conservationists
 * Propose deleting papua new guinean women conservationists
 * Nominator's rationale: A non-notable intersection of gender and occupation. User:Namiba 14:22, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Sort the rules out Wikipedia's policy on this is far from clear. Category deletion should be based on a clearly agreed set of rules and until then such categories should be left alone. Why is a "Female United States senators" category OK when "women conservationists" is not. I can assure you that to become a conservationist in PNG is for a women in PNG a considerable achievement and far from "non-notable". Roundtheworld (talk) 20:32, 27 May 2024 (UTC)

Relisting comment: Thoughts on merging? Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, House Blaster  (talk · he/they) 16:21, 8 June 2024 (UTC) Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, House Blaster  (talk · he/they) 00:22, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
 *  Delete Merge, trivial intersection with gender. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:53, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Merge. Shouldn't these be merged to Conservationists? These women are still conservationists. Mason (talk) 19:51, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Fair point. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:45, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
 * So Female American Senators should be merged with Senators? Roundtheworld (talk) 10:16, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
 * If they would be merged, probably not to Category:United States senators because all articles are already in the tree of Category:United States senators by state. But here not all articles are in the tree of Category:Conservationists by nationality yet. Marcocapelle (talk) 14:45, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
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 * Merge per above discussion. Omnis Scientia (talk) 08:23, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Merge both into which already holds several articles about women. It's a separate task but we need to expand  so that Conservationists becomes a container category. PearlyGigs (talk) 21:29, 26 June 2024 (UTC)


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