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Category:Churches in Kazakhstan by location

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge/delete as nominated. (non-admin closure) House Blaster  (talk · he/they) 01:31, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting churches in kazakhstan by location
 * Propose merging Category:Churches in Kazakhstan by region to Category:Churches in Kazakhstan
 * Nominator's rationale: Multiple redundant layers Mason (talk) 23:58, 5 June 2024 (UTC)


 * Merge, redundant category layers with one subcategory each. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:38, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Merge per nom. NLeeuw (talk) 06:33, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Merge Georgethedragonslayer (talk) 10:13, 6 June 2024 (UTC)


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Category:Academic staff of the Technical University of Berlin

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename (non-admin closure) House Blaster  (talk · he/they) 01:32, 13 June 2024 (UTC)


 * Propose renaming Category:Academic staff of the Technical University of Berlin to Category:Academic staff of Technische Universität Berlin
 * Nominator's rationale: The main category was already renamed (Technical University of Berlin is a misnomer and a mistranslation) SFBB (talk) 23:46, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Speedy rename WP:C2D. NLeeuw (talk) 06:35, 6 June 2024 (UTC)


 * Rename and redirect. – Fayenatic  L ondon 09:14, 7 June 2024 (UTC)


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Category:Technical University of Berlin alumni

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename (non-admin closure) House Blaster  (talk · he/they) 01:32, 13 June 2024 (UTC)


 * Propose renaming Category:Technical University of Berlin alumni to Category:Technische Universität Berlin alumni
 * Nominator's rationale: the main article was already renamed SFBB (talk) 23:44, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
 * I think you forgot the stubs to the rename. And I think that these could be speedied. Mason (talk) 23:57, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Speedy rename WP:C2D. NLeeuw (talk) 06:35, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Note: I had made a blooper with the rename request. Just corrected it. SFBB (talk) 21:28, 6 June 2024 (UTC)


 * Rename and redirect. – Fayenatic  L ondon 09:15, 7 June 2024 (UTC)


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Category:Technical University of Berlin

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename (non-admin closure) House Blaster  (talk · he/they) 01:32, 13 June 2024 (UTC)


 * Propose renaming Category:Technical University of Berlin to Category:Technische Universität Berlin
 * Nominator's rationale: Main article was already renamed SFBB (talk) 23:42, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Speedy rename WP:C2D. NLeeuw (talk) 06:34, 6 June 2024 (UTC)


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Category:Fraternities and sororities based in Indianapolis

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge (non-admin closure) House Blaster  (talk · he/they) 01:32, 13 June 2024 (UTC)


 * Propose deleting  merging Category:Fraternities and sororities based in Indianapolis to Category:Fraternities and sororities in the United States
 * Nominator's rationale: Delete Merge; as far as I can see, there are no other "by state" categories for fraternities and sororities and, from my understanding, these can have multiple chapters in multiple states. Updated: I realized merging is the better option than outright deleting the category.Omnis Scientia (talk) 23:36, 5 June 2024 (UTC)


 * Merge per nom. Hardly any originates from Indianapolis. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:44, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Merge As a member of WP Fraternities and Sororities, I find this oddly specific and not needed. Rublamb (talk) 08:11, 12 June 2024 (UTC)


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Category:Oratorio and passion librettists by nationality

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge (non-admin closure) House Blaster  (talk · he/they) 01:33, 13 June 2024 (UTC)


 * Propose merging Category:Oratorio and passion librettists by nationality to Category:Oratorio and passion librettists
 * Propose merging Category:Operetta librettists by nationality to Category:Operetta librettists
 * Nominator's rationale: Upmerge for now. There's no need to have this category with only one (or two) nationalities in it, when the parent categories are very empty. Mason (talk) 22:48, 5 June 2024 (UTC)


 * Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:46, 6 June 2024 (UTC)


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Category:Violence in the Palestinian territories
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Category:Mistresses of Charles Edward Stuart

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge to Category:Mistresses of British royalty. (non-admin closure) House Blaster  (talk · he/they) 01:33, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting mistresses of charles edward stuart
 * Nominator's rationale: Delete; only two articles. Also, I don't think this fits with "British royalty" since Charles Edward Stewart was born well after his grandfather was dethroned. Omnis Scientia (talk) 19:38, 5 June 2024 (UTC)


 * Support per nom, though I would not oppose merging to Category:Mistresses of British royalty either. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:45, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
 * @Marcocapelle, after delving into further categories, I agree that the right course would be merge with Category:Mistresses of British royalty. Omnis Scientia (talk) 10:17, 6 June 2024 (UTC)


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Category:Universities in West Africa

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure) House Blaster  (talk · he/they) 01:34, 13 June 2024 (UTC)


 * Propose deleting universities in west africa
 * Nominator's rationale: Category:Universities and colleges in Africa not categorized this way. Gjs238 (talk) 14:27, 5 June 2024 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom. All are already in Category:Universities and colleges in Africa by country; there is no need for an arbitrary regional cat tree. NLeeuw (talk) 19:16, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. Besides currently it almost entirely overlaps with Category:Universities in Ghana. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:48, 5 June 2024 (UTC)


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Category:Battles in Bohemia

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure) House Blaster  (talk · he/they) 01:34, 13 June 2024 (UTC)


 * Propose deleting battles in bohemia
 * Nominator's rationale: WP:MILMOS. Follow-up to Categories for discussion/Log/2024 May 3, and in 2021 Categories for discussion/Log/2021 April 13. All items are already in Category:Battles of the Austro-Prussian War (which might be worth putting in Category:Military history of the Czech Republic?) or Category:Battles involving Bohemia, more specifically Category:Battles of the Hussite Wars. NLeeuw (talk) 12:56, 5 June 2024 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:50, 5 June 2024 (UTC)


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Category:Sport in the Middle East

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge/rename as nominated. (non-admin closure) House Blaster  (talk · he/they) 01:40, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Sport in the Middle East to Category:Sport in West Asia
 * Propose renaming Category:Motorsport in the Middle East to Category:Motorsport in West Asia
 * Propose renaming Category:Sports mass media in the Middle East to Category:Sports mass media in West Asia
 * Propose renaming Category:Association football in the Middle East to Category:Association football in West Asia
 * Propose renaming Category:International association football competitions in the Middle East to Category:International association football competitions in West Asia
 * Propose renaming Category:International association football competitions in the Middle East by host to Category:International association football competitions in West Asia by host
 * Nominator's rationale: West Asia and the Middle East largely overlap, so we do not need both categories. We already have categories for South Asia, Central Asia, East Asia, and Southeast Asia. Therefore, it makes more sense to keep the West Asia category and eliminate the "Middle East" category. This would align better with the existing geographic categorization. Aldij (talk) 08:59, 5 June 2024 (UTC)


 * Support per nom. NLeeuw (talk) 19:17, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Merge Category:Sport in the Middle East to Category:Sport in West Asia or reverse merge, Middle East and West Asia are almost entirely overlapping concepts. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:53, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Merge all per nomination; however, I recommend keeping a category redirect so that HotCat and bot edits can assist editors still adding these categories because "Middle East" would still be a term that is commonly used. -2pou (talk) 17:21, 10 June 2024 (UTC)


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Category:American promotions teams and stables

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename (non-admin closure) House Blaster  (talk · he/they) 01:42, 13 June 2024 (UTC)


 * Propose renaming Category:American promotions teams and stables to Category:American professional wrestling teams and stables by promotion
 * Nominator's rationale: Current title looks a little odd in my opinion. ★Trekker (talk) 07:33, 5 June 2024 (UTC)


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Category:Ancient culture of Pakistan

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure) House Blaster  (talk · he/they) 01:34, 13 June 2024 (UTC)


 * Propose deleting ancient culture of pakistan
 * Nominator's rationale: delete, no other modern countries have a category like this, and the two articles are also quite unconnected. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:38, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Delete Unlike such categories as Category:Prehistoric Pakistan, this is anachronistic on principle. We categorize ancient culture by culture or region, not by modern-day countries. Neither article even belongs — one article is a historical era, and the other is a site dated to the early modern period. They are already in other subcategories of the applicable parents. –LaundryPizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d c̄ ) 06:49, 5 June 2024 (UTC)


 * Weak delete, given that we've also got Category:Ancient Indian culture but no Ancient Indian culture or Ancient culture of India, even if there is an WP:UNSOURCED Outline of ancient India and a Music in ancient India. If we were to broaden the scope to Indian subcontinent, as Ancient scripts of the Indian subcontinent does, for example, this could reasonably included "ancient Pakistan" without too narrowly referring to "India", suggesting we only mean the territory of the modern Republic of India, but "sneakily" including Pakistan, Sri Lanka, Nepal, Bangladesh etc. in that definition. Science and technology in ancient India redirects to History of science and technology on the Indian subcontinent, so I'm not the first to suggest such a broadening. Then again, that has to be discussed largely within the article space before the category space can follow suit. NLeeuw (talk) 13:07, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
 * [insert joke about space suits here]. NLeeuw (talk) 13:08, 5 June 2024 (UTC)


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Category:Violence in Palestine (region)
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 * The result of the discussion was: keep. (non-admin closure) House Blaster  (talk · he/they) 01:34, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting violence in palestine (region)
 * Nominator's rationale: There's another category created before. See Category:Violence in the Palestinian territories. --  M h hossein   talk 06:32, 5 June 2024 (UTC)


 * Keep. Palestine (region) is not the same as the Palestinian territories. The Palestinian territories consist of only two parts of the Palestine region: the West Bank and the Gaza Strip. --Aldij (talk) 06:55, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Withdrawn. -- M h hossein   talk 06:38, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Oppose per Aldij. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:03, 5 June 2024 (UTC)


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Category:Hinglaj Mata
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Category:Romans from Africa
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Category:Ondrej Nepela Memorial templates
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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) House Blaster  (talk · he/they) 01:41, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting ondrej nepela memorial templates
 * Nominator's rationale: This is exactly the same as a recently deleted category from Categories_for_discussion/Log/2024_May_27, except that category was created in April 2024 and this one was created in 2008, and this category also includes only one template instead of four. –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d c̄ ) 04:45, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Comment removed the only member, Template:Nepela Memorial, without explanation. –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d  c̄ ) 16:03, 5 June 2024 (UTC)


 * Comment Yes, this category is empty now. Liz <sup style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: #006400;">Read! Talk! 18:50, 5 June 2024 (UTC)


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Category:Amateur sport in Kazakhstan
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 * The result of the discussion was: merge/delete as nominated. (non-admin closure) House Blaster  (talk · he/they) 01:48, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting amateur sport in kazakhstan
 * Propose deleting football in the regions of kazakhstan
 * Propose deleting football in kazakhstan by region
 * Propose merging Category:Football clubs in Kazakhstan by region to Category:Football clubs in Kazakhstan
 * Propose deleting football clubs in akmola region
 * Propose deleting football clubs in kokshetau
 * Nominator's rationale: Numerous redundant category layers for a single region Mason (talk) 02:59, 5 June 2024 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom, but honestly I would go two steps further and also nominate Category:Football clubs in Akmola Region and Category:Football clubs in Kokshetau for deletion (no need to merge, the two articles are already in the parents trees anyway). Marcocapelle (talk) 04:26, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom, support extra nominees by Marcocapelle. NLeeuw (talk) 19:19, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
 * I tagged the two additional categories now. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:30, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Listed. –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d c̄ ) 21:14, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Also support the additional noms. Thanks Marco for finding them. Mason (talk) 22:52, 5 June 2024 (UTC)


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Category:Mosques in Libya by city
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 * The result of the discussion was: merge (non-admin closure) House Blaster  (talk · he/they) 01:35, 13 June 2024 (UTC)


 * Propose merging Category:Mosques in Libya by city to Category:Mosques by city and Category:Mosques in Libya
 * Nominator's rationale: Dual Upmerge for now. There's no need to have a redundant category like this. Mason (talk) 02:54, 5 June 2024 (UTC)


 * Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 04:29, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Upmerge for now without prejudice per nom. NLeeuw (talk) 13:15, 5 June 2024 (UTC)


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Category:Welsh-speaking writers
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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) House Blaster  (talk · he/they) 01:36, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Welsh-speaking writers to Category:Welsh-language writers
 * Nominator's rationale: Overlapping categories. I didn't speedy this because I wanted to make sure I wasn't missing something obvious. Mason (talk) 01:47, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Delete per Laundry and Marco. Omnis Scientia (talk) 09:42, 9 June 2024 (UTC)


 * Just delete, assuming the header is right about these are English-language writers. Being able to speak Welsh but not write in Welsh is a non-defining characteristic of a writer. Marcocapelle (talk) 04:31, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Delete What langauge one speaks is almost always a trivial characteristic. –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d c̄ ) 06:31, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Oppose. What language one speaks is not always a trivial characteristic, and certainly not when it's a minority language; that is a monoglot's view. However, I accept that there are few writers who speak but don't write in Welsh. What would make sense is to ensure that any entry that is in both categories is present in, which is the normal way of describing Welsh writers who do not speak/write in Welsh. The latter are, in a sense, the odd ones out. Please make sure this is listed at the relevant Wikiprojects. Deb (talk) 07:04, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
 * The intersection between being able to speak a language and the occupation of writing not a defining intersection. Mason (talk) 22:54, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
 * That depends on many things. Again, your statement sounds like a monoglot view. Deb (talk) 08:20, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Just delete per Marco and Laundry. NLeeuw (talk) 19:20, 5 June 2024 (UTC)


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Category:Geography by former colony
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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. Discussion of the categorization of Category:Geography of the Dutch East Indies can take place at Category talk:Geography of the Dutch East Indies. (non-admin closure) House Blaster  (talk · he/they) 01:37, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Geography by former colony to Category:Geography by former country
 * Nominator's rationale: Upmerge for now. It's not necessary to distinguish this level of granularity of what kind of former entity it is (colony versus former country) Mason (talk) 00:51, 5 June 2024 (UTC)


 * Merge, or possibly delete, redundant category layer with only one subcategory. One could argue that a former colony is not a former country, it still exists but became meanwhile independent. Marcocapelle (talk) 04:38, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Delete per Marcocapelle. The Dutch East Indies were never a "country" in the sense of an autonomous (let alone sovereign) state, unlike Suriname (Kingdom of the Netherlands) and the Netherlands Antilles from 1954 to 1975/2010. (These might be compared to the status of the United States of Indonesia / Republik Indonesia within the 1949–1956 Netherlands-Indonesia Union, which, other than a shared monarch, granted essentially full sovereignty to both countries; but that's after the DEI were already dissolved in 1949). Merging would place the DEI in a category where it doesn't belong. Current parents Category:Dutch East Indies and Category:Geography of Indonesia suffice. NLeeuw (talk) 13:27, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Delete per Nederlandse Leeuw. --Aldij (talk) 15:56, 5 June 2024 (UTC)


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Category:Imperial Roman admirals
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 * The result of the discussion was: merge. (non-admin closure) –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d  c̄ ) 11:30, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Imperial Roman admirals to Category:Ancient Roman admirals
 * Propose merging Category:Imperial Roman generals to Category:Ancient Roman generals
 * Propose merging Category:Imperial Roman soldiers to Category:Ancient Roman soldiers
 * Propose deleting imperial roman military personnel
 * Nominator's rationale: Merge/Purge (the bzyatine category). There's no need to create this parent category of Imperial Roman Foo. It just serves to isolate Byzantine and Ancient Roman child categories from other former nations. See Categories_for_discussion/Log/2023_September_27 for a recent conversation about naming of Roman categories. Mason (talk) 00:12, 5 June 2024 (UTC)


 * I'm not strongly against this. Just as Category:Roman consuls is split into Category:Imperial Roman consuls and Category:Roman Republican consuls, so are the categories for military figures. If those categories need to be merged, the categories for consuls should be merged as well. If you feel the need to merge the consul categories as well, I won't argue with you any further. Kirschtaria (talk) 02:34, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
 * I am not against it as a matter of principle, just noting that the problem (if it is a problem) is far more widespread, e.g. Category:People from the Roman Empire and Category:Military of the Roman Empire. Marcocapelle (talk) 04:42, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Yep, as I starting tagging, I realized that it's definitely a wider spread issue. But we have to start somewhere that's manageable. Mason (talk) 22:56, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Merge per nom. The "Ancient" part clarifies that the scope is until 476 CE, and that anything "Imperial Roman" after that is better understood as "Byzantine". NLeeuw (talk) 13:32, 5 June 2024 (UTC)


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