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Category:Arabian freedmen

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkl  talk  19:23, 8 April 2024 (UTC)


 * Propose merging Category:Arabian freedmen to Category:Arabian slaves and freedmen
 * Nominator's rationale: Overlapping category Mason (talk) 23:28, 31 March 2024 (UTC)


 * Just delete, the article is still in Category:Slaves from the Abbasid Caliphate. Presumably it was not standard to free one's slaves but I can imagine that a larger proportion of notable slaves have been freed, so that the concepts are more overlapping in Wikipedia than they were in everyday medieval life. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:51, 1 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Works for me Mason (talk) 16:51, 6 April 2024 (UTC)


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Category:Monochamini

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkl  talk  19:24, 8 April 2024 (UTC)


 * Propose merging Category:Monochamini to Category:Lamiini
 * Nominator's rationale: The article Monochamini redirects to Lamiini where they are listed as synonyms. Pichpich (talk) 21:15, 31 March 2024 (UTC)


 * Merge per nom. Possibly keep a redirect. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:53, 1 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Merge and keep redirect per above. Gjs238 (talk) 13:56, 2 April 2024 (UTC)


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Category:15th-century Maltese philosophers

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkl  talk  19:24, 8 April 2024 (UTC)


 * Propose merging Category:15th-century Maltese philosophers to Category:Maltese philosophers and Category:15th-century philosophers and Category:15th-century Maltese people
 * Nominator's rationale: Upmerge for now. Only one person in this category, which isn't helpful for navigation. Mason (talk) 18:59, 31 March 2024 (UTC)


 * Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:17, 31 March 2024 (UTC)


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Infrastructure
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Category:14th-century Roman Catholic bishops in Moldavia

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkl  talk  19:33, 8 April 2024 (UTC)


 * Propose merging Category:14th-century Roman Catholic bishops in Moldavia to Category:14th-century Roman Catholic bishops in Europe
 * Nominator's rationale: Upmerge for now. Only one bishop in here, which isn't very helpful for navgation Mason (talk) 18:41, 31 March 2024 (UTC)


 * Just delete, the only article is already in Category:14th-century Roman Catholic bishops in Lithuania so a merge is not needed. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:06, 31 March 2024 (UTC)


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Category:16th-century Roman Catholic bishops in Portuguese Macau
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Category:16th-century Roman Catholic church buildings in Africa
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Category:Malawian music by city

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete/merge. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  19:40, 8 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting malawian music by city
 * Propose deleting malawian musicians by city
 * Propose deleting malawian singers by city
 * Propose deleting malawian people by city and occupation
 * Propose deleting malawian people by occupation and city
 * Propose deleting music in blantyre
 * Propose deleting music in lilongwe
 * Propose merging singers from blantyre to musicians from blantyre
 * Propose merging singers from lilongwe to musicians from lilongwe
 * Propose merging people from blantyre by occupation to people from blantyre
 * Propose merging people from lilongwe by occupation to people from lilongwe


 * Nominator's rationale: Unnecessary overcategorization of a small number of articles -- in both Blantyre and Lilongwe, the creator started "Musicians from [City]" categories that are fine on their own, but then vastly overdid everything else around them. Firstly, they do not each require a separate "singers" subcategory: the musicians categories have just ten and seven articles in them, respectively, which is not large enough to require diffusion for different types of musicians, and the singers subcategories in turn have just two and four articles in them -- and obviously if the singers categories aren't necessary, then neither is . Secondly, with just two categories they don't need a dedicated container either, and can just be filed directly in . Thirdly, they also don't need "Music in (City)" parents that don't have anything else in them (and have nothing else in the "City" parents that can be refiled into them either), which also vitiates the need for . Fourthly, neither  nor  have enough occupational subcategories to require chunking them out into "People from X by occupation" containers, and if those aren't needed then  and  also aren't needed either. Again, the musicians subcategories themselves are fine, but they don't need any of these as parent or child categories -- they can both just be filed directly in  and the appropriate "People from X", and don't need this many layers of redundancy added to their family trees. Bearcat (talk) 15:14, 31 March 2024 (UTC)


 * Merge/delete per nom, this makes navigation through the tree a nightmare. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:05, 31 March 2024 (UTC)
 * @Bearcat, @Marcocapelle There are many articles that need to be included in the categories above that haven't yet been added. If the categories are intended to be merged or deleted, I just wonder how this survives which uses the very same style and structure.  If the intention is to have at least many articles into them, well then, would you give it a little time as I would look for articles to add into them (or even create some). Hopefully Wikipedia is work in progress. Thanks. Tumbuka Arch (talk) 17:25, 31 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Please read WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS. Just because that exists doesn't mean this has to as well, because it's entirely within the realm of possibility that that shouldn't exist either. Nothing stops anybody from creating any unwarranted thing at any time, so the existence of one thing is not automatically validation for the existence of another. Bearcat (talk) 17:26, 31 March 2024 (UTC)


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Category:British Kenya

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename (non-admin closure) House Blaster  (talk · he/him) 17:49, 7 April 2024 (UTC)


 * Propose renaming Category:British Kenya to Category:Kenya Colony
 * Nominator's rationale: rename, seems a straightforward case of WP:C2D but having this for full discussion just in case it isn't that straightforward. Marcocapelle (talk) 14:48, 31 March 2024 (UTC)


 * 'Support I see no reason to object and it is indeed close to a WP:C2D. Pichpich (talk) 21:18, 31 March 2024 (UTC)


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Category:Arab-Jewish culture in the United States

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename (non-admin closure) House Blaster  (talk · he/him) 17:49, 7 April 2024 (UTC)


 * Propose renaming Category:Arab-Jewish culture in the United States to Category:Arab-Jewish diaspora in the United States
 * Propose renaming Category:Egyptian-Jewish culture in the United States to Category:Egyptian-Jewish diaspora in the United States
 * Propose renaming Category:Lebanese-Jewish culture in the United States to Category:Lebanese-Jewish diaspora in the United States
 * Propose renaming Category:Syrian-Jewish culture in the United States to Category:Syrian-Jewish diaspora in the United States
 * Propose renaming Category:Arab-Jewish culture in France to Category:Arab-Jewish diaspora in France
 * Propose renaming Category:Algerian-Jewish culture in France to Category:Algerian-Jewish diaspora in France
 * Propose renaming Category:Tunisian-Jewish culture in France to Category:Tunisian-Jewish diaspora in France
 * Nominator's rationale: Rename as part of as part of Category:Arab-Jewish diaspora. This suggestion had some support at Categories for discussion/Log/2024 March 21. "Diaspora" would match some parent categories such as . I acknowledge that these are also part of, but IMHO conforming within would be most helpful. – Fayenatic  L ondon 07:34, 31 March 2024 (UTC)


 * Support, the proposed names clarify better what these categories are about. Marcocapelle (talk) 13:39, 31 March 2024 (UTC)


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Category:Meta-Wiki autoconfirmed users

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure) House Blaster  (talk · he/him) 17:48, 7 April 2024 (UTC)


 * Propose deleting meta-wiki autoconfirmed users
 * Nominator's rationale: Fails WP:USERCAT for utterly lacking collaborative value. * Pppery * it has begun... 01:47, 31 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Support as creator. Seeing as Template:Autoconfirmed topicon does not have a category, there is a reasonable rationale for deleting it. 2003   LN  6  02:00, 31 March 2024 (UTC)


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Category:Wikipedians who like Super Mario

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. In line with previous consensus. It's worth noting the category contains only one member. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  19:42, 8 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting wikipedians who like super mario
 * Nominator's rationale: Fails WP:USERCAT for utterly lacking collaborative value. * Pppery * it has begun... 01:47, 31 March 2024 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:44, 31 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. Pichpich (talk) 21:18, 31 March 2024 (UTC)
 * It shouldn't be deleted because I keep expanding the page. Hjajajsbbxb12 (talk) 15:40, 1 April 2024 (UTC)
 * That is not a reason to keep it. Marcocapelle (talk) 04:16, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
 * User:Hjajajsbbxb12, the size of the page isn't a factor. If the category is kept I'd recommend cleaning up the userbox clutter. It's normal and fine to have some userboxes appear on categories like this, but the page is pretty disorganized right now.  Vanilla  Wizard </b></b> 💙 19:28, 4 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Keep per WP:USERCATYES. In my opinion this category is totally fine per Appropriate types of user categories § Categories which group users by interest in a subject: "This includes any grouping of users by interest in a subject – that is, interest in editing articles related to a certain topic – so long as the topic is not overly narrow or vague (see below: Categories that are overly narrow in scope, Categories that are vaguely defined)." These sorts of "Wikipedians who like x" are fairly common additions to userpages and I'd say Super Mario is a large enough series with an active enough base of interested Wikipedia editors improving the subject's coverage that it's reasonable for such a category to exist. I can't see anything in WP:USERCATNO that would suggest this an example of an inappropriate user category, as I don't think it's so narrow that it cannot conceivably be relevant to a broad number of users' editing. <b style="font-family:Trebuchet MS"><b style="background-color:#07d;color:#FFF"> Vanilla </b><b style="background-color:#749;color:#FFF"> Wizard </b></b> 💙 00:48, 4 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Liking something is completely different than willingness to improve the encyclopedia with respect to this topic. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:41, 4 April 2024 (UTC)
 * I can't say I agree. I think it could reasonably go on the userpage of a member of the WikiProject Video games Nintendo task force because it seems analagous to the very populous Category:Wikipedians who like Pokémon. Of course, one could always say that category needs to go as well and nominate it here, but I think at that point you'd have to argue there should be no "Wikipedians who like <x>" categories of any sort and they should all be deleted, but that seems like the sort of thing that would require broader discussion about user category guidelines at some other venue. So for me personally, I'd need some convincing that this category is less related to improving the encyclopedia than other analagous categories which have long been understood to be acceptable. <b style="font-family:Trebuchet MS"><b style="background-color:#07d;color:#FFF"> Vanilla </b><b style="background-color:#749;color:#FFF"> Wizard </b></b> 💙 19:28, 4 April 2024 (UTC)
 * If nominated, "Wikipedians who like <x>" categories have usually been deleted in the course of time. For example Categories_for_discussion/Log/2021_July_1. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:52, 6 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Reading through that discussion, I agree with what Diriector_Doc had to say. I'll add that I think a better solution (if there exists a problem in the first place) would be to rename some of these "Wikipedians who like <x>" categories to "Wikipedians interested in <x>" so long as the subject is not too narrow to realistically relate to any editing areas. One thing that stood out as confusing in that previous deletion discussion was that the nom intentionally spared "Category:Wikipedians who like Game Center CX" solely because GameCenter CX is a show rather than a video game. What does that have to do with the collaborative value of the category? The bar for being kept versus deleted should be that a subject has enough coverage on Wikipedia that there exists an editing community (which can be said about some of those deleted categories), not "delete if it's a game series, keep if it's a television series." <b style="font-family:Trebuchet MS"><b style="background-color:#07d;color:#FFF"> Vanilla </b><b style="background-color:#749;color:#FFF"> Wizard </b></b> 💙 19:34, 6 April 2024 (UTC)


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Category:Wikipedian disc golfers
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