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California articles missing geocoordinate data

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure) Queen of Hearts  ( talk ) 00:25, 21 May 2024 (UTC)


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 * Nominator's rationale: There's no longer a need for these by-county maintenance categories. They were created 15 years ago when the backlog was much larger and separating by county was useful. The backlog has been greatly reduced; at the moment, every one of these categories is empty. (Special thanks to User:Oona Wikiwalker who has added a lot of coordinates recently.) The rate of new California-related articles is low enough that the statewide category is sufficient. Pi.1415926535 (talk) 20:35, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Pardon me, but where have the remaining articles been moved to? I can't seem to find them.
 * And thank you for the kind words!Oona Wikiwalker (talk) 21:16, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
 * @Oona Wikiwalker: I removed the last remaining articles today by adding coordinates to some and removing the others that didn't need coordinates. There are currently no California-related articles that have been tagged as needing coordinates. Pi.1415926535 (talk) 21:34, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
 * How do you determine which articles don't need coordinates? I suspect I've wasted a lot of effort on pages that didn't need coordinates... Oona Wikiwalker (talk) 03:25, 14 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Delete Some US counties are very small in area or population. For example, the category tree for Alpine County, California, has only 194 articles according to Petscan — this county has only about 1,000 people and is smaller in area than most counties in Texas. –LaundryPizza03 ( d c̄ ) 01:27, 14 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Delete as per nomination, although if these are now empty categories wouldn't CSD C1 have been quicker and more apporpriate? Adam Black talk &bull; contributions 22:04, 14 May 2024 (UTC)
 * @Adam Black GB: The guidelines for C1 seem to exclude occasionally-empty maintenance categories; this is a somewhat uncommon case of those categories no longer being needed. I figured it was better to bring to CfD than risk confusion with CSD. Pi.1415926535 (talk) 22:10, 14 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Ah, I see. From my reading of it I thought C1 could be used if the maintenance category templates weren't on the page. Adam Black talk &bull; contributions 22:37, 14 May 2024 (UTC)


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Category:Trinitrotoluene

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 * The result of the discussion was: keep. (non-admin closure)  Queen of Hearts  ( talk ) 00:25, 21 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Trinitrotoluene to Category:TNT
 * Nominator's rationale: Category name should be consistent with the title of the article TNT. HertzDonuts (talk) 17:48, 13 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Oppose, as there are lots of meanings. Unlike articles, where it's easy to find and correct mislinking ("TNT" but not the chemical meaning), cats are less well patrolled, harder to notice, and and create more problems when mis-set. In fact, the original Category:TNT was about the Russian TV channel even though the the chemical article was already at TNT. WP:MOSCAT notes:
 * "Avoid abbreviations. Example: "Category:Military equipment of World War II", not "Category:Military equipment of WW2". However, acronyms that have become the official, or generally used, name (such as NATO) should be used where there are no other conflicts."
 * and in this case the name is not "official", just COMMONNAME and there is a conflict. I have no objection to Category disambiguation or similar solution (I see that Category:Disambiguation categories does have other entries where the eponymous page is a redirect to a better-named article). DMacks (talk) 19:50, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Note: WikiProject Chemicals notified of this discussion. DMacks (talk) 19:54, 13 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Oppose per DMacks' rationale. --Leyo 20:21, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
 * I agree with the Oppose arguments. HertzDonuts (talk) 20:24, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Oppose per above. Marcocapelle (talk) 04:06, 14 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Oppose as per the other arguments above and also this abbreviation is used in many other areas. Just look at TNT (disambiguation). It is a long list. Adam Black talk &bull; contributions 21:58, 14 May 2024 (UTC)


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Category:American communists of the Stalin era

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure) Queen of Hearts  ( talk ) 00:24, 21 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Propose deleting american communists of the stalin era
 * Nominator's rationale: Per WP:ARBITRARYCAT. Communists in the United States are not necessarily defined by the leader of another country. User:Namiba 17:03, 13 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom. A merge is not needed, the articles are already in Category:Members of the Communist Party USA. Marcocapelle (talk) 04:25, 14 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Delete per nomination. Definitely an example of an arbitrary category. Adam Black talk &bull; contributions 22:48, 14 May 2024 (UTC)


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Newspapers published in Western Australia by region
Relisted, see Categories for discussion/Log/2024 May 21%23Newspapers published in Western Australia by region

Category:Ernest Cline

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure) Queen of Hearts  ( talk ) 00:24, 21 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Propose deleting ernest cline
 * Nominator's rationale: Unnecessary layer of categorization. The "works by" category suffices as a top level parent category. Star cheers peaks news lost wars Talk to me 15:51, 13 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Delete per WP:OCEPON. Marcocapelle (talk) 04:26, 14 May 2024 (UTC)


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Category:Electoral reform in Jersey

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure) Queen of Hearts  ( talk ) 00:24, 21 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Propose deleting electoral reform in jersey
 * Nominator's rationale: No need to differentiate the electoral reform referendums from the others. At the very least, have it nested under the referendums in jersey category rather its own separate category alongside it. Saltywalrusprkl (talk) 14:51, 13 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom. There is no need to merge, both articles are already in Category:Referendums in Jersey and Category:Electoral reform referendums. Marcocapelle (talk) 04:31, 14 May 2024 (UTC)


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Category:Yoruba police officers

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure) Queen of Hearts  ( talk ) 00:24, 21 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Propose deleting yoruba police officers
 * Nominator's rationale: Per WP:OCEGRS. There are MANY Yoruba occupation categories which could also be nominated. Moreover, many of the people in these categories are put their because of their name, not because sources say that they are Yoruba. User:Namiba 14:10, 13 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 04:31, 14 May 2024 (UTC)


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Category:Beringia

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 * The result of the discussion was: Delete * Pppery * it has begun... 01:10, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting beringia
 * Nominator's rationale: delete, anachronistic content, Beringia is a concept from prehistoric geography, but the category only contains current-day geography. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:51, 26 April 2024 (UTC)

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 * Oppose Marcocapelle's definition contradicts the maim article Beringia, which defines it as a current region. Dimadick (talk) 18:52, 26 April 2024 (UTC)
 * It does not. It was one coherent region because the Bering Street was dry land. That is no longer the case. Beringia is not usually on any current-day map. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:35, 26 April 2024 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


 * Oppose per Dimadick. Nom seems to ignore the fact that the English term Beringia is also used for a present-day region. That it doesn't usually appear on present-day maps is an argument from anecdotal evidence. If nom could demonstrate that the category arbitrarily mixes up past and present in a confusing manner, that would be interesting to consider for a renaming or split, or something. NLeeuw (talk) 11:39, 4 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Except a spurious touristic source, all sources referenced to are related to prehistory. Marcocapelle (talk) 15:22, 4 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Hmmm... wait, I may have judged too soon. NLeeuw (talk) 22:01, 4 May 2024 (UTC)

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 * Delete per nom. That one source, https://www.nps.gov/subjects/beringia/index.htm, claiming that Beringia still exists today, evidently represents a fringe view not supported by the first 10 other sources I checked. All other language versions also support the idea that it is a region which no longer exists, and equivalent to "Bering Land Bridge". So let's remove that spurious source, and delete the whole category that has nothing to do with the geological, geographical and human migratory aspect of Beringia. NLeeuw (talk) 22:11, 4 May 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Battles involving Bengal
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 * The result of the discussion was: Rename per Fayenatic london, as unopposed. * Pppery * <sub style="color:#800000">it has begun... 01:08, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Battles involving Bengal to Category:Battles involving the Indian kingdoms and Category:History of Bengal
 * Nominator's rationale: merge, battles are diffused by (former) countries and Bengal was not a country. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:52, 13 April 2024 (UTC)

Relisting comment: Input in general would be great, but in particular input on FL's proposal would be appreciated :) Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, House Blaster  (talk · he/him) 15:17, 3 May 2024 (UTC) Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, House Blaster  (talk · he/him) 13:47, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Rename to Category:Battles involving Bangladesh, The battles in the category are involved Bengal region and Bangladesh is created from the a big part of the region. It would be better to rename the category and make specify it for country-wise battle category. Mehedi Abedin 09:07, 13 April 2024 (UTC)
 * No, that would be highly anachronistic, and some of these battles were in West Bengal. – Fayenatic  L ondon 09:56, 13 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Rename to Category:Military history of Bengal. IMHO this is a useful division of Category:History of Bengal. – Fayenatic  L ondon 09:56, 13 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Ok that is a reasonable alternative, but then still the content should be added to Category:Battles involving the Indian kingdoms too. Marcocapelle (talk) 12:29, 13 April 2024 (UTC)
 * it should only be a selective merge to that parent, because many of the articles are already in other subcats of that one, and I'm not sure whether the others belong there. I suggest you watch the category and merge any valid missing items yourself if the rename goes through. – Fayenatic  L ondon 15:15, 20 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Fair enough. Marcocapelle (talk) 15:18, 20 April 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Pocatello Army Air Base Bombardiers football seasons
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 * The result of the discussion was: Merge per nomination. In this case the target does have some other content. See also follow-up discussion at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_College_football on cases with no other content. – Fayenatic  L ondon 08:45, 14 June 2024 (UTC) – Fayenatic  L ondon 08:45, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Pocatello Army Air Base Bombardiers football seasons to Category:Pocatello Army Air Base Bombardiers football
 * Nominator's rationale: Only one page in category. Let&#39;srun (talk) 16:36, 24 April 2024 (UTC)

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 * Keep; standard cat scheme. Jweiss11 (talk) 16:37, 24 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:20, 24 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Merge per nom. Saying something is standard, so we should keep it, is not a compelling reason. Having only one category is not helpful for navigation. Mason (talk) 23:48, 24 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Yes it is. Parallelism matters and should be considered a central pillar of Wikipedia. If this cat merged as nominated, then 1943 Pocatello Army Air Base Bombardiers football team is lost from the tree at Category:College football seasons by team. User:Let'srun's notations here are becoming tiresome and obstructive. Jweiss11 (talk) 03:57, 25 April 2024 (UTC)
 * I agree with the problem, it should also be merged to Category:College football seasons. Marcocapelle (talk) 04:50, 25 April 2024 (UTC)
 * , did you mean Category:College football seasons by team? Jweiss11 (talk) 20:52, 2 May 2024 (UTC)
 * No, I mean a new category, of which Category:College football seasons by team should be a subcategory, and to which articles of current one-article subcategories would be moved. Marcocapelle (talk) 02:25, 3 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Note that there's already Category:College football seasons in the United States, which is a parent of Category:College football seasons by team. Jweiss11 (talk) 03:13, 3 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Thanks, I overlooked that. It is quite confusing that the parent category has "in the United States" in the name while Category:College football seasons by team has not. Then Category:College football seasons in the United States should be the new merge target, at least in theory. But the article is already in a year subcategory of it, so then my comment becomes about a second merge target entirely moot. Marcocapelle (talk) 11:08, 3 May 2024 (UTC)
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Roman Catholic bishops in Macau
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 * The result of the discussion was: Merge This looks like a 2:2 no consensus discussion by the numbers, but the IPs are clearly the same person, and that person has been credibly accused of being a LTA so I'm weighting their comment as less. That results in a consensus to merge. * Pppery * <sub style="color:#800000">it has begun... 20:53, 21 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Roman Catholic bishops in Macau to Category:Roman Catholic bishops of Macau
 * Propose merging Category:19th-century Roman Catholic bishops in Macau to Category:Roman Catholic bishops of Macau, Category:19th-century Macau people, Category:19th-century Roman Catholic bishops in China and Category:19th-century Roman Catholic bishops in Portugal
 * Propose merging Category:20th-century Roman Catholic bishops in Macau to Category:Roman Catholic bishops of Macau, Category:20th-century Macau people, Category:20th-century Roman Catholic bishops in China and Category:20th-century Roman Catholic bishops in Portugal
 * Propose merging Category:21st-century Roman Catholic bishops in Macau to Category:Roman Catholic bishops of Macau, Category:21st-century Macau people, Category:21st-century Roman Catholic bishops in China
 * Nominator's rationale: merge, per article List of bishops of Macau, Catholic bishops are primarily bishop of a diocese. This is follow-up on Categories_for_discussion/Log/2024_April_16. Marcocapelle (talk) 13:43, 28 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Support per nom. Although I'm on the fence about merging to Category:FOO-century Macau people, because not everyone is from Macau. Mason (talk) 16:17, 28 April 2024 (UTC)


 * This category tree is now a big mess. · There were Catholic bishops who were appointed bishops or titular bishops elsewhere but stationed in Macau, some of them as coadjutor/auxiliary bishops or administrators or governors of this diocese. These bishops were not bearers of the title Bishop of Macau although they were bishops who worked in Macau. Further the diocese covered a much much larger area in the Far East. It's only since the 1950s (or the 1980s if the two parishes in Malacca Malaysia and Singapore are taken into consideration) the Diocese of Macau is coterminous with the present-day territorial extent of Macau. From its founding in the 16th century hundreds of dioceses have been carved out from this diocese. The ' proposal regarding Category:Roman Catholic bishops in Macau is therefore '. · Likewise the ' and the ' proposals for the 19th and 20th century categories are ' for the reasons as stated above, and that this is also a vote for the restoration of the 16th to 18th century categories. If the 19th and the 20th century categories (and the 16th to 18th century categories as well) were to be merged the target should be Portugal since the territory was over the period a Portuguese province (save for the last twelve days of the 20th century). · For the ' proposal on the 21st century category, bear in mind that the bishop does not participate in any conference of bishops or anything similar of the Chinese catholic church, and that the present bishop is not a native of Macau – There is ' to proceed as proposed. · Overall this is a keep' vote (and'' a vote to clear the mess under the preexisting structure prior to CfD 16 April). 58.152.55.172 (talk) 12:21, 29 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Comment: To the closer, this IP is WP:HKGW and has been the one making a mess of this and other similar categories. Mason (talk) 01:06, 30 April 2024 (UTC)
 * This user me as such with no explanation and I simply don't understand why she gave me such a label. It appears she just labels when she's running out of supporting arguments. I took no part in making this mess. The categories nominated in this CfD or the 16 April one were created by other editors, and I'd done nothing to change them. 58.152.55.172 (talk) 09:02, 30 April 2024 (UTC)


 * By all means purge bishops who were appointed bishops or titular bishops elsewhere, but stationed in Macau. If the tree is a mess we simply should have a clean-up. Marcocapelle (talk) 11:27, 30 April 2024 (UTC)
 * They were nevertheless bishops in Macau and these articles fit well within the wider Category:Roman Catholic bishops by country of work tree. 58.152.55.172 (talk) 14:39, 4 May 2024 (UTC)


 * For information the bishops attended meetings of the Conferência Episcopal Portuguesa, as in . 58.152.55.172 (talk) 09:42, 10 May 2024 (UTC)

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 * Keep as part of a larger categorisation scheme. Moving articles from categories of dependencies to those of the sovereign powers is not uncontested. 42.200.80.48 (talk) 12:44, 3 May 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Fictional animals by taxon
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 * The result of the discussion was: merge Category:Fictional animals by taxon to Category:Fictional animals by type; keep Category:Fictional invertebrates and Category:Fictional vertebrates (non-admin closure) House Blaster  (talk · he/they) 22:17, 9 June 2024 (UTC); amended 21:15, 14 June 2024 (UTC)


 * Propose merging Category:Fictional animals by taxon to Category:Fictional animals by type
 * Nominator's rationale: No reason has been given why this unnecessarily WP:NARROWCAT has been created. It only contains two taxons which is not enough to justify an entire separate category. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 04:50, 27 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Keep Category:Fictional animals by taxon, but merge Category:Fictional invertebrates and Category:Fictional vertebrates into Category:Fictional animals by taxon. AHI-3000 (talk) 05:08, 27 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Ultimately doing that is just shuffling around deck chairs and makes no real difference. But I think the more longstanding categories (since 2006) should take precedence over your new 2024 category, not things be merged just because you want your category to be prominent. You have just stated an opinion but not provided a reason to back why taxon is better than the vertebrate/invertebrate split. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 09:45, 27 April 2024 (UTC)
 * My suggestion is to leave "Fictional animals by taxon" with 8 subcategories instead of 2, if your only argument is that it's too small right now. AHI-3000 (talk) 21:23, 27 April 2024 (UTC)

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 * Both the nominated and the alt proposal could be an improvement, but I prefer the alternative, in order to keep taxa together as a recognizable attrribute. I have tagged the two subcategories. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:43, 27 April 2024 (UTC)
 * So do you support my suggestion? AHI-3000 (talk) 21:20, 27 April 2024 (UTC)
 * I already said I prefer your alternative. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:09, 28 April 2024 (UTC)
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 * Merge as originally nominated. The alt proposal is no good because it would leave the articles directly in Category:Fictional invertebrates orphaned and I see no reason true taxonomic category need to be categorized separately from folk taxonomic ones. * Pppery * <sub style="color:#800000">it has begun... 01:17, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Merge as originally nominated, per above. --Aldij (talk) 09:51, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
 * , what do you think about this? AHI-3000 (talk) 18:51, 3 June 2024 (UTC)


 * Merge per nom While we can expand the subcategories, I don't really see any need for a category tree about taxons. The way taxonomy works, any particular grouping (clade for example) can have subcategories which would not be visible in the "by taxon" category. Dimadick (talk) 23:06, 3 June 2024 (UTC)


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Category:Jewish communities destroyed in the Holocaust
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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) House Blaster  (talk · he/him) 00:57, 21 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Propose listifying and deleting jewish communities destroyed in the holocaust
 * Nominator's rationale: Disclaimer: I would like to say that this is a sensitive topic that should not be treated lightly. I am going to make some observations that seek to address what I see as inappropriate categorisation practices, but I thereby do not seek to deny or diminish or trivialise the severity of The Holocaust. That said: I think this is an WP:ARBITRARYCAT that should be listified, and every entry supported by WP:RS.


 * Firstly: We cannot say that a city or town, which had at some point a "Jewish community" (something which should also be properly defined first in terms of numbers and characteristics) living in it, should in its entirety be included in this category. The precedent Categories for discussion/Log/2023 March 27 comes to mind: a minority community within a populated place or administrative region cannot be WP:DEFINING for the identity of that place or region as a whole. This is a wider issue within the Category:Historic Jewish communities in Europe tree, but also in similar category trees of "communities" that categorise entire places or regions based on a minority of ethnic group X living within its borders.


 * Secondly, what exactly "destroyed" means is also not clear, as there have also been many Holocaust survivors. Is a "community" only destroyed when 100% of its members did not survive the Holocaust, or is 90% enough? I'm sorry if that seems like a strange or inappropriate question, but it is one we need to ask to avoid having arbitrary percentages, and thus WP:ARBITRARYCATs. It is the same reason why we can't have Category:Fooian-speaking countries just because, say, more than 50% of inhabitants in country X speaks Fooian, because '50%' is arbitrary. (So I had those categories all renamed last year as well).
 * What "destroyed" means exactly may also vary. A few years ago, there was a long dispute on Dutch Wikipedia about "List of castles destroyed by the French during the Franco-Dutch War" (it had many different titles, all of which were quite arbitrary and untenable; link: nl:Wikipedia:Te beoordelen pagina's/Toegevoegd 20201103). There, it turned out that some castles were rather "damaged" than "destroyed", or "demolished" outside of combat, and that a lot of WP:OR and WP:SYNTH was involved in developing the list. Like this category, that list mostly sought to highlight and quantify the extent of the destruction wrought by a group of perpetrators, but failed to properly define what it was exactly about. "Community" is an even vaguer concept than "castle", and how one can "destroy a community" is really a question I would rather like to leave up to sociologists than us category Wikipedians.


 * If we listify this category, we could at least provide reliable sources in which scholars explain what they mean; categories cannot do that for us. NLeeuw (talk) 17:10, 26 April 2024 (UTC)

Relisting comment: Not enough commentary on the proposal to listify. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d c̄ ) 00:41, 5 May 2024 (UTC) Relisting comment: I will drop a note at WT:JH. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, House Blaster  (talk · he/him) 13:26, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Delete, the category contains articles about current-day European cities and towns rather than articles about pre-1945 Jewish communities. No objection against listification per se, but I think this task is far too big for someone to start with on a short term. The category content may be listed at the talk page of a relevant WikiProject before deletion, for someone, or maybe for multiple editors together, to start listifying in their own pace. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:59, 26 April 2024 (UTC)
 * That seems like a good idea. Perhaps the creator @Eladkarmel is willing to do so? NLeeuw (talk) 20:32, 26 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Delete These populated places are not notable for being Jewish communities. Dimadick (talk) 19:14, 26 April 2024 (UTC)
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 * @Dimadick Do you support the proposal to listify before deleting? NLeeuw (talk) 18:51, 5 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Only if there are enough independent sources for such a list. Dimadick (talk) 00:27, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
 * I suspect there are plenty of libraries full of sources writing about this. But as Marco said, documenting and verifying all that takes a lot of time, so it would probably be best to list the content on a relevant WikiProject talk page. I think the most appropriate would be WikiProject Jewish history. NLeeuw (talk) 21:31, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
 * <p class="xfd_relist" style="margin:0 0 0 -1em;border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 2em;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


 * Delete per nom. For starters, we already have Category:Historic Jewish communities in Poland, Category:Holocaust locations in Poland, Belarus etc. We even have List of villages and towns depopulated of Jews during the Holocaust, so from a few angles this cat already seems redundant. Whatever the cat creator was trying to accomplish here, it fails on numerous counts. Just because a place was WP:ASSOCIATEDWITH a Jewish community which no longer exists due to the Holocaust, it's not a good enough reason to create a special category for it. Even including a Jewish shtetl like Lozisht in a cat like this is at the very least problematic; in the shtetl article we read that a shtetl is defined by Yohanan Petrovsky-Shtern as "an East European market town in private possession of a Polish magnate, inhabited mostly but not exclusively by Jews" and that Despite the existence of Jewish self-administration (kehilla/kahal), officially there were no separate Jewish municipalities ... As nom explained above, this kind of classification is arbitrary&mdash;is a town considered Jewish if populated only with 40% Jews? Or maybe 60% or higher is needed? In a similar vein, it seems wrong to me to have Johnston City, Illinois included in Category:Lynching in the United States when lynching seems to have only a loose association with that town (a single lynching occurred there 100 years ago); maybe even less than Category:Kidnapping in the United States has to do with Chowchilla, California, a town that was completely traumatized by that activity, and yet cannot be found in said category.  Stony Brook  babble 20:50, 19 May 2024 (UTC)


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Category:American buskers
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 * The result of the discussion was: rename (non-admin closure) Queen of Hearts  ( talk ) 00:22, 21 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Propose renaming Category:American buskers to Category:American street performers
 * Nominator's rationale: This was previously discussed and agreed at Categories for discussion/Log/2020 January 31 before it was suddenly moved back without any discussion. WP:ENGVAR allows us to use the American English term. Buskers is not a word generally used in the United States. JDDJS  ( talk to me  •  see what I've done ) 18:14, 5 May 2024 (UTC)

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 * Speedy rename in the spirit of WP:G4 but keep a redirect. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:24, 5 May 2024 (UTC)
 * as you listed this at WP:CFDS you might want to react as well. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:43, 5 May 2024 (UTC)
 * As I noted when I nominated this for a speedy move in January (see here), the relevant parent category is Category:Buskers by nationality, in which all other entries use that same word. I don't think it makes sense for just one category out of the tree to use different terminology, so I am opposed to this proposal as is. However, I would not oppose renaming the whole tree (and every other relevant category in the greater Category:Buskers tree) based on this given "busking" and "busker" are both redirects to street performance, and I would think it best for all categories to match with that. Plus, I would imagine "street performer" to be a better known, more readily understood, term than "busker". If you wish to extend this proposal to the whole tree, then I will gladly change my vote, but as is I think matching category names is ideal regardless of what terminology is in use. QuietHere (talk &#124; contributions) 19:11, 5 May 2024 (UTC)
 * What you are arguing goes against WP:ENGVAR. Marcocapelle (talk) 09:05, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
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 * Rename per nom. WP:STRONGNAT? NLeeuw (talk) 17:19, 14 May 2024 (UTC)


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Migrant to the Ottoman Empire people from British India
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Category:Military history of Lorraine
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 * The result of the discussion was: merge (non-admin closure) Queen of Hearts  ( talk ) 00:20, 21 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Propose merging Category:Military history of Lorraine to Category:Military history of Grand Est
 * Nominator's rationale: merge, Lorraine is a defunct administrative division, meanwhile part of Grand Est. Marcocapelle (talk) 10:00, 13 May 2024 (UTC)


 *  Weak support It's true that it is no longer an administrative division, but we've got lots of other "Military history of former country/province X" cats. But I suppose it's okay to merge if that makes navigation easier. NLeeuw (talk) 17:15, 14 May 2024 (UTC)
 * if you know other "Military history of former province" categories let me know and I will nominate them too. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:15, 15 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Hmmmm I suppose there aren't that many, actually. I expected to find them everywhere, but all I could find that semi-qualifies is Category:Military history of Savoy, Category:Military history of Baden etc. But those have arguably been independent countries at some point before becoming provinces of larger countries. If I do find others, I'll let you know or nominate them myself. At any rate, seems like your rationale is in line with common practice. NLeeuw (talk) 17:42, 15 May 2024 (UTC)


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Category:New South Wales rugby union team players
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Category:Battles in Provence-Alpes-Côte d'Azur
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 * The result of the discussion was: manual merge. (non-admin closure)  Queen of Hearts  ( talk ) 00:31, 21 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Propose upmerging Category:Battles in Provence-Alpes-Côte d'Azur to Category:Military history of Provence-Alpes-Côte d'Azur
 * Nominator's rationale: Per WP:MILMOS and recent precedents. NLeeuw (talk) 06:33, 13 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Manually merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 10:09, 13 May 2024 (UTC)


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Category:Battles in Grand Est
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 * The result of the discussion was: manual merge. (non-admin closure)  Queen of Hearts  ( talk ) 00:28, 21 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Propose upmerging Category:Battles in Grand Est to Category:Military history of Grand Est
 * Nominator's rationale: Per WP:MILMOS and recent precedents. NLeeuw (talk) 06:31, 13 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Manually merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 10:10, 13 May 2024 (UTC)


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Category:Kyrgyzstani politicians of Korean descent
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 * The result of the discussion was: merge (non-admin closure) Queen of Hearts  ( talk ) 00:19, 21 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Propose merging Category:Kyrgyzstani politicians of Korean descent to Category:Kyrgyzstani people of Korean descent
 * Nominator's rationale: Upmerge for now. there'd no need to diffuse Kyrgyzstani people of Korean descent by occupation. Mason (talk) 04:54, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Support per given reasoning. Also only one page in the politician cat 104.232.119.107 (talk) 07:24, 13 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 10:36, 13 May 2024 (UTC)


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Category:Jules Dassin
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 * The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure) Queen of Hearts  ( talk ) 00:19, 21 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Propose deleting jules dassin
 * Nominator's rationale: Unnecessary eponymous parent category for one subcategory of films. Star cheers peaks news lost wars Talk to me 04:42, 13 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Delete per WP:OCEPON. Marcocapelle (talk) 10:52, 13 May 2024 (UTC)


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Category:Analysts of Ayodhya dispute
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Category:Political linguistics
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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) House Blaster  (talk · he/him) 01:30, 21 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Political linguistics to Category:Sociolinguistics
 * Nominator's rationale: Upmerge/delete. This category contains one page and a redirect, which isn't helpful for navigation. Mason (talk) 02:56, 13 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Delete, I don't think the article belongs in Category:Sociolinguistics. Marcocapelle (talk) 10:59, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
 * thoughts on deleting?<span id="HouseBlaster:1716253709463:WikipediaFTTCLNCategories_for_discussion/Log/2024_May_13" class="FTTCmt"> House Blaster  (talk · he/him) 01:08, 21 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Also fine with me Mason (talk) 01:11, 21 May 2024 (UTC)


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Category:Centro de Estudios Puertorriqueños faculty
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Category:NBA 2K players
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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. Discussion about the categorization of Brent Petway can take place at Talk:Brent Petway. (non-admin closure) House Blaster  (talk · he/him) 01:07, 21 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:NBA 2K players to Category:NBA 2K
 * Nominator's rationale: Only one subject in category Let&#39;srun (talk) 02:05, 13 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Delete, not a defining characteristic. (If not deleted, merge per nom.) Marcocapelle (talk) 04:37, 14 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Delete per Marco. Being in the video game is not defining for the sole member. Queen of Hearts  ( talk ) 00:16, 21 May 2024 (UTC)


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Category:19th-century Canadian people (post-Confederation)
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 * The result of the discussion was: merge (non-admin closure) Queen of Hearts  ( talk ) 00:15, 21 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Propose merging Category:19th-century Canadian people (post-Confederation) to Category:19th-century Canadian people
 * Nominator's rationale: Non-defining intersection between century and confederation status. There isn't a Canadian people (post-Confederation) category. Mason (talk) 00:41, 13 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Comment, the problem is rather in pre-Confederation Canada, when Canada did not yet exist and the term British North America is controversial. Marcocapelle (talk) 12:06, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Canada did not mean all of what you now know as Canada in that era, but it most certainly did exist. A person from the pre-1867 Province of Canada most certainly was a Canadian; a person from the pre-Durham provinces of Upper Canada and Lower Canada most certainly was a Canadian. Bearcat (talk) 22:11, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Category:19th-century Canadian people also contains people before the confederation who were not from Upper or Lower Canada. Marcocapelle (talk) 04:46, 14 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Which can be easily fixed by creating the more appropriate categories and moving those people to them, and doesn't require this. Until better categories for where they were really from actually exist, however, categorizing pre-confederation New Brunswickers or Newfoundlanders as "Canadian", while certainly not ideal, remains preferable to leaving them completely out of the entire tree. Bearcat (talk) 15:41, 16 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Merge per nom. The question of whether a person died before or after 1867 isn't particularly relevant in this context; as I explained above, a person from Upper Canada/Canada West or Lower Canada/Canada East between 1791 and 1867 was still very much a Canadian. Bearcat (talk) 22:11, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Can you please convey that to the JPL? I've tried again on his talk page, and there's just no reasoning with him.Mason (talk) 03:48, 20 May 2024 (UTC)


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Category:Fran Saleški Finžgar
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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) House Blaster  (talk · he/him) 01:07, 21 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting fran saleški finžgar
 * Propose deleting works by fran saleški finžgar
 * Propose merging Category:Novels by Fran Saleški Finžgar to Category:Slovenian novels
 * Nominator's rationale: Delete for now. This entire category tree only has two pages in it: the author and one novel they work, which isn't helpful for navigation. (Notably it has just as many categories as pages). Mason (talk) 00:22, 13 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Just delete, the novel article is already in Category:Slovene-language novels and Slovenia did not yet exist. Marcocapelle (talk) 12:08, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
 * thoughts on deleting?<span id="HouseBlaster:1716252439041:WikipediaFTTCLNCategories_for_discussion/Log/2024_May_13" class="FTTCmt"> House Blaster  (talk · he/him) 00:47, 21 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Deleting all is fine by me Mason (talk) 00:59, 21 May 2024 (UTC)


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Category:Fran Levstik
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 * The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure) Queen of Hearts  ( talk ) 00:14, 21 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Propose deleting fran levstik
 * Nominator's rationale: Delete for now. This category only has two pages in it, the author and the list of their works. That's not helpful for navigation. Mason (talk) 00:20, 13 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Comment I don't object to deletion. Thanks for the notification. --TadejM my talk 03:02, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Delete per WP:OCEPON. Marcocapelle (talk) 04:47, 14 May 2024 (UTC)


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Category:Fujiwara no Shunzei
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 * The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure) Queen of Hearts  ( talk ) 00:14, 21 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Propose merging Category:Fujiwara no Shunzei to Category:Hyakunin Isshu poets
 * Nominator's rationale: Upmerge for now. This category only has two pages in it. One of which is the author's work and the other is the author. That's not helpful for navigation. Mason (talk) 00:17, 13 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Delete per WP:OCEPON. Do not merge, the article about the work does not belong in a poets category. Marcocapelle (talk) 04:49, 14 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Delete's fine with me Mason (talk) 03:49, 20 May 2024 (UTC)


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