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Central Bohemian Region geography stubs

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 * The result of the discussion was: keep and populate the templates. (non-admin closure) House Blaster  (talk · he/him) 18:14, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting


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 * Nominator's rationale: Unused stub templates. –LaundryPizza03 ( d c̄ ) 21:45, 16 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Comment: All of these stub types are contained within Category:Central Bohemian Region geography stubs and have been combined into one. –LaundryPizza03 ( d c̄ ) 21:45, 16 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Support, I checked "what links here" for the first two and no article popped up. Is there a more easy way to check this? Marcocapelle (talk) 07:02, 17 May 2024 (UTC)
 * I identified all of the categories that contained only a stub template. –Laundry<b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d c̄ ) 20:05, 17 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Fair enough. Marcocapelle (talk) 22:28, 17 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Support. Czech geo-stubs are uniformly sorted by regions and there is no reason to sort one unsystematically by districts. Yes, the Central Bohemian Region is bigger than the others, but even so, it is not over-sized per Stub On the contrary, division by district would cause that they would by under-sized stub categories (currently, the average per district is 62 stubs and the number is decreasing). FromCzech (talk) 06:48, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Keep per standard WPSS practice and populate. There is clear evidence that the templates and categories were originally acknowledged for use at WP:WPSS (they are listed here). It seems that actually using the templates was overlooked rather than discouraged. There is also clear evidence that they would be useful - the Central Bohemia category was over the limit at which it should be split at WPSS (600 stubs). It seems that simply no-one got round to populating them. This not "unsystematic" - Central Bohemia is the only region of the Czech Republic to have reached the 600 stub threshold for splitting. Others are getting close, but are not there yet. I've populated two of the categories, both of which are over the threshold, but have now paused at the request of User:FromCzech, despite all I am doing is using the stub templates as they were intended. If the categories do not measure up to the 60+ stubs needed for each, then they can be upmerged with no prejudice against them being re-created if and when they meet the required 60 stub standard. In any case, the original proposal, of deleting the templates, is flawed. If the templates were malformed or not in accordance to stub sorting practice, they would be deleted, but these should simply be upmerged to the main category as per standard stub-sorting practice, with the categories proposed for deletion. Have a look at, say  to see this practice in action. The easiest way to tell whether they reach that standard already is to stub them appropriately, which should happen anyway if there are better stub templates available, which there are. As such, I am simply following standard practice for WPSS - and also for CFD, in which there is long-standing tradition that if it can be shown that a category is useful (which in stub-sorting means reaching the 60-stub threshold) it will likely be kept. PS: If they are a historical relic, as FromCzech suggests, then they should not be categorised within the permcats for the various districts (e.g., ) and the whole of the Central Bohemia catalogue tree needs to be changed. Grutness...  wha?   05:56, 19 May 2024 (UTC)
 * I see. Well if someone is going to populate them, I wouldn't mind of course. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:07, 19 May 2024 (UTC)
 * I will once says it's OK to :) Grutness...  wha?   08:48, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
 * I have some stupid questions and comments because I don't know much about stub-sorting and English is not my native language, so maybe I didn't understand something. First, districts were included in WikiProject Stub sorting/Stub types/Geography in 2010 – that's pretty out of date and should be updated, not taken as the 2024 standard. Considering the number of municipalities in the region, there were about 1,100 stubs at that time and today the situation is different. From this point of view, I called them a historical relic.
 * Second, where does the 600+ stub limit come from? I couldn't find it anywhere in WP. The definition of over-sized category is 800+. The Central Bohemian Region stub category has been below 800 for a long time, currently around 740 stubs. That's not much. It is consistent within the country and better than splitting it into undersized stub categories, or having half in the main category and half split. (Out of 12 districts, 2 districts would currently have approx. 80 stubs, 4 districts would have 60–70 stubs and 6 districts under 60. Even the largest categories are small). I don't understand exactly what the upmerge is, but anyway I think that whether the categories get deleted or not, they shouldn't be used. FromCzech (talk) 18:56, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
 * The Stub types list is a list of stub types created and used by the Stub-sorting WikiProject. Stub types on it don't become archaic - they're simply added to when more types come along. The templates themselves are rarely deleted, though they may get redirected to a parent ctegory or become redirects to a more basic stub template. As to the 600... hmm, I note that Stub says 800, but the WikiProject has been using 600 as a threshold for many years. An upmerge simply means that the template would be kept, but that rather than pointing to a specific category, it would point to the parent - e.g., would populsate the main  rather than a separate Kutná Hora category. This is frequently done with stub types - templates used on over 60 articles would be split out into their own categories, ones that don't get that many would simply populate the parent category. So in this case, four districts would keep their stub categories, the rest would be umpmerged into the main category. PS - not a silly question - stubs are complicated. And if my Czech was as good as your English, I'd be very happy! :) Grutness...  wha?   04:43, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
 * If 600+ is just an unwritten rule, we don't have to stick to it. In theory, there could be a situation where there would be 12 categories of 59 stubs each, giving over 700. This shows that 600–800 should remain a gray area, where division should only follow if it clearly makes sense and not where it is not systematic.
 * If there are no stub categories by district and in other regions, the unwritten rules of stubsorting cannot convince me that they should remain in the CB region, even upmerged. They should disappear so that the region is dealt with in the same way as the others. But I believe that within eight weeks I will reduce the number of stubs in all 60+ CB districts so that there will be no controversy left and everyone will be satisfied. FromCzech (talk) 17:52, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Even if you regard 600-800 as a grey area where categories are not needed, the templates should still remain. They are accepted or use by the stub-sorting project and is clearly systematic given the identical splits for large categories in other countries - and templates are already created and upmerged for some other Czech regions (e.g., Jihlava-geo-stub, Pardubice-geo-stub). If you wish for the categories to be upmerged, that is fine (though unusual in the case of subcategories that clearly pass the 60-stub threshold), but there is no logic whatsoever to removing templates that were proposed and approved for creation for use by stub sorters. Simply upmerging them will save a lot of work later when (far more likely than if) the category reaches 800 stubs. Grutness... wha?   13:19, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
 * OK, if upmerge means that, like the examples you mentioned, the category will not be used and will only remain available in case of a sudden rise in stubs, then let them stay there for now. But if in 3+ years it turns out that the CB region has less than 600 stubs and they are not needed in the long term, then their existence should be re-evaluated for the sake of systematicity (as well as the remaining 7 stub categories of districts, a total of 19 districts out of 76, representing 2,5 out of 13 regions – there really isn't a system to it). Given WP:NGEO and the constant decline of stubs, a rise above 800 is unlikely. FromCzech (talk) 18:00, 25 May 2024 (UTC)


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Template:Wisconsin-road-stub
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Template:WestIndies-cricket-season-stub
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Template:WashingtonCountyID-geo-stub
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Category:North American sports venue stubs
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Category:Ecuadorian company stubs
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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) House Blaster  (talk · he/him) 20:41, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting ecuadorian company stubs
 * Nominator's rationale: Unused stub template. –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d c̄ ) 21:29, 16 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Delete category. The template already feeds into its parents. Grutness... wha?   03:59, 18 May 2024 (UTC)


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Template:Bhutan-tv-stub
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Template:2020s-Western-film-stub
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Template:1960s-Tamil-film-stub
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Template:1950s-UK-single-stub
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Category:ZeniMax Media stubs
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North Yorkshire geography stubs
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Category:Ranellidae stubs
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 * The result of the discussion was: merge. (non-admin closure) House Blaster  (talk · he/him) 20:58, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Ranellidae stubs to Category:Hypsogastropoda stubs
 * Nominator's rationale: Only 6 articles. –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d c̄ ) 21:10, 16 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:04, 17 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Merge per nom. Grutness... wha?   03:59, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Merge per nom. -- Lenticel ( talk ) 00:15, 20 May 2024 (UTC)


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Shoot 'em up stub subtypes
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 * The result of the discussion was: merge. (non-admin closure) House Blaster  (talk · he/him) 20:33, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Propose merging to Category:Shoot 'em up stubs
 * Propose merging to Category:Shoot 'em up stubs
 * Propose merging to Category:Shoot 'em up stubs
 * Nominator's rationale: Insufficiently large stub categories that together are barely smaller than the parent stub category, . –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d c̄ ) 21:09, 16 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:00, 17 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Merge per nom. Grutness... wha?   03:59, 18 May 2024 (UTC)


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Category:Quintana Roo radio station stubs
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 * The result of the discussion was: merge. (non-admin closure) House Blaster  (talk · he/him) 20:54, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Quintana Roo radio station stubs to Category:Southern Mexico radio station stubs
 * Nominator's rationale: Too small; only extant stub category for Quintana Roo. –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d c̄ ) 21:05, 16 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:05, 17 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Merge per nom, and play some Wall of Voodoo. Also either fix or delete the malformed template (should be QuintanaRoo-radio-station-stub). Grutness... wha?   03:59, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Merge per nom. -- Lenticel ( talk ) 00:15, 20 May 2024 (UTC)


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Category:Queensland river stubs
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 * The result of the discussion was: merge. (non-admin closure) House Blaster  (talk · he/him) 20:51, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Queensland river stubs to Category:Queensland geography stubs
 * Nominator's rationale: Insufficient contents to justify a standalone category for this stub type. –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d c̄ ) 21:03, 16 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:06, 17 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Merge per nom -- Lenticel ( talk ) 03:13, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Merge per nom. Grutness... wha?   03:59, 18 May 2024 (UTC)


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Category:Queen Elizabeth Land geography stubs
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 * The result of the discussion was: merge. (non-admin closure) House Blaster  (talk · he/him) 20:56, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Queen Elizabeth Land geography stubs to Category:Antarctica geography stubs
 * Nominator's rationale: Insufficiently large to justify a standalone stub category. The associated stub category, QueenElizabethLand-geo-stub, will probably be kept. –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d c̄ ) 20:59, 16 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Upmerge category. Make that "The associated stub template [...] will definitely be kept" and I agree. It looks like a lot of small stub articles on individual mountains, nunataks, etc., have been merged into articles on mountain ranges, which makes sense. A shame, since the basic Antarctica geo-cat had been completely subdivided and now a second subcat's being merged back into it. Took me months to do that! Grutness... wha?   05:18, 17 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Merge per nom. Keeping the stub template is default in a nomination like this, isn't it? Marcocapelle (talk) 07:08, 17 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Yes. Grutness... wha?   03:59, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Merge per nom -- Lenticel ( talk ) 03:14, 18 May 2024 (UTC)


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Category:Qarchak County geography stubs
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 * The result of the discussion was: merge. (non-admin closure) House Blaster  (talk · he/him) 20:46, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Qarchak County geography stubs to Category:Tehran Province geography stubs
 * Nominator's rationale: Insufficient contents to warrant a separate stub category. The associated stub template, Qarchak-geo-stub, will not be deleted due to its systematic nature. –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d c̄ ) 20:55, 16 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:09, 17 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Merge per nom. Grutness... wha?   03:59, 18 May 2024 (UTC)


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Category:Arabian Gulf Futsal Cup
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 * The result of the discussion was: rename (non-admin closure) House Blaster  (talk · he/him) 20:45, 24 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Propose renaming Category:Arabian Gulf Futsal Cup to Category:GCC Futsal Cup
 * Nominator's rationale: The GCC Futsal Cup page (the main page for this category) was moved to "Arabian Gulf Futsal Cup" in 2018 without any explanation or source for the name change. I have not found any evidence that the name of this tournament (which hasn't been held since 2015) was actually changed. Hence, I have moved the page back to GCC Futsal Cup and ask that the category also be moved back. Hashim-afc (talk) 20:05, 16 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related page discussions. GiantSnowman 17:47, 20 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Support per nom, to match parent article name. GiantSnowman 17:48, 20 May 2024 (UTC)


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Category:Alsatian people
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 * The result of the discussion was: merge (non-admin closure) House Blaster  (talk · he/him) 23:21, 24 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Propose merging Category:Alsatian people to Category:People from Alsace
 * Nominator's rationale: merge (or reverse merge), very overlapping categories. Article List of Alsatians and Lotharingians describes Alsatians as people from the region Alsace. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:35, 16 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Support. Seems reasonable to me. Mason (talk) 21:03, 24 May 2024 (UTC)


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Category:Languages of Alsace
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 * The result of the discussion was: merge (non-admin closure) House Blaster  (talk · he/him) 20:31, 24 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Propose merging Category:Languages of Alsace to Category:Culture in Alsace and Category:Languages of France
 * Nominator's rationale: merge, only one article in the category, this is not helpful for navigation. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:27, 16 May 2024 (UTC)


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Category:Tschugguel family
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 * The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure) House Blaster  (talk · he/him) 20:31, 24 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Propose deleting tschugguel family
 * Nominator's rationale: There are only two people in this category, which isn't helpful for navigation, and it is not clear how/if they are related. Delete for now, no objection to recreation if it becomes useful. Mason (talk) 19:03, 16 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Delete, per nom, so also it is not clear how/if they are related. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:30, 16 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom -- Lenticel ( talk ) 03:16, 18 May 2024 (UTC)


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Ancient law (before 6th century BC)
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 * The result of the discussion was: merge as nominated and to Category:13th-century BC works, Category:7th-century BC works, and Category:7th century BC in international relations as applicable. (non-admin closure) House Blaster  (talk · he/him) 23:18, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Propose merging to Category:Law in ancient history
 * Propose merging to Category:Law in ancient history
 * Propose merging to Category:Law in ancient history
 * Propose merging to Category:Ancient treaties
 * Propose merging to Category:Ancient treaties
 * Nominator's rationale: A collection of chronology categories that contain only one subcategory each; the 13th- and 7th-century BC subcategories also contain one article each, but Category:6th-century BC executions is excluded because it contains 5 articles. I think we will need a Category:Law by millennium tree to cover ancient laws, including ones that are even older than these categories (eg. Category:2nd-millennium BC executions, Code of Hammurabi from the 18th-century BC). –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d c̄ ) 18:16, 16 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Merge per nom, but merge the last two also to Category:13th-century BC works, Category:7th-century BC works and Category:7th century BC in international relations. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:45, 16 May 2024 (UTC)
 * You mean Category:7th century BC in international relations‎? –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d c̄ ) 21:31, 16 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Merge. Yep, that's what I think he meant, which seems like a good idea. Mason (talk) 00:50, 17 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Corrected accordingly. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:11, 17 May 2024 (UTC)


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 * only now I notice we already have a Category:Ancient law which should presumably be the merge target instead of creating a new Category:Law in ancient history. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:42, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
 * When this nomination was created, Category:Law in ancient history was a bluelink. It was speedily renamed to Category:Ancient law, and I adjusted the listing at WT:CFDW accordingly.<span id="HouseBlaster:1716652677109:WikipediaFTTCLNCategories_for_discussion/Log/2024_May_16" class="FTTCmt"> House Blaster  (talk · he/him) 15:57, 25 May 2024 (UTC)

Category:Jewish mimes
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 * The result of the discussion was: merge (non-admin closure) House Blaster  (talk · he/him) 20:31, 24 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Propose merging jewish mimes to jewish entertainers
 * Nominator's rationale: Per WP:OCEGRS User:Namiba 17:16, 16 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:48, 16 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Merge per nom -- Lenticel ( talk ) 03:17, 18 May 2024 (UTC)


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Category:Rajput clans of India
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 * The result of the discussion was: merge (non-admin closure) House Blaster  (talk · he/him) 20:30, 24 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Propose merging Category:Rajput clans of India to Category:Rajput clans
 * Nominator's rationale: Are there any not of India? * Pppery * <sub style="color:#800000">it has begun... 15:51, 16 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Merge, there is no point in splitting this between India and Pakistan. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:02, 16 May 2024 (UTC)


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Category:YouTubers of Jewish descent
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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) House Blaster  (talk · he/him) 21:06, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:YouTubers of Jewish descent to Category:Jewish YouTubers
 * Nominator's rationale: This category should either be renamed to match the current norm of Jewish FOOers. Or deleted/merged to YouTubers as being descended from Jewish people is not defining (as opposed to being Jewish, which might be in this case) Mason (talk) 13:58, 16 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Delete per WP:OCEGRS. All of the categories I looked at are already in a national or sub-national YouTubers category.--User:Namiba 16:45, 16 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Delete per Namiba. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:04, 16 May 2024 (UTC)
 * thoughts on deletion?<span id="HouseBlaster:1716582602033:WikipediaFTTCLNCategories_for_discussion/Log/2024_May_16" class="FTTCmt"> House Blaster  (talk · he/him) 20:30, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Even better! Mason (talk) 21:03, 24 May 2024 (UTC)


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Category:Louisville White Sox (1914-1915) players
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 * The result of the discussion was: rename (non-admin closure) House Blaster  (talk · he/him) 20:28, 24 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Propose renaming Category:Louisville White Sox (1914-1915) players to Category:Louisville White Sox (1914–1915) players
 * Nominator's rationale: This is an uncontroversial technical request but I don't see the option to indicate that using Twinkle. Dennis C. Abrams (talk) 13:48, 16 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Support per nom. Stefen Towers among the rest!   Gab • Gruntwerk 16:36, 16 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Support per nom. Omnis Scientia (talk) 22:00, 18 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Twinkle does offer the option of CFD/S in the menu on top of the screen. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:06, 16 May 2024 (UTC)


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Category:People from Ewloe
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 * The result of the discussion was: merge (non-admin closure) House Blaster  (talk · he/him) 20:28, 24 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Propose merging Category:People from Ewloe to Category:People from Flintshire
 * Nominator's rationale: Ewloe is a small village. Upmerge for now, until there's actually enough people to need diffusion Mason (talk) 12:59, 16 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:07, 16 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Merge per nom. Ham II (talk) 17:35, 21 May 2024 (UTC)


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Omaha people
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Category:French people of Lorrainian descent
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 * The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure) House Blaster  (talk · he/him) 20:44, 24 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Propose deleting french people of lorrainian descent
 * Nominator's rationale: delete, the category contains articles about French people who lived long after the Duchy of Lorraine was annexed by France: this happened end of the 18th century. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:07, 16 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Support per nom. This also doesn't really feel like a defining feature for any of the people in this category. Mason (talk) 13:00, 16 May 2024 (UTC)


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Category:Meuse-Argonne American Cemetery
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Category:Politics of Lorraine
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Category:Palestinian musicians by genre
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 * The result of the discussion was: merge (non-admin closure) House Blaster  (talk · he/him) 21:03, 24 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Propose merging Category:Palestinian musicians by genre to Category:Palestinian musicians
 * Nominator's rationale: Upmerge for now. There's only one category in here, which isn't helpful for navigation Mason (talk) 02:19, 16 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 03:14, 16 May 2024 (UTC)


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Category:Sikh monarchs
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 * The result of the discussion was: no consensus. (non-admin closure) House Blaster  (talk · he/him) 20:44, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Sikh monarchs to Category:Punjabi people and Category:Jat rulers
 * Nominator's rationale: dual merge, redundant category layer with only two subcategories. Marcocapelle (talk) 12:11, 26 April 2024 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Qwerfjkl  talk  11:49, 4 May 2024 (UTC) Relisting comment: Thoughts on the alt proposal? Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, House Blaster  (talk · he/him) 01:56, 16 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Alt proposal: upmerge Category:Sikh monarchs to Category:Monarchs by religion, purge Category:Maharajas in Punjab (is in the Category:Monarchs in Asia tree). All other parents appear to be inappropriate: not all Sikhs are Punjabis and vice versa (e.g. Punjabi Muslims), not all Jats are Sikhs and vice versa (e.g. Jat Muslim), and not all Maharajas in Punjab were necessarily Sikhs, and it is WP:NONDEFINING for the category (tree) as such; after all, geography defines the Category:Monarchs in Asia tree, and so does Maharajas in Punjab (emphasis by me). In short, there's a lot of generalisation and WP:ARBITRARYCAT going on in this tree. The only thing that really works is placing Category:Sikh emperors into Category:Monarchs by religion; hence my Alt proposal. NLeeuw (talk) 14:03, 26 April 2024 (UTC)
 * The parents seem to be inappropriate but they do fit the content. All Sikhs in this category are Punjabis, all Jats in this category are Sikhs. The content of this category shouldn't be moved out of the Punjabi or Jat tree. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:14, 26 April 2024 (UTC)
 * That they do fit the content is irrelevant; we've got other trees for that. Chand Kaur is already in Category:Punjabi women, for example. Btw Duleep Singh was a Christian for several decades, so we can't assume all of them to have been Sikhs ever. If we really wanna categorise all that in 1 category, then we should rename them Category:Punjabi Sikh Jat emperors or something. NLeeuw (talk) 16:26, 26 April 2024 (UTC)
 * The nomination is to merge Sikh monarchs, so the fact whether or not they were Sikhs becomes moot. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:16, 26 April 2024 (UTC)
 * What do you mean? That being a Sikh is WP:NONDEFINING for Sikh monarchs? We do have a Category:Monarchs by religion tree, you know? NLeeuw (talk) 11:58, 4 May 2024 (UTC)
 * That is a fair point. Then I will withdraw this nomination. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:31, 4 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Okay, you could do that. But wouldn't you agree with my Alt proposal then? NLeeuw (talk) 21:58, 4 May 2024 (UTC)
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 * Both the original and the alt proposal ignore the fact that it is part of the Category:Monarchs by religion tree. Marcocapelle (talk) 03:13, 16 May 2024 (UTC)


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Category:Albanian rights activists
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 * The result of the discussion was: merge to Category:Albanian nationalists in Kosovo and purge Category:Activists of the Albanian National Awakening‎. (non-admin closure) House Blaster  (talk · he/him) 21:01, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Albanian rights activists to Category:Activists for Albanian rights
 * Nominator's rationale: I think we should rename this category so it is easier to distinguish from Albanian activists. I think that this category is supposed to be Activists who advocate for the rights of Albanian people, as opposed to activists who are albanian nationals. Similar categories like this one are Category:Activists for Hispanic and Latino American civil rights & Category:Activists for African-American civil rights Mason (talk) 22:24, 8 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Support per nom. NLeeuw (talk) 06:16, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Support per nom. Bohemian Baltimore (talk) 08:31, 9 May 2024 (UTC)

Relisting comment: Comments on the deletion proposal would be very much appreciated! (If there is no further participation, I would expect this discussion would result in a rename.) Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, House Blaster  (talk · he/him) 01:48, 16 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Delete, the content is about Albanian nationalism rather than about civil rights. Marcocapelle (talk) 13:59, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Could this category be merged into Category:Albanian nationalists? Bohemian Baltimore (talk) 03:57, 16 May 2024 (UTC)
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 * please comment on the alt deletion proposal. Marcocapelle (talk) 03:16, 16 May 2024 (UTC)
 * I'm not opposed to purging. But there are folks in there like Ali Aliu, who seems to be defined by both his nationalism and his support of rights of ethnic albanians. Mason (talk) 04:12, 16 May 2024 (UTC)
 * All 5 people in this category seem to be ethnic Albanians in Kosovo who were/are opposed to oppression of Kosovo Albanians by Serbs, as well as nationalists who sought independence or unification with Albania. But it is a mixed bag. One is a militant rebel, another is an educator. I suppose we could Merge them all to Category:Albanian nationalists in Kosovo, where 3 out of 5 of them already are. The subcategory has nothing to do with Kosovo per se, and should be Purged. NLeeuw (talk) 06:15, 16 May 2024 (UTC)
 * That is a very satisfactory solution. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:36, 16 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Sounds good! Mason (talk) 00:51, 17 May 2024 (UTC)


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Category:Cartoon Network stubs
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