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Category:Buildings Downtown Portland, Oregon

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge (non-admin closure) House Blaster  (talk · he/him) 15:16, 2 June 2024 (UTC)


 * Propose merging Category:Buildings Downtown Portland, Oregon to Category:Buildings and structures in Portland, Oregon
 * Nominator's rationale: -- Another Believer ( Talk ) 14:06, 12 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Hi. It's the "Downtown" that distinguishes this category. Portland is a major city with many distinct neighborhoods. It would be helpful to look up buildings by neighborhood, rather than lumping every building in the city together. Thanks. Pickwiki (talk) 15:44, 12 May 2024 (UTC)
 * If you're going to create subcategories, then I'd suggest Category:Buildings and structures in North Portland, Oregon, Category:Buildings and structures in Northeast Portland, Oregon, Category:Buildings and structures in Northwest Portland, Oregon, Category:Buildings and structures in South Portland, Oregon, Category:Buildings and structures in Southeast Portland, Oregon, and Category:Buildings and structures in Southwest Portland, Oregon, based on Category:North Portland, Oregon, Category:Northeast Portland, Oregon, Category:Northwest Portland, Oregon, Category:South Portland, Oregon, Category:Southeast Portland, Oregon, and Category:Southwest Portland, Oregon. -- Another Believer ( Talk ) 22:21, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
 * If kept, rename to Category:Buildings and structures in Downtown Portland, Oregon. No opinion on whether than warrants a category. * Pppery * it has begun... 16:47, 12 May 2024 (UTC)
 * @Pppery I've proposed a different way to subcategorize above, if you are interested in revisiting this discussion. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 22:22, 13 May 2024 (UTC)

Relisting comment: Merge or rename? Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, House Blaster  (talk · he/him) 21:26, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Merge, no other neighborhoods in Portland have their own subcategory while that would be more interesting. It is too obvious that many notable buildings are in downtown. If not merged, rename to Category:Buildings and structures in Downtown Portland, Oregon for better grammar. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:52, 12 May 2024 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Merge per nom. Omnis Scientia (talk) 21:52, 26 May 2024 (UTC)


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Category:Art awards by country

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 ( d c̄ ) 02:50, 3 June 2024 (UTC)


 * Propose renaming Category:Art awards by country to Category:Visual arts awards by country
 * Propose renaming Category:Australian art awards‎ to Category:Australian visual arts awards
 * Propose renaming Category:Bangladeshi art awards‎‎ to Category:Bangladeshi visual arts awards
 * Propose renaming Category:British art awards‎‎ to Category:British visual arts awards
 * Propose renaming Category:Canadian art awards‎ to Category:Canadian visual arts awards
 * Propose renaming Category:Danish art awards‎ to Category:Danish visual arts awards
 * Propose renaming Category:Dutch art awards‎ to Category:Dutch visual arts awards
 * Propose renaming Category:French art awards‎ to Category:French visual arts awards
 * Propose renaming Category:German art awards‎‎ to Category:German visual arts awards
 * Propose renaming Category:Indian art awards‎ to Category:Indian visual arts awards
 * Propose renaming Category:Italian art awards‎ to Category:Italian visual arts awards
 * Propose renaming Category:Japanese art awards‎ to Category:Japanese visual arts awards
 * Propose renaming Category:New Zealand art awards‎ to Category:New Zealand visual arts awards
 * Propose renaming Category:Pakistani art awards‎ to Category:Pakistani visual arts awards
 * Propose renaming Category:Russian art awards‎ to Category:Russian visual arts awards
 * Propose renaming Category:Slovenian art awards‎‎ to Category:Slovenian visual arts awards
 * Propose renaming Category:South African art awards‎ to Category:South African visual arts awards
 * Propose renaming Category:Ukrainian art awards‎‎ to Category:Ukrainian visual arts awards
 * Propose renaming Category:European art awards‎ to Category:European visual arts awards


 * Nominator's rationale: There's a bit of an inconsistency issue in this category tree that's causing some confusion. All of the subcategories here are named "X art awards" except the American one, which is -- but the parent category is  rather than "Art awards", which resulted in me having to do a major cleanup run to move a whole lot of articles that had been left in the parent instead of being moved to any of these subcategories, potentially because these are named differently than the parent and thus people didn't realize they existed. Bearcat (talk) 21:18, 25 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Oppose, this old chestnut keeps rearing it's ugly head, Art is not a sub-category of Visual arts and Category:Art awards by country has been incorrectly categorised subsequently to its creation. Category:Arts awards by country etc would be a better parent category. "Art" includes more than just the 'visual'. Sionk (talk) 21:35, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
 * "Art" includes more than just the 'visual'. Indeed. The recent CfR on art festivals (see below) established that music / dance festivals and literary festivals are not considered "visual arts" festivals, but they are "art festivals". If musical/dance and literary artists are suddenly excluded and disqualified from membership in this tree, that has a lot of consequences. We need to work out the semantics first, and then assess the consequences any changes would have for the category tree. NLeeuw (talk) 06:28, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Rename per nom and if there are any articles about awards that are not for visual arts then move them to a new Category:Art awards. Sionk has a point but by just opposing we don't solve the problem that Bearcat put on the table. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:51, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
 * That is basically recommending renaming these categories then recreating them again. The sensible approach would be to extend the "Visual arts" tree, if that is what Bearcat thinks is needed. Sionk (talk) 12:28, 26 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Rename per nom and also support Marco's proposal. Omnis Scientia (talk) 10:48, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Comment Sionk's commentary is worth examining. I'll add that Categories for discussion/Log/2024 May 14 was recently withdrawn by nom who couldn't justify renaming "art" to "visual arts" on second consideration. We need to consider the semantics and consequences for the tree. (Not voting on this proposal yet myself). NLeeuw (talk) 05:36, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Rename all per nom and also support Marco's proposal. We have "considered the semantics and consequences for the tree" many times, and they would be very extensive, not worth the trouble, and introduce large numbers of clashes between article and category names. So don't let's do that. We know that there are senses of "Art" that include literature etc, but the restriction in many if not most contexts of "art" to visual art, and Arts for the wider sense is normative in English, and Sionk should learn to live with that. In category names, with no immediate accompanying text, more precision may be needed, hence my support.  Johnbod (talk) 15:28, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Rename per nom. In places where "art" proves to be a confusing term for some (I myself don't have any trouble with it) we should remove the ambiguity by having only "arts" or "visual arts", as appropriate. Ham II (talk) 15:47, 29 May 2024 (UTC)


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Category:Turkic Sufi saints

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) House Blaster  (talk · he/him) 02:55, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Turkic Sufi saints to Category:Sufi saints
 * Nominator's rationale: There have been several cfds that found that Turkic foos aren't defining. It looks like this category was missed. Mason (talk) 21:17, 25 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Delete and move Taptuk Emre and Ahmad Yasawi and the subcategory to Category:Sufi saints. The other articles are already in Category:Bengali Sufi saints or Category:Sufi saints from the Ottoman Empire. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:58, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
 * thoughts on Marcocapelle's proposal? House Blaster  (talk · he/him) 00:33, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Fine with me, sounds like a good solution Mason (talk) 00:49, 2 June 2024 (UTC)


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Category:Singles by decade by record label

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge as nominated. (non-admin closure) House Blaster  (talk · he/they) 20:17, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Singles by decade by record label, Category:2000s Atlantic Records singles, Category:2010s Atlantic Records singles, Category:2020s Atlantic Records singles, Category:2000s Island Records singles, Category:2010s Island Records singles, Category:2020s Island Records singles, Category:Atlantic Records singles by decade, and Category:Island Records singles by decade to Category:Atlantic Records singles, Category:Island Records singles, various singles-by-year categories as appropriate and delete the main container cat.
 * Nominator's rationale: No need to break them up by decade--that would be better handled with a discography anyway--and no need to have the scheme Category:Singles by decade (in the 21st century only) and record label. ―Justin ( koa v f ) ❤T☮C☺M☯ 02:52, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Comment, there was already a discussion about this. Sahaib (talk) 05:40, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Thanks, House Blaster  (talk · he/him) 03:04, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Merge per nomination and my reasoning in the previous nomination linked by Sahaib. Star cheers peaks news lost wars Talk to me 00:12, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
 * would you be able to detail exactly which categories you want merged where? Ideally in the form


 * [Decades Atlantic Records singles] -> Category:Atlantic Records singles
 * [Decades Island Records singles] -> Category:Island Records singles.
 * This will make Category:Atlantic Records singles by decade, Category:Island Records singles by decade, and Category:Singles by decade by record label empty, so they should be deleted. ―Justin ( koa v f ) ❤T☮C☺M☯ 03:17, 3 June 2024 (UTC)


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Category:Officers of Ipswich Corporation
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 * The result of the discussion was: merge Category:Officers of Ipswich Corporation and Category:Ipswich Corporation to Category:History of Ipswich. (non-admin closure) House Blaster  (talk · he/him) 00:03, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Officers of Ipswich Corporation to Category:Ipswich Corporation
 * Nominator's rationale: Upmerge. There is only one page here, which isn't helpful for navigation. I strongly encourage the category creator not to create categories with only one page in them. Mason (talk) 00:53, 17 May 2024 (UTC)

Relisting comment: Thoughts on Marcocapelle's proposal? Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, House Blaster  (talk · he/him) 21:04, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Merge with Category:Ipswich Corporation to Category:History of Ipswich. It is very unhelpful to create a separate category for every article. I will tag Category:Ipswich Corporation too. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:47, 17 May 2024 (UTC)
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 * Even better! Mason (talk) 21:33, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Merge per Marco. Omnis Scientia (talk) 21:56, 25 May 2024 (UTC)


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Category:Alder carrs
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Category:Romanian people by ethnic or national origin and occupation
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 * The result of the discussion was: merge (non-admin closure) House Blaster  (talk · he/him) 00:05, 2 June 2024 (UTC)


 * Propose merging Category:Romanian people by ethnic or national origin and occupation to Category:Romanian people by occupation
 * Nominator's rationale: merge, redundant category layer with only two subcategories. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:53, 17 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Keep. I don't see anything inherently wrong with the category. It could get larger if we made categories for other numerous minorities in Romania like Germans or Roma. I also see we already have an American equivalent, Category:American people by ethnic or national origin and occupation. Super   Ψ   Dro  21:43, 18 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Keep — nothing wrong with having only two subcategories, and as noted by Super Dromaeosaurus, there is potential for at least two more. — Biruitorul Talk 21:58, 18 May 2024 (UTC)

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 * Delete — Except for politicians (as Romania posits itself as a nation state, ethnic politicians often represent the interests of ethnic minorities), such association in entirely irrelevant and should not exists, per WP:EGRS. If somebody wants a random category intersection, there are tools out there that can create it using existing categories. Anonimu (talk) 15:32, 20 May 2024 (UTC)
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 * Delete per nom. The two keep votes are both implicitly referencing SMALLCAT with mention of potential for growth. SMALLCAT is not longer a a criteria to keep a category. If ether of the keeps want to make more well populated categories that's great, but until then, the category is unhelpful for navigation. Mason (talk) 02:13, 26 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Merge per nom. --Aldij (talk) 08:11, 29 May 2024 (UTC)


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Category:Conspiracist media
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 * The result of the discussion was: keep. (non-admin closure) House Blaster  (talk · he/him) 22:05, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting conspiracist media
 * Nominator's rationale: This category contains medias that are mainstream, and most of these are from certain countries. Coddlebean (talk) 06:09, 9 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Weak delete; perhaps upmerge A lot of these are indeed conspiracist media, like InfoWars. But categories are not a place where we can verify their status as conspiracist. That's a job for reliable sources in articles. WP:RSP can help. But verification of membership is probably a time-consuming effort. If we don't do that verification regularly, this risks becoming a WP:SUBJECTIVECAT. But perhaps we should upmerge the category to its parents? NLeeuw (talk) 06:34, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Upmerging does not solve the problem, it just moves the problem to another place. Besides Category:Alternative media is certainly not a proper merge target. Marcocapelle (talk) 12:50, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Fair points. NLeeuw (talk) 08:24, 10 May 2024 (UTC)

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 * Lean to delete, considering the fact that many articles are already in a more specific subcategory of Category:Conspiracy theories I don't think this category adds much value in itself. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:06, 12 May 2024 (UTC)
 * keep These are not mainstream media; they are something else. Whether or not they are mostly from certain countries is beside the point; they are from wherever they are from.  Specific media outlets are quite different from specific theories and, as such, are not (and should not be) in the random set of articles I looked at in Category:Conspiracy theories. Hmains (talk) 18:16, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Keep, to distinguish between media promoting conspiracy theories and those merely investigating them. Paleontologist99 (talk) 16:28, 14 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Keep per . - Amigao (talk) 19:31, 20 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Keep per above AHI-3000 (talk) 19:47, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Populated places on the Underground Railroad
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 * The result of the discussion was: delete but manually add some places for which it is defining to the main category. (non-admin closure) House Blaster  (talk · he/him) 00:07, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting populated places on the underground railroad
 * Nominator's rationale: Specific buildings which served as stations on the Underground Railroad are absolutely defined by it but an entire town, city or county is usually not. In some cases, certain locales like New Bedford, Massachusetts were such hubs of the Underground Railroad that they should be kept in the main category but that can be done on a case by case basis. User:Namiba 15:30, 9 May 2024 (UTC)

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 * Delete per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 04:07, 10 May 2024 (UTC)
 * keep These are historically related places. They were certainly defining for these places during the historical period involved here: 1840s and 1850s in the United States.  These illegal activities were something that many people in a place were at least silently aware of and did not bring to the attention of law enforcement. In many cases, the articles do not point to a specific building(s) so there is no use in thinking that will keep tying these together, as they should be. Hmains (talk) 18:51, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Is it defining though? In most cases, no. Neither Portland, Maine nor most other cities are not defined by the fact that they had a stop in the Underground Railroad. For cities which are defined as such, they can and should be categorized within the tree. If you can show otherwise, I will withdraw the nomination.--User:Namiba 17:07, 14 May 2024 (UTC)
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 * Delete per nom. Omnis Scientia (talk) 21:52, 25 May 2024 (UTC)


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Category:Religious buildings and structures destroyed in the Muslim period in the Indian subcontinent
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 * The result of the discussion was: no consensus. No prejudice against speedy renomination, seems like there's potential for a different rename target.  (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  18:04, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Religious buildings and structures destroyed in the Muslim period in the Indian subcontinent to Category:Hindu temples destroyed during the Muslim period in the Indian subcontinent
 * Nominator's rationale: rename per actual content. They are all Hindu temples. Marcocapelle (talk) 13:37, 9 May 2024 (UTC)

Relisting comment: Thoughts on the alt rename? Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, House Blaster  (talk · he/him) 00:50, 17 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Rename per nom. 08:23, 10 May 2024 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nederlandse Leeuw (talk • contribs)
 * Rename perhaps as Category:Religious structures destroyed during the Muslim period in the Indian subcontinent. The structures destroyed during that period include not just Hindu temples but also Jain and Buddhist ones (i.e., all idol-worshiping Indian religions). Rasnaboy (talk) 13:19, 16 May 2024 (UTC)
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 * User:Rasnaboy has just added Jain temples, Halebidu to the category. I suggest to move this article to Category:Destroyed temples and have the rename pursued as nominated. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:55, 17 May 2024 (UTC)
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 * Oppose nom. If they ever were "all Hindu temples", they are not now. More Buddhist structures could be added. But this is an unsatifactory category, on a highly sensitive issue. Many of the buildings have not really been "destroyed", though the generally rather chaotic articles are not good at clarifying the dates of remaining parts - Hoysaleswara Temple for example. Probably this is often unclear to historians - as is who did the damage. Hmmm. Johnbod (talk) 01:17, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Keep per Johnbod. --Aldij (talk) 09:04, 10 June 2024 (UTC) (blocked sock)
 * the fact that a number of the buildings have not really been destroyed is an interesting observation too. But what should we do about it? (Rename differently, purge, delete?) Marcocapelle (talk) 18:09, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Rename to Category:Religious buildings and structures in the Indian subcontinent damaged in the Muslim period - sounds a bit lame I know> Is "sacked" any better? Johnbod (talk) 22:41, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Yes, I like "sacked", it does mean something serious happened. "Damaged" is a bit lame indeed. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:24, 11 June 2024 (UTC)


 * Keep per Johnbod - there's no need to make this category more specific when the applicability both parts of the new name is apparently disputed. * Pppery * <sub style="color:#800000">it has begun... 03:54, 28 June 2024 (UTC)


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Category:History of Great Britain
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Category:Palestinian American activists for Palestinian solidarity
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 * The result of the discussion was: merge (non-admin closure) House Blaster  (talk · he/him) 22:05, 1 June 2024 (UTC)


 * Propose splitting Category:Palestinian American activists for Palestinian solidarity to Category:American people of Palestinian descent and Category:American activists for Palestinian solidarity
 * Nominator's rationale: Dual merge. This is an extremely narrow intersection of activists for a specific cause, intersecting with nationality and ethnicity. Mason (talk) 19:30, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Dual merge per nom. Omnis Scientia (talk) 10:48, 26 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Dual merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:28, 25 May 2024 (UTC)


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Category:Middle Eastern anti-racism activists
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 * The result of the discussion was: merge (non-admin closure) House Blaster  (talk · he/him) 22:05, 1 June 2024 (UTC)


 * Propose merging Category:Middle Eastern anti-racism activists to Category:Anti-racism activists by nationality
 * Nominator's rationale: Redundant category lawyer with only three middle eastern nationalities in it. Mason (talk) 19:00, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Merge per nom. Omnis Scientia (talk) 10:49, 26 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:29, 25 May 2024 (UTC)


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Category:Yoruba Muslim leaders
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 * The result of the discussion was: rename (non-admin closure) House Blaster  (talk · he/him) 02:55, 2 June 2024 (UTC)


 * Propose renaming Category:Yoruba Muslim leaders to Category:Yoruba Muslim religious leaders
 * Nominator's rationale: rename per Category:Yoruba religious leaders. This category was at WP:CFDS for a different rename proposal. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:58, 25 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Category:Yoruba Muslim leaders to Category:Yoruba Muslim clergy – C2C: parent is Muslim clergy Mason (talk) 00:59, 19 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Oppose, not all articles in the category are about clergy. Marcocapelle (talk) 14:52, 19 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Move to full? Mason (talk) 12:35, 20 May 2024 (UTC)
 * fair enough, but I would advocate "religious leaders" rather than "clergy" per the other parent category. Religious leaders is broader than clergy. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:17, 20 May 2024 (UTC)
 * I'd be fine with religious leaders. Mason (talk) 22:26, 20 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Do not we have consensus here? Ymblanter (talk) 21:05, 21 May 2024 (UTC)
 * consensus yes, but C2C does not apply because the two parent categories have different formats (clergy vs religious leaders). If this were to be speedied, it could be done per WP:IAR. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:15, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
 * I see, someone should take it to the full discussion. Ymblanter (talk) 06:22, 23 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Support per nom. Mason (talk) 19:01, 25 May 2024 (UTC)


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Category:Terrorist incidents in Venezuela
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 * Propose splitting Category:Terrorist incidents in Venezuela to Category:Terrorist incidents in South America and Category:Terrorism in Venezuela
 * Nominator's rationale: Upmerge for now. This category only has one page in it and it's also not clear cut if the one page Attack on Fort Paramacay is terrorism. Mason (talk) 18:13, 25 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Dual merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:29, 25 May 2024 (UTC)


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Category:Male bacteriologists
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 * Propose merging Category:Male bacteriologists to Category:Bacteriologists
 * Nominator's rationale: Non-defining intersection between being male and a specific kind of biologist, under per WP:EGRS Mason (talk) 18:08, 25 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Just delete, the only article is already in Category:British bacteriologists. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:31, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Sounds good to me. Mason (talk) 19:46, 31 May 2024 (UTC)


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Category:Women speculative fiction editors
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 * Propose merging Category:Women speculative fiction editors to Category:Speculative fiction editors and Category:Women editors
 * Propose merging Category:Male speculative fiction editors to Category:Speculative fiction editors
 * Nominator's rationale: Non-defining intersection between editor, genre of editing, and gender. There's no male editor category in general. Mason (talk) 18:04, 25 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Merge per WP:OCEGRS, trivial intersection. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:08, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Question At which upward level will gender become WP:DEFINING? Or: At which downward level will gender become WP:NONDEFINING? Would parent Category:Women editors and potential parent Category:Women print editors also fail WP:OCEGRS as a trivial intersection? If so, then Merge and follow-up nomination. If not, then Keep and Re-parent Category:Women speculative fiction editors from Category:Women editors to Category:Women print editors. The current proposal seems a bit piecemeal, and not based on precedents of similar cases. There's no male X category in general is an argument that can be made for countless trees for which the female/women category (tree) has been found to be WP:DEFINING. NLeeuw (talk) 05:24, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
 * I agree that my nom was piecemeal, quite literally (if you look at the edit history). To answer @Nederlandse Leeuw, my point about male editors was that Category:Male speculative fiction editors did not have a gendered parent category, not that we should do away with the gendered editor category. In general, I think that the subject matter of the content that the editor is editing is not a defining intersection with gender, whereas the fact that one is female and an editor is defining given that the vocation has been described as a "gentleman's career" . In terms of the specific kind of publishing, film, magazine, etc that probably is worth keeping because most people are described as a film editor, magazine editor etc, rather than just as an editor.Mason (talk) 20:01, 31 May 2024 (UTC)


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Category:Michigan-Ontario Collegiate Conference football seasons
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 * Propose deleting michigan-ontario collegiate conference football seasons
 * Nominator's rationale: Only one subcategory. Let&#39;srun (talk) 01:49, 17 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Keep; part of well-established tree. Jweiss11 (talk) 01:50, 17 May 2024 (UTC)

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 * Delete per nom, categorization by year suffices in this case. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:27, 17 May 2024 (UTC)
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 * Comment Category is now empty. Liz <sup style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: #006400;">Read! Talk! 03:09, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
 * are you okay with deletion considering that it has been empty for a week? (It would be scheduled for WP:C1 deletion soon, but being listed at CFD preempts C1.)<span id="HouseBlaster:1717287641826:WikipediaFTTCLNCategories_for_discussion/Log/2024_May_25" class="FTTCmt"> House Blaster  (talk · he/him) 00:20, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Well, I guess we can delete this now. This category wasn’t empty when I commented above. It had a child category that was nominated separately. We can file this as another time-wasting, obstructionist XfD by Let’srun, the sort of behavior of his that is currently being discussed at ANI. The 1940 Lawrence Tech football article is now missing a needed 1940 season category. Someone should fix that. I’m mobile-only with limited editing ability for the next few days. Jweiss11 (talk) 00:38, 2 June 2024 (UTC)


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Category:Template Large category TOC on category with up to 1200 pages
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 * Propose merging to Category:Template Large category TOC on category with up to 1200 pages
 * Propose merging to Category:Template Large category TOC on category with up to 1200 pages
 * Propose merging to Category:Template Large category TOC on category with up to 1200 pages
 * Propose merging to Category:Template Large category TOC on category with up to 1200 pages
 * Nominator's rationale: We have sub-tracking categories either to avoid a massive parent category or because different situations require different fixes. The category tree is currently empty, so it is not the first one. And they all require the same fix (swapping to Automatic category TOC; you don't need a large TOC for categories which have fewer than 1200 members). Therefore, there is no need for this amount of granular detail; one tracking category is plenty. (See also Categories for discussion/Log/2024 May 23.) House Blaster  (talk · he/him) 15:50, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Merge all as empty maintenance categories with little likelihood of use. –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d c̄ ) 02:54, 3 June 2024 (UTC)


 * Merge per nom. --Aldij (talk) 09:03, 10 June 2024 (UTC) (blocked sock)


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Category:Template Category TOC on category with X–Y pages
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 * Propose merging category to Category:Template Category TOC tracking categories
 * Propose merging category to Category:Template Category TOC tracking categories
 * Propose merging category to Category:Template Category TOC tracking categories
 * Propose merging category to Category:Template Category TOC tracking categories
 * Nominator's rationale: After Categories for discussion/Log/2024 May 23, these are all redundant category layers with one subcategory. Merge all to Category:Template Category TOC tracking categories. House Blaster  (talk · he/him) 15:38, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Merge per nom. –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d c̄ ) 02:53, 3 June 2024 (UTC)


 * Merge per nom. --Aldij (talk) 13:07, 4 June 2024 (UTC) (blocked sock * Pppery * <sub style="color:#800000">it has begun... 04:05, 28 June 2024 (UTC))


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Category:Template Category TOC on category with over 1200 pages
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 * Propose merging Category:Template Category TOC on category with over 1200 pages to Category:Categories which use Category TOC without Automatic category TOC
 * Nominator's rationale: Following up on Categories for discussion/Log/2024 May 23, I think that this category makes the most sense as part of Category:Categories which use Category TOC without Automatic category TOC. (If a category does use Automatic category TOC and has more than 1200 pages, it will automatically use Large category TOC. Therefore, any category with more than 1200 pages with Category TOC does not use Automatic category TOC.) This merge will also allow for a massive simplification to the code of Template:Category TOC/tracking. House Blaster  (talk · he/him) 15:24, 25 May 2024 (UTC)


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Category:American Roman Catholic poets
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 * The result of the discussion was: rename (non-admin closure) House Blaster  (talk · he/him) 22:04, 1 June 2024 (UTC)


 * Propose renaming Category:American Roman Catholic poets to Category:American Catholic poets
 * Nominator's rationale: I think we should broaden this category because there's no Roman Catholic poets parent category and all the siblings under category:Catholic poets by nationality are FOOian Catholic poets. Mason (talk) 15:00, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Rename per nom. I honestly had no idea there were types of Catholics until today but I agree, this should match other similar categories to this. Omnis Scientia (talk) 15:14, 25 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Rename, diffusion by church body within the Catholic Church is only useful if there are a significant number of Eastern Catholics too, but that does not seem to be the case here. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:12, 25 May 2024 (UTC)


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Category:Activists for Palestinian solidarity
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Category:Southeast Asian people of Brazilian descent
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 * The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure) House Blaster  (talk · he/him) 22:03, 1 June 2024 (UTC)


 * Propose deleting southeast asian people of brazilian descent
 * Nominator's rationale: We do not categorize descent categories by regions; we only group them by continents and countries. I do not see any valid reason to make an exception for Southeast Asia. Aldij (talk) 13:41, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom Omnis Scientia (talk) 15:46, 25 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:19, 25 May 2024 (UTC)


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Category:Southeast Asian people of Chinese descent
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 * Propose deleting southeast asian people of chinese descent
 * Nominator's rationale: We do not categorize descent categories by regions; we only group them by continents and countries. I do not see any valid reason to make an exception for Southeast Asia. Aldij (talk) 13:41, 25 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 13:52, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom Omnis Scientia (talk) 15:46, 25 May 2024 (UTC)


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Category:Academic libraries in Algeria
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 * The result of the discussion was: merge (non-admin closure) House Blaster  (talk · he/him) 22:00, 1 June 2024 (UTC)


 * Propose splitting Category:Academic libraries in Algeria to Category:Libraries in Algeria and Category:University and college buildings in Algeria
 * Nominator's rationale: Dual upmerge for now. There are only two redirects in this category, which isn't helpful for navigation. Mason (talk) 13:24, 25 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Dual merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:20, 25 May 2024 (UTC)


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Category:Works by Sidi Boushaki
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 * Propose merging Category:Works by Sidi Boushaki to Category:Arabic poetry
 * Nominator's rationale: Upmerge for now. Only one poem in here, which isn't helpful for navigation Mason (talk) 13:21, 25 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Just delete, the article is already in Category:Poems in Arabic. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:21, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Even better! Mason (talk) 18:22, 25 May 2024 (UTC)


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Category:Algerian inventions
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 * Propose deleting algerian inventions
 * Nominator's rationale: Redudant category layer (merge for now). The lone child category is already in all the parent categories it needs Mason (talk) 13:19, 25 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:22, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. NLeeuw (talk) 05:14, 27 May 2024 (UTC)


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Category:Painters of the Holy Land pre-1948
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Early modern period
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 * The result of the discussion was: rename as nominated, except for merging Category:Early Modern history of the United Kingdom to the newly renamed Category:Early modern history of Britain (it was formerly Category:Early Modern Britain). (non-admin closure) House Blaster  (talk · he/him) 15:21, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Early Modern history of Algeria to Category:Early modern history of Algeria
 * Propose renaming Category:Early modern Angola to Category:Early modern history of Angola
 * Propose renaming Category:Early Modern history of Armenia to Category:Early modern history of Armenia
 * Propose renaming Category:Early Modern Austria to Category:Early modern history of Austria
 * Propose renaming Category:Early Modern history of Azerbaijan to Category:Early modern history of Azerbaijan
 * Propose renaming Category:Early Modern history of Belarus to Category:Early modern history of Belarus
 * Propose renaming Category: Early Modern history of Bengal to Category:Early modern history of Bengal
 * Propose renaming Category:Early Modern Britain to Category:Early modern history of Britain
 * Propose renaming Category:Early Modern England to Category:Early modern history of England
 * Propose renaming Category:Early Modern France to Category:Early modern history of France
 * Propose renaming Category:Early Modern history of Georgia (country) to Category:Early modern history of Georgia (country)
 * Propose renaming Category:Early Modern history of Germany to Category:Early modern history of Germany
 * Propose renaming Category:Early Modern Holy Roman Empire to Category:Early modern history of the Holy Roman Empire
 * Propose renaming Category:Early Modern history of Hungary to Category:Early modern history of Hungary
 * Propose renaming Category:Early Modern history of India to Category:Early modern history of India
 * Propose renaming Category:Early Modern history of Iran to Category:Early modern history of Iran
 * Propose renaming Category:Early Modern history of Iraq to Category:Early modern history of Iraq
 * Propose renaming Category:Early Modern Ireland to Category:Early modern history of Ireland
 * Propose renaming Category:Early Modern Italy to Category:Early modern history of Italy
 * Propose renaming Category:Early Modern history of Lithuania to Category:Early modern history of Lithuania
 * Propose renaming Category:Early Modern Luxembourg to Category:Early modern history of Luxembourg
 * Propose renaming Category:Early Modern Morocco to Category:Early modern history of Morocco
 * Propose renaming Category:Early Modern Netherlands to Category:Early modern history of the Netherlands
 * Propose renaming Category:Early Modern history of Poland to Category:Early modern history of Poland
 * Propose renaming Category:Early Modern history of Portugal to Category:Early modern history of Portugal
 * Propose renaming Category:Early Modern history of Russia to Category:Early modern history of Russia
 * Propose renaming Category:Early Modern Scotland to Category:Early modern history of Scotland
 * Propose renaming Category:Early Modern history of Serbia to Category:Early modern history of Serbia
 * Propose renaming Category:Early Modern Sicily to Category:Early modern history of Sicily
 * Propose renaming Category:Early Modern history of Somalia to Category:Early modern history of Somalia
 * Propose renaming Category:Early Modern history of Somaliland to Category:Early modern history of Somaliland
 * Propose renaming Category:Early Modern history of Spain to Category:Early modern history of Spain
 * Propose renaming Category:Early Modern history of Sweden to Category:Early modern history of Sweden
 * Propose renaming Category:Early Modern history of Switzerland to Category:Early modern history of Switzerland
 * Propose renaming Category:Early Modern Thailand to Category:Early modern history of Thailand
 * Propose renaming Category:Early Modern history of the United Kingdom to Category:Early modern history of the United Kingdom
 * Nominator's rationale: rename. First, a capital M is not needed, per Early modern period, Category:Early modern period and Category:Early modern period by country. Next to that, we may harmonize the categories further to either "Early modern country" or "Early modern history of country". I will add targets to the nomination when the latter becomes a bit more clear in the discussion. Marcocapelle (talk) 11:51, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Good job, by the way! This must have been quite an effort to set up and work out. NLeeuw (talk) 20:30, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Interesting how little consistency there is in the parent articles' titles: Early modern Britain; France in the early modern period; Germany in the early modern period; History of early modern Italy; History of Poland in the early modern period (1569–1795); Scotland in the early modern period; Early modern history of Serbia; Early Modern history of Spain (a redirect); Early modern Switzerland; Early modern history of Ukraine (another redirect) – and Pomerania during the Early Modern Age, Early Modern Romania and Early modern period in Wales for good measure. Do we need to look at these first? Ham II (talk) 13:04, 29 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Rename all to Early modern history of Fooland, lowercase "m" (following several recent precedents), and "history of" to prevent any anachronisms about countries that didn't yet exist, or didn't yet have their modern names (at least not in contemporary sources, or historiographical convention / common parlance), e.g. the Netherlands (most but not all was the Dutch Republic), the United Kingdom (most but not all was the Kingdom of Great Britain), Ukraine (most but not all was the Cossack Hetmanate or Hetmanshchyna), Germany (HRE, you know the drill), Belarus, India, etc. NLeeuw (talk) 12:14, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Support per nom and Nleeuw. Excellent points! Mason (talk) 13:21, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Support per nom and Nleeuw. I concur with Mason. Omnis Scientia (talk) 14:49, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Support per nom, but merge the United Kingdom category into Category:Early modern history of Britain, which serves any purpose the UK one would have and is less anachronistic. Ham II (talk) 12:46, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Fair enough to merge, but then Irish redirect should presumably be purged? Marcocapelle (talk) 07:08, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Yes; Early Modern Ireland, 1536-1690 – a redirect to History of Ireland (1536–1691), which has an almost identical date range – sits very strangely in Category:Early Modern history of the United Kingdom, and it's also the only page there! The target page History of Ireland (1536–1691) wouldn't belong in Category:Early modern history of Britain, and again would sit strangely in the existing UK category if that were kept. Ham II (talk) 09:40, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Rather than attempt to relist this behemoth of a discussion (probably would get ratelimited if I tried...) I am going to ping for comments on the merge proposal.<span id="HouseBlaster:1717288331541:WikipediaFTTCLNCategories_for_discussion/Log/2024_May_25" class="FTTCmt"> House Blaster  (talk · he/him) 00:32, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Merge proposal seems fine to me. Mason (talk) 00:35, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Could we please exclude Ireland, Britain, UK and whatever from this discussion and create a separate discussion about that, and rename the rest as nominated? We really shouldn't get sidetracked by details on such a big nom. NLeeuw (talk) 00:37, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
 * I support the merger as well. Omnis Scientia (talk) 08:38, 2 June 2024 (UTC)


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Category:Sportspeople by sport and populated place
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 * The result of the discussion was: rename (non-admin closure) House Blaster  (talk · he/him) 21:59, 1 June 2024 (UTC)


 * Propose renaming Category:Water polo players by city or town to Category:Water polo players by populated place
 * Propose renaming Category:Volleyball players by city or town to Category:Volleyball players by populated place
 * Propose renaming Category:Sport wrestlers by city or town to Category:Sport wrestlers by populated place
 * Propose renaming Category:Speed skaters by city or town to Category:Speed skaters by populated place
 * Propose renaming Category:Skiers by city or town to Category:Skiers by populated place
 * Propose renaming Category:Sport shooters by city or town to Category:Sport shooters by populated place
 * Propose renaming Category:Sailors (sport) by city or town to Category:Sailors (sport) by populated place
 * Propose renaming Category:Rugby union players by city or town to Category:Rugby union players by populated place
 * Propose renaming Category:Rugby league players by city or town to Category:Rugby league players by populated place
 * Propose renaming Category:Racing drivers by city or town to Category:Racing drivers by populated place
 * Propose renaming Category:Ice hockey people by city or town to Category:Ice hockey people by populated place
 * Propose renaming Category:Field hockey players by city or town to Category:Field hockey players by populated place
 * Propose renaming Category:Handball players by city or town to Category:Handball players by populated place
 * Propose renaming Category:Gymnasts by city or town to Category:Gymnasts by populated place
 * Propose renaming Category:Golfers by city or town to Category:Golfers by populated place
 * Propose renaming Category:Figure skaters by city or town to Category:Figure skaters by populated place
 * Propose renaming Category:Fencers by city or town to Category:Fencers by populated place
 * Propose renaming Category:Cyclists by city or town to Category:Cyclists by populated place
 * Propose renaming Category:Curlers by city or town to Category:Curlers by populated place
 * Propose renaming Category:Cricketers by city or town to Category:Cricketers by populated place
 * Propose renaming Category:Canoeists by city or town to Category:Canoeists by populated place
 * Propose renaming Category:Boxers by city or town to Category:Boxers by populated place
 * Propose renaming Category:Basketball players by city or town to Category:Basketball players by populated place
 * Nominator's rationale: Per a discussion in speedy. We should first change "city or town" to "populated place" before proceeding with nationality categories. Omnis Scientia (talk) 09:58, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Pinging @Marcocapelle, @Smasongarrison, and @Armbrust from the speedy discussion. Omnis Scientia (talk) 10:10, 25 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Support all. When these were made, "city or town" was the standard for WP categories, but the more inclusive "populated place" is now the norm and makes perfect sense. Grutness... wha?   10:31, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Support per nom. And thanks Omnis for doing the legwork on getting these cats in line with the populated place norm. Mason (talk) 12:17, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Support all per nom. NLeeuw (talk) 12:17, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Rename per several recent cases in which we renamed this way. Marcocapelle (talk) 12:19, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Happy to see them renamed accordingly, less clumsy than the current names. Sionk (talk) 19:07, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Note: If these are renamed as proposed, therare a lot of by-country subcats of these which will also need renaming. Grutness... wha?   02:15, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
 * @Grutness, if this gets through, those will be done in the next one or via speedy. Omnis Scientia (talk) 15:19, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Good - thanks. Grutness... wha?   15:47, 26 May 2024 (UTC)


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Category:Basketball people by city or town
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 * The result of the discussion was: merge (non-admin closure) House Blaster  (talk · he/him) 21:58, 1 June 2024 (UTC)


 * Propose merging Category:Basketball people by city or town to Category:Sportspeople by sport and populated place and Category:Basketball players
 * Nominator's rationale: Upmerge to parent categories. Only one category layer. Omnis Scientia (talk) 09:50, 25 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 12:21, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Merge per nom Mason (talk) 18:22, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Comment: Basketball people (players, coaches, referees, team owners, journalists etc) are not just players.--User:Namiba 18:48, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
 * @Namiba, the category only has Category:Basketball players by city or town though. Omnis Scientia (talk) 21:54, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
 * I see now, thanks for clarifying.--User:Namiba 14:11, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
 * No worries. :) Omnis Scientia (talk) 00:46, 28 May 2024 (UTC)


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Involving countries
Relisted, see Categories for discussion/Log/2024 June 28%23Involving countries

Category:Saipan
Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 June 2%23Category:Saipan

Category:Tinian
Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 June 2%23Category:Tinian

Category:Rota (island)
Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 June 2%23Category:Rota (island)

Category:Heliports in Massachusetts
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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. As a WP:BARTENDER action, I will add Massachusetts General Hospital to Category:Heliports in the United States and purge Camp Edwards Heliport, and direct further discussions on their categorization to their respective talk pages. (non-admin closure) House Blaster  (talk · he/him) 00:26, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Heliports in Massachusetts to Category:Heliports in the United States
 * Nominator's rationale: Category lacks subjects. Let&#39;srun (talk) 19:41, 8 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Upmerge for now without prejudice per nom. NLeeuw (talk) 06:19, 9 May 2024 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, House Blaster  (talk · he/him) 17:10, 17 May 2024 (UTC) Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, House Blaster  (talk · he/him) 04:00, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Delete, one article is already in Category:Military heliports in the United States and the other article does not belong in a Heliports category. Marcocapelle (talk) 14:04, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
 * thoughts on straight-up deletion?<span id="HouseBlaster:1715824344022:WikipediaFTTCLNCategories_for_discussion/Log/2024_May_8" class="FTTCmt"> House Blaster  (talk · he/him) 01:52, 16 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Massachusetts General Hospital has a helipad. Helipad is in Category:Heliports, so I've got to disagree with Marcocapelle on that one. What we could do is Purge Camp Edwards Heliport first, and then Upmerge the hospital as proposed. NLeeuw (talk) 06:21, 16 May 2024 (UTC)
 * <p class="xfd_relist" style="margin:0 0 0 -1em;border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 2em;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * <p class="xfd_relist" style="margin:0 0 0 -1em;border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 2em;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * I agree with the proposal from NLeeuw. Let&#39;srun (talk) 01:17, 28 May 2024 (UTC)


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Category:Administrative divisions of the United States by state
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 * The result of the discussion was: rename (non-admin closure) House Blaster  (talk · he/him) 21:56, 1 June 2024 (UTC)


 * Propose renaming Category:Administrative divisions of the United States by state to Category:Administrative divisions of the United States by state and territory
 * Nominator's rationale: It contains pages and subcategories for US territories, and there is no Category:Administrative divisions of the United States by territory or Category:Administrative divisions in United States insular areas or similar that I could find. Which would contain only a small number of pages and subcategories. -- Beland (talk) 02:52, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Support per nom. This rename is consistent with the gradually shift from states to states or territories. Mason (talk) 23:29, 27 May 2024 (UTC)


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Category:Women portrait painters
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 * The result of the discussion was: merge (non-admin closure) House Blaster  (talk · he/him) 21:56, 1 June 2024 (UTC)


 * Propose splitting Category:Women portrait painters to Category:Women painters and Category:Portrait painters
 * Nominator's rationale: Dual merge for non-defining intersection of gender+type of artist+subject matter of the artist under WP:EGRS Mason (talk) 01:45, 25 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Dual merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:55, 25 May 2024 (UTC)


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Category:Plurisexual people
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 * The result of the discussion was: merge (non-admin closure) House Blaster  (talk · he/him) 21:56, 1 June 2024 (UTC)


 * Propose merging Category:Plurisexual people to Category:LGBT people
 * Nominator's rationale: I hate to be that person, but... neither of the two people added to the category have the word plurisexual mentioned anywhere on their pages. Is this really a defining category for individuals, under WP:EGRS? Because it effectively seems like its extremely similar to this CFD for Polysexuality Categories_for_discussion/Log/2023_February_26. I've always thought of it as an umbrella term to allow for the grouping of queer, bi, and pansexual people, rather than a term that is used to describe individual people.  If the category is kept, I think it should be containerized. Mason (talk) 00:23, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Merge per nom. Omnis Scientia (talk) 21:55, 25 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Merge per nom. The two articles can be purged if only because they are already in the tree of Category:LGBT people by nationality. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:58, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Merge per nom. NLeeuw (talk) 17:29, 25 May 2024 (UTC)


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