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Category:Hatsune Miku

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 * The result of the discussion was: keep. (non-admin closure) House Blaster  (talk · he/they) 03:46, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting hatsune miku
 * Nominator's rationale: Figure this one out for yourself. QuantumFoam66 (talk) 23:45, 30 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Speedy close as malformed (and without merit). - Altenmann >talk 23:47, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Comment. The nominator needs to actually make a case for deletion. Mason (talk) 01:26, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Procedural close no rationale given, and tag the nom for misuse of process -- 65.92.244.143 (talk) 22:14, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
 * please comment. Marcocapelle (talk) 04:09, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Speedy close. User has edited since being pinged, demonstrates a lack of intent to see this discussion through. - Cukie Gherkin (talk) 14:53, 2 June 2024 (UTC)


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Category:Wikipedians who play Wuthering Waves

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) House Blaster  (talk · he/they) 03:46, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting wikipedians who play wuthering waves
 * Nominator's rationale: Fails WP:USERCAT for lacking any discernible collaborative function. * Pppery * it has begun... 23:08, 30 May 2024 (UTC)


 * support per nom. - Altenmann >talk 23:49, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:36, 31 May 2024 (UTC)


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Category:Pool writers and broadcasters

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge to Category:Cue sports writers and broadcasters. (non-admin closure) House Blaster  (talk · he/they) 03:56, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Pool writers and broadcasters to Category:Pool commentators
 * Nominator's rationale: Rename; three commentators and only one is a writer. The writer can be moved to the parent category. Alt: merge with Category:Cue sports writers and broadcasters given its small size. Omnis Scientia (talk) 23:03, 30 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Support either, prefer alt, writers and commentators are quite different occupations (although some people profess both) and a category of three is not very helpful for navigation between articles. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:41, 31 May 2024 (UTC)


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Wait, what's going on here? EVERYthing above is a redlink, including the proposed upmerge target. — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  07:04, 17 June 2024 (UTC)

Category:Cue sports writers and broadcasters

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 * The result of the discussion was: split. (non-admin closure) House Blaster  (talk · he/they) 03:54, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Propose splitting Category:Cue sports writers and broadcasters to Category:Cue sports writers and Category:Cue sports commentators
 * Propose splitting Category:Snooker writers and broadcasters to Category:Snooker writers and Category:Snooker commentators
 * Nominator's rationale: Split per previous precedent. Omnis Scientia (talk) 23:01, 30 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Split, writers and commentators are quite different occupations (although some people profess both). Marcocapelle (talk) 06:42, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Neutral for the moment. I'm concerned that such a split would result in some of the resultant categories being too small for our usual tolerance level. They were combined into a kind of "cue sports media people" hybrid for this very reason. The fact that two occupations (or whatever)  be distinguished does not mean that they  be, especially if the result will be problematic, and if the original more general category is appropriately categorized with regard to its content scope so that readers can find what they are looking for, as is the case here.  If we're sure that some small categories that would result from the proposed split will be kept because they are part of systematic sports-occupation and media-occupation categorization structures, then I would support the split as ultimately clearer for readers (and for editors too, actually).  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  15:00, 31 May 2024 (UTC)


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Category:Manufacturing companies based in West Fargo, North Dakota

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge (non-admin closure) House Blaster  (talk · he/they) 03:48, 7 June 2024 (UTC)


 * Propose merging Category:Manufacturing companies based in West Fargo, North Dakota to Category:Manufacturing companies based in North Dakota and Category:Companies based in Fargo–Moorhead
 * Propose merging Category:Manufacturing companies based in Fargo, North Dakota to Category:Manufacturing companies based in North Dakota and Category:Companies based in Fargo–Moorhead
 * Nominator's rationale: Overly narrow intersection of characteristics, resulting in categories with just one entry each. While some "Manufacturing companies based in Specific-City" categories do exist for major US cities with a lot of articles to be filed there, like Los Angeles or Chicago or NYC, they do not need to exist right across the board the moment a smaller city or town has one manufacturing company with an article. No prejudice against recreation in the future if and when there are five or six articles that can be filed in each of them, but it does not aid navigation to funnel everything down into microcategories of one. Bearcat (talk) 17:46, 22 May 2024 (UTC)

Relisting comment: See request to relist (Category:Manufacturing companies based in Fargo, North Dakota was not tagged). Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, House Blaster  (talk · he/him) 22:58, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:01, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Merge per nom. Gjs238 (talk) 17:13, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


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Category:20th century in Punjab

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure) House Blaster  (talk · he/they) 03:53, 7 June 2024 (UTC)


 * Propose deleting 20th century in punjab
 * Propose deleting decades in punjab
 * Nominator's rationale: delete, redundant category layer with only two subcategories. There is no need to merge, the subcategories are already under Category:History of Punjab, India and Category:History of Punjab, Pakistan. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:53, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. Omnis Scientia (talk) 22:23, 30 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Comment the same for Category:Decades in Punjab, no? - Altenmann >talk 23:51, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
 * thank you, I have added that to the nomination too. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:45, 31 May 2024 (UTC)


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Category:Films directed by Youli Karassik

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) House Blaster  (talk · he/they) 03:48, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting films directed by youli karassik
 * Nominator's rationale: Depopulated. Wrong name; correct: Category:Films directed by Yuli Karasik. - Altenmann >talk 19:10, 30 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Comment Category has been emptied. In these situations, you could always turn a category like this into a category redirect. Liz Read! Talk! 19:37, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
 * I know, thanks, but I don't want to encourage French spelling into English wikipedia. - Altenmann >talk 22:59, 30 May 2024 (UTC)


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Category:Rabbis at West London Synagogue

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) House Blaster  (talk · he/they) 20:09, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting rabbis at west london synagogue
 * Nominator's rationale: Delete - I understand this was made in good faith per an ongoing Cfd on Category:West London Synagogue but there is no category tree for "religious leaders by religious building". Omnis Scientia (talk) 19:03, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Oppose/keep A synagogue isn't a building; it's a religious community, which can exist independently of the building. As for "religious leaders by religious building" see, for example, Deans of St. Patrick's Cathedral, Dublin and its associated category. Headhitter (talk) 13:05, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
 * I would suggest to nominate that category too. It is similar to WP:PERFCAT. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:03, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
 * @Marcocapelle, there are three such categories for Deans in Dublin only (as far as I can tell). Should I do all three or leave them for later? Omnis Scientia (talk) 18:04, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
 * @Marcocapelle, ah okay, I see. @Headhitter, Deans and archbishops are assigned to a particular city or region. That is not the case here or with Judaism. Besides that, there are no similar "Rabbis by synagogues" tree so it doesn't make sense. Omnis Scientia (talk) 14:32, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
 * In any case, this was made despite there being an ongoing Cfd on the matter. You should have waited for that Cfd to close before creating this category. Omnis Scientia (talk) 14:33, 2 June 2024 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom. No need to merge somewhere, the articles are already in Category:British Reform rabbis. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:12, 30 May 2024 (UTC)


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Category:Dynasties of the Jats

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename (non-admin closure) House Blaster  (talk · he/they) 03:53, 7 June 2024 (UTC)


 * Propose renaming Category:Dynasties of the Jats to Category:Jat states
 * Nominator's rationale: rename, 4 of the 5 articles are about states rather than dynasties. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:10, 30 May 2024 (UTC)


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Category:120mm mortars

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename (non-admin closure) House Blaster  (talk · he/they) 03:49, 7 June 2024 (UTC)


 * Propose renaming Category:120mm mortars to Category:120 mm mortars
 * Nominator's rationale: MOS:UNITSYMBOLS and consistency with parent category 120 mm artillery  Chris the speller   yack  14:35, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Support. Seems reasonable to me. Mason (talk) 23:29, 31 May 2024 (UTC)


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Category:Jat surname

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge (non-admin closure) House Blaster  (talk · he/they) 03:49, 7 June 2024 (UTC)


 * Propose merging Category:Jat surname to Category:Jat
 * Nominator's rationale: Overly narrow small category. Gjs238 (talk) 14:19, 30 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:11, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Merge Improperly singular, unnecessary category. –Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d c̄ ) 04:41, 4 June 2024 (UTC)


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Category:Tulu children
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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) House Blaster  (talk · he/they) 03:49, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Propose splitting Category:Tulu children to Category:Tulu people and Category:Indian children
 * Nominator's rationale: Dual merge. Non-defining intersection between ethnicity and age Mason (talk) 12:57, 30 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Just delete, both articles are already in the trees of Category:Tulu actors and Category:Indian child actors. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:15, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Delete as redundant. - Altenmann >talk 23:52, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Comment. Delete's fine with me. Mason (talk) 01:27, 31 May 2024 (UTC)


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Category:Films directed by Udayasankar
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 * The result of the discussion was: merge (non-admin closure) House Blaster  (talk · he/they) 03:50, 7 June 2024 (UTC)


 * Propose merging Category:Films directed by Udayasankar to Category:Films directed by K. R. Udayasankar
 * Nominator's rationale: The subject's full name: https://www.behindwoods.com/tamil-movie-articles/movies-06/vegam-review.html <b style="color: black;">Kailash29792</b> (talk)  11:59, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Support per nom. Gjs238 (talk) 14:49, 30 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Support per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:16, 30 May 2024 (UTC)


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Category:Jewish summer camps in New Hampshire
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 * The result of the discussion was: merge (non-admin closure) House Blaster  (talk · he/they) 03:50, 7 June 2024 (UTC)


 * Propose splitting Category:Jewish summer camps in New Hampshire to Category:Jewish summer camps in the United States and Category:Summer camps in New Hampshire and Category:Jews and Judaism in New Hampshire
 * Nominator's rationale: Triple merge; only two articles. Omnis Scientia (talk) 11:18, 30 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:17, 30 May 2024 (UTC)


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Category:Reform summer camps
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 * The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure) House Blaster  (talk · he/they) 03:50, 7 June 2024 (UTC)


 * Propose deleting reform summer camps
 * Nominator's rationale: Delete; no other Jewish religious denomination has their own category. The two articles are already in appropriate subcats so no need to merge. Omnis Scientia (talk) 11:08, 30 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:18, 30 May 2024 (UTC)


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Category:Works about Frankie Lymon
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 * The result of the discussion was: merge. (non-admin closure) House Blaster  (talk · he/they) 03:50, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Works about Frankie Lymon to Category:Frankie Lymon
 * Propose merging Category:Films about Frankie Lymon to Category:Frankie Lymon
 * Nominator's rationale: merge, only one article in the category, this is not helpful for navigation between articles. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:20, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Thank you! Inajd0101 (talk) 06:09, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Merge per nom. Inajd0101 (talk) 03:01, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Merge per nom. Omnis Scientia (talk) 11:47, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Merge per nom. Star cheers peaks news lost wars Talk to me 15:57, 30 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Comment This category has been emptied. Liz <sup style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: #006400;">Read! Talk! 04:37, 3 June 2024 (UTC)


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Category:1941 establishments in Indonesia
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 * The result of the discussion was: rename (non-admin closure) House Blaster  (talk · he/they) 03:52, 7 June 2024 (UTC)


 * Propose renaming Category:1941 establishments in Indonesia to Category:1941 establishments in the Dutch East Indies
 * Nominator's rationale: Following the established format. Veracious ^(•‿•)^ 05:04, 30 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Meanwhile the category has been emptied so there is nothing left to rename. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:17, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
 * @Marcocapelle Oops, just re-added the content. Veracious ^(•‿•)^ 06:40, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Rename, this was established when the Dutch were still in power. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:17, 30 May 2024 (UTC)


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Category:Films about The Teenagers
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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) House Blaster  (talk · he/they) 03:45, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Films about The Teenagers to Category:Films about musical groups
 * Nominator's rationale: No similar categories for musical acts/groups with only one film about them. Possible delete since film is more about the life of Frankie Lymon than the group. Star cheers peaks news lost wars Talk to me 04:26, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Thank you! Fair enough!
 * And also, yes please. Inajd0101 (talk) 04:59, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. Inajd Inajd0101 (talk) 03:00, 1 June 2024 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:21, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Deleting it would be fair enough. And yes, this film is more about the life of Frankie Lymon than the group. Inajd0101 (talk) 15:42, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Comment This category has been emptied. Liz <sup style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: #006400;">Read! Talk! 04:36, 3 June 2024 (UTC)


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Category:Private secondary schools in Melbourne
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 * The result of the discussion was: keep. (non-admin closure) House Blaster  (talk · he/they) 03:53, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Private secondary schools in Melbourne to Category:Private secondary schools in Victoria (state)
 * Nominator's rationale: I don't see why we need two separate categories. This causes confusion with many of the articles in Category:Private secondary schools in Victoria (state) really belonging in Category:Private secondary schools in Melbourne. — GMH Melbourne (talk) 03:17, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Keep. I don't see this as an issue; its something that happens with a lot of categories which have further subcategories. Just move private schools which are in Melbourne to the appropriate category. Omnis Scientia (talk) 11:49, 30 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Not sure. Other big cities in Australia also have a category like this. If kept, move articles from Category:Private secondary schools in Victoria (state) to Category:Private secondary schools in Melbourne if appropriate. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:28, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Keep - no rationale has been given for merge. ('I don't see why' is not a valid rationale.) Perspicax (talk) 16:08, 31 May 2024 (UTC)


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Category:Indian royals in British Indian Army
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 * The result of the discussion was: merge and I will copy the contents of the categories to User talk:Apandeyhp89. (non-admin closure) House Blaster  (talk · he/they) 19:50, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Indian royals in British Indian Army to Category:British Indian Army personnel and splitting to Category:19th-century Indian royalty and Category:20th-century Indian royalty (BIA runs from 1895 to 1947 i think)
 * Propose merging Category:Indian royals in Indian Army to Category:Indian Army personnel and Category:20th-century Indian royalty
 * Propose merging Category:Former Indian royals in Pakistani Army to Category:20th-century Pakistani military personnel and Category:20th-century Indian royalty
 * Nominator's rationale: Dual merge. This is an interesting, but non-defining intersection between royalty, nationality, military service. Perhaps a list? Mason (talk) 11:50, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Hi Mason, thanks for the consideration of these categories. I created these three categories because Indian royals did have representation in the British Indian Army. These were mostly in ceremonial roles, as, for instance, honorary colonel, honorary major general, or more substantively in some cases, as, for instance, involvement in actual fighting or sending troops to the fights of the British Indian Army. The royals to whom I have added these three categories are all princes, rajas, or maharajas of Indian princely states. British India was composed of these two kinds of territories - regions under direct British administration, and the princely states, which came under the suzerainty of the British Crown. The rulers of the latter were required to provide men for various imperial wars, and sometimes went to serve in such wars themselves too. By creating these three categories, I thought of pooling together known instances of Indian princely state rulers and their family members who were in any capacity related to the British Indian Army. One of these three categories, however, can do better with renaming: Former Indian royals in Pakistani Army can simply become Former royals in Pakistani Army. Ultimately, however, whether to keep these three categories or not is your call, of course. Let me know what you think. Best wishes. Apandeyhp89 (talk) 15:46, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the added context. What you've written here sounds like a good case for a list or an brief article. The challenge is that categories need to be DEFINING as in the characteristic could (and often is) mentioned in the lead or is something that meets the criteria under WP:EGRS. Were these people regularly described as being Royals in the British Indian Army? Mason (talk) 23:20, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
 * That's true, perhaps then these would do better as a list. While these individuals would wear the same uniforms as others if in active service (that wasn't often the case), their commanding officer would know this person was a royal, and the officer would make it sure to neither give hard manual tasks to such personnel nor send them in the heat of battles. More often, the royals to whom I added these categories were given honorary ranks by the British Indian Army for having provided men from their princely states for colonial military expeditions and wars, such as the Waziristan campaigns, World War I and II, etc., and sometimes just as symbols of political expediency. Apandeyhp89 (talk) 09:24, 23 May 2024 (UTC)

Relisting comment: Consensus to merge, but should it also be listified as suggested by Apandeyhp89? Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d c̄ ) 02:52, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Merge, trivial intersection. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:11, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
 * <p class="xfd_relist" style="margin:0 0 0 -1em;border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 2em;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


 * No objection to a list if User:Apandeyhp89 is willing to create and populate it. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:54, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Thanks Marcocapelle. I can do that, but that would unfortunately have to wait a few months, due to real life preoccupations. Apandeyhp89 (talk) 10:00, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Then I would suggest to copy the category content to User talk:Apandeyhp89 so that they can pick this up when they have time for it, and delete the category. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:21, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Merge per nom. Orientls (talk) 13:20, 2 June 2024 (UTC)


 * The above is preserved as an archive of the discussion. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.

Category:Autistic LGBT people
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Category:People on the autism spectrum
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