Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Registered Historic Places in Orange County, New York

Category:Registered Historic Places in Ulster County, New York

 * The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.


 * The result of the discussion was: rename. Kbdank71 13:13, 31 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Propose renaming Category:Registered Historic Places in Orange County, New York to Category:National Register of Historic Places listings in Orange County, New York
 * Nominator's rationale: As part of ongoing NRHP renamings. I prefer this format for a county-level category as unlike the state-level cats recently renamed it is strictly intended for individual buildings, structures, sites and districts on the Register in the county (or, in the future, city) in question (contents of category would be more or less those articles, created and yet to be created, at National Register of Historic Places listings in Orange County, New York. Daniel Case (talk) 00:26, 25 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Comment. Didn't we just decide to rename these Category:National Register of Historic Places in Foo with this discussion? That would say the rename should be to Category:National Register of Historic Places in Orange County, New York. Vegaswikian (talk) 00:59, 25 October 2008 (UTC)
 * The sub-state level cats, as I just said, really contain nothing more than the articles about individual entries. In the state-level cats I think we are leaving ourselves room to put lists of certain property types ... almost every state has a separate list of bridges and tunnels on the Register, the National Historic Landmark lists could also go under the state-level cat, as well as list articles on any Multiple Property Submissions that cover more than one county in a state. As I argued several times during the renaming discussions, "National Register of Historic Places" alone is a little too vague and inclusive (as well as referring to the whole list of almost 90,000 properties, unpartitioned by geography or property type). Daniel Case (talk) 01:33, 25 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Comment - I must say that I much preferred the informal, succinct and readily comprehensible 'Registered historic places' format (to the formal, verbose and grammatically contorted suggestions). Also, I would expect to find only subcats in Category:Registered Historic Places in New York by county ('Foo by XXX' is a subcat scheme and should contain no articles at the top level). Further, National Register of Historic Places listings in Orange County, New York is a list, should be named List of XXX in Orange County, New York, and categorised as the lead article in Category:Registered Historic Places in Orange County, New York (sorted using |* or similar) and also under something like Category:New York-related lists. Occuli (talk) 13:11, 25 October 2008 (UTC)
 * I liked "Registered Historic Places in ..." too, but unfortunately it's a neologism phrase that was never widely used anywhere else and isn't used much by the Park Service in its official documents. As for the name, whatever WP:SAL says there are plenty of featured lists that do not begin "List of ...", including the analogous Grade I listed buildings in Greater Manchester. I sort of think anyone seeing "listings" in an article title assumes it would take a list form. "Listings" was what consensus reached because "properties" isn't accurate where you include historic districts, plus the NPS wants to dispel the notion that the federal government actually takes ownership of these buildings/sites/structures/objects (It doesn't). Daniel Case (talk) 20:10, 25 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Rename
 * Category:Registered Historic Places in Orange County, New York to Category:National Register of Historic Places in Orange County, New York
 * Category:Registered Historic Places in Ulster County, New York to Category:National Register of Historic Places in Ulster County, New York

Per the many others of this form including: Category:National Register of Historic Places in Escambia County, Florida, Category:National Register of Historic Places in Fayette County, Kentucky, Category:National Register of Historic Places in Jo Daviess County, Illinois, Category:National Register of Historic Places in Minneapolis, Minnesota and numerous others. Vegaswikian (talk) 06:03, 26 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Again, I don't see the logic of doing this for sub state-level cats. The National Register of Historic Places is a nationwide list; it can't be subdivided. This proposed name treats it like a topic; it's not. "Listings" implies just those in this particular geographic area. It would be as if we titled an article "Federal Bureau of Investigation in Buffalo, New York" instead of "FBI Buffalo Field Office". Daniel Case (talk) 13:48, 26 October 2008 (UTC)
 * The change to Category:National Register of Historic Places in Foo was approved and many of these categories have been renamed. Creating a third name for these categories will do nothing to help.  To try and change while the approved renames is occurring will simply add to the confusion.  Now if you want to create a nomination to include all of those you want changed, you are free to do so. Vegaswikian (talk) 18:47, 26 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Alright, I'm not going to fight this anymore. (perhaps my name suggestion would be more appropriate once we get around to renaming the Commons categories), and I suppose I see the logic if you include the list article in the category. Go ahead, close this sucker and put the bot to work. I suppose it could probably be subdivided into "Buildings on the National Register of Historic Places in Orange County, New York", "Structures on ...", "Sites on ..." and "Objects on ..." for articles about individual listings. Daniel Case (talk) 16:33, 27 October 2008 (UTC)


 * The above is preserved as an archive of the discussion. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.