Wikipedia:Conflict of interest/Noticeboard/Archive 129

Do You Actually Need A Wikipedia Page for Your Business?
this article may be an interesting read for some of the regulars here given what it details. SamHolt6 (talk) 23:53, 28 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Do you think he knows that the stock price of a company goes down when their Wikipedia page gets more views? Mduvekot (talk) 00:00, 29 March 2018 (UTC)

I saw the article - and I just hate articles like that. I'm at a loss for what we can do about this one, but if you have any ideas I'd be glad to help.

I'd guess you're just making up that stock price correlation just to make a point. Fair enough. But I doubt that conclusion for several reasons:
 * It's pretty hard to do an event study like that properly, e.g. getting all the stock returns, lining up the event dates (date of article start on Wikipedia) etc. I'd want to see it in a finance journal before I really believed it.
 * Most of our problems are with pretty small companies who aren't traded on exchanges - so they don't have stock prices (or returns) readily available.
 * I suspect that company managers do know, more-or-less and in the short term, what benefits their companies. So why pay money to upe's unless they expect it to raise the stock price.  Long-term they might just not know what they are getting into.
 * Bitcoin prices - according to a couple non-academic reports - are highly correlated to Google searches for the term "Bitcoin". This suggests that the more publicity a "business" gets the better it is for the "business". No surprise really.
 * But the above did suggest to me to check our page views against bitcoin's price. It's pretty amazing.

compare this to the price graph at (Set the time frame to 1 year). The 2 peaks are about a week apart.

There's nothing scientific about this, and nothing that shows causation being in one direction or the other. But still the correspondence is amazing. I conclude that it's fairly likely that bitcoin's price is influenced by the amount of publicity it gets on Wikipedia. Given that Facebook, Google, and Twitter have recently banned cryptocurrency ads, the influence of page views on Wikipedia (if the influence continues as it has) can only increase.

Don't take this back-of-the-envelope analysis too seriously, but it does cause some doubt about your suggested correlation. Smallbones( smalltalk ) 16:10, 29 March 2018 (UTC)


 * Bitcoin doesn't get any publicity on Wikipedia, there are articles on cryptocurrency and the companies and technology involved - but they aim for neutrality. There is no reason for someone to look at any Wikipedia article unless they have already heard of the subject of the article.


 * Bitcoin's values on the currency exchange markets had an unprecedented rise at the end of 2017, I don't think this was related to Wikipedia. I think the hype comes first. The increased media hype leading to people to check out what Bitcoin is about. That is a more likely in my opinion.


 * People go to Wikipedia to get more information about a subject. So there could be a problem with people thinking that a Wikipedia article validates a company.


 * The Customer Think article talks about having a Wikipedia article to "improve your business' credibility". The problem is lending unwarranted credibility to businesses, not marketing. Jonpatterns (talk) 17:58, 29 March 2018 (UTC)


 * "Bitcoin doesn't get any publicity on Wikipedia" - I couldn't disagree more. The Customer Think article is not about "marketing"?  You clearly have a different definition of marketing than I do.  WP:COIN is at least 90% about companies using marketing and PR to get publicity from Wikipedia, so I doubt you'll find many supporters of your views on this page.


 * One thing the price graph shows is that the price of bitcoin has gone down from $19,343 on Dec. 19, 2017 to $7,440.98 (right now). That's a -61.5% return over a bit more than 3 months. Which brings up my final question.  Is there an easy way to go short bitcoin, i.e. bet that the price will go down further? Smallbones( smalltalk )
 * Have you ever seen a bubble blow out? Me neither, but this one bears watching.  Last trade at $6,750.21.  Whoever knows how to short sell this, please let me know asap.  Smallbones( smalltalk ) 01:16, 30 March 2018 (UTC)


 * The housing bubble in US triggered the 2008 financial crisis. Here is a Telegraph article about shorting Bitcoin. It looks extremely risk to me. (article free to read if account is created) https://www.telegraph.co.uk/investing/gold/can-short-bitcoin/
 * Jonpatterns (talk) 07:44, 30 March 2018 (UTC)


 * I don't think that we need to do anything about this article. Even after various of us went over to read it because of this thread, it has just 65 page vies. --Nat Gertler (talk) 20:02, 29 March 2018 (UTC)


 * Hmm... Harsh Agrawal ... how can use achievements to your advantage ... seems to have been deleted in 2015.  G M G  talk  20:08, 29 March 2018 (UTC)


 * I only agree with his first point about gathering notability. But promoting peacock language like "award-winning" for achievements is such a bad idea and would only draw attention to getting it removed. Swamy needs to warn about WP:PROUD (An article about yourself isn't necessarily a good thing) and WP:COI (need to declare a conflict of interest right away) the article could be used as one of those press mentions for Policybazaar, assuming that page is still around. AngusWOOF  ( bark  •  sniff ) 01:45, 30 March 2018 (UTC)
 * One of the surest signs of paid editing is overemphasis on corporate wheeling and dealing -- how much money was raised in capitalization, who bought out whom, and so on. Policybazaar is a perfect example. Conversely, other than the fact that it's "an Indian insurance comparison shopping website" we're told nothing about what the company does, its products, or why anyone should care about it. Shock Brigade Harvester Boris (talk) 02:03, 30 March 2018 (UTC)
 * I've sent Policybazaar to WP:AFD. It is an advertising brochure article. scope_creep (talk) 13:15, 30 March 2018 (UTC)

Looks like bullying
Please explain how this comment from follows Wikipedia guidelines on COI editing. "IMO every attempt possible should be made to delete Bbarmadillo's paid articles. This will force him to refund his clients' money and be a lesson for anyone else contemplating using Wikipedia for profit". To me this looks like double-standards and bullying. Wikipedia has an approved policy that I fully comply, declaring me edits. This comment clearly says "Hang them all"! -- Bbarmadillo (talk) 15:53, 11 March 2018 (UTC)
 * It's not bullying. You are 'complying' with  a loophole in  our  current policies to  make money  out  of a project  that  is otherwise built and maintained by  volunteers. If loopholes can be found to  have the articles  deleted, they will be. Paid editing  is not  'approved' -  it's barely  tolerated at  all, that's why  the COIN  department  exists; the broader community quite obviously does not approve of it. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 16:05, 11 March 2018 (UTC)
 * why do you call published policy a "loophole"? -- Bbarmadillo (talk) 17:09, 11 March 2018 (UTC)
 * and your generally poor quality editing, paid or otherwise requires great time and effort to be improved by volunteer editors. Theroadislong (talk) 16:42, 11 March 2018 (UTC)
 * amazed to hear that. I worked on 4 articles of yours and somehow managed to improve them. Hmmm.... -- Bbarmadillo (talk) 17:08, 11 March 2018 (UTC)
 * also I never asked you to improve my articles. If massive deletions could pass for "improvements". -- Bbarmadillo (talk) 17:10, 11 March 2018 (UTC)
 * , when Wikipedia was founded, paid exploitation of it was not anticipated on such a scale. As the project grows organically, so have new rules to be established that will close the gaps. By the way, have you read WP:BOGOF? Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 17:27, 11 March 2018 (UTC)
 * yes, I've read this. I've provided my doze of comments to the current COI practices. To sum up, by doing what you are doing (being super-creepy to paid editors) you are just making the problem worse as more of them would be saying "To hell with these quasi-rules, I never declare paid edits again". So you will just have much more Indian, Pakistani and all other kind of single-purpose accounts apparently "improving" Wikipedia. Punishing paid editors who follow the rules is an easy task because, hey, all their edits are declared! -- Bbarmadillo (talk) 17:35, 11 March 2018 (UTC)
 * also "not approving the standards" and going after one particular user contributions are two different things. -- Bbarmadillo (talk) 17:41, 11 March 2018 (UTC)
 * "you will just have much more Indian, Pakistani and all other kind.." I wasn't expecting jingoism today, but here it is. Chris Troutman  ( talk ) 17:44, 11 March 2018 (UTC)
 * , we've heard all these arguments before. Most paid editing is underground anyway - until some users are forced to come clean. No one is 'punishing' anyone, except perhaps from depriving them from making a fast buck out of our voluntary work. No one is going after one particular user - we investigate them all. That's what COIN is all about. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 17:52, 11 March 2018 (UTC)
 * this is not what you've said above. What you've said looked like Wikihounding. Hence this topic. -- Bbarmadillo (talk) 18:00, 11 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Some of our best editors fighting against the overrunning of Wikipedia with spam are South Asian. We do get a lot of spam from South Asia, but some of the most active regular participants on this board are South Asian. I’d encourage you not to make comments that could be taken to imply that editors from one of the largest English-speaking regions of the world are somehow less desirable. TonyBallioni (talk) 21:47, 11 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Admittedly a lot  of spam and vanity comes from outisde Europe, North America, and other Western demographics, but  it's due to  a cultural  dichotomy  and a failure to  understand the difference between Wikipedia and company listing sites. In  my  experience, the most  blatant  and sophisticated exploitation  of the encyclopedia to  make money by  selling  Wikipedia articles comes not from  Asia (where I happen to live and work  for  many  years). Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 02:41, 12 March 2018 (UTC)
 * On a meta-level, is UPE geographically localized? I think not! And I will agree with K's above comment. ~ Winged Blades Godric 03:23, 12 March 2018 (UTC)
 * We have not yet banned paid editing. Until then, we have to judge paid editors by the notability of the topics they accept commissions for, the quality of the edits and their willingness to declare and follow the COI rules in general. I haven't surveyed this editor's articles in detail yet, but most though not all seem to be justified by notability. However, I and other editors have noted that many of them seem to need substantial improvements. I have been making some change for the ones I think sufficiently important especially if they seem to have been volunteer, not paid editing, but I would have expected by now that it would not still be necessary--there is a limit to the patience of volunteers for doing work that other people are being paid for. The editor does follow the current rules, and getting people to declare is after all the purpose of those rules. My priority for editors like this is to see if the editor can learn to write proper non-promotional articles that do not need significant further work. Declared paid editors must expect their work to be examined, and the practical way to do this is editor-by-editor. Concentrating on one editor at a time is not an indication of animus. I would hope paid editors see this as other editors do, as the opportunity for them to improve their quality of work. The purpose should not be to drive out paid editors altogether, but to stop those who persist in submitting unsatisfactory work or who try to avoid the COI requirements. Realistically, this can be expected to remove the lower quality paid editors. Based on what I have seen over the years, if we can do this, there is reason to hope that there will not be many left and the new recruits to the business will be easily spotted. If this succeeds, the community may well not see a need to ban paid editing altogether. If we cannot effectively stop bad paid editing, then even those who philosophically want to permit it may have to conclude it permitting any paid editing is inconsistent with a quality encyclopedia.  DGG ( talk ) 03:49, 12 March 2018 (UTC)
 * While I readily agree that disclosed paid editors do (and should) come under scrutiny, I must admit that threatening to have everything someone has written deleted so that they have to pay back their clients as a lesson is not conducive to a friendly and workable environment. No matter how we may feel about paid editing, if someone is acting in good faith within policy we need to treat them with civility. I can't see how threats such as what started this can be seen as anything other than harassment. - Bilby (talk) 04:35, 12 March 2018 (UTC)
 * I agree that the comment by was not helpful, but I don't think it necessarily amounts to bullying. The fact is, people will continue to be paid to edit regardless of whether it is permitted or not. Treating paid editors who disclose in this way is not at all likely to encourage others to disclose, when, as we all know there are plenty of ways to get away with UPE. It's unfortunate that the community tends to treat disclosed paid editors in this way (see also ) but Bbarmadillo has to accept that paid editing is only tolerated and that by playing by the rules, they draw attention to their edits. The solution from their position is to ensure that they only create articles on subjects that are clearly notable and that articles do not contain anything which could be construed as promotional. SmartSE (talk) 13:36, 12 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Actually i think the comment by does amount to bullying, and is certainly a violation of WP:AGF. Any deletions had better be very well justified, in light of such comments. DES (talk)DESiegel Contribs 17:00, 16 March 2018 (UTC)
 * The comment by Kudpung is not good. The OP should keep in mind that paid editing is tolerated (barely) and not loved, and like it or not you are going to catch some sharp elbows from time to time because you are exploiting the value the community has created to make money for yourself. (see here).   Some people take being exploited personally and lash out.  That should not happen but it will.
 * But you should know that posting complaints like this is going to make everyone look at you and your paid work yet more (opening a thread means that you get looked at too, and people need to look and see if your paid edits should be deleted - hey maybe Kudpung had looked and was correct). The last editor who went down this "aggrieved paid editor" path got themselves indefinitely blocked.
 * It is really just best for you to remain professional (you are doing this for work, after all), take the lumps as they come and not make drama over them, and make sure your paid edits are super high quality and of course, disclosed and put through prior review.  Jytdog (talk) 17:20, 16 March 2018 (UTC)
 * The best response to claims of bullying and harassment - even on Wikipedia - should not be to say "take the lumps" and "if you complain, you risk getting blocked". That's bordering on bullying in its own right. - Bilby (talk) 10:30, 18 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Yes you made that response to me before, when I said a similar thing about the editor who was acting all aggrieved like Bbarmadillo... who continued on down that bad path and get himself indefinitely blocked. I'm telling you, having a thin skin and being a paid editor do not go well together, and paid editors who get aggrieved do not last long. It really is best for them to keep their eye on the mission of WP and their own mission to get paid; it is very very hard to do both... heck volunteer editors who get all aggrieved also end up doing self-destructive things. Everybody needs to be resilient; paid editors more than most. That's all I am saying. Jytdog (talk) 16:32, 18 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Yes, I'm aware that I pointed out that before. And I'm also aware that you still failed to get it now. You do not respond to bullying by saying that people should learn to accept it, and you don't respond to complaints of harassment by raising the possibility of being blocked for complaining. Especially when it was you who initiated the block discussion for the previous editor. - Bilby (talk) 20:00, 18 March 2018 (UTC)
 * The AN I filed had overwhelming consensus to indef as you well know. And I didn't respond to this before, but I have never said "if you complain you risk getting blocked." You are actively twisting what I am saying.  This is our typical interaction lately and I will not be replying to you further. Jytdog (talk) 20:08, 18 March 2018 (UTC)
 * You wrote "The last editor who went down this 'aggrieved paid editor' path got themselves indefinitely blocked". I'm not sure how to read that other than "if you complain too much, you risk getting blocked". If you agree that the person has a valid concern, which you did, what you wrote was inappropriate. That said, the last editor wasn't blocked for complaining, as you may recall - it was for serious problems with misuse of OTRS and ongoing issues with their paid editing. - Bilby (talk) 20:17, 18 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Which does not say "they risk punishment if they complain". If you cannot make a distinction between "loss of focus and an approach to the community that leads to self-destructive behavior that leads to a block" from "complain and you will be blocked", you are either incompetent or actively twisting my words.  I am getting very close to requesting an IBAN as I am getting tired of your consistent twisting  of what I write. Please just refrain from talking about me or talking to me, and I will do the same. Jytdog (talk) 20:25, 18 March 2018 (UTC)
 * I can't see how that is twisting what you wrote at all. You wrote:
 * "But you should know that posting complaints like this is going to make everyone look at you and your paid work yet more ... The last editor who went down this "aggrieved paid editor" path got themselves indefinitely blocked."
 * Maybe there is some other way of reading this other than making complaints risks a block, but I can't see it. However, we clearly aren't going to make any progress discussing this. - Bilby (talk) 20:34, 18 March 2018 (UTC)
 * You have your  own special  standards regarding  paid editing, . The point   is making  is that the vast  majority  of the volunteers don't  like  the encyclopedia they  build and maintain for  free being  blatantly  exploited by  'career' paid editors. Exploitation  of this kind even when complying  with  our  barely  tolerated current  rules, is not  good faith  work and never can be. Those paid editors are inevitably  going  to  come under extreme scrutiny and the community  is perfectly  at  liberty  to  voice their disaproval  of it. How they  do it is another matter, but  a comment  I  made on  my  own  talk  page might  not  have been phrased as nicely  as it  should have been;   the inference was nevertheless clear, but it can hardly  be construed in  that  context as bullying. I  suggest  you  give it  a rest -  not  because I feel personally  affected by  it, but persistently  perpetuating  this thread is not  the best way to  go, it's not  what  COIN is for. If you  have anything  to  say  to  me or Jyt, say it on our  talk  pages. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 11:24, 18 March 2018 (UTC)
 * My comment in this case to Jytdog was not about paid editing, but about the correct response to claims of harassment and bullying. You should never both say that the treatment was bad, and at the same time tell someone that they risk punishment if they complain and that they should learn to take it. That is an inappropriate response, and borders on perpetuating the harassment.
 * Paid edits should be scrutinized. But that's not the same as saying that you should live with harassment and not complain. - Bilby (talk) 11:52, 18 March 2018 (UTC)
 * No one is saying that "they risk punishment if they complain". Jytdog (talk) 20:12, 18 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Would either warn each of them or block them from 24-48 hours. That's just me, though.  ⌤TheMitochondriaBoi⌤ (☎) 15:48, 30 March 2018 (UTC)

Polyarc reactor




Polyarc reactor is a type (or brand?) of methanizer produced by a company called Activated Research, activatedresearch.com. All the major contributors to this promotional-sounding article are single purpose accounts. One account has an obvious username connection to the company. (WP:OUTING prevents me, I think, from saying anything about the other account). The IP is adding links to activatedresearch.com to the methanizer article. Jetanizer is an article about another Activated Research product and was created by Activated2014 and then deleted as blatant advertising (User:Activated2014/sandbox is probably a copy of that deleted article). Should Polyarc reactor be deleted also or redirected to methanizer? Deli nk (talk) 19:16, 29 March 2018 (UTC)


 * Regarding the "other account" of which you speak, I found this cool thing called a "Google search" that lets me put in combinations of words (including names) and then returns web pages that have these words. I got some interesting results when I put in the account name and the name of the company. Shock Brigade Harvester Boris (talk) 02:10, 30 March 2018 (UTC)


 * This may be related to the Rockwell Turbo entabulator. I know this is not allowed, but a redirect to Turbo encabulator]] would be fitting. 104.163.147.121 (talk) 06:01, 30 March 2018 (UTC)


 * Grounds for a sockpuppet investigation, surely? Deb (talk) 10:24, 30 March 2018 (UTC)
 * blocked Activated2014 for promo user name. I think a check user would probably reveal what we know in our hearts.--Dloh cier ekim  (talk) 16:22, 30 March 2018 (UTC)

Alberto Frigo
Massively edited by article subject following failed deletion request by subject. I'm not sure which version to roll it back to. It is in a sorry state. After the AfD it was 15K; it is now at almost 100K, following additions of mainly above accounts. 104.163.147.121 (talk) 23:01, 29 March 2018 (UTC)
 * (older account)
 * (older account)
 * (older account)
 * (older account)


 * All of the contributors are SPAs and seem to all be Frigo himself. I've re-AfDed and suggested WP:TNT and suggested also to block/ban all of the accounts from touching any form of the article if it survives or is recreated. Since this is an artist, I'd also like to ping admin to see if he has any further suggestions or input. Softlavender (talk) 03:50, 30 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Thank you kindly. That seems to be a good solution.104.163.147.121 (talk) 04:55, 30 March 2018 (UTC)
 * The Table of Contents of that autobiography alone is a shocking document, and the fact that one example of the subject's own writings is cited 53 times shows that the article completely fails NPOV and should either be deleted or subjected to countless whacks with a machete. That level of self-indulgent promotionalism makes it difficult for me to evaluate notability until I sleep on it a bit. Cullen328  Let's discuss it  05:43, 30 March 2018 (UTC)
 * I am pretty sure that the subject thought "you won;t delete my article? Well then, I'll give you an article!" It's a surprisingly effective tactic as I just voted delete at the AfD.104.163.147.121 (talk) 05:56, 30 March 2018 (UTC)
 * OTOH, his web site matches the article style.104.163.147.121 (talk) 05:58, 30 March 2018 (UTC)


 * Comment WP:SPA is not a part of Wikipedia policy. I'm not convinced of the existence of some guilt of writing this article.--178.223.66.25 (talk) 12:42, 30 March 2018 (UTC)
 * adding 85kb of material on oneself is a big time guilt-inducing event on Wikipedia, unless you happen to be Neil Young or the Queen.104.163.147.121 (talk) 01:00, 31 March 2018 (UTC)

Leo Burnett Worldwide (Publicis)


I should probably give this article a rest before it becomes an edit war with the other editor. Could somebody else keep an eye on this? ☆ Bri (talk) 06:12, 28 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Comment--✅--Cleaned and watchlisted. ~ Winged Blades Godric 07:01, 28 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Thanks very much. Glad I wasn't the only one seeing problems there. BTW this is a Publicis subsidiary. We're getting hit hard by these guys. ☆ Bri (talk) 14:52, 28 March 2018 (UTC)

Book Promotion...?


A new user, using an IP account, advised in this talk page post that he is the author of a book about port visits by US Navy ships to ports in Australia. He has been editing numerous US Navy ship articles, to add his book as a source, to instances where the article denotes an Australian post visit by that ship, even if there is already an attached source supporting that info. Examples; FYI - the WOLF  child  11:21, 2 April 2018 (UTC)
 * USS Texas (CGN-39), USS Phoenix (SSN-702), USS Worden (CG-18), USS John F. Kennedy (CV-67), USS Lockwood (FF-1064).
 * COIN notice
 * It looks like they haven't continued since April 2. Most of their changes have been rolled back. EdJohnston (talk) 19:01, 11 April 2018 (UTC)

David Garrard (property developer)


I'd reverted additions on this article which seemed to me to give undue weight to one particular activity and discussion had taken place on the talk page with the other editor. A new editor, Gunn Ben 66, has appeared now and made a [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=David_Garrard_%28property_developer%29&type=revision&diff=833220673&oldid=832600373 substantial (though unreferenced) expansion to the article), but says in their edit summary "The changes are now factually correct, the dates are accurate and they have come from Sir David Garrard via his Personal Assistant. Miss C. Bromley Executive Assistant to Sir David Garrard FRICS Tel: +44 (0)207 224 0050)" Not sure on what to do here, to be honest. Bastun Ėġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ! 14:22, 31 March 2018 (UTC)
 * I undid the changes by the SPA. We're not here to serve as a web host for editors related to the subject. 104.163.147.121 (talk) 18:16, 31 March 2018 (UTC)


 * Dear Wikipedia,I can confirm that there is no COI with the person (David Garrard - property developer) who's original article on Wikipedia was factually incorrect. Im led to believe that the course of action was David Garrard who is clearly upset with the original page, asked his Personal Assistant (PA) to approach a business associate of mine. The business associate did not know much about Wikipedia so he approached me to make the necessary changes. At no time have I met Sir David Garrard and his PA and only received the changes in a word document.  My input is on a goodwill basis. I hope this satisfies you that there is no COI and my involvement was to assist a friend.   The objective is to ensure Wikipedia has accurate information on Sir David Garrard. Best intentions. Ben GunnBen Gunn (talk) 18:30, 31 March 2018 (UTC)


 * Dear Wikipedia, Further to my last input to the COI regarding David Garrard; I am new to Wikipedia and would appreciate any advice on how I obtain references on somebody I do not know or know nothing about. Would it be appropriate to remove the original page until a decision is made regarding COI? I have no doubt that the original editor of David Garrards page had best intentions in mind, however, to avoid further upset to Sir David, can I respectfully request that there is a blank page? Thank you, any advice on references or getting the facts authenticated would be appreciated. Ben GunnBen Gunn (talk) 18:57, 31 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Hello! We do not generally communicate with article subjects, as it reduces independence. Doing what you did (replace a page edited by volunteer editors with a page written by the article subject) is in effect working for the article subject. With such a clear conflict of interest (as you say trying "to avoid further upset to Sir David") you would be advised to stay away form the page.  104.163.147.121 (talk) 19:03, 31 March 2018 (UTC)


 * Update: numerous editors have swooped in and brought the article up to good condition. It's neutral but tagged COI, which might be a good idea for the time being. 104.163.147.121 (talk) 22:15, 31 March 2018 (UTC)

SudhanshuKumar1 potential promotional editing and failure to properly disclose


Editor SudhanshuKumar1 (talk) might be a case of undisclosed paid editing or improperly conducted disclosed paid editing. Their first edit was to disclose that they had been paid by Digital Sukoon on behalf of SIS Security. This is concerning, for while SudhanshuKumar1 never edited (to my knowledge, edits could have been deleted, but doubtful) anything in relation to SIS Security, Digital Sukoon is a digital marketing and PR firm that offers "Wikipedia Creation, Correction and Updation." (see here ) as one of it's main features. Since his joining the project in December 2017, SudhanshuKumar1 has created a number of articles, some of which have been deleted or are undergoing deletion for being non-notable or promotional. In addition, the editor engages (per his uploads at ) in the usual COI/UDP/DPE practice of being able to obtain images of his article subjects, though this could also be a case of lacking copyright attribution. In any case, we should keep an eye on the situation.

I would also like to ask: SudhanshuKumar1, could you comment and clarify the situation for us? SamHolt6 (talk) 19:24, 30 March 2018 (UTC)
 * I concur with and believe this definitely a case of undisclosed paid editing and the articles should be TNTed for violating WP:PAID and WP:TOU. Being the founder of Digital Sukoon a digital marketing and PR firm that offers "Wikipedia Creation, Correction and Updation" failed to disclose his connection with the subjects listed above especially with Baba Motion Pictures and its founder Pradeep K Sharma. GSS  (talk |c|em ) 05:30, 31 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Twist in the story, SudhanshuKumar1 was registered as earlier who was blokced by  for violating WP:PAID. GSS  (talk |c|em ) 05:45, 31 March 2018 (UTC)
 * I've blocked as a proven sock as the contribution style is very similar, in addition to the name. Anything that can't be deleted as G11 can go the G5 way now. &mdash; Spaceman  Spiff  06:40, 31 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Perfect! I will go with G5. Thank you – GSS (talk |c|em ) 06:44, 31 March 2018 (UTC)


 * Sockpuppet investigations/Abhishek4889/Archive refers the master account. &mdash; Spaceman  Spiff  10:36, 31 March 2018 (UTC)
 * The CU found them unlikely to Sudhanshu6454 and later the case was moved to Abhishek4889 as the master but I think it worth comparing his behaviour with Abhishek4889 or other users in this farm. GSS (talk |c|em ) 12:58, 31 March 2018 (UTC)
 * I'm fairly confident they are the same, Sudhanshu6454 became active after a two week absence today and made an almost identical case for their account not to be blocked. Also, thank you to the editors above for following up on my entry. SamHolt6 (talk) 13:47, 31 March 2018 (UTC)
 * SudhanshuKumar1 was asked to add unblock request from their original account, at User talk:Sudhanshu6454. GSS (talk |c|em ) 17:28, 31 March 2018 (UTC)


 * Comment---Is there any restrictions or guidelines over Commons, as to PE et al?! ~ Winged Blades Godric 05:30, 1 April 2018 (UTC)

Steamworks Brewing Company


New account has added a lot of new material and some of it with a heavy promotional tone to the page in question. Some of the information added appears to not be appropriate for a Wikipedia article (broad information on where to buy product) but user has readded material back in after my revert and COI notice on their talk page. COI is suspected and user has avoided my query about their potential COI. Air.light (talk) 22:40, 31 March 2018 (UTC)
 * I reverted back to the last COI-free version, and added a notability tag. I used to go there when it was in Gastown, it's just an average bar. I'd suggest an AFD, as deletion is probably the best solution.104.163.147.121 (talk) 02:34, 1 April 2018 (UTC)
 * I agree. The article was on AfD in 2012, with the result Keep, and I have now AfD'd it again, see Articles for deletion/Steamworks Brewing Company (2nd nomination). As for the SPA User:Creator2018, they haven't edited since March 21, and may not be aware of the appeals for them to disclose any COI they may have, so I've left them alone for now. Bishonen &#124; talk 21:46, 2 April 2018 (UTC).

Phil Heath
I was going through pending changes and I noticed this user, adding very promotionally worded and WP:PEACOCK type content to Phil Heath (see here). They have done this before in March, as well as removing negative content like any mention of a divorce, as shown in these two diffs, and, where they were then warned by. However, they appear to have neglected the warning and I have since dropped them a new one. It appears to be a COI of Phil Heath who made the app "PhitApp". HickoryOughtShirt?4 (talk) 22:05, 2 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Despite the second warning, the editor just edited the page again with this edit summary "Deleted promotional link in other ventures as requested by editor." meaning they are likely in direct contact with Phil Heath . It is fine to mention Phit App on the Wiki page that isn't the problem. The problem is the very promotionally worded content and the removing of references. HickoryOughtShirt?4 (talk) 22:13, 2 April 2018 (UTC)
 * --Article cleaned and an Username+COI block sought.Best, ~ Winged Blades Godric 11:54, 3 April 2018 (UTC)

Sajith Raj
Users: Articles:

AdiiRam was registered a day after RHaworth deleted Draft:Sajith Raj which was created by Arjunlemona, and soon after AdiiRam recreated the same article in draftpsace Arjunlemona starts creating articles on films related to Sajith Raj. If somebody look at and  as per the use of external links, ref etc. it looks like created by the same person and both made their last edit on 28th of last month, also as per this image uploaded by AdiiRam it smell something fishy. GSS (talk |c|em ) 19:11, 3 April 2018 (UTC)

User:Varunpeter143 ?


Only edits by this editor in 2018 have been to this movie, not yet released, and its actress. (No edits shown in 2017.) No response to inquiry about conflict of interest. Robert McClenon (talk) 19:06, 4 April 2018 (UTC)

Reene 23 sockfarm
See Sockpuppet investigations/Reene 23. This is ongoing CU-wise but it's fairly obvious that they are UPEs. This is a list of articles created by users originally listed there by that require eyes:


 * Prod
 * Prod
 * Prod
 * Prod At Afd.
 * Prod
 * Seems to be an important new concept/movement, where folk can choose what software is on their device, instead of                        manufacturers bundling crapware. Italy has a bill on motion, on the subject. scope_creep (talk) 11:42, 29 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Blanked with redirect.
 * Prod At Afd.
 * At Afd.
 * Prod
 * Prod At Afd.
 * At Afd.
 * Prod
 * At Afd.
 * Prod

Some of them may not be problematic, but there is no doubt that this groups of editors are up to something nefarious. SmartSE (talk) 21:58, 28 March 2018 (UTC)


 * Edits like this are clearly WP:REFSPAM as well, but they are quite well hidden between other edits. I will try and generate a list of possibly problematic links. SmartSE (talk) 10:20, 29 March 2018 (UTC)
 * And one more: . SmartSE (talk) 18:30, 6 April 2018 (UTC)

Eyes on editor Rusboot

 * , now at AfD
 * , deleted as G11/G12, re-created as copyvio with OTRS claim, now listed at WP:CP
 * , moved to draft by Justlettersandnumbers
 * , now at AfD
 * , deleted as G11/G12, re-created as copyvio with OTRS claim, now listed at WP:CP
 * , moved to draft by Justlettersandnumbers
 * , now at AfD
 * , deleted as G11/G12, re-created as copyvio with OTRS claim, now listed at WP:CP
 * , moved to draft by Justlettersandnumbers
 * , moved to draft by Justlettersandnumbers

Requesting some other editors take a look at edits by Rusboot (talk]). Notably, the editor in question began his editing career by declaring a paid connection, though he never edited the subject in question. They have recently been creating a number of articles that should be looked at, namely Nandy (singer) and Mwasiti. Both of these articles use images that were claimed as the "own work" of User:Saleh Gadau on the Wikimedia commons who has made no other contributions. Note that both articles where created several hours apart. A similar instance can seen on a former version of Chad Tennies, another article created by Rusboot, in which another single edit account on the commons  uploaded an image  claimed as "own work" that Rusboot used.

This could all be coincidence of course, but Rusboot has also been asked about potential conflicts of interest and has thus far declined to respond. Pinging User:Rusboot, could you clarify your situation? I will also like to ping Justlettersandnumbers, as they have also commented on Rusboot's situation. SamHolt6 (talk) 00:52, 23 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Looks to be Sockpuppet_investigations/Bythebooklibrary. SmartSE (talk) 08:49, 23 March 2018 (UTC)
 * I share the concerns of, partly because the editing pattern is so atypical of a good-faith new user, and so typical of a paid hack. More specifically, the images of Nandy and Mwasiti are obviously the work of a professional, and it is probably no co-incidence that they were uploaded by a user with the same name as a "talent manager" in Dar es-Salaam who acts for both artists, nor that Rusboot created both articles within less than twenty-four hours. Rusboot has now his/her paid editor status. I was going to propose moving all article creations to draft space for volunteer editor review, but if  is right about the socking then I imagine they will be deleted instead. At least some of these people are notable, I think. Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 13:25, 23 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Rusboot mentions here that they have also been paid by Lastee to edit his article and make changes to another. All of this was not properly disclosed, so I will add the appropriate UDP tags until such a disclosure is made.--SamHolt6 (talk) 13:30, 23 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Justlettersandnumbers As I've mentioned there it's actually more likely to be Sockpuppet_investigations/Vukhudo, but it's fairly academic when it's abundantly clear that Rusboot is not a new editor. SmartSE (talk) 13:32, 23 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Rusboot has now stated that they were unaware of our disclosure policy. I'm moving to tag all of their articles with the UDP tag, as they are all suspect and Rusboot has declined to make an appearance here despite my earlier pings.--SamHolt6 (talk) 14:21, 24 March 2018 (UTC)


 * Prior to seeing this thread, I started looking through 's history. I've WP:G12'd several of his creations as blatent copyvios, and sent a few others to AfD.  Strongly suggest this editor be banned and everything they've created be inspected for copyvios and/or spam which needs to be eradicated.  -- RoySmith (talk) 19:00, 23 March 2018 (UTC)
 * --I'm sure that you're already aware of this, but as a gentle reminder, in cases where an editor is found to have indulged in UPE beyond any reasonable doubt (irrespective of his own version) and the UPE policy to mandatorily vet the articles through AFC was not followed, you can choose to unilaterally draftify any article, pending which it can be re-mainspaced only by an AFCReviewer.Best, ~ Winged Blades Godric 07:31, 28 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Well, as an admin, I have to ability to do lots of things :-) I'll confess I'm not up on all the nuances of UPE policy; could you provide a link to where it discusses unilateral draftification as a standard procedure?  -- RoySmith (talk) 14:39, 28 March 2018 (UTC)
 * That's something any editor can do to any article. TonyBallioni (talk) 14:46, 28 March 2018 (UTC)
 * I've done just that to the article Lastee that the editor created in mainspace again. Dom from Paris (talk) 13:50, 8 April 2018 (UTC)

Mauro Mori


Single-purpose account only editing this draft. No response to COI inquiry. MicheG87 may be Mauro Mori. Robert McClenon (talk) 15:45, 6 April 2018 (UTC)
 * I looked at that one. We need an A86 speedy delete criteria: "86 this article on the basis of persistent and sustained egotistical/narcissistic effort exceeding 6 months."104.163.158.37 (talk) 22:31, 8 April 2018 (UTC)

COI edits by User:SomnathSG and User:SomnathSNG
Hi, I don't know if its the right place to report or not, but those 2 are editing Observer Research Foundation article, and they are using multiple accounts to do it, which, considering their intend, is against our policies. For the revision history see this and this.--Biografer (talk) 19:42, 2 April 2018 (UTC)
 * --I have culled the article, fleshing the promo-stuff out.Will be watch-listing.Best, ~ Winged Blades Godric 11:47, 3 April 2018 (UTC)
 * why not just move it to AfD? I looked for sources and could not find in-depth coverage, just name checks.104.163.158.37 (talk) 23:16, 8 April 2018 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure about whether this merits an independent article.If you wish for an AfD, you can proceed accordingly, after creating an account.Best, ~ Winged Blades Godric  08:58, 9 April 2018 (UTC)

Matthew Kenney


Morganwhite33 is edit warring to try to add promotional, unsourced material to this article. Appears to be a COI situation, given their lack of edits to other articles. Cordless Larry (talk) 07:10, 10 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Morganwhite33 has been indeffed for edit warring. The Mighty Glen (talk) 15:31, 10 April 2018 (UTC)

Rip Rapson
It looks like nearly everyone to ever edit this page is WP:PAID or otherwise has a COI. More eyes needed, needs to be re-written and formatted from top to bottom. Beeblebrox (talk) 19:59, 5 April 2018 (UTC)

At Afd.scope_creep (talk) 08:51, 11 April 2018 (UTC)

Danieli Wikipedia


Dears, I am working for Danieli Marketing department and I would like to update our page with the current information. The info that is published at the moment is outdated and some info is incorrect. Please give me the possibility to edit the page and insert the photos. Thank you. TeacherJass (talk) 13:11, 10 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Editing a page in which you have personal involvement is a really bad idea. It's much better to propose changes on the article's talk page. A quick check shows the article in its current state (and even more so before the recent reversion) is excessively promotional in tone. Shock Brigade Harvester Boris (talk) 13:24, 10 April 2018 (UTC)
 * There are at least two other undisclosed paid editors, User:Natascia Presello and the Danieli corporate IP User:84.233.154.253, that edited this article in the past. --Drm310 🍁 (talk) 19:10, 10 April 2018 (UTC)
 * I made some trims to reduce the puffery.104.163.158.37 (talk) 03:21, 11 April 2018 (UTC)
 * The latest edits by User:TeacherJass have been blatantly promotional -- seriously, "We hold the latest technologies and have the capability to continuously innovate..." etc? The article needs more eyes. Shock Brigade Harvester Boris (talk) 08:50, 11 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Yes, I have reverted them. Danieli Automation had the same problems, I have boldly redirected it to the parent company. SmartSE (talk) 09:42, 11 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Can you please tell me what to do to make this work. I will modify the texts, and try not to use the promotional ones, but... The numbers on the right side aren't correct, the logo is the old one, Danieli is using a different one, and I want to put the list of the sister companies. Can you give me a hand, pls? I understand the issue, but certain items were just a pure info, not the marketing content. Thank you for understanding. TeacherJass (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 10:19, 11 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Post a message to Talk:Danieli describing what you think needs to be fixed, and then leave it alone. Chris Troutman  ( talk ) 10:22, 11 April 2018 (UTC)
 * I will not comment further until you acknowledge that you have read and understood Conflict of interest. Shock Brigade Harvester Boris (talk) 10:27, 11 April 2018 (UTC)

Promotional editing at Rayla
An editor with a fairly blatant conflict of interest created and edited Rayla. I can infer from KDGMusicGroup's name that a conflict of interest exists. A second editor by the name of Ksask128184 (talk) has also edited the article, including multiple attempts (per their contributions ) to remove COI and UDP maintenance templates from the article. In addition, an image uploaded to the Commons by KDGMusicGroup appears to not be used without attribution, which strongly implies that the photo is actually the "own work" of KDG. This implies a close connection to the subject. I previously filed an SPI at Sockpuppet investigations/KDGMusicGroup, but was informed that per our SOFTBLOCK policy KDGMusicGroup was allowed to create a second account and does not have to disclose that their first and second accounts are related. That being said, i'm requesting more eyes on the article and that we keep tabs on Ksask128184.

In addition, I would like to ask directly;, do you have any sort of business or personal connection to Rayla, and are you related to KDGMusicGroup?--SamHolt6 (talk) 13:52, 11 April 2018 (UTC)

Sophia Cacciola

 * Currently being cleaned. Half done. Watched scope_creep (talk) 16:37, 11 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Currently being cleaned. Half done. Watched scope_creep (talk) 16:37, 11 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Currently being cleaned. Half done. Watched scope_creep (talk) 16:37, 11 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Currently being cleaned. Half done. Watched scope_creep (talk) 16:37, 11 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Currently being cleaned. Half done. Watched scope_creep (talk) 16:37, 11 April 2018 (UTC)

Based on the editing/collaboration patterns on these accounts/articles, as well as the obvious WP:REFBOMB on Sophia Cacciola, I believe there may be a violation of the COI guidelines. power~enwiki ( π, ν ) 21:58, 8 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Got your notice. I'm not personally related, besides meeting Sophia at a con once. I'm just interested in alternative film and underground art. Let me know if I can help. -- Huntelaar017 (talk) 09:19, 9 April 2018 (UTC)
 * The Grenzfurthner article is very promotional, he seems to have 13 jobs. scope_creep (talk) 09:26, 9 April 2018 (UTC) scope_creep (talk) 09:26, 9 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Unsurprisingly, we German speakers have a word for that: Kunstprekariat. (You better have 13 jobs, 'cause no one is paying well.) ___ K-pachs (talk) 16:33, 9 April 2018 (UTC)
 * I'm editor at Q21 (http://www.q21.at/). It's part of my/our mission to feature resident artists/events/films that were initiated by artists and curators at MQ. Sophia and Michael were AiRs at Q21/MQ, that's why I'm engaged. Conflict? Interstellarpoliceman (talk) 10:29, 9 April 2018 (UTC)
 * I think that is the type of COI that needs to be declared somewhere, either on your user page or the article talk page. In this case, the discussion here may be sufficient, though I'll let the regulars here comment. power~enwiki ( π,  ν ) 19:37, 9 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the info. First of all, I'm not getting paid for this kind of support. I'm volunteering, but please let me know what I can do, I don't want to get anyone in trouble. I can definitely add something to my user page, please advise. Interstellarpoliceman (talk) 20:53, 9 April 2018 (UTC)
 * I updated my user page, to better reflect my mission. Interstellarpoliceman (talk) 13:03, 11 April 2018 (UTC)

Requesting help with potential COI and lack of article neutrality


Can someone please take a look at edits made by Steelgraham on the Elsevier page? Over the past three years he has made more than 40 edits to the page. Without exception, each has been negative. His profile states that he is an Open Science Enthusiast who volunteers in an advisory capacity for PLOS – a direct competitor of Elsevier. Is this not the type of “close personal or business connection with article topics” that should preclude someone from editing an article? He has also published numerous blog articles expressing anti-Elsevier views. His edits all appear to “advance outside interests” (ie. promoting personal views at the expense of a fair and balanced article) more than they advance the aims of Wikipedia. Another editor placed a note at the top of the page back in September, acknowledging that there was a problem with the neutrality of the page, but he has nonetheless added more negative content – most of which was not particularly notable or worthy of inclusion on a Wikipedia article. The result is that Elsevier has a page whose Controversies section makes up more than two thirds of the whole article. People have a right to their opinions, but surely that isn’t what Wikipedia is about? For transparency, I work for Elsevier’s parent company, which is clearly stated in my profile, but I’ve always remained neutral and followed Wikipedia’s neutrality and COI guidelines. It’s just very hard to contribute to a balanced article when one side with a grudge against Elsevier is constantly trying to further their own agenda at the article’s expense. Many thanks. Ryoba (talk) 11:01, 11 April 2018 (UTC)


 * I'm not sure about the COI here. The crux of the issue is whether Steelgraham has edited the page in a good faith attempt to improve the coverage, or whether they have been doing so to "punish" Elsevier and "promote" OA. That they have added negative content, doesn't automatically mean that they have done so in order to further their own aims over Wikipedia's. The article suffers from an WP:ADAM-like style and undoubtedly should be reorganised so that the critical information is incorporated throughout per Criticism but this has been the case since 2015 when Steelgraham made their first edit to the article. Can you please point out any of their edits that you think are particualrly problematic? SmartSE (talk) 12:55, 11 April 2018 (UTC)


 * Thanks for looking into this. I agree that the page would very much benefit from being re-organised to integrate any criticism, and to remove the troll-bait Controversies section, but I'm not sure how to go about getting someone to do that? If we just leave it and wait, then I can't see it happening. Likewise, it's great to hear that someone recognises the WP:ADAM-like style, but I'm not sure who will do anything about it? Specifically regarding Steelgraham's edits - the main problem I have is with the quantity of poorly-sourced edits (generally to other OA sites), or edits which aren’t notable, coming from someone who is very open about his dislike for Elsevier - the volume of these updates combines to make the article unbalanced, and I can't see how someone who is vocally critical of a subject can make good faith updates about that same subject. I've added a few examples of posts that I see as being problematic.


 * 5 April: Added EU's Open Science Monitor criticism - This is a good example - He's added criticism sourced to an article entitled 'Hated Science Publisher Elsevier to Help EU Monitor Open Science'. Obviously not a fair or balanced source.


 * Similarly, the various country boycotts that he added - In fairness, he has since updated them with a line that says "subsequently a deal was reached" - but the original "controversy" still remains. Essentially it says that something bad might have happened... but then it didn't. So it doesn't seem right to fill up the page with these.


 * 21 May 2017: Added details of Paywall Watch with relevant citations - He claims "Elsevier are one of the most frequent publishers who have been found to be selling open access content" - whilst sourcing it to his own website http://www.paywallwatch.com/contact


 * 26 June 2015: Parent organisation links to weapons industry - Claims made about a totally different RELX Group business were added to the Elsevier page. I can't think of any other reason for that being there than to "punish" Elsevier? That claim was subsequently removed by another editor, but it has re-surfaced recently (this time un-sourced)


 * Ryoba (talk) 14:46, 11 April 2018 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the specifics. 5 April is sourced to Techdirt, which while not a brilliant source, it is not inherently biased and seems ok for supporting what was added. The boycotts are definitely worthy of mention, but they are probably given too much weight at the moment and should be combined into one section, rather than listing every country separately, as in the Nature coverage. Regardless of whether they went ahead or not, the coverage in Science shows it was considered important, and it is not up to us as editors to make a judgement, but rather to follow the sources.
 * The addition of links to http://www.paywallwatch.com is problematic though, and does change the COI issue more generally too, as it makes it clear that Steelgraham is involved in advocacy against Elsevier in real life, definitely more problematic than being a volunteer with PLOS. I've removed these links and note that Steelgraham should not add more links to the site per WP:SELFCITE.
 * The weapons thing was UNDUE and had already been removed. I've removed the unsourced part that was added, but that wasn't added by Steelgraham AFAICT. SmartSE (talk) 17:52, 11 April 2018 (UTC)


 * That sounds good to me. Thanks for looking at this, and for the balanced response. Ryoba (talk) 08:48, 12 April 2018 (UTC)

E!


Editor has been continually been trying to finesse his autobio here, along with the article of E! (a network they founded) to their 'proper version'; it's been a very slow-rolling editing issue going back to their arrival in 2009, especially on the E! article, which has been reverted many times to the properly sourced version of E!'s founding. They seem to have also used IPs on their autobio to avoid further scrutiny.  Nate  • ( chatter ) 00:35, 10 April 2018 (UTC)
 * I've cleaned and watched the Alan Mruvka article. It heavily promoted the business interest of Alan Mruvka, that have now been removed. scope_creep (talk) 09:06, 12 April 2018 (UTC)

Ian Fitchuk


The only edits that this editor has made have been about Ian Fitchuk. A question about COI has not been answered. Robert McClenon (talk) 01:51, 29 March 2018 (UTC)


 * It's at afc and does not look like it is going to be accepted. You could always tag the draft article with the coi tag.104.163.147.121 (talk) 08:32, 30 March 2018 (UTC)
 * I was told that the COI tag was one of various tags that I was not supposed to use in draft space because they cause the pages to included in categories of articles with various issues. Robert McClenon (talk) 20:54, 30 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Ah that does make sense. Well it will not hurt to cite your concerns on the draft talk page, if you have not done so already.104.163.147.121 (talk) 22:18, 31 March 2018 (UTC)


 * Ian Fitchuk has now appeared in the article namespace. I have sent it to AfD. Derek Andrews (talk) 00:27, 13 April 2018 (UTC)

IrishCentral
and perhaps

Some obviously promotional editing including copyvio. Doug Weller talk 13:18, 11 April 2018 (UTC)
 * is making a mess of the article - a literal mess, they wrecked the formatting. They then went on to delete part of Articles for deletion/IrishCentral. I see none of the editors responded here. The article was speedy deleted as promotional but I persuaded the editor to give it another chance. Doug Weller  talk 06:32, 13 April 2018 (UTC)

Adverse Childhood Experiences Study
I have no conflict of interest. KTKonkel (talk) 18:07, 13 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Your edits relate to your professional work (and very valuable and useful work it is, work I admire a great deal). Please follow the instructions at Conflict of interest. -- Orange Mike &#124;  Talk  18:48, 13 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Looking at KTKonkel's contributions (diff), I'm not seeing any COI edits. The material added was basic information and didn't mention any people or institutions. The one external link added (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1197275/) doesn't appear to have any connection with SAMHSA (who KTKonkel states is their employer). More to the point, SAMHSA is not directly connected with the subject of the article. —Sangdeboeuf (talk) 03:40, 14 April 2018 (UTC)



People publicizing their agency's or ministry's involvement with this study, but not following our mandatory disclosure rules. Orange Mike &#124;  Talk  18:05, 13 April 2018 (UTC)

Orangemike, I am new to Wikipedia, and didn't intend to violate any disclosure rules. How can I rectify this to your satisfaction? — Preceding unsigned comment added by ChrisHaughee (talk • contribs) 18:36, 13 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Follow the instructions at Conflict of interest. -- Orange Mike &#124;  Talk  18:48, 13 April 2018 (UTC)

User:CharlottteCrosby1983
Looks like a single purpose account to promote Simon David Miller. 134.84.126.188 (talk) 14:18, 14 April 2018 (UTC)

Social Distortion tours

 * prod
 * prod
 * prod
 * prod
 * afd.
 * prod
 * prod
 * afd.



I've discovered a number of articles about Social Distortion tours that were all created by the same user in a concert-promoter type way. I'm not well-versed in WP:NCONCERT. Do these individual tours deserve their own articles, should they be merged into the main Social Distortion article, or would it be better to create a "Tours by Social Distortion" page and merge/redirect these articles to one main page? Several of the articles are entirely unsourced. I could speedy or PROD those, but I don't want to do that if other editors more experienced with NCONCERT think they might meet notability guidelines. Thanks for any guidance. Marquardtika (talk) 21:26, 2 April 2018 (UTC)


 * I don't see much to indicate COI, they could just as much be a fan, but unless there is substantial coverage about the tours (more than just reviews on individual gigs etc.) then it's very unlikely we should have articles on them. I'd suggest AFDing the individual articles and adding anything that is salvagable into a section in the band's article. SmartSE (talk) 10:00, 3 April 2018 (UTC)
 * I'll have a squint on them. Looks I'm going to gen up on nconcert.:-) scope_creep (talk) 17:58, 3 April 2018 (UTC)


 * Thanks And now I'm aware of WP:CONCERT, which is helpful. Marquardtika (talk) 05:11, 4 April 2018 (UTC)


 * Looks like fanboy stuff to me. Promoters don't care about history, they care about the current money-making opportunity. Carrite (talk) 20:08, 15 April 2018 (UTC)

"mentioned on Wikipedia" carousel on Google
Search Engine Marketing News has published an article 'Google Adds “Mentioned on Wikipedia” Carousels in Search Results' To get an idea just google "dog food brands" and up comes a horizontal list with pix that links to Wikipedia articles on about 8 dog food brands. It almost seems to guarantee that more companies and SEO black hats will be coming here to write advertising articles. I've tried different searches, e.g. "coffee brands" and "tea brands usa" gets similar carousels (tho "tea" is slightly different), other searches don't come up with carousels though. Does anybody know how this works? Is there anything we should do to prepare for an onslaught? Smallbones( smalltalk ) 01:54, 13 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Reading the article, the data comes from either Category:X or List of X, images culled from their respective articles, then a random sample is taken. ACPERM will help, but the key problem is anything that makes it to mainspace is time-intensive to remove (increased notability requirements notwithstanding). I've been semi-protecting very spam-prone lists but again, that's just sticking fingers in the dyke. The only real solutions are stopping spammers before they sign up, then CSD. MER-C 11:21, 13 April 2018 (UTC)
 * I'm also curious about how google is gathering information for it's search carousel. I conducted a test edit (trying to effect search results for "Coffee brands") by removing Eight O'Clock Coffee from, but after several hours I saw no change in the search carousel. This leads me to believe google is taking data from both List of coffee companies and Category:Coffee brands to fill it's search carousel. Regardless of how they do it, these category pages and lists need watching, as I am fairly certain that companies will not be above editing articles about them on Wikipedia trying to bathe in this new font of publicity.--SamHolt6 (talk) 14:25, 13 April 2018 (UTC)
 * They'll be caching the data they have scraped from us so it is no surprise that several hours later your change didn't make a difference. SmartSE (talk) 15:31, 13 April 2018 (UTC)


 * note, am posting a notice about this at jimbo-talk. This is very unhelpful to us, and I wonder if the WMF can stop the use of our name in advertising like this. Jytdog (talk) 14:28, 13 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Probably nothing; it seems like fair use of a free resource. The fact that a brand is "mentioned" doesn't constitute an endorsement. Carrite (talk) 19:57, 15 April 2018 (UTC)


 * Google's algorithm is definitely not as simple as looking for the enwp category:X when you search for X; for instance, if you search "Companies based in King County, Washington" you get a list referenced to List of companies based in Seattle, even though there does exist Category:Companies based in King County, Washington. But as for the conversation on Jimbo's talk, it's frustrating because after direct SEO optimization and black-hat practices and concerns were noted by Jimbo in response to Jytdog's post, the conversation has slid off into a discussion of whether WMF is paying for Google ads, and whether in those ads it is describing Wikipedia correctly as "fact checked". Bri.public (talk) 17:47, 16 April 2018 (UTC)

Life Time Fitness


I should take a break from this article lest I appear to WP:OWN it; could someone else look at recent edits here? It has had issues for years; see 2009 talkpage, COIN archive 58 (2012), COIN archive 115 (2017) ☆ Bri (talk) 14:30, 14 April 2018 (UTC)

Eurazeo


User:Eurazeo (talk) has continued their spree of editing with a conflict of interest after being previously warned about Wikipedia's COI policy. As far as the editor's history is concerned, they made their first edit(s) to Eurazeo, actions for which I am surprised they were not soft-blocked for. They were then dormant for several months before returning to the project on 4 April 2018 with more edits to the Eurazeo article. They also have attempted multiple times to create an article about Virginie Morgon, the current CEO of Eurazeo. Their article was moved to the draftspace at Draft:Virginie Morgon, and they were warned about editing with a conflict of interest and paid editing , but today they created a new article about Morgon. We should watch this editor, and if there are any admins on I would recommend a belated soft-block for violation of username policy.--SamHolt6 (talk) 14:48, 16 April 2018 (UTC)

An IP that has only edited (per their contributions here ) Eurazeo also shares an editing pattern with User:Eurazeo.--SamHolt6 (talk) 15:58, 16 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Did you know you can report promotional/implied-shared-use usernames at WP:UAA? Bri.public (talk) 17:31, 16 April 2018 (UTC)
 * I did not. Thanks for the tip Bri.--SamHolt6 (talk) 20:49, 16 April 2018 (UTC)

User:NYMediaGuy

 * "Nino Kader (born November 1, 1972) is an American visionary, entrepreneur and author known for his pioneering work in digital public relations."
 * "Nino Kader (born November 1, 1972) is an American visionary, entrepreneur and author known for his pioneering work in digital public relations."


 * "Clayton Swisher is an award-winning American journalist... Described by veteran Middle East reporter Robert Fisk as "one of Al Jazeera's top journalists," Swisher is known for delivering exclusives related to the Arab-Israeli conflict."
 * "Clayton Swisher is an award-winning American journalist... Described by veteran Middle East reporter Robert Fisk as "one of Al Jazeera's top journalists," Swisher is known for delivering exclusives related to the Arab-Israeli conflict."
 * "Clayton Swisher is an award-winning American journalist... Described by veteran Middle East reporter Robert Fisk as "one of Al Jazeera's top journalists," Swisher is known for delivering exclusives related to the Arab-Israeli conflict."



WP:UPE? 81.156.21.204 (talk) 16:16, 16 April 2018 (UTC)
 * It certainly looks like that to me. Deli nk (talk) 16:39, 17 April 2018 (UTC)

User:Spiegelb


Appears to be WP:UPE of primarily non-notable subjects. 157.97.120.36 (talk) 15:09, 16 April 2018 (UTC)
 * I added two more single purpose accounts with overlapping edits. Deli nk (talk) 22:42, 17 April 2018 (UTC)

ADvTECH Group
Systemic abusing of Wikipedia, undisclosed paid editing and promoting private company hiding behind "schools" articles. Which are in essence private enterprises. who just registered accounts in less than 48 hours (as of now, 10:22, 18 April 2018 (UTC)) has become master article creator and knows fully the intricate Wikipedia namespace structure. He knows files too.Uploaded 7 images on Commons, the images speak for themselves. Pinging and  as they are more familiar with this kind of thing. –Ammarpad (talk) 10:22, 18 April 2018 (UTC)

Guys, there really is nothing malicious here from my side. I have disclosed as far as I know that I am an employee. However, it is a major organisation in South Africa and I strongly feel others would benefit from the information. I have tried my very best to correctly cite and reference all the information, and while I appreciate the COI, I would just like some help in resolving it.

There is definitely no bad intentions here. I am brand new to Wikipedia and would appreciate some help in then editing the page to acceptable standards. I am more than happy to engage and learn in the process. Please help me with this as somebody that is still learning the ropes and wants to start contributing to Wikipedia as a whole.ADOHARA (talk) 11:16, 18 April 2018 (UTC)


 * Clearly a massive PR job masquerading as Wikipedia content, by an undeclared paid editor. ADHORA and Wigget are the same person editing under different user names to avoid being seen as too SPA/COI. The Internet confirms O'Hara/Wigget multiple times as 'Digital Marketing and Communications Manager for the ADvTECH Group'. And he has the cheek to write his autobio. They have declared ex post facto, but everyone knows my opinion on that, and on  and exploiting our volunteer produced encyclopedia for promo or pay (see the notice on the top of my talk page). Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 11:48, 18 April 2018 (UTC)
 * ~ Winged Blades Godric 13:05, 18 April 2018 (UTC)

Stephen Gill (lawyer)


From edit summary:

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Stephen_Gill_(lawyer)&diff=prev&oldid=831649698&diffmode=source

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Stephen_Gill_(lawyer)&diff=prev&oldid=831649027&diffmode=source

"Author is subject of text and is not a public figure. Information removed to protect personal privacy."

"Author of edits is the subject of this posting. He is not a public figure and has removed content which violates his human right to privacy."

The editor has been informed about COI policies on their talk page and warned about possible policy violations. They continue to edit the article and related pages, possibly disruptively. ~ ToBeFree (talk) 14:26, 18 April 2018 (UTC)


 * Ping:  ~ ToBeFree (talk) 14:28, 18 April 2018 (UTC)
 * This behavior is unacceptable. I have warned the user yet again. In reference to the "public figure" argument, the subject's run for elected office made him a public figure.  — Jeff G. ツ 15:09, 18 April 2018 (UTC)

Ghost Stories (film)
Hello. I understand if this might be stale but due to time differences, I only noticed this morning. An editor, removed a large part of the plot of Ghost Stories (film) citing "spoilers removed" as their reasoning. I reverted due to my understanding of Spoiler and because their new addition didn't help the plot. I left them a message on their talk page regarding this. They then left me a message on my talk page admitting to be the " co-writer and director of the film". I told them to request changes on the talk page. This morning I noticed a new account (who seems to be the other director) removing the same parts of the plot and adding in an unhelpful (in my opinion) addition in its place. I reverted and left them a message but this might become an ongoing problem. HickoryOughtShirt?4 (talk) 19:47, 12 April 2018 (UTC) — Berean Hunter   (talk)  14:29, 18 April 2018 (UTC) — Berean Hunter   (talk)  18:19, 18 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Dysonjeremy's IPv4 /24 range is shared with only one other user and that is . The former is using a desktop/laptop and the latter is using a phone. Based on director-specific edits, I'd call that a . Dysonjeremy's first edit in seven years was April 12 and Smidgen.Smidge was created on April 13. There is no other activity in that /24 range.
 * There's been a comment made that I may also be using another username. No! I wouldn't know how. I made 2 edits, both relating to British television and film of the 60s/70s. I've never even heard of 'Ghost Stories'. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Smidgen.Smidge (talk • contribs) 16:15, April 18, 2018 (UTC)
 * So what would you suggest I do? Open an SPI? HickoryOughtShirt?4 (talk) 18:12, 18 April 2018 (UTC)
 * No, unless you happen to think this is related to a specific case. I have already checked Dysonjeremy against Andynyman.
 * Dysonjeremy and Andynman probably aren't the same person but they are likely the same Andy Nyman and Jeremy Dyson listed as the co-directors of the film. Dysonjeremy already admitted to being the co-director on my talk page . I was mainly posting here because after I told Dysonjeremy to request edits on the talk page due to their COI this new account pops up and does the same type of edit. I was concerned about the article being overrun by COI. HickoryOughtShirt?4 (talk) 18:29, 18 April 2018 (UTC)

Privateer Holdings


I just removed the mission statement from Privateer Holdings but I think it needs more PR cleanup. ☆ Bri (talk) 22:38, 27 April 2018 (UTC)

Articles for deletion/Günter Bechly

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I am requesting administrative attention to the controversy over the deletion of Günter Bechly, not to review whether the deletion was appropriate, which has already been done twice, but to review the extent of undisclosed paid editing and sockpuppetry. I became aware of this controversy early on 28 April with the filing of a request at the dispute resolution noticeboard. We get occasional issues about deletion at DRN, but we tell the filing party to let the deletion discussion run its course, and that any review of the close of the deletion discussion can be done at deletion review. In this case, the filing party was trying to appeal from DRV to whatever the next authority, if any, is. The DRN case was closed by the dispute resolution coordinator, User:TransporterMan, as outside the scope of DRN.

The filing editor is User:Snoopydaniels. The article was deleted after a discussion at Articles for deletion/Günter Bechly on 6 October 2017. There were numerous Keep comments by IP addresses, which the closer, User:Jo-Jo Eumerus, correctly ignored. The deletion was reviewed the first time at Deletion review/Log/2018 February 3 and the deletion was supported, and closed by User:RoySmith. The deletion was reviewed the second time at Deletion review/Log/2018 April 17 and the deletion was supported, at closed by User:Sandstein. I haven’t researched the question of notability of the subject, who is a German scientist who has adopted anti-evolution views, and don’t have an opinion on the original deletion, although at this point I think that the surrounding controversy may be notability enough.

It was noted in the AFD that there might have been canvassing, which does happen at AFD, but I am more concerned that the disruption by IP addresses and the comments by new editors are characteristic of sockpuppetry. To me, it smells like undisclosed paid editing, but I haven’t researched who might be the sockpuppeteer. The filing editor at DRN made a few edits in 2010 and was then inactive for eight years and now has come back for this controversy.

To restate the above, my concern isn’t about the deletion itself. It is about what appears to be a systematic pattern of sockpuppetry and paid editing. Paid editing is far more of a danger to the integrity of Wikipedia than any one deletion controversy.

Robert McClenon (talk) 15:13, 28 April 2018 (UTC)
 * What I really don't understand is why this is getting dragged through all sorts of litigation. I wrote in my DRV close, Somebody might want to try writing a new draft from scratch, with better sourcing.  So, all issues of socking, COI, etc aside, if your goal is to have an article about this person, go write it, and address the concerns raised in the previous discussions.  I can't guarantee that'll survive review, but surely that's a more productive path forward. -- RoySmith (talk) 15:21, 28 April 2018 (UTC)
 * That is a very good point. I just wasn't sure if starting a new, better sourced article (assuming that the original really was poorly sourced) would constitute a form of edit warring, or a circumvention of the consensus building and dispute resolution process.Snoopydaniels (talk) 15:29, 28 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Just reproducing my comment from the other Noticeboard:
 * I've added a short bio to my user page and included a link to my Facebook page. I'm not being in any way remunerated (on the other hand, I have actually donated to Wikipedia in the past.) I am, however, interested in the intelligent design versus evolution debate and biology more generally. I'm also simply fed up with the poor quality of Wikipedia articles where any sort of controversy is involved. There is absolutely no way an honest person looking at the facts and well informed with respected to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines could come to the conclusion that Dr. Bechly is not notable. If anyone deserves censure, it's those who advocated for deletion in bad faith or in ignorance of Wikipedia's rules. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Snoopydaniels (talk • contribs)
 * User:Snoopydaniels - You write: "If anyone deserves censure, it's those who advocated for deletion in bad faith or in ignorance of Wikipedia's rules".  I agree that anyone who advocated for deletion in bad faith deserves censure.  Ignorance of the detailed arcane rules is simply a common state when the rules are as involved as they are.  However, I see no evidence that anyone advocated for deletion in bad faith, and I see that the good faith of the deletion has already been reviewed twice.  There is solid evidence of bad faith advocacy against the deletion by the bizarre number of IP comments.  The fact that the supporters of Bechly (at least one of them) are continuing to bludgeon the process by arguing at excessive length rather than taking the advice of User:RoySmith also suggests some sort of bad faith.  Robert McClenon (talk) 16:44, 28 April 2018 (UTC)
 * See my response to RoySmith below. I'm happy to take his advice, and I think it's a perfectly sensible compromise. But I had no reason to expect that a new article wouldn't just be deleted for the same reasons that the DRV upheld the previous deletion. RoySmith is one editor. To your other point, if editors are making faulty arguments on the basis of an ignorance of policy, or if they are arguing based on their own ignorance of the available sources, then why should administrators responsible for assessing consensus take those editor's contributions into account? It is no different than taking into account the contribution of sock puppets.Snoopydaniels (talk) 16:55, 28 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Uninvolved editor comment - I am skeptical regarding paid editing here. Off wiki canvassing or jusr plain off wiki coverage (leading to IPs and new editors showing up) is more likely. As for the subject of the afd, he was possibly notable prior to the afd and is probably notable now.Icewhiz (talk) 15:44, 28 April 2018 (UTC)
 * This is getting absurd. I offered you a way to get what you wanted. Go write a new article. If anybody objected, you could have pointed to my comments and said, per RoySmith's suggestion. Instead, you've once again gone off on a rant about censure, honesty, bad faith, etc. I would indef block you as an obvious sock and somebody who's WP:NOTHERE, but I'm involved at this point, so I can't do that. Strongly suggest somebody who's not involved, however, do so. -- RoySmith (talk) 15:48, 28 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Why on earth would I bother writing a new article if the DRV upheld earlier decisions? You weren't the only editor involved in the DRV, so I wasn't about to just write a new article based on your suggestion alone. And the only thing that is absurd is you accusing me of WP:NOTHERE when I'm one of the only people involved in the dispute who is basing his arguments on specific language from Wikipedia's policies and guidelines, which were created specifically to engender high quality content. If people don't want to be accused of acting in bad faith, then they should stop ignoring content guidelines and sources when they are presented. Nobody even addressed the sources I provided in the DRV. They were just ignored. That is not good faith. Snoopydaniels (talk) 16:46, 28 April 2018 (UTC)
 * You say "There is absolutely no way an honest person looking at the facts and well informed with respected to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines could come to the conclusion that Dr. Bechly is not notable." And yet, a dozen editors !voted to delete the article and it was. Eight Wikipedians endorsed that close at DR, and another three endorsed it again. Robert McClenon has been a steady contributor and created 50-odd articles while you have authored zero, but everyone else is out of their mind and you're the only person with correct judgment towards notability? I don't see how you expect anyone to believe you. Usually, new un-accomplished editors that tilt at windmills like this have some sort of irreconcilable problem because I cannot otherwise understand why you won't accept you don't have consensus, regardless of who's wrong. Chris Troutman  ( talk ) 17:03, 28 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Go look at the most recent DRV for yourself. Nobody even addressed the sources I provided and nobody other than me bothered to get into any specifics about how various policies applied to the situation. If I'm wrong, then nobody even tried to explain why in any detailed way. Under such circumstances, how can you possibly expect me to believe that these other editors are informed and acting in good faith? And finally, WP:Consensus makes it very clear that consensus is not a matter of a voting. It takes into account the legitimate concerns of all editors with respect to Wikipeida's guidelines. So if the deletionists don't have any legitimate concerns based on Wikipedia's policies and guidelines, then they do not represent the consensus. Snoopydaniels (talk) 17:27, 28 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Do you believe that more than a dozen editors are in league against you? If not, then they might be right and you, although you don't understand why, are wrong. I guarantee there is no conspiracy against you or the article's subject. Chris Troutman  ( talk ) 17:32, 28 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Who said anything about a conspiracy? Claiming that a group of people are wrong for various reasons is not the same as claiming that there is a conspiracy. Stop making irrelevant democratic arguments and actually study the facts of the case. Can you point to anywhere in the recent DRV where the sources I provided were address? Can you point to anywhere the deletionists cited specific language from Wikipedia's policies and guidelines? And on top of all of this, I am far from the only editor who disagrees with the deletion. User:DDG is an extremely experienced editor, and he agrees with my assessment. User:Hobit joined him in supporting the DRV.Snoopydaniels (talk) 19:50, 28 April 2018 (UTC)


 * Thanks for bringing this here, User:Robert McClenon. I have added Snoopydaniels' edit count to the links at the top and have reviewed their contribs.
 * User:Snoopydaniels this is a notice board where concerns about conflicts of interest are addressed. The issue has been raised, because your behavior is very clear advocacy for Günter Bechly.  People can behave as advocates for many reasons.  One of them is a connection to the subject in the real world, and here in WP this creates a COI.   I don't see that anyone has asked you the most important question with respect to this forum yet, so I will do so.  Would you please disclose if you have some connection with Günter Bechly in the real world? Please note that getting paid, which you did address, is only one kind of connection.  There will be other things to discuss, but that is the first order of business at this board.  Would you please respond?  Thanks. Jytdog (talk) 16:17, 28 April 2018 (UTC)
 * No, I have no connection to Gunter Bechly in the real world. And the only thing I'm advocating for is that an article that should not have been deleted, on the basis of Wikipedia's policies and guidelines, be undeleted or rewritten. We're supposed to advocate for improvements to Wikipedia and its content. That's the whole purpose of being an editor. Snoopydaniels (talk) 16:30, 28 April 2018 (UTC)
 * You're advocating that the article be "rewritten" but no one is stopping you from doing just that. In fact RoySmith, who closed the deletion review, suggested it near the start of this thread. So go ahead. Given the history you probably should write the article in draft space rather than main space.
 * I don't know much about this specific case. But I do know that accusing everyone except yourself of acting in bad faith is not the way to get what you want. Shock Brigade Harvester Boris (talk) 18:03, 28 April 2018 (UTC)
 * I have already agreed that rewriting the article is a perfectly reasonable compromise. "What I want" is for editors and admins to adhere to the policies and guidelines. The only way that's going to happen is if other editors hold them accountable. But if everyone just assumes I'm wrong instead of actually taking the time to study the dispute, that will never happen.Snoopydaniels (talk) 20:07, 28 April 2018 (UTC)
 * User:Snoopydaniels thanks for replying. I am willing to accept that you have no connection with him. As I noted in my first comment, questions about COI have been raised because your editing reflects what we call "advocacy".  And your behavior, from your first edit here to your last one, reflects very clear advocacy - where you are carrying issues that are important to you in the real world into WP and editing based on them instead of high quality reliable sources, the policies and guidelines, and of course, consensus, which is the foundation of everything we do here.
 * A lot of people who are passionate about something, start editing initially because of that passion. It is a double edged sword -- it can drive people to contribute, which is great, but it can also drive them to ignore the policies and guidelines here, and the editing community here, neither of which is OK, and each of which leads to lots of drama.  That is what you are experiencing now.
 * I wrote a little thing to help people who are in a hurry try to understand this place. Please have a read of User:Jytdog/How, if you like.
 * More to your case, please read the following:
 * WP:SOAP, which is policy
 * WP:YESPOV which is policy
 * WP:ADVOCACY, a very helpful essay
 * WP:TENDENTIOUS, which has a checklist of behaviors that advocacy editors tend to enact
 * WP:Beware of tigers, another very helpful essay
 * Really, please read those. I hope you can take that in, and change your approach to WP.  The path you are on now, is going to lead you over the cliff of an indefinite block or community ban.  Everybody chooses their own path here.
 * In my view, there is nothing more to be done on this noticeboard. The next board I reckon this will go to, if needed (if), will be WP:AN with a request for a indef or ban per WP:NOTHERE. Jytdog (talk) 19:15, 28 April 2018 (UTC)
 * I appreciate how problematic advocacy can be in the Wikipedia sphere, but I'm not sure how you came to the conclusion that what I'm doing is advocacy. WP:Advocacy says that advocacy is promoting personal beliefs at the expense of Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. Since I began participating in this dispute, I have been the only editor who has consistently quoted relevant language from the policies and guidelines to justify my position. And none of the editors who disagreed with me bothered to consider the sources I provided. Have you even read the DRV I created?
 * I spent a great deal of time refreshing myself on the policies and guidelines. I was careful to follow the dispute resolution procedure and began a discussion to undelete the article rather than simply recreating it without any attempt to resolve the dispute. So what exactly have I done, on this supposedly consistent basis, that has violated policies and guidelines?
 * I appreciate the links and I'll read them very carefully.Snoopydaniels (talk) 20:07, 28 April 2018 (UTC)
 * All we can ask is that you listen to what everyone has been saying to you (and everyone is saying the same thing), and try to change your approach. The documents at those links can provide some help, but you need to do the reflecting and changing.  It is all up to you at this point.  I am closing this, as there is no more to do here, at this particular board. Jytdog (talk) 20:23, 28 April 2018 (UTC)

Rashid Al Habtoor
User was warned in January. Has been adding promotonal content again, eg "leading well-recognised and esteemed businessman". Edwardx (talk) 11:22, 29 April 2018 (UTC)
 * The editor is apparently Rashid Al Habtoor's "media and marketing team", not the person himself. Even if paid editing is disclosed, the account could be blocked for impersonation and being shared by others. ~Anachronist (talk) 15:10, 29 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Blocked, and the article has been extended-confirmed protected. ~Anachronist (talk) 15:23, 29 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Thank you. Edwardx (talk) 18:38, 29 April 2018 (UTC)

Sterlite Copper
This company has apparently been in the news in India as the subject of public protests due to alleged pollution. The article has been replaced by a blatant promotional version with the controversy removed. I really don't know if there is a good version in the history to revert to. Anyone want to take a look? Peacock (talk) 13:17, 18 April 2018 (UTC) — Berean Hunter   (talk)  16:28, 18 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Lgting is ✅ to . Same exact IP but different machines so they may be meatpuppets. The latter has a machine profile which resembles who also shared IPs with Lgting albeit with a gap of time between edits making that a  connection.
 * Taking a look at the content-aspect. ~ Winged Blades Godric  06:51, 19 April 2018 (UTC)
 * -✅. ~ Winged Blades Godric 07:25, 19 April 2018 (UTC)

Sander van der Linden
These accounts and IPs have almost exclusively added content in relation to Sander van der Linden over the last 5 years or so, including creating what is fairly obviously an autobiography. Some is clear WP:REFSPAM e.g. or promoting their own work:. Today's addition to Cambridge Analytica seems to me an inappropriate case of WP:SELFCITE. There's a fair bit of cleaning up to do, and I would request that the users refrain from adding more citations to Linden's work. SmartSE (talk) 12:30, 12 April 2018 (UTC)
 * I agree. The COI is as plain as day. This user(s) appears to be using Wikipedia solely as a vehicle to promote Van der Linden's work. --Dr. Fleischman (talk) 18:05, 12 April 2018 (UTC)

This is ridiculous, I have taken the time to carefully write detailed biographies of several notable scientists (rather than stubs) in a similar domain because I am familiar with the field of study - I don't write about things on which I do not have expertise and I do not contribute regularly, but all of these articles are purely factual with dozens of appropriate primary and secondary references meeting Wikipedia's criteria.Science_contributor101

Moreover, Today's addition was entirely appropriate because the article provides relevant expert opinion on the state of the evidence and directly references and provides context for the quote from Brendan Nyhan which is mentioned in the preceding sentence of that paragraph. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Science contributor101 (talk • contribs)


 * The "Maasuni" account uploaded all of the Van der Linden-related images. I believe all are marked as "own work." --Dr. Fleischman (talk) 19:00, 12 April 2018 (UTC)


 * DrFleischman asked me to explain the links to 131.111 and Sciencemajor1. 131.111 is a University of Cambridge IP range (where van der Linden is based). See the crossover with Maasuni here. According to Linden's biography, he worked under Anthony Leiserowitz at the Yale Program on Climate Change Communication which Sciencemajor1 made most of their edits to, then there's this crossover with Maasuni, and the similarity of username to the other accounts. Another article is about Costas Panagopoulos, one of van der Linden's coauthors, likewise with Edward Maibach. SmartSE (talk) 19:43, 12 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Sigh... now they seem to have moved onto . Sockpuppet_investigations/Maasuni. SmartSE (talk) 23:24, 12 April 2018 (UTC)
 * User:Jytdog has taken care of the bio. I've deleted a load of WP:REFSPAM from articles and added some more IPs. I think I've found most of it now. SmartSE (talk) 12:39, 17 April 2018 (UTC)


 * socks have been blocked via SPI. They also worked on the following, of which I have cleaned up the first three:

-- Jytdog (talk) 14:46, 20 April 2018 (UTC)

CEPR suite


The CU is stale, so more eyes on the ten-year-long COI issues at this suite of articles are welcome. Sandy Georgia (Talk)  15:03, 21 April 2018 (UTC)

People's Alliance of New Brunswick


This user has been reverting edits repeatedly on this political party's page, even though he/she has been warned multiple times and even got temporarily blocked because of problematic edits on this article. This user is tagged as a COI on the party's talk page, yet he/she has yet to disclose the COI on his/her own user page, and continues to edit the article directly instead of engaging in the discussion on the talk page, as recommended by Wikipedia's guidelines. This user has now started editing another provincial party's article directly, and the information that was added just so happens to be related to the PANB's own policies on bilingualism. This edit-warring has been going on for a couple of years now, and all attempts to talk it out have been outright ignored at best, and the user has reacted in an accusatory way at worst with the baseless claim that I am personally affiliated with "a rival party". A slithy tove (talk) 18:05, 21 April 2018 (UTC)

KCKS
Shortbri has claimed ownership of the station KCKS-LD according to these diffs. They created the page and edit it occasionally. While they've been inactive for a few months now, a conflict of interest may be at work if they truly are the owner of the station whose page they created. Nanophosis (talk) 04:25, 23 April 2018 (UTC)

Andersen Corporation


I'm not sure how to go about this, this user appears to be a single purpose account, having made a few dozen edits, all of them to this single article. Notice that the username is KAW1903, which seems to stand for K- (?) AW- Andersen Windows 1903- the year it was founded. I apologize if this is not the right place/way to go about this. Thank you Ben Stone 21:12, 23 April 2018 (UTC)

Zhang Xin (businesswoman)
Cited content removed, and promotional/COI editing started yesterday by Panpan1103 has been reverted. Then we get a tag team of five new SPAs overnight. Hard to imagine that these five accounts are not all socks. Lots of citations, but the tone is too promotional, eg "Xin(Shynn)'s rags-to-riches story has embodied the rise of China's entrepreneurship, making her a celebrity CEO at home and a sought after voice on China abroad." Edwardx (talk) 09:56, 24 April 2018 (UTC)


 * The articles were suddenly flooded with SPA account with promotional wording. Those articles was flooded with obvious COI SPA in the past that the username was a combination of SOHO + random word (see Talk:Zhang Xin (businesswoman), Talk:Pan Shiyi Talk:SOHO China), but it is now out of control and may be SPI is not effective (it seem they were from a team of editors not a single sock master) Matthew_hk   t  c  10:01, 24 April 2018 (UTC)


 * Combine my reporting with Edwardx. Matthew_hk   t  c  10:03, 24 April 2018 (UTC)

Wall Street International and Ruben Vergara

 * - Proded. No coverage.
 * commons:File:Ruben Vergara Meersohn.jpg
 * Ruben Vergara Meersohn
 * Q50195139
 * Q50195139

Four fresh accounts, all working together on (and only on) Wall Street International-related articles. It's a little suspicious. Brightgalrs (/braɪtˈɡæl.ərˌɛs/)[ᴛ] 13:45, 24 April 2018 (UTC)

Junius Ho


In 2011 the above user Eterror created the article Junius Ho, about a Hong Kong politician. Over the years he/she has periodically updated it with highly promotional and unencyclopedic content (example edit from 2015). The user has been warned several times on their talk page about the COI policy but has never formally declared a COI. Yet they have uploaded a couple official promotional photos of the subject, the licencing terms of which directly imply a COI. Citobun (talk) 10:13, 24 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Added a second account, JuniusHo. Citobun (talk) 03:48, 25 April 2018 (UTC)

Bhargav Gajjar ‎- more academic promotional editing

 * main articles


 * other articles affected
 * -- (cleaned)
 * -- (cleaned)
 * - (cleaned)


 * Users
 * active, 2014-09 til today -- COI/SOCK inquiry made made here today.
 * active, 2014-09 til today - unresponsive to COI inquiry made here in Aug 2017
 * 2014-09 to 2014-10
 * 2014-11 only
 * 2014-11 only
 * 2014-11 only
 * 2014-11 until 2015-03

-- Jytdog (talk) 18:52, 25 April 2018 (UTC)

Eva Golinger
continues to edit, removing sourced text (sample), after a COI notice. Sandy Georgia (Talk)  20:07, 25 April 2018 (UTC)
 * left her a note and watchlisted... Jytdog (talk) 01:20, 26 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Thanks, Sandy Georgia (Talk)  01:22, 26 April 2018 (UTC)

Aschetter24 and WebiMax

 * editor
 * affected pages
 * Cleaned. scope_creep (talk) 13:02, 26 April 2018 (UTC)
 * PROD / Bri
 * affected pages
 * Cleaned. scope_creep (talk) 13:02, 26 April 2018 (UTC)
 * PROD / Bri
 * PROD / Bri
 * PROD / Bri
 * PROD / Bri
 * PROD / Bri

Came across this person when they re-created the Marc Mani article after it had been prodded. I provided them with the paid editing notice, which prompted them to partially disclose; another nudge led to a bit more disclosure, but they worked on all the articles above and their work there is pretty obviously paid editing.

We need to review the articles; this person should be indeffed until they comply with the ToU and learn how we manage COI in WP. Jytdog (talk) 20:10, 13 April 2018 (UTC) (updated with another they have now disclosed Jytdog (talk) 20:39, 13 April 2018 (UTC))
 * I've indeffed them anyway for repeatedly creating inappropriate promotional articles, they've had plenty of warning to stop that and persisted anyway. The other articles should indeed be carefully checked. Seraphimblade Talk to me 17:00, 14 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Thanks Seraphimblade. I just noticed they also have another account they used once, . Jytdog (talk) 02:43, 15 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Blocked. SmartSE (talk) 10:01, 16 April 2018 (UTC)

Nicklaus Children's Hospital


The previous username was just the hospital's old name. No disclosure has been made, but this may be more cluelessness than subterfuge. The article is lousy with peacock words and unsourced or poorly sourced braggartry. Orange Mike &#124;  Talk  21:48, 27 April 2018 (UTC)

IOTA (cryptocurrency)


IOTA (cryptocurrency) has always been borderline - it just had the entire article text substituted with a 20 kilobyte primary sourced essay by an editor who's edited only this article, and the previous version before its deletion - and whose talk page is a string of warnings. Rather than edit-war, I'd like more eyes on the situation - David Gerard (talk) 16:37, 22 April 2018 (UTC)
 * I have filed at EWN, asked the person to disclose any connection they have with iota, and have reworked the article. More cryptopromocrufto. Jytdog (talk) 19:08, 22 April 2018 (UTC)

I have been meaning to flesh this out.
 * articles that have been created
 * Draft:IOTA (cryptocurrency) we have kept this open, as a place for iota people (or anybody else) to try to build an article to go through AfC.
 * Draft:IOTA (cryptocurrency) we have kept this open, as a place for iota people (or anybody else) to try to build an article to go through AfC.
 * Draft:IOTA (cryptocurrency) we have kept this open, as a place for iota people (or anybody else) to try to build an article to go through AfC.
 * Draft:IOTA (cryptocurrency) we have kept this open, as a place for iota people (or anybody else) to try to build an article to go through AfC.
 * Draft:IOTA (cryptocurrency) we have kept this open, as a place for iota people (or anybody else) to try to build an article to go through AfC.


 * editors
 * Note, this was some labor, as contribs to the articles are gone... if any admin who can see deleted contribs wants to add, please do.


 * -- (recreated page at Talk:IOTA (cryptocurrency) (!) in April 2018
 * -- (created Iota foundation
 * -- created IOTA (Distributed Ledger Technology) in July 2017
 * -- recreated IOTA (technology) in April 2018
 * - not sure which page they worked on but they have, happily, disclosed
 * - edit warred at Iota (technology)
 * - edit warred at Iota (technology), disclosed at their TP
 * - edit warred at Iota (technology)
 * - edit warred at Iota (technology), disclosed at their TP


 * off-WP canvassing
 * several on their reddit page


 * community discussions
 * July 2017 Administrators%27_noticeboard/3RRArchive345
 * Feb 2018 Articles for deletion/IOTA (technology)
 * April 2018 Administrators%27_noticeboard/IncidentArchive982

-- Jytdog (talk) 23:23, 28 April 2018 (UTC)

St. James's Place plc


The user declared his COI in this edit Special:Diff/838377047. He keep on censor the negative review on his employer, such as this edit (Special:Diff/838376298), some review did looks likes not a reliable source, but he insist to remove Which?, request topic ban for the COI user. Matthew_hk  t  c  22:05, 29 April 2018 (UTC)

Cryptocurrency


Three interesting news articles on three different subjects. I'm not sure that any specific action is needed, but we should be aware of them.
 * On cryptocurrency at WP:COI
 * on Mark Lindquist
 * on Adrian Piper

The cryptocurrency article points to WP:COI and might encourage non-Wikipedians to edit that page.

The Mark Lindquist article is about the Pierce County, WA Prosecutor and has been edited by ML's PR guy. That's an off-Wiki PR confession and the story is being reprinted throughout NW USA. An interesting sidelight is that the article was written about ML before he became head prosecutor and better known as a novelist. Another editor wrote that the reviews of the 4 novels were scathing. I checked this part, and the "scathing" seems to be correct, but somebody might check me on this.

The Adrian Piper article has lots of issues related to COI, but IMHO these have been reasonably resolved. It might be an interesting case study however. All 3 might be. Smallbones( smalltalk ) 15:03, 25 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Focus (German magazine) covered ENWP's COI policy change to include cryptocurrency: in German and Google Translated ☆ Bri (talk) 01:15, 26 April 2018 (UTC)


 * "Since the Internet Encyclopedia has been accepting Bitcoin donations since 2014, the (not entirely serious) question arises as to whether Wikipedia should then itself be able to edit the article on Bitcoin." That was pretty good! But since WP still doesn't pay me, I think I'm ok in this aspect. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 06:05, 26 April 2018 (UTC)
 * I'm donating these links to The Signpost for upcoming In the media column ☆ Bri (talk) 17:18, 1 May 2018 (UTC)

Kilimall


It seem the user was part of the PR team of the company, which spamming the internal wikilink of Kilimall to other article such as TCL Corporation. His content addition to Kilimall was also caught for copyvio. Matthew_hk  t  c  05:06, 2 May 2018 (UTC)
 * I just listedit at afd  DGG ( talk ) 06:56, 2 May 2018 (UTC)
 * He also moved LipaPay from draft to article as well as created Draft:Tagwood. Matthew_hk   t  c  10:48, 2 May 2018 (UTC)

AETEST / Emaar Properties

 * Prod
 * Prod scope_creep (talk) 10:52, 27 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Prod
 * Prod scope_creep (talk) 10:52, 27 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Prod scope_creep (talk) 10:52, 27 April 2018 (UTC)

This user has created and edited articles excluisvely about developments by. Maryamalhabroosh seems to be related as well. SmartSE (talk) 15:34, 20 April 2018 (UTC)


 * Haven't looked at this yet, but I'll just add that Emaar India has a history of apparent COI edits. It's been a while since I removed it from my watchlist (at that point it was Emaar MGF), but I recall a range of COI-type edits regarding the company as well as seeming agenda-based edits in the other direction regarding various legal matters the company has been wrapped up in. FWIW. &mdash; Rhododendrites  talk \\ 19:11, 21 April 2018 (UTC)


 * hello - in response to the conflict of interest, I am not affiliated with Emaar India in any way, I am new to Dubai and have since started looking at new developments here. None of the pages detail any legal proceedings and only mention information that is currently in the public domain. AETEST (talk) 12:26, 2 May 2018 (UTC)

Assorted Upwork jobs

 * - academic, may pass PROF.
 * AFD
 * AFD
 * AFD

These article creations seem to coincide with Upwork postings (hidden by now) mentioning or otherwise linked to the subjects. Ollia Tzarina and Josh Mangila were mentioned in a single ad and the articles are similar in style. Rentier (talk) 15:30, 14 April 2018 (UTC)
 * AFD
 * Added userlinks for those articles and others that are linked to them. Sundartripathi was already implicated as a UPE and denied it so I will block them. SmartSE (talk) 09:50, 16 April 2018 (UTC)
 * I've AFDd a few. any chance you could take at Carlos Fraenkel? I've been wrong about PROF enough times... SmartSE (talk) 20:23, 17 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Named professorship at major university, so he meets WP:PROF; I removed minor material which we do not usually include, such as individual essays and junior prizes.  It should not have been necessary for him to pay for an article. We need to get the Foundation to star publicizing this, so people won't waste their money. They've been asked numerous times, and there's never been a response. It is far easier to write terms of use, than to try to get people to know about them.  DGG ( talk ) 21:55, 17 April 2018 (UTC)
 * I just came across one of these - the person behind User:Mamadoutadioukone was hired to do the Anchanto draft, and I'm going through what I have to see if there's any other recent work. Looks like I've got at least two more socks so far, which I'll handle later today. - Bilby (talk) 01:28, 1 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Added userlinks for those articles and others that are linked to them. Sundartripathi was already implicated as a UPE and denied it so I will block them. SmartSE (talk) 09:50, 16 April 2018 (UTC)
 * I've AFDd a few. any chance you could take at Carlos Fraenkel? I've been wrong about PROF enough times... SmartSE (talk) 20:23, 17 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Named professorship at major university, so he meets WP:PROF; I removed minor material which we do not usually include, such as individual essays and junior prizes.  It should not have been necessary for him to pay for an article. We need to get the Foundation to star publicizing this, so people won't waste their money. They've been asked numerous times, and there's never been a response. It is far easier to write terms of use, than to try to get people to know about them.  DGG ( talk ) 21:55, 17 April 2018 (UTC)
 * I just came across one of these - the person behind User:Mamadoutadioukone was hired to do the Anchanto draft, and I'm going through what I have to see if there's any other recent work. Looks like I've got at least two more socks so far, which I'll handle later today. - Bilby (talk) 01:28, 1 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Added userlinks for those articles and others that are linked to them. Sundartripathi was already implicated as a UPE and denied it so I will block them. SmartSE (talk) 09:50, 16 April 2018 (UTC)
 * I've AFDd a few. any chance you could take at Carlos Fraenkel? I've been wrong about PROF enough times... SmartSE (talk) 20:23, 17 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Named professorship at major university, so he meets WP:PROF; I removed minor material which we do not usually include, such as individual essays and junior prizes.  It should not have been necessary for him to pay for an article. We need to get the Foundation to star publicizing this, so people won't waste their money. They've been asked numerous times, and there's never been a response. It is far easier to write terms of use, than to try to get people to know about them.  DGG ( talk ) 21:55, 17 April 2018 (UTC)
 * I just came across one of these - the person behind User:Mamadoutadioukone was hired to do the Anchanto draft, and I'm going through what I have to see if there's any other recent work. Looks like I've got at least two more socks so far, which I'll handle later today. - Bilby (talk) 01:28, 1 May 2018 (UTC)


 * This too? ☆ Bri (talk) 01:05, 4 May 2018 (UTC)
 * This too? ☆ Bri (talk) 01:05, 4 May 2018 (UTC)

Engineering Software Lab


Created by an inactive SPA and a handful of Israel IPs mostly, and is a case study in WP:Identifying PR. Needs cleanup badly. ☆ Bri (talk) 17:30, 22 April 2018 (UTC)


 * Gave it a start but the soul-crushing tedium of the article caught up to me. Needs more trimmage if anyone wants to stop by. Shock Brigade Harvester Boris (talk) 20:25, 22 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Looked over the sources. Looks like a candidate for AfD for failing WP:NCORP. Vexations (talk) 21:00, 22 April 2018 (UTC)
 * SBHB thanks for enduring the "soul-crushing tedium" (I like that). I've nominated it at WP:Articles for deletion/Engineering Software Lab ☆ Bri (talk) 14:07, 23 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Thanks for taking care of the paperwork. A quick chat with Mr. Google shows there's essentially no substantive third-party coverage. Shock Brigade Harvester Boris (talk) 03:44, 25 April 2018 (UTC)

Draft:Scarlet Grace


In the page history (I can't get the diff) the account mentions that the person who they created the page around is their "Client"💵Money💵emoji💵Talk 12:20, 24 April 2018 (UTC)


 * I left them a uw-paid1 warning and a response to their post at Teahouse. --Drm310 🍁 (talk) 16:47, 24 April 2018 (UTC)
 * "She is our client" is in this edit summary. Bri.public (talk) 19:35, 1 May 2018 (UTC)
 * They haven't  editid since the warning. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 02:54, 4 May 2018 (UTC)

Masc (band)


Left a COI message at the beginning of April, but doesnt seem to want to confirm. StanMASC left me a coupla ugly talk page messages, this afternoon, which have now been removed. scope_creep (talk) 14:33, 4 May 2018 (UTC)

User:Palantiredit

 * sponsored thing
 * editors
 * editors
 * editors

This user's main purpose appears to be adding links to "reports" by Fundera to high-profile articles, such as South Dakota and Education; they've also edited the Fundera article heavily. No COI is declared but I assume one exists. power~enwiki ( π, ν ) 18:54, 4 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Added another user who added a lot of Fundera refs in 2016. power~enwiki ( π, ν ) 18:59, 4 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Added another article & editor whose editing on Fundera looks similar. Probably the whole topic Peer-to-peer lending needs more eyes on ☆ Bri (talk) 19:25, 4 May 2018 (UTC)