Wikipedia:Copyright problems/2010 December 9

9 December 2010
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Copyright investigations (manual article tagging)

 * Communities That Care ([ history] · [ last edit]) from . I'm not certain whether this articles is a problem or not. Because it is a program of the United States Government the wording may be from something in the public domain? I have not tagged the article itself. ✤ JonHarder talk 21:01, 27 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Well, I'm looking at this one, and complicated the matter here is that the pdf is dated to 2009, while the content was added here in 2008. I've found similar content on several other websites; one official site in Colorado acknowledges us as the source. Others clearly postdate us. The governmental page, meanwhile, is not loading. I am inclined to think that, since we evidently postdate the pdf, we should presume this one is okay, but perhaps note the complication at the article's talk page. Before closing, though, I'd like to get other feedback. --Moonriddengirl (talk) 18:51, 7 December 2010 (UTC)
 * My only concern would be that the article could copy from an older document replaced by the 2009 document. That the PDF is formatted better than the wikipedia article - insofar as the relevant words are concerned - would suggest to me that the article is a copy of the PDF or an earlier version of it. An earlier but different looking article article created by a different account (but apparently the same person) was G12'd. The current version was worked on in userspace before being moved to the mainspace. It was worked on extensively in userspace, but what stands out is the original large dump of text. --Mkativerata (talk) 20:37, 7 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Hmm. Those are good causes of concern. :/ In cases like this, I usually follow the "If in doubt, write the content yourself, thereby creating a new copyrighted work which can be included in Wikipedia without trouble" provision (I've rewritten a good many articles), but generally the articles have been blanked before I've done so. I feel like rewriting for copyright concerns is an admin action, and I prefer to let "regular" editing deal with it before I do that. Since the contributor isn't around much, do you think the content should be blanked to let them have a shot at it, or do you think I should go ahead, given reasonable doubt? Your opinion would be much appreciated. :) --Moonriddengirl (talk) 13:14, 8 December 2010 (UTC)
 * I think blanking it for a week and relisting it here would be the better, and potentially MRG-time-saving approach. It averages 20 page-views a day so chances are the writer or someone interested might notice.--Mkativerata (talk) 19:36, 8 December 2010 (UTC)
 * From my talk page:


 * [[Image:Pictogram voting support.svg|20px]] No copyright concern. Material PD or appropriately licensed for use. It is difficult to follow the intricate net of connections for CTC. Relevant material appears to be hosted on an university website, stuff is cross-linked but the trails are somewhat flimsy. Clearing this for now but I would urge the editor of the material to ensure with CTC's webmaster that the appropriate notices and US government affiliation be clearly indicated in all relevant places to avoid any future issues of the same nature. --MLauba (Talk) 17:51, 16 December 2010 (UTC)


 * Aftermath of World War II ([ history] · [ last edit]) from http://books.google.com/books?ei=Xe4ATdmgFoG78gbKlOjkBw&ct=result&id=veATAQAAIAAJ&dq=Stan+Winer&q=offer+the+best+means+for+destabilising+the+Soviet+Union. In reviewing some comments by Communicat on Reliable sources/Noticeboard, I found that his comments were drawn directly from Winer's book, Between the Lies. So, I decided to check some of the text he'd added to articles and it looks like a copyright violation in this one and, I worry, perhaps several more. --Habap (talk) 15:09, 9 December 2010 (UTC)
 * I endorse Habap's comments, but it should be noted that this is related to an ongoing ArbCom case (see Arbitration/Requests/Case/World War II/Evidence and Arbitration/Requests/Case/World War II/Workshop Nick-D (talk) 07:10, 10 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Communicat has the express permission of copyright holder to use material from the book in wikipedia articles. The filing party has failed/neglected to contact the copyright holder for confirmation or clarification in this regard, despite having earlier been advised by me to do so. The filing party knows the contact details of the copyright holder. Communicat (talk) 14:56, 10 December 2010 (UTC)
 * I was never advised to contact the copyright holder before I noticed the extensive copying of Winer's work by Communicat. If you insist on claiming that I was advised to do so, please provide a link, otherwise, I request that you withdraw your allegation. --Habap (talk) 16:05, 10 December 2010 (UTC)
 * I'd also like to point out that it's not the job of other editors to confirm whether you do or don't have permission to copy material, it's your (Communicat's) responsibility to provide verifiable evidence that you do. That's why we have Donating copyrighted materials. VernoWhitney (talk) 16:15, 10 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Edward321 and I have identified and removed all sentences that were plagiarized from Winer from the article. Unfortunately, the article now lacks for information in a great number of areas and may be unbalanced. --Habap (talk) 17:05, 11 December 2010 (UTC)


 * Pictogram voting keep.svg Article cleaned by investigator or others. No remaining infringement. CCI opened to address other articles. --Moonriddengirl (talk) 14:48, 17 December 2010 (UTC)


 * Charles Bergstresser ([ history] · [ last edit]) from http://select.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=F6081EF63D5D15738DDDAB0A94D1405B838EF1D3 I don't have access to the NYT archives to check. shoy (reactions) 17:31, 9 December 2010 (UTC)


 * Pictogram voting keep.svg Article cleaned by investigator or others. No remaining infringement. I can't see the source, either, but I've rewritten just in case. Just as well, since it was unsourced. Now it's not. And I've corrected the man's date of death. I don't think if his death was reported on 9/22/1923 that he died on 9/23/1923. :) --Moonriddengirl (talk) 22:52, 17 December 2010 (UTC)


 * Wanna-Ben ([ history] · [ last edit]) Intro seems ok, but episode descriptions are from from http://www.tv3.co.nz/Shows/Comedy/WannaBen/EpisodeRecaps/tabid/1332/Default.aspx. dramatic (talk) 18:22, 9 December 2010 (UTC)


 * Pictogram voting keep.svg Article cleaned by investigator or others. No remaining infringement. --MLauba (Talk) 11:38, 17 December 2010 (UTC)


 * Ben Uri Gallery ([ history] · [ last edit]) from http://www.benuri.org.uk/History.htm. Straight copy of text from the museum's own website, apparently done by an official account for the museum itself, a complete unwikified replacement of our previous article. Jheald (talk) 20:24, 9 December 2010 (UTC)


 * Pictogram voting keep.svg Article cleaned by investigator or others. No remaining infringement. --Moonriddengirl (talk) 00:06, 18 December 2010 (UTC)


 * ICES - International Cultural Exchange Services ([ history] · [ last edit]) from http://www.icesusa.org/exchange-program/about-us. OTRS pending. VernoWhitney (talk) 23:14, 9 December 2010 (UTC)


 * Pictogram voting keep.svg OTRS Ticket received, article now licensed and compatible with CC-BY-SA. VernoWhitney (talk) 04:48, 10 December 2010 (UTC)


 * Philip Rieff ([ history] · [ last edit]) from http://www.ufppc.org/book-notes-mainmenu-36/3608-books-philip-rieff-advocate-of-inactivism-returns-to-print-but-whats-the-point.html. Nomination completed by VWBot (talk) 00:22, 10 December 2010 (UTC)


 * Pictogram voting keep.svg Article cleaned by investigator or others. No remaining infringement. --Moonriddengirl (talk) 00:14, 18 December 2010 (UTC)


 * Chuck Wolfe ([ history] · [ last edit]) from http://offbroadway.broadwayworld.com/printcolumn.php?id=124864. Nomination completed by VWBot (talk) 00:22, 10 December 2010 (UTC)


 * [[Image:Out of date clock icon.svg|20px]] User was not notified, relisting under today's entry. --Moonriddengirl (talk) 00:19, 18 December 2010 (UTC)


 * Sugar pie ([ history] · [ last edit]) Copied and pasted. VWBot (talk) 00:22, 10 December 2010 (UTC)


 * Pictogram voting question.svg No source found; copy-paste tag removed and cv-unsure tag placed at article talk. --Moonriddengirl (talk) 02:17, 18 December 2010 (UTC)


 * Bob Wieckowski ([ history] · [ last edit]) Copied and pasted. VWBot (talk) 00:22, 10 December 2010 (UTC)


 * Pictogram voting keep.svg Article cleaned by investigator or others. No remaining infringement. --Moonriddengirl (talk) 02:19, 18 December 2010 (UTC)


 * Vangiya Sahitya Parishad ([ history] · [ last edit]) Close paraphrase of http://www.banglapedia.org/httpdocs/HT/V_0016.HTM. VWBot (talk) 00:22, 10 December 2010 (UTC)


 * Pictogram voting keep.svg Article cleaned by investigator or others. No remaining infringement. --Moonriddengirl (talk) 02:37, 18 December 2010 (UTC)


 * Heidolph ([ history] · [ last edit]) Close paraphrase. VWBot (talk) 00:22, 10 December 2010 (UTC)
 * I've removed some egregious from this, but there's a lot more borderline. Needs more careful review than I can give it now. I suspect permission is plausible, since the images have clearance. --Moonriddengirl (talk) 02:58, 18 December 2010 (UTC)


 * [[Image:Pictogram voting wait red.svg|20px]] Permission plausible Article relisted under today. --Moonriddengirl (talk) 15:01, 18 December 2010 (UTC)


 * Talk:1953 Iranian coup d'état/Communism sources ([ history] · [ last edit]) Quote farm from variety of copyrighted sources. VernoWhitney (talk) 18:06, 9 December 2010 (UTC)
 * I'm not so sure most of these really violate WP:NFCC - I believe in this case we're in the realm of "brief textual excerpts". We're also not in article space, so I'm less fussed about having a page made entirely of quotes from other works, in particular since they are all attributed. However, all three seem to be long time storage for PoV or preferred version reasons. I'm inclined to send them all to MfD actually, but would like other opinions here. MLauba (Talk) 11:09, 17 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Some of these quotes are long enough that I would clean them up in article space on the basis of WP:NFC. Moreover, while they may be collected for the purposes of scholarship, their use in general is not transformative. I'm afraid that their "fair use" defense is even thinner than quotes in article space. :/ While we do allow quotes (as opposed to other non-free content) outside of article space, I don't think we can allow quotes to be used in a way that we would not permit in an article. I think they need to be deleted. But since there is some dissent here and since this involves several pages, I'll seek a fourth opinion. (Have asked User:Dcoetzee to weigh in.) --Moonriddengirl (talk) 23:46, 17 December 2010 (UTC)
 * For some of my previous comments leading up to the blanking you can read User talk:BoogaLouie if you wish. VernoWhitney (talk) 02:39, 18 December 2010 (UTC)
 * This is really tough. Looking closely at it, it appears to contain a limited amount of information from any one source, at most a few paragraphs. A few extensively quoted books have had many excerpts paraphrased. Moreover, if the excerpts are indeed being used in an ongoing discussion involving editorial decisions, I would find it very difficult to delete the content; as a practical matter, it would be difficult to engage in discussions regarding sources without access to those sources. On the other hand, WP:NFC does not presently contain any special exception for non-free content being used in an ongoing editorial discussion. As an alternative, we might choose to delete the content and ask the editors to exchange source content along private channels such as the e-mail feature only. Dcoetzee 10:25, 19 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Regarding your last point: the page content has already been duplicated on publicly viewable Google Docs (see the conversation at BoogaLouie's talk). VernoWhitney (talk) 13:31, 19 December 2010 (UTC)
 * It may be a fait accompli at this point, as User:SchuminWeb G12ed them. Obviously, they didn't meet WP:CSD, but as I was of the opinion that they were unretainable, I'm not myself inclined to argue. --Moonriddengirl (talk) 13:15, 20 December 2010 (UTC)


 * Talk:1953 Iranian coup d'état/Mosaddeq domestic issues ([ history] · [ last edit]) Quote farm from variety of copyrighted sources. VernoWhitney (talk) 18:06, 9 December 2010 (UTC)
 * See above. MLauba (Talk) 11:09, 17 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Ditto. :) --Moonriddengirl (talk) 00:00, 18 December 2010 (UTC)


 * Talk:1953 Iranian coup d'état/Mosaddeq's behavior sources ([ history] · [ last edit]) Quote farm from variety of copyrighted sources. VernoWhitney (talk) 18:06, 9 December 2010 (UTC)
 * See above. MLauba (Talk) 11:09, 17 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Ditto. :) --Moonriddengirl (talk) 00:00, 18 December 2010 (UTC)