Wikipedia:Copyright problems/2020 January 13

13 January 2020
Is the use of File:El grafico 3902 romario.jpg in 1994 FIFA World Cup Final a copyright violation on the English project? The file is flagged as a copyright vio in commons within the US, it has expired in Argentina. I have tried to keep it out but has edit warred to keep it in, and he has threatened to report me (where? I don't know because a WP:BOOMERANG would apply. See https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=1994_FIFA_World_Cup_Final&oldid=prev&diff=935508850 Walter Görlitz (talk) 03:32, 13 January 2020 (UTC)
 * reverted my edit twice 1, 2 on 1994 FIFA World Cup Final.
 * His reasons were (as he statedd) "bad spelling and copyright violation in the US", which I consider not only harsh (a bad spelling can be improved) but falacious so the URAA issue was already discussed on Commons and closed in 2014 as "URAA cannot be used as the sole reason for deletion" . Moreover, I don't know any rule that forbid the use of non-PD-US images on this project. In fact, other articles such as Argentina v England (1986 FIFA World Cup) or 1986 FIFA World Cup Final have files with the same licenses.
 * I contacted him to request a valid reason for his reversions, but he also reverted the discussion showing a non-collaborative behaviour and any will to reach a consensus at all. - Fma12 (talk) 10:28, 13 January 2020 (UTC)
 * You've once again completely missed the point. Is the file under copyright in the US? If so, can it be used on the English project?
 * Since you've found that I moved the discussion to Talk:1994 FIFA World Cup Final are you still going to lie and say that I am showing a non-collaborative behaviour and any will to reach a consensus at all? Walter Görlitz (talk) 11:51, 13 January 2020 (UTC)
 * You talking to me of "lies"? Another time, you being harsh. Where is the "non-written" rule that states a non-PD-US file can't be used in the English Wikipedia? What consensus tried you to reach when your only attitude has been reverting my edits and blanking your talk page? Is this polite? I don't think so. – Fma12 (talk) 12:16, 13 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Let's focus on the questions we need to discuss here: Is the file under copyright in the US? If so, can it be used on the English project? Walter Görlitz (talk) 12:50, 13 January 2020 (UTC)
 * I wonder the same, and I'll await for a proper answer so this issue can be solved. Fma12 (talk) 15:13, 13 January 2020 (UTC)
 * So basically what you're saying is that you do not know if it is under copyright in the US? The fact that the image is tagged in Commons as still being under copyright should answer that question, but I do want you to acknowledge that copyright laws vary from location to location. So again, is the image still under copyright in the US? Walter Görlitz (talk) 15:21, 13 January 2020 (UTC)
 * The only thing I need to know whether the image (or any URAA-tagged files) can be used in this project or not. In fact, many URAA images are used in other projects (such as the Spanish wiki, where rationale use is not allowed, which is apparently a contradiction). - Fma12 (talk) 15:32, 13 January 2020 (UTC)
 * No. Copyrighted images may not be used on English Wikipedia. That's been what I've been saying from the outset. That's what the polcies clearly state as well. Walter Görlitz (talk) 15:37, 13 January 2020 (UTC)
 * In my opinion, Not-PD-US-URAA explains the issue clearly enough. The image can't be used in the English Wikipedia unless a non-free use rationale is provided. It is my guess that there isn't a strong enough case for non-free use, so the image should be excluded from the article. EdJohnston (talk) 18:28, 13 January 2020 (UTC)

Any chance you'd like to remove it as a copy vio. With the threat of a visit to 3RN, I'd rather not do it, even thought it's clear that it should be done. Walter Görlitz (talk) 18:58, 13 January 2020 (UTC)
 * I don't usually enforce copyright, so I hope we can get a response first from User:Fma12 before I consider further steps. EdJohnston (talk) 19:11, 13 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Having cleared the point, I've just removed the Romario photo from the article although it could be used in other projects, as you stated. I don't consider to go further with this discussion, this is closed for me. Regards. Fma12 (talk) 20:36, 13 January 2020 (UTC)


 * Confidence-building measures ([ history] · [ last edit] · rewrite) from https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=%22Stationing%20permanent%20liaison%20observers%20at%20major%20headquarters.%22. See the analysis at Talk:Confidence-building measures where I have traced the source of the probably-non-free text to an article that was created as a separate article (with this content plus a list of four non-online references), and into Confidence-building measures. Boud (talk) 23:32, 13 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Pictogram voting keep.svg Article cleaned by investigator or others. No remaining infringement. Ajpolino (talk) 09:07, 19 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Curiously, Google Books claims it can find some elements of those lists in earlier-published books as well. That said, GBooks won't share enough of the page for me to track anything down, and I can't find any US Gov't source that definitely uses the text. So out of an abundance of caution I've removed the text. A revdel would require clearing a whole lot of diffs, so I didn't bother. But if anyone would like to, you'd have to hide from to the present. Ajpolino (talk) 09:07, 19 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Curiously, Google Books claims it can find some elements of those lists in earlier-published books as well. That said, GBooks won't share enough of the page for me to track anything down, and I can't find any US Gov't source that definitely uses the text. So out of an abundance of caution I've removed the text. A revdel would require clearing a whole lot of diffs, so I didn't bother. But if anyone would like to, you'd have to hide from to the present. Ajpolino (talk) 09:07, 19 November 2020 (UTC)