Wikipedia:Copyright problems/2021 August 18

18 August 2021

 * James Lee (tenor) ([ history] · [ last edit] · rewrite) from http://tenorjameslee.com/biography/ (translated). Also likely WP:UPE, so will delete. Relist from Copyright problems/2021 August 10. MER-C 07:23, 18 August 2021 (UTC)
 * How is an enumeration of a singer's performances a copyright violation? In how many different ways can "studied at ..., won ... sang ..." be written? The latest toolforge reports I saw showed a trivial number of congruencies. On which reports is this copyright concern based? -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 12:07, 18 August 2021 (UTC)
 * This version of the article is literally word-by-word translated from Mr. Lee's CV on the homepage of his current employer, the Dortmund Theater (besides the fact that the opera "Les vêpres siciliennes" is referred to by it's italian title as "I vespri siciliani") as was already mentioned in the first report by Doc Taxon. All subsequent edits seem only to intend to make that fact a little less obvious. The ongoing diskussion on Talk:James_Lee_(tenor) raises the suspicion that this is also a case of WP:UPE. -- M.ottenbruch (talk) 18:18, 18 August 2021 (UTC)
 * As I wrote already on Talk:James_Lee_(tenor): The reason why the tool concludes "Violation Unlikely" is most probably the fact that the german page had been moved to de:James Lee (Sänger) and then been deleted because of copyright violations. The now existing page de:James Lee is a WP:DAB. -- M.ottenbruch (talk) 18:23, 18 August 2021 (UTC)
 * "All subsequent edits seem only to intend to make that fact a little less obvious." – That's what paraphrasing means. // The history of the German Wikipedia article has nothing to do with the results from toolforge, "violation unlikely", which compared article. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 02:18, 19 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Then maybe I misunderstood something. I followed the link given in this edit to this report. And that compares the DAB I was speaking about. Would you please be as kind as giving me a link to the comparison you are talking about and telling me to what article it compares " article"? This version has an almost identical paragraph Biography as the version I am referring to as "literally word-by-word translated from Mr. Lee's CV on the homepage of his current employer, the Dortmund Theater" (the differences are almost only the refs, as you can see here). This is copyright violation at it's best. -- M.ottenbruch (talk) 04:27, 19 August 2021 (UTC)
 * toolforge report for article version from 14 August 2021. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 04:53, 19 August 2021 (UTC)
 * This compares the wp-article with the biography on Mr Lee's homepage. I am not talking about his homepage as you can read right below (04:43). -- M.ottenbruch (talk) 05:53, 19 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Please note: I am not talking about the biography on Mr Lee's homepage as linked in the first edit of this thread. I am talking about his employer's page. I don't know why here only Mr Lee's homepage is referenced. In Doc Taxon's first report both pages were correctly referenced. -- M.ottenbruch (talk) 04:43, 19 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Please provide a toolforge report. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 04:53, 19 August 2021 (UTC)
 * I suppose you do not understand the problem. This is a toolforge report which compares our article with Mr. Lee's CV on the homepage of his current employer, the Dortmund Theater, which is written in German language. As you can easily see the tool is not capable of recognizing a translation. So the tool is completely useless in order to answer the question we are discussing. I do not know whether you understand German at all. If you do, you can easily see the fact that the article's paragraph Biography is literally word-by-word translated from the CV in German language. If you don't, you may believe me or not.
 * I cannot see a way to compare a translation - maybe google translation - of the German CV to our article by the tool without violating the copyright myself by providing this translation. -- M.ottenbruch (talk) 05:53, 19 August 2021 (UTC)
 * BTW Just in case you ask yourself why Mr Lee's homepage is referenced in the initial report at all: In an older version of his homepage there was also a german-written part (see archive.org). This part was not only a translation of the english version. A few parts of the wp-article which are not word-by-word translated from his employers homepage are translated from there. For instance there the opera "Les vêpres siciliennes" is referred to by it's italian title as "I vespri siciliani" as mentioned above. The mentioning of Franco Zeffirelli comes from this source, too. -- M.ottenbruch (talk) 07:06, 19 August 2021 (UTC)
 * When talking about "paraphrasing": For instance the change from: "From 2011 to 2013 he was a prize winner at numerous competitions" to: "From 2011 to 2013 he won prizes at several competitions", or from: "One of his most important roles ..." (literally translated from: "Eine seiner wichtigsten Partien ...") to: "One of his signature roles ..." doesn't stop the translation to be a copyright violation. The same goes for replacing "in addition he was Calaf at the Daegu Opera House" by "He appeared as Calaf as a guest at the Daegu Opera House", or "under Maestro Antoni Wit at the Teatr Wielki in Lodz" by "conducted by Antoni Wit, at the Teatr Wielki in Lodz" (both in the same, longer sentence), or "will appear on stage" by "is scheduled to appear". -- M.ottenbruch (talk) 07:06, 19 August 2021 (UTC)

I can see that three paragraphs from the Wikipedia article from 14 August are indeed a translation of the page you cite at Theater Dortmund. Until now, I only looked at the alleged source that was, and still is, mentioned in the copyright violation notices, which do not support the violation claim. I'll leave the matter to others now. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 06:39, 19 August 2021 (UTC)
 * In the first report by Doc Taxon both sources are mentioned. Above I have answered the question why Mr. Lee's Homepage is mentioned at all. There was an WP:Edit conflict with your last edit. -- M.ottenbruch (talk) 07:06, 19 August 2021 (UTC)
 * As I've said many times, the last version I edited (including the German Wiki) was written differently from his website or the Dortmund Opera's website. By the way, I have rewritten this page to the extent that it does not infringe copyright considering all issues.Talk:James Lee (tenor)/Temp and Draft:James Lee (tenor) Please check again!Freivogel04 (talk) 07:17, 19 August 2021 (UTC)

FYI On de-wp the deletion contest is over: the article stays deleted because of copyright violation. -- M.ottenbruch (talk) 04:46, 21 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Pictogram voting wait red.svg Article cleaned, still needs a history purge to remove original copyvio.  Sennecaster  ( Chat ) 13:57, 20 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Pictogram voting support.svg Purged. Copyright problem removed from history. MER-C 16:53, 20 September 2021 (UTC)