Wikipedia:Drawing board/Archives/2007/August

Lifted Music (Drum n Bass Record Label)
Lifted Music is a new record label that has been incredibly groundbreaking in the underground Drum n Bass/Jungle scene. The official website can be found at LiftedMusic.com. I have seen articles for similar DnB labels, and I feel that Lifted deserves a spot. Flarednb 04:26, 1 August 2007 (UTC)


 * If in fact the label has be "groundbreaking", there should be some articles written about it, in what Wikipedia calls reliable source - so, for example, blogs and forums don't count. If you can find some of these, please post them here.  Otherwise, you should wait until the label has in fact gotten enough notice to meet Wikipedia criteria: see Notability (organizations and companies).  -- John Broughton  (♫♫) 12:55, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

Shoe cost
I have heard this economics term and have some idea, but would like a detailed article or at least some discussion on it; would anyone be of any help? 11:54, 1 August 2007 —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 203.81.220.229 (talk • contribs).


 * I had a lot of economics classes in college, and the term is completely unfamiliar to me. That's only one data point, of course, but a Google search on  "shoe cost" + economics came up blank.  Do you have some links that you could post here to show where the phrase is being used as an economics term?  -- John Broughton  (♫♫) 12:59, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

mahala'a
Mahala'a was a country 1,000 years ago aprox. and was created by : -peoplel from china, india, and rome got lost and caught in a bad stom -the lost ones found themselves all in egypt but did not know that it wAS egypt. -they had a short war but were running short on people, so they desided to comprimise -the created a language known as mahala'a as well as the country mahala'a so they could understand eachother this is only a theorie.

the people of mahala'a wrote on bananna leaves that remain in pieces scattered and scarce among the vast desert. Then, in 2002, archeologist found a well preserved leaf with ink and wording. they decyphered the new language and began finding more and more of the se bannana leaves. Modern man knows of 152 known words in mahala'a.

The demise of Mahala'a is very unknown and assumed. It goes that mahala'a was doing some illigal trading with egypt, and egypt did NOT like this. The entire nation was forced into small caves in egypt's landscape. later, the people had to come out to food some days later. They found egypt waiting. In one final cataclismic fight, mahala'a dies forever. Mahala'a was a 5x5 mile long perfect square (romans idea) and had money known a ogmaya (ogmAya) and had the symbol Ω. It was worth $10 and was shells (They owned part of the nile); pery winkles= 100Ω, big shells= 1Ω, small shells= 5Ω, small,beautiful shells= 50Ω.

In late 2006, EVERYTHING on mahala'a on the internet and books about it were shut down or burned, in fear of harm to the only things from mahala'a left- 6 bannana leafs.


 * Cute story. I won't ask for details about exactly how a world-wide book-burning could take place without anyone noticing, or why (I assume) nothing about this country ever appeared in magazines, since it's pretty much impossible to burn every copy of a published magazine edition, or why destroying all information would somehow protect a few historical items.  I will point out that Wikipedia requires reliable sources for its articles.  If you're saying that none exist, then sorry, this isn't the right place for this topic.


 * You can publish articles without sources at the Wikisource project; if that's the situation, then I suggest you take this topic there.  -- John Broughton  (♫♫) 16:00, 4 August 2007 (UTC)


 * There were aprox. 15 books on mahala'a, each wit about 100 copies made. They were given to random scientists (The books were in Yiddish). The scientists were given a notice that told them to return the books, and so it was. The books were then burned. Now on to the question about the magazeens; the country of this discussion is so un- famous, it is only known by about 1000 people, me being one of them, so there is a 0.001273792837828- to- 1 chance that it would make it- not very good :(.
 * Sorry for the grammer & spelling issues, I'm only 10!

Go to the artical of extinct languages of Africa, and you will find Mahala'a. 69.122.252.186 18:19, 4 August 2007 (UTC)


 * I have reverted your edit to that article, as vandalism, and posted a warning on your user talk page about not doing this again.  -- John Broughton  (♫♫) 19:31, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

QT-Possie
I'd like to request to make a page for QT-Possie. I'd like to created but also, i'll need your permission. 19:46, 5 August 2007 PeachyGurl


 * It looks like you've created that article at least once yesterday, and it was speedy deleted twice yesterday. You don't need permission from anyone to create an article; what you need to do is understand the rules here at Wikipedia, and then decide if an article is allowed according to the rules.  Here are some suggestions:


 * Read Notability and Notability (music) to get a sense of what criteria an article needs to meet to be acceptable, and why your article was speedy deleted.


 * Read Your first article


 * Consider writing the article on a subpage, such as User:PeachyGurl/QT-Possie. Then you can come back here and ask for a critique of the draft article before it gets moved to where all the other articles are (and where it can be deleted).  If editors here think the article is good enough to avoid being deleted (again), then you're set.    -- John Broughton  (♫♫) 20:43, 6 August 2007 (UTC)

THREE-VESSEL DISEASE
Yes, hands down, the worst news you can hear about the clogged state of your coronary arteries is that you have three-vessel disease. I know. I heard the news myself just a few months ago, shortly before being taken to emergency quintuple cardiac artery bypass surgery.

The 3 in "Three-Vessel Disease" refers to the 3 main arteries which bring oxygenated blood to your heart. Three-vessel Disease is the term cardiologists use as a a shorthand way of saying that all 3 of your main cardiac arteries have serious blockage in them. Don't be confused -- the blood that comes to your heart through these 3 main coronary arteries is not brought to your heart just to be pumped away again. Rather, it is brought by these 3 main cardiac arteries to provide your heart with the same type of blood supply that every other bodily organ also needs to keep doing its job.

This term is not a familiar one to most non-medical people, but many cardiologists use the term so frequently that they are likely to use it absentmindedly while conversing with patients. "Three-Vessel Disease" - it doesn't sound so bad, 'only' three cardiac blood vessels. But in terms of being clogged, one such clogged 'vessel' is bad, two is much worse, and three clogged vessels, means your life in in serious danger.

The term "three-vessel disease" definitely belongs in the Wikipedia. 23:16, 8 August 2007 —The preceding unsigned comment was added by QuintBy (talk • contribs).


 * I've posted a note at Talk:Atherosclerosis about this suggestion, since that article seems closely related to the above information. I do note that definitions belong in the Wiktionary, a sister project of Wikipedia, rather than in this encyclopedia (at least as a separate article).  So one question is whether this topic is more than a definition.  -- John Broughton  (♫♫) 22:38, 13 August 2007 (UTC)


 * It seems reasonable that this could be a subsection of atherosclerosis, or perhaps of a heart-disease related article. The coronary arteries, which are essentially the vasa vasora of the heart, are of major importance to cardiology. Do we have any cardiologists, or budding cardiologists, who could elaborate on three-vessel disease? It's not a term I'm familiar with. Ante  lan  talk  14:12, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

Child Health and Disability Prevention
Please post a stub or article about the Child Health and Disability Prevention (CHDP) program, a Californnia state health program for children and youth. You will find an online description on the California State Department of Health Services website at http://www.dhs.ca.gov/pcfh/cms/chdp/ Better yet, I would recommend making a page devoted to all of the public health care services for children in California. They would certainly fill a page. One source for this would be this page from the Department of Health Care Services website, http://www.dhcs.ca.gov/services/Pages/default.aspx Unfortunately, this website excludes the CHDP. I was pleased to see your description of SCHIP (State Childrens Health Insurance Program) on your site.

Thank you. I don't currently have access to my log in information, or I would log in. 00:01, 9 August 2007 —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 168.150.253.55 (talk • contribs).


 * Per WP:NOT, Wikipedia isn't a directory, so a page devoted to all public health care services for children in California probably isn't a good idea.


 * There have been a number of national stories about SCHIP recently, so that clearly merited an article. The CHDP similarly seems a large enough program to qualify for an entry, but it would help a great deal if you could cite (or better yet, link to) newspaper articles and other sources of information about the program other than its website and websites of the program at cities and counties.  -- John Broughton  (♫♫) 22:29, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

Motogp Bikes
Here's an intresting discussion for all the fans of motogp. I request you all to have a keen intrest in gathering the information related to the topic and post it on wikipedia. I want you to gather information related to the working, specifications, and comparisions of those bikes and post it on wikipedia. Thanking you. 08:23, 15 August 2007 —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 121.247.95.138 (talk • contribs).


 * The subject appears to be covered at Grand Prix motorcycle racing. -- John Broughton (♫♫) 13:43, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

Island Television Network
Island Television Network or Island TV is a local 24 hour cable channel on the Alabama gulf coast. It started August 1st of 2005 and has expanded to two channels. It is unique in that it showcases local events, sports, charities, public service announcements, and information. It was started by Bryant Mock who is the current CEO/President who also runs the day to day operations. 10:09, 15 August 2007 —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Islandtv (talk • contribs).


 * The website is http://www.islandtvnetwork.com . I ran a Google search on "Island television" Alabama and got 1700 hits, which isn't a lot (particularly since most don't seem to be about ITV). Have there been any news stories about this in what Wikipedia calls reliable sources?  (I ask because if not, then it may not be notable enough for an article.


 * Also, thank you for bringing the idea here rather than creating an article yourself, given the conflict of interest concerns that appear to exist (based on your username). -- John Broughton  (♫♫) 13:43, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

Ok Tokyo - British pop/rock band
Ok Tokyo are a UK-based Pop-Rock Band. They comprise of three members - Sammy Tokyo, Jonny Tokyo & Matt Tokyo. There are several internet rumours about their origins and previous adventures, but they are perhaps best known for their twisted and skewed take on modern pop/rock music. In 2007, after just 10 months into their appearance on the UK Club scene, they managed to secure a spot at the world famous Glastonbury festival, held annually in the UK. They were selected by the BBC from hundreds of nationwide acts, to peform on the BBC's 'Introducing Stage', which has been designed to showcase acts that the Broadcaster believes will make it big in 2008. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.240.36.133 (talk • contribs) 16:41, 16 August 2007


 * Wikipedia is not a crystal ball; we don't include articles about subjects that possibly might be notable in the future.


 * If you look at Notability (music), you'll find a dozen criteria for a band to be considered notable. Which one(s) do you think this band has met? -- John Broughton  (♫♫)(undated 17:38, 19 August 2007)

Auto-Summary
Could someone please make an article about MS Word's Auto-Summary? Or insert it into the article? rabmny 19:43, 17 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Per WP:NOT, Wikipedia isn't a manual, guidebook, or textbook. I really think you can find plenty of information on this feature by using a search engine.   -- John Broughton  (♫♫) 21:21, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

Entry needed for Mountain Bumps
For the past two weeks, the news media has been talking about mountain bumps at the Utah mine. Last night a mountain bump killed three men and has presumably killed six others. A mountain bump, which commonly refers to pressure inside the mine that shoots coal from the walls with great force. Seems like an odd term and I wonder about its origin and whether non-coal mountains can have mountain bumps. Is it just for coal or anything else that is mined? Googling the term doesn't come up with anything on it so it seems to be a mysterious topic. Does it have to do with mining, coal, seismology, mountains, what? What causes the pressure and how common do miners experience these bumps? There have been other mine disasters over the past several years that got a lot of media coverage and I don't recall mountain bumps being talked about. What is so unique about this mine that it produces bumps?

-- I'm just a curious member of the public who would like to see this term explained by someone in the know, 20:32, 17 August 2007 (UTC)Linda Hinkle, Houston, Texas


 * This is a good request, but Wikipedia isn't a dictionary; the info you're after almost certainly should be within an existing article, not a separate article. I suggest posting your request at Talk:Coal mining and/or Talk:Mining accident and see what happens.

www.gametoast.com
Article removed due to -false- slander [User:208.103.143.9|208.103.143.9]] 22:22, 17 August 2007 (UTC)


 * I suggest you read Notability (web) and see if this website qualifies for an article, based on that guideline. I suspect that it does not.   -- John Broughton  (♫♫) 21:26, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

Intel PowerTOP
PowerTOP is a Linux utility, mainly for Intel CPUs, released by Intel and available at http://www.linuxpowertop.org/. If you search for “powertop” at Google or Clusty, you will find mentions of the utility first. OTOH, if you search Wikipedia, you'll find completely different stuff:, and not a mention of PowerTOP.

Question: is PowerTOP notable enough to have its own article, or should it just have a disambiguation page? --AVRS 18:13, 19 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Good question. Unless this utility has gotten a lot of press coverage (and I can't see why it would), it's best added to an existing article, if included at all. I suggest posting a question at Talk:Linux about what article might be best to have a sentence or three about the utility.  -- John Broughton  (♫♫) 21:30, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

Yiddele
Could someone make a page of that? Info at yiddele.com —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Ygb6147 (talk • contribs).


 * You've in no way explained why a basically empty web page (empty except for advertising) is in any way notable enough for a Wikipedia article. -- John Broughton  (♫♫) 21:34, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

Scene (Sociology)
I had an article up for a short time, but it was taken down as it was deemed to be more properly in the wikianary area, so I am trying to get more information on this subject to expand it. Here is what I had:


 * Note: information has been moved to a new subpage: User:Corrupt one/Scene (sociology) - it's much easier to work on there.  I've also done a bit of copyediting and cleanup. - JB

I would like more informataion and referance material for this matter if anyone has any, as well as tips. Please contact me on this matter. Corrupt one 23:49, 19 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Two suggestions - first, I'm a bit surprised that there was no mention of Erving Goffman - he published some quite prominent works on life as theatre. (But I'm not sure how much he used the term "scene", or if he did, how much he meant it in the sense that you're using it.)  Second, there are a number of WikiProjects covering sociology and some of its subtopics - see WikiProject Council/Directory/History and society for a list, and links.  Posting on an appropriate WikiProject talk page might help you find some other people who are interested in helping with the article.


 * Finally, the biggest challenge here, to me, other than finding references, is to avoid the issue of original research. If in fact "scene" is well-defined in sociological literature (or at least the differing arguments and theories that use that term have been analyzed in professional publications), then you're fine.  But if it's you who is picking up bits and pieces here and there in order to create an original synthesis, then Wikipedia is the wrong place for this article.  -- John Broughton  (♫♫) 23:09, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

Best Weather in North America
Where are the places in North America where the weather is the finest and the cost of living the lowest. 'Finest' is defined as nominal temperate changes, i.e., not to hot and not to cold for all 12 months of the year. Also, not too windy or rainy. Please list town and state or province. An additional consideration is a place where the population is still low, i.e., less than 75,000 people.Mikeuebe 17:32, 20 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Sorry, you're posting in the wrong place. Please try the Reference desk, and please keep in mind that Wikipedia, in general, isn't a guidebook.  -- John Broughton  (♫♫) 23:10, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

New breed of djs using turntablism techniques with Midi.
there is a small but exciting movement within the emerging digital dj world that is being called controllerism. It is the use of Midi controllers and customized dj software to create compelling performances that are similar but more complicated than their turntablism fore bearers. There are 2 notable leaders in this field that should be mentioned and also deserve wikipedia references in their own right. dj Moldover, (creator of the octave masher and popular performer) and Ean Golden (dj columnist for Remix magazine and well known digital dj) —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Goldensol (talk • contribs).


 * Can you cite any references that meet Wikipedia's criteria for reliable sources? -- John Broughton  (♫♫) 23:12, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

Politically Exposed Person (PEP)
Politically Exposed Person or PEP is a term that defines a person who may be or recently acted in the political arena of a country or has held such a position in the recent past. Such an individual must be tracked by financial institutions as they contain risk to the institution and possibly the country of domicile. Heavy fines have been imposed on financial institutions, that have conducted business with PEPs without following adequate Know Your Customer procedures and enhanced due diligence processes. The focus of such legislation is the link between corrupt policticians to money laundering and financing of terrorism. Since September 11, 2001 more than 100 countries have changed their laws related to financial services, making the fight against politicalcorruption a core piece of the new legislation.

The definition of a PEP is commonly based on the Financial Action Task Force definitions, which are as follows:

Individuals with prominent public functions, such as chief of states, high ranked politicians, judges, parliament members, military officials:
 * Senior Party Members
 * Management of government owned corporations
 * Immediate family members, spouse, children, siblings, parents and spouses parents and siblings
 * Close associates, personal or business

External links:
 * http://www.fatf-gafi.org/pages/0,2987,en_32250379_32235720_1_1_1_1_1,00.html
 * http://www.wolfsberg-principles.com/faq-persons.html
 * http://www.worldcompliance.com/PEPs.htm

—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Randsinmiami (talk • contribs).


 * Per WP:NOT, Wikipedia is not a dictionary. Dictionary entries are welcomed at Wiktionary.  -- John Broughton  (♫♫) 20:01, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

Election Monitoring
The Election Monitoring Center is a nonpartisan, independent NGO from Azerbaijan. The EMC does election monitoring and civil society building. EMC cooperates with the OSCE, the International Foundation for Election Systems, the National Endowment for Democracy, the Council of Europe and USAID.

I work at this organization, and I want to avoid a conflict of interest. The Election Monitoring Center is renowned within the country, but we would like to have a Wikipedia entry so that English speakers worldwide can find background information on our organization before we report on the 2008 Azerbaijani Presidential Election. At the moment, very few English speakers not involved or supportive of the EMC are aware of this NGO, so an objective author is difficult to find. I would be happy to write something, but I do want some oversight.

Relevant websites are: ENEMO: http://www.enemo.eu/index.htm EMC: http://www.emc-az.org/eng/index.php

Thanks for any feedbackRdbke 12:28, 23 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Welcome to Wikipedia. Thank you for posting here; a large number of article creators are unaware of Wikipedia's conflict of interest guidelines, and, unfortunately, don't ask.


 * I suggest that you start by creating a subpage, such as User:Rdbke/Election Monitoring Center (you can do so by simply clicking on this link, when it's red), and then write a draft of what you think the article should say. Among the most important things is to include links to what we call reliable sources - for example, this 2005 report.  Ideally those citations should be English-language sources, but a few (important) non-English sources would be acceptable.  Take a look at the article CIS election observation missions, which may give you some ideas (but please note that the article is sadly lacking in sources/citations).


 * Once you've got a draft of the article (no matter how rough), particularly if it has links to English-language sources that others can use, then you're in a position to ask other editors to review it (I'll be happy to help, personally) and then to get it moved to what we call "mainspace" - where it will be an actual article, not a subpage of yours.


 * Finally, Wikipedia has a LOT of rules. I've posted a welcome notice on your user page, and I suggest that you follow a few of the links there, to get a sense of things.  You might also check the "New articles" section of this index for additional advice.  -- John Broughton  (♫♫) 12:50, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

K.I.D.S Clothing
K.I.D.S was formed on the date August 20, 2007 and will be patented next year on the same date. K.I.D.S was formed by Christopher Evan-Lopez and by Issac Esparza. It started out as Esparza was making a humorous joke about the videogame, Guiatar Hero 2, in there fifth per. class at that time which was there science class. Lopez interrupted him at the moment and showed him the drawing of the logo. Esparza liked the idea and shared some of his thoughts with Lopez as they discussed what this should be. They both decided they should make it into a skateboard/clothing company. At the end of class everything was set and complete, K.I.D.S was formed.


 * Good luck on your business idea. When it's successful, and has had a number of national press stories about it, please do come back to Wikipedia and check if someone else has created an article (if not, please read our conflict of interest statement).  And until it does get some press stories, please be aware that it in no way is appropriate for an article here.  -- John Broughton  (♫♫) 03:13, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

Zodiac Death Valley (band)
Zodiac Death Valley is a rock/blues/folk band from San Francisco, California. They formed in the fall of 2005. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Slickysac (talk • contribs) 05:15, August 24, 2007 (UTC)


 * Wikipedia has some very specific criteria for whether a band should have an article, or not, in Wikipedia. Please review Notability (music); if you think the band meets one or more of those criteria, please explain further, on this page.   -- John Broughton  (♫♫) 03:17, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

Capt. Alexis H. Davison
I was interested in finding consolidated information on Capt. Alexis H. Davison, aka Dr. Alexis H. Davison through old newpaper articles but was frustrated by the bits and pieces I was finding and the fees that are being charged by online archives. My interest started when I purchased a Citroen/Maserati SM that was previously owned by Dr. Alexis H. Davison of Atlanta, GA.

He was a CIA agent tied to Lt. Col. Oleg Penkovsky? A picture was supposed to have been published of him in the December 15, 1962 issue of Pravda and then it was reported throughout the U.S. His mother was mentioned in an address book of Lee Harvey Oswald. He testified at House Select Committee on Assassinations.


 * A Google search turns up things like these:  .  I'm not convinced that Davison is notable enough for Wikipedia; he seems like a rather minor character.  And unfortunately, Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collector of information.  -- John Broughton  (♫♫) 13:02, 16 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Davison has a biography in the University of Georgia Hargrett Rare Books and Manuscript Library . I've sent a request to get a copy of it.  If I find anything notable, I'll come back to the Drawing Board.  Thanks.

Dsnowdy 16:09, 16 August 2007 (UTC)


 * One of the most important thing about the biography is the extent to which it cites published articles and other public sources. The more of these there are, and the more they focus on Davison himself (as opposed to merely mentioning him in a paragraph or two of a larger article), the better in terms of meeting the criteria at Notability (people).  -- John Broughton  (♫♫) 18:43, 26 August 2007 (UTC)

Escaping Vaudeville
Escaping Vaudeville are a 5 piece post hardcore band hailing from Brisbane,Queensland,Australia. EV was formed in late 2006 - following the break up of the current members past respective bands.

Their innovative mix of dual vocalists, melodic guitar riffs, unique harmonies as well as a dynamic stage presence has earnt the band the respect of not just local Brisbane bands but the respect of bands from all over Australia. See:


 * http://www.myspace.com/escapingvaudeville
 * http://www.triplejunearthed.com/Artists/View.aspx?artistid=12819


 * As noted in the section immediately above, Wikipedia has some very specific criteria for whether a band should have an article, or not, in Wikipedia. Please review Notability (music); if you think the band meets one or more of those criteria, please explain further, on this page.  -- John Broughton  (♫♫) 18:43, 26 August 2007 (UTC)

Copyright vs Public Domain
In order to publish a line of a song, do you need written permission from the copyright holder? Two lines? One verse out of three?

If you quote four lines of a perticular subject out of four thousand written lines, it certainly doesn't steal his/her product, especially if you credit the person appropriately. Is that copyright infringement?

Is there a standard method of crediting the copyright holder for bits and/or pieces that precludes flooding them with requests for publishing one line of five thousand in one book of 25o books? If, so what is the standard for what seems to be Public Domain and copyright infringement?71.227.187.86 18:06, 26 August 2007 (UTC)


 * This is a question you should ask elsewhere - please try our reference desk. You're essentially asking about fair use, so you might want to read that article first. -- John Broughton  (♫♫) 18:43, 26 August 2007 (UTC)

robots
i was thinking about creating an article for my friends innvention a very life like robot. I was going to include what it does and how it is taken care of, As i do not wish to reveal how he created it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Shanuz (talk • contribs) 08:14, August 27, 2007 (UTC)


 * Probably a bad idea; see our policy prohibiting content based only on personal knowledge. After national publications (newspapers, magazines) write articles about your friend's invention, then an article - based solely on what has been published - would be appropriate.  -- John Broughton  (♫♫) 13:15, 27 August 2007 (UTC)


 * This sounds awfully suspicious to me now Shanuz. Are you sure he's made a robot? Are you sure he hasn't made... nothing? But jokes aside, it certainly doesn't sound like it would meet the notability requirements. Thanks for asking here anyway. It would be nice if more people would - while I was interested to read about the new discover of the 'Mega fish' some time ago, I think the author would be best advised to go back to the drawing board, if he had come here in the first place. Richard001 09:40, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

FABRIKA doo Sarajevo
ABOUT US

[Fabrika]'s beginnings go back to 1985, when TRIO design team was founded, but the name [FABRIKA] does not emerge until 1989, when a group of designers decide to expand their studio into an agency. The most important development period for the agency begins after the war, starting in 1997. The agency develops, hires more professionals and offers more services with each year. In 2000, Fabrika becomes the biggest domestic independent agency based on its yearly turn-over. [Fabrika] grows with each year, and is, on today's market, competing with international chain agencies. [Fabrika] rates as one of the three biggest full service agencies in Bosnia and Herzegovina.

Fabrika is unique compared to other large players because it is domestic and independent of any agency chain. We deliver services to both domestic and international clients.

Our philosophy is to create a partnership of equals among media, agency and client.

Our goal is to improve clients success best demonstrated by their results. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Salemas (talk • contribs) 21:06, August 29, 2007 (UTC)


 * I've posted a note about conflict of interest on your user talk page, because using the term "our" (as in "our philosophy", "our goal") implies you work for and at the company.


 * As for a separate article in Wikipedia about the company, please review Notability (organizations and companies). -- John Broughton  (♫♫) 12:51, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

Panic of 2007
I'm thinking that an article about the stock market/sub-prime mortgage Panic of 2007 is ready to be written. To start, I'd like to write a short paragraph giving a brief explanation of the contributing factors (reset ARMs, etc). Secondly, I'd like to talk about the lead-up to the beginning of the fed's intervention when injecting liquidity in the markets. Basically, about the wild swings in the credit and stock markets. And the third paragraph will be about the fall-out from it. The Panic of 2007 may not be over yet but I don't think that's a reason for me to not get started on this. TragicHipster 15:29, 30 August 2007 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by TragicHipster (talk • contribs) 15:25, August 30, 2007 (UTC)


 * Please see 2007 Subprime mortgage financial crisis. Also, please review the part of WP:NOT dealing with crystal balls.   -- John Broughton  (♫♫) 13:32, 31 August 2007 (UTC)