Wikipedia:Drawing board/Archives/2007/July

Syndy Ziegenfuss
—Preceding unsigned comment added by Cdegan3 (talk • contribs) 01:14, 29 June 2007


 * Text of an article commented out.
 * This board is for discussion about possible new articles. Please do not submit the text of an article here for somebody else to create. Please go to Requested articles for that. Thank you.&mdash;Elipongo (Talk contribs) 01:05, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

List of museums in Taiwan
The National Palace Museum, Taipei The Museum of Modern Art, Taipei —Preceding unsigned comment added by 59.124.5.22 (talk • contribs) 01:27, 29 June 2007


 * You'll find most of what you're looking for in Category:Museums in Taiwan. A separate list article might be useful. Read the list guideline to learn what goes into making a list article. Cheers! &mdash;Elipongo (Talk contribs) 01:14, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

Tony Cheung
Tony Cheung is a Cwalker from Cuijk. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.29.158.72 (talk • contribs) 17:47, 29 June 2007


 * Always nice to hear from the Netherlands, though I have no idea wat a Cwalker is. Before you write an article on this person, please be sure that his notability can be verified using reliable sources that can be cited in the article. Good luck! &mdash;Elipongo (Talk contribs) 01:47, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

autofs
presently no entry for autofs

here is a proposed starting point: autofs is a kernel-based automounter for Linux type systems autofs controls the functioning of the automount daemons. I'm not an expert on this subject but I figure that much is correct. —Preceding unsigned comment added by General Disarray (talk • contribs) 23:32, 1 July 2007


 * Hello and thanks for writing. You're quite right, there seems to be no article about this computer related subject. A quick Google search turned up several of what I would call reliable sources that could be used to establish the subject's notability. If you don't feel yourself qualified to start a well fleshed article, you might think about bringing the lack of this article to the attention of editors at WikiProject Computer science who may be able to help you more than I. Happy editing! &mdash;Elipongo (Talk contribs) 02:02, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

Project-specific: Overview/history of why the current policies and guidelines came to be.
Wikipedia has an impressive amount of policies and guidelines, which allow it to function more or less effectively. Undoubtedly more will be added in the future, which will be shaped by those already in place. If you dig deep enough in the history of these policies and guidelines, you might find information on why they were created, and various other project articles might have mentions of the form "in responce to x, policy y was formed". But (as far as I can find), no global overview exists that places the creation of all the policies and guidelines in context. It's all scattered and really hard to piece together. The existence of a project specific article (titled History_behind_policies_and_guidelines?) would seem to me to be a very useful resource, especially in the deep future. Newly starting wikis might also benefit strongly from this, as rather than blindly copying wikipedia's policies, they could examine the reasons behind the creation thereof, and make different (better?) choices for their specific circumstances. I think the most useful way to set up this article would be in chronological order. Something like "In April 2002, reverting wars (insert short explanation of what that is and how they came to be) caused the creation of policy X; this was found to be ineffective during the controversy of FooBar in June 2002, and so changed to Y", which would show how the policies and guidelines all organically grew, but a list of the policies and guidelines with a short blurb each on why they were created might also work; I don't know how much interdependency there is between them.

I would start such an article myself, but I'm a complete outsider to wikipedia, and I don't know anything about why any of the policies or guidelines are what they are (I'm sure at least a few were formed simply by "common sense" or "it seemed like a good idea at the time", but there must be real history behind many others), which makes it kinda hard to write any actually useful content on this subject. *g* I'm hoping that someone who does have at least some familiarity with it will see this idea here and actually implement it. (I can't request for such a page to be created under Requested_articles, as that doesn't have a category for project-specific articles.) 71.57.109.108 18:37, 20 June 2007 (UTC)


 * That is definetely and interesting idea! I'm not sure, but is History of Wikipedian processes and people pretty much what you're describing? Thanks for your ideas, keep them coming! &mdash;Elipongo (Talk contribs) 03:08, 25 June 2007 (UTC)


 * That history page has a lot of pieces that I think would be useful for this overview as I imagine it, yes, although it also seems to be focusing on specifics (completely ignoring the more basic processes; might be that people here are just too close to them), and to assume a lot of prior knowledge about wikipedia from its readers. I saw a mention on that page of the "village pump". Would that be an appropriate venue to put this suggestion and try to find someone who has the knowledge to actually write a significant part of this article? —71.57.109.108 20:03, 27 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Yes, the Village Pump can be a good place to find knowledgeable people, but I think a better idea would be to start a discussion at the talk page of the article I referenced above. The regular editors of that article are already interested in the subject and they may even know of an existing article on the subject that I didn't find. Let me know how it goes, I'm interested! &mdash;Elipongo (Talk contribs) 23:56, 27 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Thanks, I've added a section to the talk page there. Fingers crossed for progress. —71.57.109.108 04:09, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

"Heart of the City" TV series...
I need someone to create this page about this excellent(but short-lived) ABC series...thanks Baldwin91006 16:56, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

If no one can help out, then I'll have to do this, but I'm still new to Wikipedia, so I'll have to do this right the first time(can anyone help me on that, too?)...thanks...Baldwin91006 16:58, 28 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Are you talking about the show described in the television section of the Big Town article? &mdash;Elipongo (Talk contribs) 00:51, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

No, this has nothing to do with Big Town;instead, this is about a short-lived ABC-TV series that aired from September 1986 to January 1987.It was a crime drama set in L.A..Baldwin91006 19:25, 2 July 2007 (UTC)


 * That must be this show, that does sound like an interesting TV series. Since the series has an Emmy to its credit, that does make it pass the notability criteria.


 * Now as for starting the article. You need to find some reliable sources so that you can verify the information you plan to cite in the article. For ideas on how to set the article, use the links in the welcome message on your user talk page, they're VERY helpful. You might want to also browse around and look at the articles of other TV shows for ideas on what to include.


 * Don't worry if it's very short to begin with, lot of articles start off that way. Simply tag it as a stub by putting US-tv-prog-stub at the bottom of the page. Happy editing and stop back and let us know how it goes!&mdash;Elipongo (Talk contribs) 22:12, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

Sparkling Wiggles
I've made a page at www.wikipedia.org/en/wiki/Sparkling_Wiggles_Video

It's not coming up on searches for Sparkling Wiggles.

I would also like some suggestions on how to go about making this a more robust article, as it's something that relates to current racial sensitivities and internet pheneomena. THank you —Preceding unsigned comment added by JayNaz (talk • contribs) 05:27, 29 June 2007


 * Your question would be better suited at Requests for feedback since this board is to help people before they write an article.


 * It is a very nice article, written in an informative and professional tone. It is lacking in citations that prove the subject's notability. Quite frankly the article is in danger of deletion if it does not fulfil that requirement. The folks at the forum I posted above will be able to help you even more. Happy editing! &mdash;Elipongo (Talk contribs) 01:40, 2 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Ah yes, I see I forgot to address your question about the search function. There's actually a significant lag in the search function's indexing, pay it no mind, it will get to your article. &mdash;Elipongo (Talk contribs) 21:47, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

Extreme IT
Extreme IT - Founded by Christopher Reeves in 2000, provides computer services to the greater Auckland region in New Zealand. Extreme IT has grown to a large business, providing software development, website development and IT services to the SME market. More information can be found by going to —Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.12.105.132 (talk • contribs) 03:06, 2 July 2007


 * That sounds like a very interesting company. Before you start an article, please make sure that the subject meets the relevant notability criteria for inclusion in the encyclopedia. Essentially a subject has to be non-trivially mentioned in multiple secondary reliable sources that can be cited in an article to verify the information. Thanks again for writing! &mdash;Elipongo (Talk contribs) 21:06, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

Burton Trees
Burton Trees were created in 1979 by Bruce Burton, of Evanston, Illinois. His vision was to be able to capture audiences by using a Tree to graphically depict History of Music and Sports.

Burton has showed us a new way to teach and learn about History, and his uncanning attention to detail brings new meaning History Text.

Roughly 24" x 30," these Signed Lithographs depict everything from 1960's Music, to the Chicago White Sox Ninety year history complete with every player, their position, and Comiskey Park Old and New.

Available for the first time online, Burton Trees are the ultimate gift for everyone, every budget, everywhere.

67.165.183.59 04:08, 2 July 2007 (UTC)


 * That does sound like an interesting concept, but the text you have above sounds a lot more like an advertisement than the beginnings of an encyclopedia article on the subject. Before you do start an article, be sure that the subject meets the relevant notability criteria. Basically a subject has to have been non-trivially mentioned in multiple third-party reliable sources so that the information can be verified and can be cited in an article. Thanks again for your post. &mdash;Elipongo (Talk contribs) 21:14, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

Blue Tiger
I want to create a page for the revival of an 80's rock band Blue Tiger. I know the lead guitarist personally, so information wouldnt be a problem. blue tiger is a band that recently got signed to retrospect reocrds, since there myspace page which was originally a tribute page hit it big. and now there lined up fora world tour. so contact me at email removed to prevent spam, iwould really like to create a page for them so please get back at me. thank you for your time. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Philbrook34 (talk • contribs) 18:13, 3 July 2007


 * They sound like a very interesting musical group. Before you start an article on them, please make sure they meet the relevant notability criteria. In general, for inclusion in the encyclopedia, the information about a subject must be verified by having been non-trivially mentioned in multiple reliable sources that can be cited in an article. There are other notability criteria for musical groups, so read the guideline I linked to above. Thanks again for you question and happy editing! &mdash;Elipongo (Talk contribs) 20:56, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

Catherine Patricia Mackin
I was wondering if someone would be interested in writing an article about Catherine Patricia Mackin, also known as "Cassie", to be published on Wikipedia. She was an NBC news personality in the 1970's, and was an important female figure in television journalism. Good information to start with can be found here, though I am certain other sources exist... http://www.lib.umd.edu/archivesum/actions.DisplayEADDoc.do?source=MdU.ead.histms.0100.xml&style=ead#overview She is referenced currently under the NBC News heading under Current and Past Personalities. She also worked for ABC, and won an Emmy for reporting there.

I was surprised to find no information linked to her name, and was hoping someone might change that. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Pumpkin65 (talk • contribs) 14:37, 7 January 2007


 * Hello. Thank you for writing and sorry for the severely delayed reply. For inclusion in the encyclopedia, a person has to meet the notability criteria. Basically they need to have been non-trivially mentioned in multiple reliable sources that could then be cited in an article to verify the information. The source you've given is very good, but it's the only one I could find in my quick look, perhaps you know of more. Best wishes and happy editing!&mdash;Elipongo (Talk contribs) 21:56, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

Andrew "Bernie" Macdonald
i just wish to make a bio on a popular icon in connecticut who isn't well known out side of connecticut and i just wanna make an artical so that more and more will learn of him because i beleive he is the perfect rolemodel for the younger kids for instance if he doesn't like something he works his hands to the bone to fix it and he always makes people smile and like i said i just wanna make a small out of the way artical so that he gets the reconition he deserves —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.177.3.121 (talk • contribs) 02:59, 11 January 2007


 * Hello and thank you for your note and my apology for this delayed reply. For a person's biography to be included in the encylopedia, they have to meet the relevant notability criteria. Basically they have to have been non-trivially mentioned in multiple reliable sources that can be cited in an article to verify the information. Thanks again for writing! &mdash;Elipongo (Talk contribs) 21:32, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

List of Naruto Shipp?den Chapters
I'm a HUGE fan of NARUTO, one day i want to see a list of Naruto episodes, then i tried to see a list of NARUTO 2 (Shipp?den) Chapters, which is the name of a comic episode. As i looked, i found that there was only List of Naruto Shipp?den Arcs —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.130.201.155 (talk • contribs) 21:57, 19 January 2007


 * Hello and thanks for writing and sorry for the delayed reply. Lists like these should only really be created for really notable films or shows. If you have several non-trivial mention in third-party reliable sources that you can then cite in an article/list to verify the information's notability, then you might have the makings of an article. Good luck! &mdash;Elipongo (Talk contribs) 21:19, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

Fort Ancient Valley Conference
Hello, I was surprised to find that this page was not created yet. The FAVC is a high-school sports conference in southwestern Ohio. It is the largest conference in the state and is made up of three separate divisions and 18 different high schools. The conference was named after [Fort Ancient], a Native American site in the local area of the charter schools. The conference's website, which includes a complete history, can be found here. Thanks to anyone who takes on this task.


 * Hello, thanks for your post. Actually this board is not the place to ask for someone else to write an article for you; the place for that is Articles for creation.
 * Before you start or request an article, be sure that it meets the notability guidelines. Basically a subject needs to have been non-trivially mentioned in multiple third-party reliable sources that can then be cited in an article to verify the information. Thanks again for writing! &mdash;Elipongo (Talk contribs) 22:05, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

Shoreside Clothing
I have no idea how to get this up but it's a clothing company that is pretty popular here in Florida. They were recently featured on FOX news as well as Surfline Magazine. Pretty much any information can be found on them at thier website shoresideclothing.com or shoreside.weebly.com. I'm trying to get more information available as a lot of people are curious where my clothes are from, etc. Thanks. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.177.63.65 (talk • contribs) 07:22, 7 May 2007


 * Hello; thanks for writing and sorry for the delayed reply. One of the links you posted has gone bad since the time you posted it. The other one seems interesting. If you have some more non-trivial, third party mentions in reliable sources that you can cite in an article to verify the subject's notability you may very well have a nice little article. Happy editing! &mdash;Elipongo (Talk contribs) 20:49, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

Hafgufa
See lyngbakr (Above).Kraken of the Depths 01:44, 26 September 2006 (UTC


 * That thread must have already been archived, but I see that both creatures are mentioned in the Kraken article. If you have enough material from reliable sources that you can cite in the article to verify the subject's notability, you should be well on the way to a viable article. Happy editing! &mdash;Elipongo (Talk contribs) 20:34, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

The Field School
Shouldn't be too hard to create. I've never created an article before and I don't have the time to figure it out right now. I'd be happy to help or edit it, though. Here's the school's website: http://fieldschool.org/ Thanks, 08ashepa 00:23, 30 May 2007


 * Hello; thanks for writing and sorry for the delayed reply. It seems there was already an article with that name but it was deleted with a deletion summary given as "Nonsense".
 * We don't write articles for you on this page, If you want someone else to write it instead of doing it yourself, please visit Articles for creation.
 * I would normally advise you to make sure that the subject of your article meets the notability criteria, but there has been a running debate on whether secondary schools are inherently notable. If you can find any extra non-trivial mention of the school in multiple, secondary reliable sources, that you can cite in an article, you'll be a long way down the path of establishing the article. Good luck! &mdash;Elipongo (Talk contribs) 20:16, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

Maude Royden
Christian feminist... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.156.220.160 (talk • contribs) 11:26, 4 July 2007


 * Do you mean Agnes Maude Royden? &mdash;Elipongo (Talk contribs) 12:17, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

Adam Cote - Democratic Candidate for Congress, 1st District of Maine
This candidate for Congress in Maine is an established lawyer, Iraq war veteran, and one of the "Figthing Dems." He is a solid candidate with excellent prospects. People interested in the 2008 elections should be able to find out about him - he is running in what, although is currently a strong Democratic seat, has been a swing seat in the past. In the past 12 years, the seat has been represented by both a Democrat and a Republican - this trend could continue and Maine's First District will likely be a battle ground. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.58.202.57 (talk • contribs) 16:26, 4 July 2007


 * Hello, and happy independence day! Thanks for writing. Upon checking it seems that there already was an article for Mr. Cote, but it was deleted. The text of the deletion debate can be found at Articles for deletion/Adam Cote. I can see nothing that was done incorrectly during the deletion process, so I should think that an appeal would be futile. My advice is to give it some time, if Mr. Cote wins the primary he'll almost definitely get an article written here. Happy editing!&mdash;Elipongo (Talk contribs) 19:09, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

Brown and Gold Football
Brown and Gold is a football game played at Rockway Middle School every November. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mlola (talk • contribs) 02:27, 5 July 2007


 * Hello and thanks for your post. I think that a description of that football game would likely be more appropriate as a section in the Middle School's article rather than as an independent article. Remember to include citations to reliable sources to verify the information you add. Happy editing! &mdash;Elipongo (Talk contribs) 13:24, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

THOR MICHAEL L. COTE
THOR MICHAEL L. COTE, —Preceding unsigned comment added by Faashaula (talk • contribs) 16:06, 5 July 2007


 * Okay... what about him? &mdash;Elipongo (Talk contribs) 16:26, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

Biblical Authority.
I think the Christianity series needs an article with this name, to cover the views of different academic theologians and worship traditions toward the subject. It will need to be well integrated into the current areticles about the Bible. Any help anyone?Benny the wayfarer 16:47, 5 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Hi and thanks for your post. Probably the best place you could go to find collaborators (and also to make sure this article wouldn't duplicate something else) would be WikiProject Christianity. I'm sure that the subject meets the notability criteria, so my general advice would be to make sure that you provide citations from reliable sources to verify the information in the article. Good luck and happy editing! &mdash;Elipongo (Talk contribs) 18:31, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

Multiple Reaction Monitoring (MRM)
Multiple Reaction Monitoring is a sensitive mass spectrometry technique used widely in pharmacology. A compound with a known mass-to-charge ratio among a complex mixture is targeted and those ions stemming from the compound are fragmented (tandem MS) to verify the presence of, and roughly quantify, the compound.

I'm not sure if this is completely correct, and I know almost nothing about it. Please help! 128.187.0.164 22:30, 5 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Hello. I'm not completely clear whether you're asking a question or proposing an addition to the encyclopedia. If you're asking a question, the best place to go is the Reference desk where there are people who just love to answer questions. If you're proposing an addition to the encyclopedia, I would say that the best place to start would be the relevant article's talk page at Talk:Mass spectrometry. I can't find the technique you mention in the main article, so if there's a gap in the article it should be addressed on the article's talk page to rectify the situation. Happy editing! &mdash;Elipongo (Talk contribs) 02:49, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

2008 presidential campaign
Would someone please make a page on this? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ygb6147 (talk • contribs) 01:20, 6 July 2007


 * The Drawing board is a place where we help you make an article, Articles for creation and Requested articles are the places to go to ask someone else to create an article for you.


 * Having said that, If you're talking about the 2008 election in the United States, that article already exists at United States presidential election, 2008. Hope that helps some. Happy editing! &mdash;Elipongo (Talk contribs) 02:57, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

pretzel art
i like pretzel art. i can make any 2d figur out of pretzels24.150.172.201 03:58, 7 July 2007 (UTC)


 * That's a very interesting skill. A nice photo of you work might make a good addition to the Pretzel article. I'm not sure if it warrants an independent article, though. For a subject to be included in the encyclopedia, it has to be proven notable by having been non-trivially mentioned in multiple, non-primary reliable sources that can be cited in an article to verify the information. Cheers! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Elipongo (talk • contribs) 05:17, 8 July 2007

Apple Tea
I wanted to make an article on apple tea but I need more info on what it is and stuff like that! contribs)07:59, 7 July 2007 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ducky3.14 (talk • contribs) 23:59, 6 July 2007


 * A good place to start to look for references is a library. In this case you might want to try some sorts of cook books. Searching the Internet using a search engine such as Google could also be helpful to find information, but a quick glance I took just now didn't find much in the way of reliable sources from Google.


 * Doing the research is an important step in determining whether a subject will meet the notability criteria for inclusion in the encyclopedia. A subject has to have been non-trivially mentioned in multiple secondary reliable sources to that can be cited in an article to verify the information.


 * If you don't think you can establish notability under the criteria, you might want to instead add your informatiion as a section to one of the existing articles related to Tea.


 * Also, you might consider also asking about this at WikiProject Food and drink where people who specialize in these kind of articles might be able to help you out more in terms of sources and style. Good luck!&mdash;Elipongo (Talk contribs) 05:03, 8 July 2007 (UTC)

hindustani pooja
Hindustani pooja is praying to God, singing aarti's {songs of phrases of gods},saying story or mantras {short words.} In Dehli people say praying will give happiness and protect from the harmful and evil eyes. One of the festivals in wich pooja in India is Dipavali. Dipavali is a festival of ligts and a symbol of good over the evil after the pooja there are fire works and sparklers. Mainly it is called Dipavali otherwise it is known as Diwali. In India there are many different gods. There are three main gods Shiva the destroyer,Vishnu the creator and Brahma the saver all tehese gods com in diffrent forms. there are forms of Shiva such as Kali and Hanuman and so on. There are also forms of Vishnu such as Krisna and Ram and so on. There are forms of Brahma to wich I do not know. There are many forms of the three main gods wich I did not name. this is what hindustani pooja is. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Meheksethi (talk • contribs) 23:03, 8 July 2007


 * Hello and thank you for bringing up this topic, it sounds very interesting. I think that the article already exists, though. Is the article Puja about the subject you're talking about? Thanks again for writing! &mdash;Elipongo (Talk contribs) 02:34, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

What is frequency tripling?
What is it?

and how do you do it to obtain smaller frequencies like for instantance femtosecond UV lasers.. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.106.37.171 (talk • contribs) 21:23, 9 July 2007


 * Hi there, I don't know if the Nonlinear optics article would help answer your question, but you might consider taking your question to the Reference desk where there are people who specialize in answering questions like this. This board is for helping people to discuss ideas for new articles. Thanks for writing! &mdash;Elipongo (Talk contribs) 21:40, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

The Wilson Massacre
<!-- Editor's Note:The following essay was originally published on the Show Me South website by John T. Coffee Camp member Clint Lacy. This spellbinding article is a corollary to the riveting essay authored by Australian writer Jim Gray about how the Lincoln administration ran their policy of terror in Missouri.

Mr. Lacy picks up where Gray leaves off by discussing two crucial points about the history of Missouri. The first examines another aspect of how the Union strategy of attacking targets like hospitals and Christmas parties was part of an overall policy to maximize the level of terror within in the population of Missouri in an attempt to control territory. The second point gives us a window into how the mechanisms of revision are employed to cloud Missouri’s Confederate heritage and cover-up Lincoln Administration atrocities. Whether it is former Missouri Gov Holden’s use of State power or the nattering of “useful idiots” for the Left the result of revisionism is the same: diminish the role of Missouri in Southern history, deny the nobility of the Southern Cause, and cast the Confederate soldier in the relativistic terms of Political Correctness thereby numbing the public’s interest.—Editor.

THE WILSON MASSACRE “The Story of Union Brutality in the Southeast Missouri Ozarks” By: Clint E. Lacy

One of the most controversial pieces of work that late author and historian Jerry Ponder wrote was his account of the Wilson Massacre in Ripley County, Missouri; which occurred on December 25th 1863. On December 23rd, 1863, members of the 15th Missouri Cavalry, CSA, attacked and captured nearly 100 Union prisoners at Centerville in Reynolds County, Missouri; burning the courthouse down before they left. Ponder wrote that:

"An unusual group assembled at the Pulliam farm in southwestern Ripley County, Missouri for Christmas in 1863. Nearly 150 officers and men of the Missouri State Guard's 15th Cavalry Regiment (Confederate); at least sixty civilians, many of them women and children; and 102 prisoners, officers and men of Company C, Missouri State Militia (Union).

The civilians were family members, friends, and neighbors. Confederate "hosts" and Union "guests" were all Missourians; but they were divided by perhaps the bitterest of all enmities--those of civil war.

The day's activity was to begin with religious services conducted by the Reverend Colonel Timothy Reeves, commanding officer of the 15th Cavalry and a Baptist preacher of Ripley County. Then would follow Christmas dinner in the afternoon. The group at Pulliam' s farm numbered above three hundred at the very least, if the figures on the record are to be believed. It was too many for a mere religious service and holiday dinner. Pulliam's was one of Reeves's regimental camps.

What began as a festive occasion ended in horror and tragedy. As the celebrants sat at dinner, their arms stacked, they were surprised by two companies of the Union Missouri State Militia, more than 200 mounted cavalrymen. Only those guarding the prisoners, about 35 men, were armed. The Militia attacked without warning, shooting into the crowd, attacking with sabers, and killing at least thirty of the Confederate men instantly and mortally wounding several more. According to local tradition, many--perhaps most---of the civilians were killed or wounded as well.

The immediate cause of the Wilson Massacre was a series of events at Centerville, Reynolds County. Centerville Courthouse was some sixty miles north of Doniphan and twenty-five southwest of Pilot Knob. Late in 1863, Centerville was captured by the Union 3rd Cavalry from Pilot Knob. Company C was left as garrison. On December 21, while engaged in building stables on the courthouse grounds, they were surprised and surrounded by Company N of Reeves's 15th Missouri Cavalry, under command of Captain Jesse Pratt, before the war the Baptist minister of Centerville. Company N was composed of farmers and merchants of Reynolds County. Probably Pratt and the Reeves brothers, also Baptist preachers, were long-time acquaintances. That Pratt was accorded the honor of recapturing his hometown was not accidental.

Captured were 102 Union men with their horses. Pratt took them south to Ripley County with a small group, leaving most of his men to garrison Centerville. He presented the prisoners to Reeves at Pulliam's on Christmas morning, and joined his fellows of the regiment for the day's festivities. One Union soldier had been allowed to escape at Centerville, doubtless to carry news of the event back to Pilot Knob. Reaction there was swift. Colonel R.G. Woodson, commander of the 3rd Missouri, ordered two mounted cavalry companies under Major James Wilson to pursue Pratt. They left Pilot Knob mid-morning on the twenty-third.

Wilson's force rode swiftly, rising in the darkness of the twenty-fifth to be on the road at 3:00 AM. They passed through Doniphan that morning, and continued west toward Ponder, capturing pickets as they went, and descended on Colonel Reeve’s group and prisoners just as they were eating Christmas dinner" (1)

Mr. Ponder's research on this subject can be found in his book: "History of Ripley County Missouri", "A History of the 15th Missouri Cavalry Regiment, CSA: 1862-1865" , in an article published in Ozark Watch magazine (Vol.IV, No.4, Spring 1991) entitled, "Between Missourians: The Civil War in Ripley County", as well as "The Civil War in Ripley County Missouri" (published by the Doniphan-Prospect News in 1992) His research was also convincing enough that author Paulette Jiles used it in her novel "Enemy Women".

It was during this time, that the controversy arose concerning Ponder's research. Most of the criticism appears to have come from Ripley County Historian Ray Burson.

Mr. Burson contacted me several times and tried to convince me not to believe Mr. Ponder. He even sent me a packet of info that he has created to dissuade those who dare use Ponder's research in their writings. Among the papers that Mr. Burson included in his "packet" were pieces (that he put together) entitled: "Jerry Ponder's Sources for the Wilson Massacre and Other Tales" and "Jerry Ponder On Providing His Sources".

Mr. Burson has also seemingly convinced historian and author Kirby Ross that Ponder's account of the Wilson Massacre is fictitious. However, Ponder, shortly before his death in 2005 sent me two documents,

The two papers are:

“The Time of the War" By: Lindzy Dudley written in 1918. Dudley appears to have fought under Colonel Reeves. His name does not appear on the official records, however this is not uncommon. Many men "took to the brush" in order to defend their families from Yankee invasion. It is also my understanding that Confederate "Partisans" were not afforded the same pensions later in life as Union and regular Confederate troops were, therefore no pension records would exist to verify their service. In this piece Lindzy Dudley states (of the Wilson Massacre):

“Reeves was a Baptist preacher. He backed up every sermon with his pistol. Reeves men were mean. No quarter was given or asked. He had commanded a company till the end of 1863.

Colonel Righter was captured with General Thompson and Reeves was put in command of the 15th. In November a field hospital was attacked by colored cavalry and about 100 of Reeves’ men were killed. Reeves collected revenge but he never got over the loss of sick and wounded not able to fight back. Just shot in their beds. He talked about that until he died. On Christmas, a month later, several companies were at the Pulliam farm for a service and feed with their families. This was on the old Tom Pulliam place northwest of Johnston’s Chapel and close to Oregon County and the Arkansas line. There was a big spring there on the Mill Branch where folks in that part had picnics. Reeves did a sermon and the group was ready to eat. The well known Major Wilson, the Yankee from Pilot Knob called “The Murderer”, surrounded and attacked. The killed and the wounded were all over the field. Soldiers, their families, nearby families. All were killed. Those that could get across the creek and up the bluff on the south side and into the timber there to hide or keep on running. It was not right to kill the families. Wilson lived up to his name. The loss of sick and wounded at the hospital and the loss of the men and families at Pulliams was pretty hard to take. We were ready to wipe out the blues all the way to St. Louis" (2)

It is interesting that Ray Burson of the Ripley County Historical Society, would question Dudley's credibility in his account of the Wilson Massacre, yet in the book "History and Families of Ripley County Missouri" the historical society (who along with the publisher holds the copyright to the book) finds Dudley credible enough to relate who the first European settler of Ripley County was:

"In an interview with historian HUME in 1900, Lindzy DUDLEY reported that the first European resident was a "Wees RILEY" who arrived in 1802 with a Delaware Indian wife who soon died in childbirth" (3)

The other document was entitled: "Doniphan- No Man's Land During the Civil War" By: T. L. Wright Jr. and was written in March ,1929. The paper appears to be one written for a High school assignment by T. L. Wright Jr.. On the copy that Mr. Ponder sent me "DONIPHAN PUBLIC LIBRARY" is stamped on the upper left hand corner of the page.

I was able to talk to Jerry Ponder over the phone, while he was in Texas (a few months before he died) and he told me that he found the documents after they had been discarded. During the time that he found the documents (1990-1991) the Doniphan Public Library and the Ripley County library were being consolidated.

In addition I contacted the Ripley County Library's Doniphan Missouri location on Friday July 29, 2006 and talked to two separate librarians, Mr. Allen Rife and Mrs. Rebecca Wilcox. Both told me it was possible that the documents could have been discarded during the consolidation. During a second phone interview conducted on August 7th, 2006 I talked to a third librarian Mrs. Patricia Robison, who told me that though she did not work at the library at the time of the consolidation, she is a life long resident of Ripley County it was "entirely possible" that documents were discarded during the consolidation of the two libraries in the early 1990's.

As a side note, I was also able to check out a book from the Doniphan-Ripley County Library entitled "Doniphan and Ripley County History". There is no copyright date, but the earliest entries appear to be from the early 1900's and the last entry appears to be in the early 1970's and upon examination of the library stamp on this book, and the document that Jerry Ponder sent me, they are the same and one can clearly ascertain that the library stamp on the document Jerry Ponder sent me is valid.

T. L. Wright Jr.'s 1929 paper also gives long time residents accounts of the Wilson Massacre. Given the fact that this paper was written in 1929, it is possible that the accounts could have been eyewitness accounts. Certainly they could be accounts written by citizens who were living during the time of the "Wilson Massacre".

"On Christmas Day, 1863, Major James Wilson, later captured and executed by firing squad at Pilot Knob, and 200 Union troops from Fort Davidson at Pilot Knob, passed through Doniphan, traveling on a southeast course to Pulliam’s Farm, 17 miles from Doniphan where Colonel Reeves and his cavalry were encamped. A vicious, surprise attack ensued and 35 rebels were killed and 112 taken prisoner when the fighting had ended. But worse, families and neighbors were present and, in the heat of battle, Wilson’s soldiers killed over 50 civilians. Mrs. Betty Towell, Tom Pulliam and Ed Cline, long-time residents of the neighborhood, tell that the civilians killed, in camp for a Christmas visit, included women and children who were shot down the same as the rebel soldiers of Reeves’ Regiment. That action attests to the cruelty of the war." (4)

According to historian Kirby Ross, T.L. Wright Jr. was born in 1912. That would have made T.L. Wright Jr. 17 years of age at the time he wrote this document (which appears to be a high school paper). One of the criticisms that Mr. Ross has made in his attempt to discredit Jerry Ponder was posted on an online forum on August 14th, 2005. In it Mr. Ross states (in reference to the document written by T.L.Wright Jr. in 1929) that:

"…do you realize that this version of the T.L. Wright article has a four year old boy conducting complex historical interviews?” (5)

Ross continues by stating:

"Now as to Mr. Ponder's fantabulous precocious four year old interviewer/historian, T. L. Wright, I refer you to Mr. Lacy's posting that says:

"A major set-back was experienced by the Confederate Army on August 24, 1863, when General Jeff Thompson, Colonel William Righter and most of their staffs were captured at the hotel in Pocahontas while holding a planning meeting. General Thompson was taken to a military prison in Ohio and held there for over a year before he was released. Colonel Righter was taken to St. Louis by a circuitous route around Ripley County. He agreed to sign an alliance to the Union and put up $1,000.00 bond as assurance that he would not fight again. The Colonel told me."

That last sentence bears repeating: "The Colonel told me."

Ponder is offering this to show that T.L. Wright personally interviewed Col. William H. Righter. This passage is so ridiculously bad that it is laugh out loud funny and begs to be repeated, for you see, T.L. Wright was born Feb. 15, 1912 and William Harmon Righter passed away on November 26, 1916." (6)

This criticism by Ross bears examination. First of all, as stated before, T.L. Wright Jr. was 17 years of age when he wrote his 1st version of "Doniphan: No Man's Land in the Civil War" in 1929 and the words "The Colonel told me" seems to be more of a recollection of a story that William Harmon Righter told him when he was a young boy. Nowhere has Jerry Ponder ever wrote that T.L.Wright Jr. was conducting "complex interviews" at 4 years of age. It is also important to note that T. L. Wright Jr.'s 1929 version of "Doniphan: No Man's Land During the Civil War", matches Lindzy Dudley's 1918 version of what occurred at Pulliam's Farm on December 25, 1863.

On the same online forum posted by Kirby Ross on Wednesday August 31st, 2005, Ross states:

"And with this published account of the document in question, if Jerry Ponder’s version of “the Wilson Massacre” is to be accepted, one must also accept that Wright participated in part of the massive cover-up of the massacre that Jo Shelby and Jeff Thompson would have also been a part of." (7)

There is no way that Confederate General M. Jeff Thompson of the Missouri State guard could be involved in the Wilson Massacre or have known about it because he was captured on August 22, 1863. The Wilson Massacre occurred on December 25, 1863. General M. Jeff Thompson was in a Yankee prison in the North at the time that the "Wilson Massacre" occurred. (7)

It is possible that after General Thompson's release in 1864, that he had no doubt heard about the atrocities being committed in Ripley County and the surrounding areas, after he made his way back to Missouri just in time to participate in General Price’s 1864 Missouri Expedition.

On the same August 31'st, 2005 online forum post Kirby Ross offers another version of T.L. Wright Jr.'s "Doniphan: No Man's Land in the Civil War" which he claims is the "real" T.L. Wright Jr. document and was published in Doniphan Prospect-News Doniphan, Missouri Thursday, April 2, 1970. Ross states:

"By the way, note that Wright doesn’t refer to William H. Righter as being one of his sources in this article, or of having interviewed him when he was four years old." (8)

This is true, T.L. Wright Jr. does not make mention of Colonel William H. Righter as one of his sources in the 1970 Prospect-News newspaper article. However one must remember that there is a 31 year difference between the article written in 1970, when T.L. Wright Jr. was 58 years of age and the one written in 1929 when he was 17 years of age. Mr. Ross claims that the 1970 Doniphan Prospect News article is the "real" T.L. Wright Jr. article. Yet there is a third version of the T.L. Wright Jr. article that appeared in the Ripley County Library book, "Doniphan and Ripley County in the Civil War", there is no date on this piece, but it appears to be written around the same time period as the 1970 article. Like the 1970 article there is no mention of civilians killed or Colonel Righter. But there are areas in which the T.L. Wright Jr. article found in the book "Doniphan and Ripley County in the Civil War" differ from the version published in the Doniphan - Prospect news in 1970. Is it not legitimate as well?

It appears that in later years T.L. Wright Jr. decided to cite more official sources for his revised work, "Doniphan: No Man's Land in the Civil War" and his version of the Wilson Massacre seems to follow other versions in the "Doniphan and Ripley County in the Civil War" book found in the Ripley County Library. This does not make his original version any less valid. Remember the 1929 version quoted long time residents of Ripley County who lived in the area.

No one knows why T.L. Wright Jr chose not to include these sources in the two other versions of his paper in later years.

Mr. Burson's criticism seems to be centered around Colonel William H. Righter himself and whether or not he was a real Colonel. In a personal letter sent to me by Ray Burson entitled: "Jerry Ponder's Sources for the Wilson Massacre and other Tales" Burson writes:

"The tale: That William Harmon Righter was the founder and Colonel of the 15th Missouri Cavalry, CSA, captured at Pocahontas , AR with Gen. Jeff Thompson and then sat out the rest of the war in St. Louis. Righter is a prominent figure in Ponder's books on the 15th Missouri Cavalry, The Battle of Chalk Bluff and Maj. Gen. John S. Marmaduke.

Historians have not found any record of Righter's service in the CSA and there is not mention of it in his biographic sketches and three obituaries. He is not mentioned in the OR with the Capture of Thompson or elsewhere. He was merely a Southern sympathizer. Ponder got the VA {Veterans Administration} to provide a headstone which he had placed in the Doniphan City cemetery for Righter without providing Righter's service record" (9)

A “Post It” note was attached to the letter which reads:

"Mr. Lacy, Here's the real scope of Ponder's mischief. See IV- what does creating fake colonels add to the story of Southern valor during the Civil War? Regards, Ray Burson"

The fact that Burson has stated that no service record of Righter in the CSA has been found doesn't mean that Righter did not serve in some capacity. As stated at the beginning of this article, this was not uncommon, many men "took to the brush" and fought as informal companies of partisans. It is extremely doubtful that the Veterans Administration would have provide a headstone for Colonel Righter, free of charge, without some kind of documentation that Righter served in some capacity during the war.

In Jean Ponder's story "Doniphan During the Civil War", she states that:

"There is an amusing anecdote told about a group of southern sympathizers who lived in Doniphan. Living in the town at that time was a man by the name of W.H. Ryder, who claimed he was from Virginia. -- 'A gentleman from Virginia - drunk or sober.' One day all of these southern sympathizers were gathered in the town. Suddenly, without any warning, a division of the Union Army marched into town. Caught unprepared, the Southerns had to 'take to the bushes' for their lives. As Ryder was the fastest runner of them all and got to safety first, the rest of them immediately made him their colonel." (10)

If these men were ordinary citizens, then why were they afraid, why did they run? If they were nothing more than ordinary citizens, then why were they gathered in town? What was the intention of the gathering?

The fact that obituaries about Righter did not mention any military service is not proof positive that he did not fight. After all Colonel Timothy Reeves, after the war, was reluctant to discuss his war time experiences, stating that "he wished to be remembered as a good preacher, not a civil war hero", obituaries about him made no mention of his military experience. (11)

Jerry Ponder said in his research that Righter's commission came from Brigadier General M. Jeff Thompson. Ponder's critics state that Thompson made no record of this. Is it possible that this could have happened? It is entirely possible. In his book "This is the War Experiences of Brigadier General M. Jeff Thompson", Thompson himself writes that:

"About the 1st of July 1861, Cyrus Black and Miles Ponder of Ripley County, Missouri came down to Pocohontas {Arkansas} to inform me that the citizens of Ripley and Carter counties were meeting at Martins-burg to organize a Battalion and desired me to come up and take command" (12)

Thompson further states that he was elected to command the battalion and that Aden Lowe was not a candidate because of the strict discipline that he enforced before Thompson's arrival. One of Jeff Thompson's first acts as commander of the Ripley County Battalion, was to, start enlisting men as Partisan rangers. Thompson writes:

"I saw at this time the necessity of mounted troops even for my small command, and I authorized James F. White to raise as many men to act as Partizans and Flankers, as he could find with good horses: (13)

Sam Hildebrand, who later became known as a Missouri Bushwhacker, is another partisan that was given a commission by General M. Jeff Thompson. In his autobiography Hildebrand wrote:

"As soon as I could gain admission to the General’s headquarters I did so, and he received me very kindly. He listened very attentively to me as I proceeded to state my case to him - how my brother had been murdered, how I had barely escaped the same fate, and how I had finally been driven from the country.

General THOMPSON reflected a few moments, then seizing a pen he rapidly wrote off a few lines and handing it to me he said, “here, I give you a Major’s commission; go where you please, take what men you can pick up, fight on your own hook, and report to me every six months.” (14)

Even though Hildebrand received a Major's commission from Thompson, the act is not mentioned in "This is the War Experiences of Brigadier General M. Jeff Thompson". Nor is it mentioned in "General M. Jeff Thompson's Letter Book July 1861-June1862", written by Jim McGhee, therefore the fact that there is no record of Righter's commission, doesn't mean that he was not given one by Thompson.

Yet there is another possibility in this story. If there was a record of Colonel Righter's or Sam Hildebrand's commissions given by M. Jeff Thompson, the records might have very well been destroyed at the time of M. Jeff Thompson's capture in Pocahontas, Arkansas, on August 22, 1863. In the book, "This is the War Experiences of Brigadier General M. Jeff Thompson", Thompson writes:

"Kay spread out my maps to examine them and by -the -way I had the best set of maps that I saw during the war, for I had all kinds of military information on them, and the name and status of nearly every man in Southeast Missouri. I sat down in my shirt sleeves to copy some drawings, about 4 P.M. We heard horses running. I did not look up, but Kay did and shouted ; "By George, here's the Feds."  I sprang to my feet, and sure enough they were within forty yards, with a string of them as far as the eye could reach, all coming at full speed. I gasped as if my heart would jump out of my mouth, but instantly sat down again, and said:, Kay, burn those maps." (15)

The only flaw in the Linzy Dudley, T.L Wright Jr.'s 1929 document, and Ponder's writings that I could find is the fact that Righter was not captured directly with Thompson. Again quoting "This is the War Experiences of Brigadier General M. Jeff Thompson" Thompson writes of being brought to Doniphan, Missouri in route to Pilot Knob, Missouri that:

"There were only five military prisoners, being Kay, Train, McDonald, Miller and myself, but there were a large number of people , men and boys, brought into camp to prevent them from carrying the news". (16)

Righter could have very well have been in the latter group. Perhaps this is the reason that Lindzy Dudley told Charles Booker in 1918 that:

"Colonel Righter was captured with General Thompson" (17)

In the book "The Civil War in Ripley County, Missouri" it states that Colonel W.H. Righter following his capture was:

"…was taken to Gratiot Prison in St. Louis. There he agreed not to further take up arms and was paroled. He remained in St. Louis the remainder of the war, reading law. His wife, Anna Wright Righter, died there in February 1864. When the war ended, Colonel Righter returned to Ripley County and, in 1866, was elected as the state representative from Ripley County. Because of his Confederate service, the General Assembly refused to seat him and appointed a "stand -in" to represent the county...In 1867 Colonel Righter went to Mississippi and raised cotton, but he returned to Ripley County the same year and built the Bay City Mils on Current River" and that, "As soon as the Missouri constitution permitted former Confederates to practice law in the state Righter leased the mills and opened a law office in Doniphan. He was considered an excellent lawyer and had a large practice. He was elected prosecuting attorney for Ripley County in 1876" (18)

The Thursday Sept. 2d, 1909 issue of "Twice a Month Magazine" confirms that Righter:

"returned to St. Louis October 1863, planted cotton in Mississippi in 1866-67 and returned to Ripley County in 1868" (19)

"Twice a Month Magazine" also stated that :

"Colonel Righter is a typical Southern gentleman possessing nearly all their strongest characteristics. During the Reconstruction days of the late 60's and early 70's he had many "warm skirmishes" with the "carpet baggers" his county contained about 300 Democratic voters who were "slow to come under the ban". Leaving it in the hands of about 12 Republicans to handle its affairs". (20)

Righter was elected to the State Legislature in 1882, after Reconstruction, when former Confederates were once again allowed to hold office. (21)

Even without the discussion of what role Colonel William Harmon Righter played in the War Between the States, there is plenty of other evidence that proves the "Wilson Massacre" could have happened. Yankee atrocities happened throughout the Missouri Ozarks during the war and fighting between warring factions was both personal and brutal.

On a U.S. Forestry Service website entitled, "History of the Irish Wilderness", a detailed description of Union policy toward Missouri Southerners living in the Southeast Missouri Ozarks is given.

The website cites the War of the Rebellions: Official Records of the Union and Confederate Armies, one entry in particular shows proof that the women of the area were looked down upon and treated badly by the occupying Union soldiers. Captain Robert McElroy of the 3rd Missouri State Militia (Union) wrote that:

"I am of the opinion that the women in that region are even more daring and treacherous, and in fact, worse than the men, as we found in their possession a number of newly made rebel uniforms, etc. (22)

Jerry Ponder's critics cite eye-witness accounts of Union soldiers who were present at the Wilson Massacre and stated that all of the prisoners were well cared for. But reading through the U.S. Forestry Service's "The History of the Irish Wilderness", which cites the official records of the War of the Rebellions, one will find that anyone who was even "suspected" of being a "Bushwhacker" was taken prisoner. In Captain Boyd's (who was a Union Scout) report he states that:

"…found fresh trail of horses, followed them on Jack's Fork to the residence of Miles Stephens and brother, Jack Stephens, whom' I'm satisfied were Bushwhackers. Burned the house." (23)

Anyone "suspected" of harboring or aiding a Bushwhacker had their property burned, furthermore, in Captain John Boyd's report of the 6th Provisional Regiment EMM (Union)  one will find between November 4 - 9, 1863 ,there were over 23 houses burned  , and 10 men killed, by these Union troops, the majority of which were prisoners who "tried to escape" and were shot. (24)

All of this occurred little over a month before the "Wilson Massacre" and we are supposed to believe that the Union militia treated Reeves men and local civilians any better on December 25, 1863?

There are other pieces of evidence that suggest that the "Wilson Massacre" did happen. At the Stoddard County Civil War Cemetery in Bloomfield, Missouri, there are monuments erected in honor of Southern soldiers and civilians who were killed during the War Between the States. The monuments are unique due to the fact that they have detailed information about the individual on the front of the monument, name, rank unit, etc. and on the back of the monument a detailed description of where and how the individual died.

One states on the front of the monument: "PVT., Thomas McKinney, Co. A, 15th Mo. Reg. Cav. CSA. July 16, 1845 - Dec. 25, 1863." The back of the monument reads: "Killed in Action, Ripley County, Mo".

Another monument is more specific. The front reads: "In memory of, PVT. , Jacob Foster, Co. A, 15th Mo. Cav. , April 18, 1830- December 25, 1863."

The back of the monument reads: "Died of Wounds, Received At, Christmas Dinner, Doniphan Mo., "Wilson Massacre" (25)

If one looks at the events following the "Wilson Massacre" a clear picture begins to develop that something "very significant" happened on December 25, 1863 in Ripley County, Missouri. An event so drastic, that the effects of it would be felt throughout the rest of the War Between the States in Missouri, and even after the war had ended.

First of all something must have been weighing very heavily upon Major Wilson's mind for in March of 1864 he told his nephew, while he was on furlough:

"If you ever hear of me being taken prisoner by the guerilla Tim Reeves you may count me as dead. I know I shall never get away from him alive.  I have broken up his recruiting operations three times." (26)

Was Wilson worried about his life because he had broken up Reeves' recruiting operations? Or did he fear retribution for something much worse, that he did not want his family to know about?

One must not discount the fact that that during the General Sterling Price's Missouri Expedition of 1864, at the Battle of Pilot Knob, Missouri:

"Maj. James Wilson, Third Cavalry Missouri State Militia, after being wounded was captured on Pilot Knob, and subsequently with six of his gallant men was brutally murdered by order of a rebel field officer of the day." (27)

In an article entitled: "No Heroes On Either Side" written by Ponder critic Ray Burson and published in the Prospect-News (Doniphan Missouri's local newspaper) and dated Wednesday, July 16,2003, another Ponder critic Kirby Ross attributes Major Wilson's death to the burning of Doniphan, Missouri.

"Ross, whose article on the burning of Doniphan will be in an upcoming issue of North - South magazine, linked Wilson's death to the destruction of Doniphan "which had taken place earlier, two weeks to the day." (28)

However, in the "Report of Confederate General J.O. Shelby C. S. Army, Commanding Division. AUGUST 29-DECEMBER 2, 1864. Price's Missouri Expedition."

It appears that General Shelby administered justice to the perpetrators who were responsible for the of burning Doniphan, almost as quickly as the act was committed. Shelby wrote that:

"On the 12th of September I moved camp from Sulphur Rock, Ark., toward Pocahontas in anticipation of the arrival of the army, and on the 19th, after having received my instructions, started for Missouri, and encamped in Doniphan. Before arriving there, however, couriers from Lieutenant-Colonel Johnson, of Marmaduke's command, brought information that 100 Federals were in the town and pressing him back. I immediately started forward sufficient re-enforcements, but the enemy fled before reaching them, burning the helpless and ill-fated town. That night I dispatched 150 men under Lieutenant-Colonel Johnson to pursue the vandals. They came upon them early the next morning [20th], attacked, scattered, and killed many of them. I pushed on then rapidly for Patterson, destroying on the way the bloody rendezvous of the notorious Leeper, and on the morning of the 22d I surrounded and charged in upon the town. Its garrison, hearing of my advance, retreated hastily, but not before many were captured and killed, and some supplies taken. All the Government portion of Patterson was destroyed, together with its strong and ugly fort." (29)

Confederate General M. Jeff Thompson offered another reason for the execution of Major James Wilson. As mentioned earlier in this article, Thompson was in a Union prison at the time of the "Wilson Massacre", but he was exchanged in time to make his way back to Missouri to join Confederate General Sterling Price's 1864 Missouri Expedition.

In May of 1865 Thompson surrendered 10,000 men at Jacksonport, Arkansas. Out of those 10,000 men, only one was not paroled. Confederate Colonel, Timothy Reeves, Commander of the 15th Missouri Cavalry, CSA. Thompson wrote that:

" In a few days we finished all the paroles, except that of Timothy C. Reeves, whom Col. Davis would not agree to parole , considering him outlawed for the shooting of Major Williams { Major Wilson, this was a misprint} and five men on the Price Raid; but I must state for Col. Reeves, that he was as good a man and soldier as any in the command , and his shooting of that party was entirely justifiable; only that it should have been by such an order and form that retaliation would have been avoided.

I solicited to have this party turned over to me, that I might have them shot in due form, and Reeves men refrained from killing them for three days in hopes that I would get them; but responsibilities of this kind were not to our commanders liking, and they were turned over to Reeves to guard, with a pretty full knowledge that they would be shot.

I knew Reeves men, nearly everyone of them, and the provocation was bitter, for I had seen the blackened ruins and lonely graves in Ripley county with my own eyes." (30)

Is it possible that Jerry Ponder made some mistakes in his research? Yes. Everyone makes mistakes. But Jerry Ponder was a retired military intelligence officer, and far from inept.

Is it possible that his two greatest critics Ray Burson and Kirby Ross are biased in their research?

In an online webpage entitled, "The Military Record of Major James Wilson", author Willard S. Bacon writes that:

"Mr. Kirby Ross who had many relatives who served in the 3rd MSM, provided immeasurable help, in finding obscure sources and documents, from many repositories." (31)

(Major Wilson, was the commander of the 3rd Missouri State Militia, which attacked Pulliam's Farm on December 25, 1863)

Friends of Jerry Ponder have also told me that Ray Burson, was not originally from Ripley County, Missouri, but from a Northern state, and that it is rumored  his wife is a descendant of one of the 14 families in Ripley, County Missouri that were pro-Union during the war. I have attempted to contact Burson in the hopes that he could shed some light on this subject. But as of yet he has not provided any answers to this question.

Perhaps Jerry Ponder said it best when he said that:

"Some questions will probably never be satisfactorily explained" (32)

Sources:

“Between Missourians: Ripley County in the Civil War”, Ponder, Ozark Watch Magazine , Vol. IV, No. 4, Spring 1991 a.Linzy Dudley: The Time of the War pgs. 1,15 1918

"Doniphan: No Man's Land During the Civil War" T.L. Wright Jr. ,1929, Doniphan High School

Article entitled “First Settlers of Ripley County” found in the book “History and Families of Ripley County Missouri”, Ripley County Historical Society

Kirby Ross post made August 14th ,2005 on the Missouri in the Civil War message board.

Ibid.

posted by Kirby Ross on Wednesday August 31'st, 2005, Missouri in the Civil War message board.

M. Jeff Thompson“This is the Story of the War Experiences of Brig. General M. Jeff Thompson”, pg.103, Kent Library, Southeast Missouri State University

posted by Kirby Ross on Wednesday August 31'st, 2005, Missouri in the Civil War message board.

Personal correspondence from Ray Burson, Ripley County Historical Society entitled, “Jerry Ponder’s Sources for the Wilson Massacre And Other Tales”

Doniphan and Ripley County in the Civil War, Ripley County Library, Doniphan, Missouri

“War Hero Timothy Reeves wanted to be remembered as ‘good preecher’,Daily American Republic Newspaper

“This is the War Experiences of Brig. General M. Jeff Thompson”, M. Jeff Thompson, Kent Library, Southeast Missouri State University, pgs. 21-22

Ibid

“The Legend of St. Francois County: Sam Hildebrand’s Confession”, Chapter 6, Reprinted from the County Advertiser by Farmington News Printing Company September 26, 1979

“This is the War Experiences of Brigadier General M. Jeff Thompson”, Thompson, Kent Library, Southeast Missouri State University, pg.103

“This is the War Experiences of Brigadier General M. Jeff Thompson”, Thompson, Kent Library, Southeast Missouri State University, pg.104

“The Time of the War” by: Linzy Dudley as told to Charles Booker, 1918, pgs. 1,15 (document sent to me by Jerry Ponder shortly before his death)

“The Civil War in Ripley County Missouri”, The Prospect News, pgs.27-28

“Twice a Month” magazine, Sept. 2’cd,1909 pgs. 27-28

Ibid.

Missouri State Legislators 1820-2000, information obtained from the Missouri Secretary of State office.

Information obtained from the U.S. Forestry Service Website entitled, “The History of the Irish Wilderness” found at the following internet web address in pdf format: Irish Wilderness Country.pdf also found in the War of the Rebellions, Official Records, Volumes XXII, Part 1. Page 744

Information obtained from the U.S. Forestry Service Website entitled, “The History of the Irish Wilderness” found at the following internet web address in pdf format: Irish Wilderness Country.pdf also found in the War of the Rebellions, Official Records, Volumes XXII, Part 1. Pages 746-747

Ibid.

Research conducted by author at the Stoddard County Civil War Cemetery, Bloomfield, Missouri

“The Military Record of Major James Wilson”, compiled Willard S. Bacon, and found at the following internet web address: http://www.rootsweb.com/~molincol/misc/ms-military-record-wilson.htm and from Dr. Joseph Mudd’s notes for the publication, “The History of Lincoln County”, Powell Memorial Library, Troy , Mo.

“Report of Brig. Gen. Thomas Ewing, jr., U. S. Army, Commanding District of Saint Louis. AUGUST 29-DECEMBER 2, 1864 Price's Missouri Expedition.”, Official Records, War of the Rebellions.

“No Heroes On Either Side”, Ray Burson, The Prospect – News, Doniphan, Missouri, Wednesday, July 16, 2003

Report of Brig. Gen. Joseph O. Shelby, C. S. Army, Commanding Division. AUGUST 29-DECEMBER 2, 1864. Price's Missouri Expedition.

“This is the War Experiences of Brigadier General M. Jeff Thompson”, M. Jeff Thompson, Kent State Library, Southeast Missouri State University, Pg. 155

“The Military Record of Major James Wilson”, compiled Willard S. Bacon, and found at the following internet web address: http://www.rootsweb.com/~molincol/misc/ms-military-record-wilson.htm

The Ponder-Bradbury-Flanders Correspondence, Ozark Watch Magazine, Vol. IV, No. 4, Spring 1991/Vol. V, No.1, Summer 1991, Pg. 4.

For more information about the basis for Reconstruction and the continued reign of terror in Missouri see: Iron Clad Oath --> Missouribushwhacker 21:24, 9 July 2007 (UTC)


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Death Do Us Part
Formed Early September 2006 with members from the recently departed 'Suffice', 'Remainder 6' and 'Bemyhero', DEATH DO US PART became. They play a new refreshing style of Grindcore mixed with a Metal twist of deep, throaty screams and high guitar solo's, with an age averaging of just 16, this band mean business! Playing venues around the country, noteably the High Wycombe Swan in November at an open festival with many high rated bands, this band is one to look out for in the future!

The band consists of:

William Jones - Vocals

Mike Rozario - Guitar

Joe Puttick - Bass

Scott Lones - Drums —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ddupuk (talk • contribs) 21:25, 9 July 2007


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What kind of stories people want to hear.
I am a writer, currently working on three works, but I'm always baffled on the question of: What do people want to hear about? So, I extend the question to you. What do you want to hear about? Drop a line here and let me, the other readers, and Wikipedia know what you wnat to hear about. Cw01cb 00:29, 10 July 2007 (UTC)


 * That's an excellent question! Places to visit to find topics of articles that people would like to see written for Wikipedia include Requested articles, Articles for creation, and Most wanted articles. Thanks again for the question and happy editing! &mdash;Elipongo (Talk contribs) 17:58, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

hemimetabolus
i need help to start an article on hemimetabolus. please start the article if you have the knowledge or time —Preceding unsigned comment added by 220.233.80.98 (talk • contribs) 07:53, 10 July 2007


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delvostron in a very old dog
We have a 15 yr old Irish Settter, usual life expectancy around 13. She has recently had a tripple mastecromy from which she recovered incredibly well. She has recently come into an over lengthly season and is attracting the unwanted attentions of many a male admirer (she has had this problem throughout her life.) After around a month of this we approached our very youthful vet who said that the only answer is a mastectomy. Although I realise that its largely frowned upon now, she has been administered delvosteron previously by an older and now retired vet with great success in the past. The dog is incredibly youthful and suffers no other medical problems. Subjecting her to further surgery seems necessary in one so old and who is unlikely to live for much longer. The problem is one of ethics any suggestions? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.13.216.219 (talk • contribs) 16:13, 10 July 2007


 * Hello, and thanks for your post. The Drawing Board is to help people create new articles on the encyclopedia. You might want to try asking your question at the Reference desk, keeping in mind that Wikipedia doesn't guarantee medical advice. Hope this helps some and good luck with your dog. &mdash;Elipongo (Talk contribs) 18:12, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

WHO WAS JAMES EDWARD COWAN?
Who Was James Edward Cowan? Sunday, June 03, 2007 WHO WAS JAMES EDWARD COWAN? Who Was James Edward Cowan? Monday, February 20, 2006

Biographical Sketch: James Edward Cowan 33rd Degree Mason and Founder and State Deputy of the Ancient Free and Accepted Scottish Rites Masons of the Central Jurisdiction1892-1962

James Edward Cowan was a great man and this is a fact. Although he was not wealthy, the things that he accomplished are noteworthy. He established a help system for widows and children, the Ancient Accepted Scottish Rites Masons of the Central Jurisdiction for coloreds (blacks). Assistance to widows and children is a mission statement of the Ancient Free and Accepted Scottish Rites Masons of the Central Jurisdiction. This was during the time of racial segregation. (this is why I use the term "coloreds" rather than blacks, because this is what black people were called during racial segregation)

I tried to do research on James Edward Cowan, and was partially successful only. Good written records were not a forte of Scottish Rites Masons of the Central Jurisdiction. In the 1980s a fire at the home of W.W. Hoover destroyed all records of the Ancient Accepted Scottish Rites Masons of the Central Jurisdiction, according to ILL. Louis Christian, 33 Lieutenant Sovereign Grand Commander 904 Burton Carpenter Road Mt Gilead, N. C. 27306

The information that I received was mostly by "word of mouth" from his two eldest daughters Catherine Cowan Ross and Thelma Cowan Teamer. Later, in his life, Lillian Cowan Pulliam, youngest daughter of James Edward Cowan, did some secretarial work for him at some meetings, but she does not talk about this, because the masons are a clandestine (secretive) organization.Also, Lillian Cowan Pulliam joined the Eastern Stars, which is the female companion of the all male masons. She attended some conventions. Her mother, Sadie Carr Cowan wife of James Edward Cowan, was a member of the Eastern Stars for years.

It is believed that the Guy Lofton's (deceased) family had some information on the masons. However, when I interviewd Mrs. Lofton, she was uncooperative. Nate Brown, Guy Lofton,Sr. and Charles Willett were other men instrumental in the Scottish Rites Masons. Guy Lofton, Sr. was the secretary of the Salisbury, N. C. Eureka Lodge Number 45 of the Rising Sun Grand Council of the Carolinas, which is now named the King Solomon Lodge. The former Grand Master is 81 y/o Robert Chambers. Robert Chambers is a life long family friend of the Cowan family and can verify the information contained herein.

James Edward Cowan was mentored by a white man by the name of J'Menjula in his founding and organizing activities. James Edward Cowan met J'Menjula in Washington, D.C. when they both worked on the construction of the "famous 14th street bridge."

James Edward Cowan traveled up and down the East Coast on trains by using Masonic Distress Signals to stop the trains and riding the trains to his destinations. The engineers on the trains were white, who were white Scottish Rites masons who recognized the secret Masonic Distress Signals. Below is specific info on James Edward Cowan:

1.) Elder & Superintendent of Sunday School of the Church Street Presbyterian Church for over 30 years.

2.) Co-Founded the Ancient Free and Accepted Scottish Rites Masons of the Central Jurisdiction for colored (blacks) in the states of North, South Carolina, and Virginia in the 1930s.

3. He was the State Deputy of the Scottish Rites Masons of the Central Jurisdiction for coloreds (which is the highest ranking member at lodge meetings in the states of North Carolina, South Carolina and Virginia for 30 years), until his death. He established lodges in North Carolina, South Carolina, Virginia. The James E. Cowans Grand Council of Deliberations State of Virginia is named after him.

4.) He was married to Sadie Carr Cowan and the father of 11 children.

Robert Edward. Fisher, MSW, Eldest Grandchild of James Edward Cowan posted by Robert E. Fisher,MSW at 5:06 AM Bigfish2003 21:54, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

Bigfish2003 20:00, 10 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Hello and thank you for your post, Mr. Cowan sounds like an interesting person. For inclusion in the encyclopedia, a person's biography has to meet the relevant notability criteria, basically that the person's been the subject of non-trivial mention in multiple, non-primary reliable sources that can be cited so as to verify the information in the article. In this instance, if Mr. Cowan founded that branch of the Masons, then there should be some documentation of that somewhere. Hope this helps some, stop back if you have any more questions. Happy editing! &mdash;Elipongo (Talk contribs) 19:14, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

wajahat kayani sukho
wajahat kayani sukho —Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.101.191.189 (talk • contribs) 20:41, 11 July 2007


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Family And Friends TV Show Wikipedia
—Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.113.111.117 (talk • contribs) 21:47, 11 July 2007


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Creating an article on Encyclopedia Dramatica
I think a article of it should be created because people should know about it. It's a clone of this site with a similar interface, but it's quality is very poor, it criticizes everything, so either it should be noted due to it's status as a rather poor clone, and a bad site altogether, so with that said and done, I rest my case. Lesser Shadow 22:17, 11 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Hi there and thanks for your post! I just did a bit of searching and it seems that this article has been created and deleted several times and that several variations of the article's name have been salted to prevent recreation. There was even an Arbitration Committee resolution that placed the very URL of that site on the blacklist to prevent it being linked to from Wikipedia. Essentially the reason given for its deletions was its failure to meet the relevant notability criteria in that it didn't have multiple, non-trivial mentions in secondary reliable sources that could be cited in the article to verify the information. If you have references that would indicate that this subject now passes the notability guidelines, you may bring the case to Deletion review. Thanks again for your post, I actually never heard of this site or controversy before now. &mdash;Elipongo (Talk contribs) 22:59, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

Well, the fact that it's been created and deleted several times is helpful, and I have a problem with how it bashes everything and supplies very little information in the long run. I take it's claim very seriously and that makes up the majority of the problem. Lesser Shadow 01:19, 12 July 2007 (UTC)


 * I'm not sure what you're saying. Is it that you think we should bend the notability guidelines so that we can rebut what Encyclopedia Dramatica has to say about Wikipedia? Although I understand and sympathize with your concerns, my guess would be that argument wouldn't get very far at deletion review. They're going to want to have proof that the subject meets the notability guidelines now. Good luck and happy editing! &mdash;Elipongo (Talk contribs) 05:18, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

Break dancer knock out young child while dancing in Time square
Apparently on May 13 2007 a young child was knocked out due to break dancing. The incident took place in New York Time square. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Scarletrose26 (talk • contribs) 04:51, 12 July 2007


 * Hello and thanks for your post! Unless this incident involved a notable person, I think the event is too transient for inclusion as an independent article in the encyclopedia. You might be able to add the information to the relevant section of the Breakdance article so long as you provide a citation from a reliable source to verify the information. Thanks again for your post and happy editing! &mdash;Elipongo (Talk contribs) 05:32, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

Nexus Hawk
—Preceding unsigned comment added by Riccibobi (talk • contribs) 05:52, 12 July 2007


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Japanese Light Cruiser Kitakami
—Preceding unsigned comment added by ZDR-8736249 (talk • contribs) 06:15, 12 July 2007


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Tosa
—Preceding unsigned comment added by ZDR-8736249 (talk • contribs) 07:52, 12 July 2007


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I have provided information, somewhere, on the Japanese Battleship Tosa, but i would like it to be included into the Page listed as the List of ships of the Imperial Japanese Navy so that people searching for information on the Tosa can find out about the limited history of the Battleship Tosa of the Tosa Class (not Kaga Class by the way . . .)

ZDR-8736249 20:00, 12 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Hello, you may not have done so intentionally, but your last edit removed material from this page. Please be careful.


 * I believe you are referring to this article Japanese battleship Tosa. It seems to already be listed at two Japanese naval lists, per its what links here page. You should feel free to add or correct its entry into these or other lists, so long as the changes are compatible with the lists' criteria. Thanks for writing again! &mdash;Elipongo (Talk contribs) 20:11, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

PETAL VEIL
—Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.140.7.163 (talk • contribs) 15:36, 13 July 2007


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colombo crime family
Josh Da Goodfella, New Colombo Mafia Member

Hi There!!

Theres been a lot of news about the new capo for the colombo crime family, i wanted to get some info for a school project, the only place i can find information is at officialmafia.com and i don't really want to be browsing that site,

Would it be possible for you to create a page about him on here? so i don't have to use their site

Thanks :)

172.141.220.230 11:50, 14 July 2007 (UTC)


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Strings Sieben
<!-- Strings Sieben (Born Orlando Valdez on August 13, 1990)is a modern day Illusionist, Hypnotist, Musician, and Contractor.

Biography
Sieben Was Born On August 13, and Raised In Corpus Christi, Texas. Sieben Grew Up learning all there is to know about Construction of Buildings and Items since he was 5. At the age of 8 His father (Victor Valdez) got the interest of Magic In him when He Bought Him two decks of cards and a book that Came with tricks. But Growing up, the Magic Dream slowly faded away, and He Became More Musical, Playing Violin for three Years as best in his class, and Taking on Guitar his High School Years. As a Junior, Sieben Decided To Change his Name to Strings Sieben from Orlando Valdez. At the Same area of time, He Met a Senior who Performed Magic as Well, and Strings Became Interested all over again and started pushing forward to be greater as a magician while still maintaining his musical Interest. Strings influences for magic was Harry Houdini, Criss Angel, David Blaine, Jay Noblezda. His influences for Music Was System of a Down and Rammstein. At the age of four, going on 5, Sieben was in Mexico visiting Family, when on one of the days, he was on the second floor alone arranging a mattress and he rolled off of it from the second floor straight down to the first floor landing directly on his head. The Doctors said he was to be a vegetable and die, but his family didn't give up hope on him, and his recovery was impossible the doctors said. People blame his awkward behavior on this event.

Magic Career
Strings Magic Career Was said to be inevitable after it became apparent that he showed such a passion for magic. When He was a kid he used to wear shirts of the Basketball Team, "Orlando Magic," and he wore them a lot. His parents believed that it was called into his life, being his name Was Orlando, and now does magic. Few people believe Sieben truly does have some mystical powers. Several Incidents that people have witness were his accurate vision of winning lottery numbers that he wrote on a paper but told no one until after they realized those numbers were that of the Lotto. And when he was in church one day and had the strong wanting to go outside and scare the congregation by flipping off the electricity, but before he could actually get the boldness to do it, he stood up and became light headed and the electricity went out and flashed back on. Furthermore There were people who refuse to believe in Strings and the things he does and constantly try to interfere with his acts of magic, while others watch really interested and support him. His latest Performance of soon to come on the year 2007-2008, Sieben has been contemplating of Incorporating Vanishing people and levitating people in his school, Mary Carroll High School. In summer of 2007, Strings Went to Mexico, Performing on the streets many theatrical performances for the locals.

Music Career
Siebens Music Career Began in the fifth Grade in Zavala Elementary when He was offered to play a violin with the school, Strings Loved the instrument so much that he took Orchestra in middle school in the 6th Grade and 8th Grade, being best in his class. In 9th Grade, Strings Went to Miller High School fearing he need to pursue something more suitable for a career and didn't study music. But an unforeseen event came upon him that he had to move houses and change schools. 10th Grade He Was transfered to Mary Carrol High School where he took Guitar. He didn't feel he was learning enough in the class and had to find a method to learn better, because before his transfer of schools, his dear friend David Stevens Was teaching Sieben to play guitar. So Strings in 11th Grade made a band Named "Blood of the Righteous," which is A Christian Band that plays all styles of music, that praise God and motivate World Peace. Sieben became insanely interested in Music, that he started buying instruments of different sorts to learn, so he could incorporate the sounds in the music they played. --> —Preceding unsigned comment added by StringsSieben (talk • contribs) 20:19, 15 July 2007
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Automatic Loveletter
Acoustic/Rock/Emo band from Clearwater, FL signed to Epic records.

Band members:

Juliet Simms - Guitar/Vox/Arrangements

John Yates- Key Board/ backing vocals

Tim Burkey- Lead Guitar/ backing vocals

Sean Noll- Bass Guitar

Daniel Currier - Drums

Band Website	www.automaticloveletter.com www.myspace.com/automaticloveletter —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.96.78.159 (talk • contribs) 20:29, 15 July 2007


 * Hello and thanks for your post! This does sound like a very interesting band. Before you go ahead and create an article you should know that for for inclusion in the encyclopedia a subject has to meet the relevent notability guideline. In general a subject has to have been non-trivially mentioned in multiple, secondary reliable sources that can be cited in an article so that the information can be verified. There are additional criteria for musical groups, so read the notability guideline I linked to near the begining of my note. Thanks again for your post and happy editing! &mdash;Elipongo (Talk contribs) 21:26, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

Mount Hope Cemetery in Bangor, Maine
I was looking up Rural Cemeteries, and I realized this one was not listed even though it is recognized as America's second garden cemetery. Many of the others have pages, but not this one. I was hoping someone might want to do an article on it; I was going to try but I have never done one before, only edited and added to a couple. I did add it to the rural cemetery listing, though. Thanks! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ravenstar (talk • contribs) 17:52, 16 July 2007


 * Hello and thanks for your post! I can understand that you're a little gunshy about starting articles because of your previous experiences, but don't let that deter you! If the subject meets the relevent notability criteria in that it has gotten multiple non-trivial mentions in secondary reliable sources that can be cited in the article to verify the information, then go ahead and start the article! I have disambiguated the link you added to the Rural cemetery article (it was pointing to a cemetery in New York somewhere), so you can just click on that link and start the article if you already have your references lined up.


 * As an alternative to starting the article in Mainspace, you can create it on a subpage of your userpage. That way you can develop it until it's ready for primetime without having to worry about being deleted. When it's ready, you can use the "move" function to place it complete in the mainspace along with it's development history.


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Rissi Palmer
Y'all need to make a Wikipedia page for Country SInger Rissi Palmer. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.63.168.218 (talk • contribs) 15:47, 18 July 2007


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 * About Rissi Palmer specifically, I note that an article about her has already been deleted as having not asserted her notability. For a subject to be included in the encyclopedia, it has to meet the relevant notability criteria. Basically a subject has to have been non-trivially mentioned in multiple secondary reliable sources that can then be cited in the article to verify the information. There are some extra ways musicians can establish notability, so read through the guideline I linked to above. Good luck and happy editing. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Elipongo (talk • contribs) 16:33, 18 July 2007

Article Creation: Bureau 39
was mentioned by the most current issue of TIME magazine

bureau 39 is the building which houses the secret businesses of North Korea

responsible for: counterfeit US currency opium/heroin processing for drug traffiking housing top North Korean officials other illicit activities

reported to bring in 1 billion in revenue for North Korean government.

article link here:

http://wpherald.com/articles/5389/1/Time-magazine-NKorea-operates-global-crime-network/Revenue-of-1-billion-annually.html

—Preceding unsigned comment added by Xitro (talk • contribs) 05:44, 18 July 2007


 * Hello, and thank you for your post! This is a very enlightening and interesting subject indeed. There isn't a lot of information about it at the source you listed though. Unless you have more references to flesh out more information, I think this would be better suited as an addition to the Foreign relations of North Korea article, rather than as an article of it's own just yet. If it develops enough as a part of that article then it could be split off into it's own article later. Looking forward to reading when you write it! Cheers! &mdash;Elipongo (Talk contribs) 16:00, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

IX Mendoza
I met this guy last weekend. His name is IX Mendoza (first name he said like the number 9). Anyway, he's really fascinating and I can't believe there isn't anything on him besides some bit on IMDB. He's an independent writer and director right now, but has been part of the underground Punk scene for decades. I've seen him a few times but never had the opportunity to talk before. How do we research and or interview him for Wiki? He has an album on interpunk.com called Revolution Forever, a film called (I think) A Moment In Ruby, and the one listed on IMDB (which credits him as Nijhel Mendoza) called, Hack. Where do we go from there...I'm new to this process. THanks, Ken Moses —Preceding unsigned comment added by Muaddib9 (talk • contribs) 19:35, 18 July 2007


 * Hello and thanks for your post! Mr Mendoza does indeed sound like an interesting person, if for no other reason than for his imaginative use of Roman numerals. :-)


 * Before you start the article, you should make sure the subject meets the relevant notability criteria for inclusion in the encyclopedia. In general a subject has to have been non-trivially mentioned in multiple secondary reliable sources that can then be cited in the article to verify the information. The no original research policy wouldn't allow any of us to directly interview a subject. The notability guideline I linked to above does give some extra criteria that can be used for entertainers, so be sure to read it. Thanks again for writing, and happy editing! &mdash;Elipongo (Talk contribs) 20:03, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

Tesco HSC
—Preceding unsigned comment added by Amitmits84 (talk • contribs) 06:55, 20 July 2007


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 * Hello. I'm sorry but I had to erase your post. It had a copyright notice included in it that is incompatible with Wikipedia's free licensing.


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the kids of today are the leaders of tomorow
—Preceding unsigned comment added by Lara odoffin (talk • contribs) 12:27, 20 July 2007


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A list of every actor who has played Alan in Equus
I would like to see a list of every actor who has played the role of Alan in a stage production of Equus. I would also like it to state whether the actor had to perform naked since not all of them do. Other options might be the age they were when they played the part. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.225.9.39 (talk • contribs) 20:46, 22 July 2007


 * Hi there and thanks for your post! I would assume that you mean to only include productions of Equus (play) by major companies? Including every small village or town that has staged a production of the show would make for a very long list indeed. If only including major productions, you might rather include the information in the "Original productions" and "Revivals" sections of the main article. Thanks again for your question and happy editing! &mdash;Elipongo (Talk contribs) 13:51, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

I have already come up with a list of about 75 names covering worldwide and even college productions after extensive research. I just don't have the knack of actually creating it as specified. I know there might be even more, and as I said they didn't all have to perform in the buff, but my curiosity is there.Goofyjim 01:26, 24 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Hi again. I'm assuming that you're the same editor as before— congratulations on setting up your new account! Typically, the entries in a list article should either already have or be likely to have an article on Wikipedia at some point. I realize you've put a lot of research into this, but how many of the actors that you've come up with meet our guidelines on notability of persons? Of course the theatre is hardly my area of expertise and I may be dead wrong in my opinion. You may want to run your idea by the members of WikiProject Theatre and see what they think. Hoping this helps. Cheers! &mdash;Elipongo (Talk contribs) 05:17, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

African American Business
I would like to start a wiki about African American Business and the lack of it in the current state of affairs in the United States —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.45.233.147 (talk • contribs) 16:47, 23 July 2007


 * Hi and thanks for your post! I assume that you mean that you want to start an article about African-American businesses here on Wikipedia. If I'm wrong and you actually want to set up an independent wiki site, there are several wiki farms that will host it. To be able to start a new article, you'd first have to register for a username since you're editing from an IP address right now. You might also consider adding content to the African American contemporary issues article rather than starting a new article to start off with. Either way, when you add the material to Wikipedia, make sure that you provide citations from reliable sources so that the information you provide can be verified. Thanks again for writing. Happy editing!&mdash;Elipongo (Talk contribs) 17:25, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

OBW, Our Better Wrestling
OBW Is A Wrestling Company. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Wweonline (talk • contribs) 18:20, 23 July 2007


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Charlottetown Rural
I want to make a page for my high school. A lot of schools have a page and my school deserves one too. I tried to make one but I don't know what to do. The page is there but I watn to put info on it and make it look good. Is anyone willing to help. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Crhsraider (talk • contribs) 01:47, 24 July 2007


 * Hi there and thanks for your post! The Drawing board is for discussion before people create an article, since you've already created the Charlottetown Rural High School article the correct forum for feedback would be the Requests for feedback page. I will say that I think you've made a nice start of it. You should wikify it some and you should include some citations to reliable sources. I will also point out that there is a long running debate about high schools and whether or not they're inherently notable; depending on which way the debate is running, school articles that don't assert their subjects' notability sometimes wind up getting deleted from the encyclopedia. To avoid all that you should provide citations and text to show how your school meets the relevant notability criteria. Hope this helps you some. Happy editing! &mdash;Elipongo (Talk contribs) 04:58, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

who afganistan include as a member of saarc
124.108.19.6 05:03, 24 July 2007 (UTC)


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The Furious Horde
—Preceding unsigned comment added by Ruptured souls (talk • contribs) 19:34, 24 July 2007


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Bus Ducts
I am searching for some information (technical and general) about 'BUS DUCTS'. These Bus ducts are electrical products usually used in connecting floors in a tower or a high rise building.

Any one can help me.....

SKDKAK —Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.130.100.226 (talk • contribs) 08:53, 25 July 2007


 * You might find what you are looking for in the article about Electrical wiring. If you cannot find the answer there, click here to post your question at that article's talk page. If that doesn't solve your problem, you can try asking your question at Wikipedia's Reference Desk. They'll be glad to answer questions about anything in the universe (except discussions about creating new articles, which is what this help desk is for). I hope this helps. &mdash;Elipongo (Talk contribs) 21:47, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

NeilSoft
<!--  A Specialist Engineering & Technology Services Company.

Neilsoft is a specialist engineering & technology services company focused on enhancing our client's product / project engineering efficiency. Leveraging technology, domain knowledge, & our robust work planning methodology to ensure an effective global delivery model while outsourcing of engineering services, we have emerged as a partner of choice for leading international companies. Our engineering teams seamlessly integrate into our client's in-house engineering / product development team & environment to help improve their productivity, resource management and competitiveness.

With our strong engineering background, expertise & understanding of the engineering product / project lifecycle in our focus verticals, robust quality processes and core competencies in CAD/CAM/CAE, 'Design Automation' application development, Neilsoft has emerged as one of the fastest growing engineering services companies from India. For the second consecutive year the company has been recognized as one of the fastest growing companies in the "Deloitte Technology Fast 50 India" program.

Our consistent attention to the key deliverables of client satisfaction, timeliness, accuracy and a clear perspective of nurturing long-term relationships have ensured that we have satisfied clients across the globe. What differentiates us from other engineering services providers are our high integrity levels, culture and dedication to use all necessary resources to meet our commitments.

Neilsoft hires the best engineering talent in the country. Our engineering talent pool has a good combination of engineers with significant experience in multiple domains, tools / platforms, and project management methodologies, and well experienced in working on international client projects. Neilsoft is a virtual extension of your engineering enterprise. We establish engineering resource centers (virtual captives) as per client specifications & size requirements.

All the Neilsoft facilities are equipped with world-class communication, collaboration, and engineering infrastructure with 24-hour security & access control. They are fully equipped to handle critical factors like: ·	Data security & confidentiality / IP protection ·	Reliability and availability of IT infrastructure to support the huge data transfer needs ·	Communications & collaboration ·	Security processes & procedures ·	Back-up facilities for power, internet access, data, etc.

Verticals §	Building Systems. Design and Detailed Engineering services: Structural Engineering (Precast | RCC/Rebar | Structural steel) | MEP Engineering | Architectural §	Industrial Machinery. Design and Detailed Engineering services for custom machinery & industrial equipments: Design Modeling | Design Validation | Design Automation §	Automotive. Design and Detailed Engineering services across the entire vehicle development programme: Design Modeling | Design Validation | Design Automation §	Software. Product development life-cycle support including software development, software testing & localization engineering for software product companies in the engineering & technology space.

§	Industrial Projects. Detailed Engineering services: Structural | Piping | Electrical | HVAC | I&C | Fire protection | Plumbing §	Marine. Custom Engineering Application Development and Engineering support services for ship design & marine equipment segments.

Offerings Design & Detailed Engineering: Neilsoft's design modeling and detailed engineering offerings include concept layout design, 2D to 3D conversion, aggregate packing studies, tool engineering, standardization of designs, engineering change note notification, design engineering, erection drawings, connection detailing, reinforcing details & Bill of Materials and shop/fabrication detailed engineering.

Engineering Analysis: Our engineering analysis services address various issues related to product design, development and manufacturing. Our expertise lies in providing FE modeling, and structural / vibration / static / modal / crash analysis. Other niche services include simulation, NVH, CFD solutions, durability studies, die-casting design, design calculations for impact analysis, and linkage analysis on multiple CAD / CAM / CAE platforms.

Software Development & Testing: We assist in the software product life-cycle development by providing software development, software testing & localization services to Independant Software Vendors (ISVs) producing CAD / CAM / CAE / PLM / Storage products. We provide third-party testing services to software product companies. Our capabilities for software testing include build engineering, test automation & manual testing for graphical user-interfaces, functionality, help, installation, regression & multi-byte testing, design and automation of test cases and platform independent test script development.

Engineering Software Solutions: Our unique combination of CAD software development skills and engineering domain knowledge helps us provide engineering solutions in the areas of design / collaboration / PLM / defect management to improve engineering process efficiency of our customers. The objective is to provide the right solution which will enhance their engineering efficiency.

Some of the applications developed at Neilsoft are:

DiEdifice -- a 3D design application used for pressure die casting die design, by tool rooms, die casting design centers and die-casters. It analyzes casting geometry and designs a Gating System (gates, gate-runners, runners, overflows and vents) based on user inputs and its own design decisions. FlowSim -- a simulation tool to help the die designer validate die-cavity filling through the designed gating system design. e-PDLM (Electronic-Product Defect Lifecycle Management)-- Neilsoft's enterprise-wide web-based collaborative software solution to systematically identify, record, review, track, resolve and analyze defects / issues arising in a project. Cabin Design Application -- an intelligent 3D modeling software for designing accommodation areas for different kinds of ships. This helps achieve reduction in accommodation area design time. Outfit Steel Module -- a modeling tool for creating auxiliary steel structures. It reduces outfitting steel design time by automating the design process for creating ladders, staircase, walkways, masts and equipment foundations.

Design Automation: We develop customized applications leveraging our geometry and engineering related skills & capabilities on multiple CAD / CAM / CAE / PLM platforms for our engineering clients to enhance their productivity and improve their quality through automation of components of their engineering processes. These include: ·	Development of configurators ·	Automating 2D drawing generation complete with production detailing ·	Automating 3D modeling and assembly creation ·	Standardizing components into a drawing database ·	CAD integration ·	CAD-ERP integration ·	Incorporating design rules and logic used by designers into the software to increase the intelligence of the software ·	Generating Bill of Material and cost estimates from the 2D / 3D design

Electrical & Controls Engineering: A strong shop floor background enables one to have a better understanding of customer requirements related to automation and controls projects. Coupled with that, we have strong capabilities in PLC programming skills in multiple vendor platforms, excellent understanding of SCADA systems and network architecture and are well versed in international standards and best practices adopted in the field of electrical and controls engineering. Our services include: ·	HMI and SCADA system design, development and onsite implementation ·	PLC software development and onsite implementation ·	Distributed Control System (DCS) integration ·	Up-gradation and migration of legacy systems ·	Electrical schematics design and detailing ·	Customized report generation ·	Onsite commissioning support to users on the systems.

Engineering Resource Centers: Neilsoft establishes engineering resource centers (virtual captives) as per client specifications & size requirements. Our operational models include teams working off-shore (remote location), near-shore (close to client / project location) or hybrid (combination of offshore and near-shore resources).

Neilsoft has over the years evolved its proprietary methodology, Fast Track methodology which helps in reducing the barriers created by distance. This has been developed by replicating the IT business model (methodology & processes) of working at a distance (remote teams) and applying the same to the Engineering & Technology services (ET) sector. Jointly with the client, we evolve a detailed offshoring strategy, roadmap and process to implement and realize the offshore advantage aimed at continuous process improvement & overall engineering cost reduction for our client. Our methodology enables us to replicate our client's engineering standards, practices, & systems in the offshore center, hence seamlessly integrating with our client's existing engineering team & environment. Also our hybrid delivery model offers clients the efficiencies of scale and offshoring without compromising on the local co-ordination/presence desired.

Neilsoft has built a strong reputation as a leading engineering engineering & technology services company in India providing our customers with world-class professional resources. Together with ISO 9001: 2000 certified processes and methodologies for project planning, co-ordination, communication and reporting – Neilsoft is well placed to be an extended arm of international engineering companies.

Offices At: INDIA: Head quartered in Pune, Branches at Mumbai, Delhi, Hubli, and Bangalore. Sales offices at: Michigen USA, Chicago USA, Lutun UK, Switzerland, Dalian China. --> —Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.167.89.199 (talk • contribs) 08:55, 25 July 2007


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Starter Pokémon
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Suril Shah
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Harry Potter series and its religious symbolism.
It seemed very obvious that there was a parallel to Christ and Harry Potter. Prophets both predicted their births as saviors. They both had to sacrifice themselves to save others. They both ended up coming back from the dead in a way. They both ended evil.

Also, I would say that dumbldore is symbolic of the father, as Harry Potter is symbolic of Jesus. It seems too obvious and I can't find it anywhere else. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.84.113.121 (talk • contribs) 22:31, 24 July 2007


 * Hello and thanks for your post! That really does sound like an interesting analysis and likely another example of The Hero with a Thousand Faces. If you want to include this analysis in the encyclopedia, you'll need to find it mentioned in some reliable sources that you can cite in the article because Wikipedia has a strict ban on original research. Thanks again for writing and happy editing! &mdash;Elipongo (Talk contribs) 21:33, 25 July 2007 (UTC)


 * If you want to write an article based on a new idea, please see the Wikisource sister project, which welcomes such articles. -- John Broughton  (♫♫) 11:41, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

Water Hybrid
Hello Wikipedia.

Have you heard about Water Hybrid Technology? There are people now who refine water into a fuel using the chemical process of electrolysis. With a small amount of electricity large quantities of Oxyhydrogen Gas are produced and then fed into the existing air/fuel mixture on an internal combustion engine. The hydrogen burns replacing a portion of the gasoline and the oxygen helps the gasoline burn, thus improving engine efficiency and lowering greenhouse gas emissions.

I am not experienced at writing wikipedia articles but I know alot about Water Hybrid Technology. My hope is that someone would like to collaborate on this project and begin the task of introducing this technology to the world.

If you are an experienced wiki writer/editor please contact me.

Sincerely, Russell Pickavance evolutionmotion.com


 * You were doing fine until you said introducing this technology to the world. Wikipedia only uses information that is already published in a reliable source; we do not want original content here.  If you want to (essentially) publish articles to "inform the world", please see the Wikisource sister project.  -- John Broughton  (♫♫) 11:37, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Not that this is the place to debate science issues, but, No Free Lunch. If an engine uses gasoline to generate electricity, which it then uses to electrolyze water into hydrogen, which it then burns to run the car, you wasted energy; from thermodynamics it would have been more efficident to use the original energy (from gasoline) to drive the car directly. Intermediate stages waste engergy. Hydrogen is useful as a mobile fuel (as in a hydrogen cell car) after it is produced at an immobile plant (e.g. a nuclear reactor or coal plant) using economies of scale at the immobile site. But hydrogen isn't free. Pete St.John 15:40, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

I would like to answer both of these responses. First, Water Hybrid Technology is not new but the people of the world do not know that it exists or there would already be a Wikipedia page on the subject, hence my language, "introducing this technology to the world." Electrolysis has been used to break water into Oxyhdrogen for well over a hundred years. Oxyhydrogen has been used as a fuel and a fuel supplement and there are many patents and articles on the process. Wikipedia is the perfect place to create a full article on this process.

To answer the second post. Hydrogen is not free, you are correct, but you can generate Oxyhydrogen gas with a small amount of electricity, and that hydrogen can burn in a completely different chemcal reaction. You refer to economies of scale, but you fail to mention or realize that there are efficiencies inside of all of these equations to take in effect. If you can generate 1 liter of Oxyhdrogen gas per minute, using 15 amps of electricity at 12 volts what is the amount of energy that you can get from that 1 litres of hydrogen through combustion? Now, if I have a system that gets 10 liters of Oxyhdrogen for the same amount of electricity then we have to agree that someone could possibly get 20 or 30, maybe even 40 with a properly designed device. That means more gas for the same amount of electricity. This is what my company does, and this information is based on fact not speculation. I am not disputing the Laws of Thermodynamics, only your interpretation of those laws.

I agree that this is not the forum for a scientific debate, I am only here to try and express facts, and to see those facts on a Wikipedia page.

I would still like to be contacted by a Wikipedia writer who is willing to help compile all of this information into a Wikipedia page.

Sincerely, Russell Pickavance russell@evolutionmotion.com 505.983.4581

Brent Lee Tracy
Brent Lee Tracy (born February 26, 1973 in Orlando, Florida)(died April 7, 2001 in Los Angeles California) is former major league baseball player. 04:41, 29 July 2007 —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 69.228.237.107 (talk • contribs).


 * If you're proposing that Wikipedia should have an article on this person, please note that this is not the page to post such a suggestion - see the top of this page for where to make such a request.  This page is for discussing ideas you have about new articles before you create them.


 * Further, this page seems to indicate that there was no such player. -- John Broughton  (♫♫) 13:20, 30 July 2007 (UTC)