Wikipedia:Drawing board/Archives/2009/August

D&L Bensinger
D&L Bensinger Military Vehicle Parts and Restorations is a small business that sells parts for and provides restoration work for many historic military vehicles, primarily early jeeps. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.101.131.237 (talk) 01:30, 2 August 2009 (UTC)
 * You will have to make a greater claim of notability to meet WP:N. If you can find magazines that have written a story about the business that would help. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 22:25, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

new user would like to request a review
I am writing my first Wikipedia article, and before I publish it would it be possible for someone to take a look at it and let me know if I've done anything wrong please?

The article is currently in my sandbox at User:Ghosttie/Sandbox

Ghosttie (talk) 16:09, 3 August 2009 (UTC)
 * This looks suitable to make a new article. It has references.  Perhaps you could say more about it's real world impact. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 22:28, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

Journalism Education Association
I'm considering creating a page for the JEA. This is a national organization for advisers of student publications. It is housed at Kansas State University in Manhattan, Kansas. National teacher/adviser/student workshops are hosted every year--the Flint Hills Publications Workshop for 2009 just concluded on July 23.

Here are some links:

http://www.jea.org

http://www.kedziekrier.com/ -- official student production of Flint Hills Publications Workshop

http://www.jmc.k-state.edu/about/programs.html

http://jeadigitalmedia.org/

http://www.jeapressrights.org/

http://royalpurple.ksu.edu/pdfs/flint-hills-program.pdf

http://www.splc.org/newsflash_archives.asp?id=1902&year=2009

What do you think? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jp07 (talk • contribs) 06:13, 5 August 2009 (UTC)


 * I went ahead and started the article. Feel free to contribute. --Jp07 (talk) 00:34, 8 August 2009 (UTC)

Carpenters’ Company of the City and County of Philadelphia
"Carpenters’ Company of the City and County of Philadelphia" owns Philadelphia’s Carpenters' Hall, but it is strange that the article on their building is the only article on the oldest trade guild in the United States, founded 1724, well before their building was constructed in 1770-1771. The building is very significant for the early history of Pennsylvania and the United States of America, only exceeded in importance by the Pennsylvania State House, now known by everyone as Independence Hall.

However, I am considering writing an article on the "Carpenters’ Company of the City and County of Philadelphia" with appropriate and verifiable sources. Appropriate Internet sources would include:


 * http://www.thecarpenterscompany.co.uk/pages/craft_activities/philadelphia_company/default.aspx
 * http://www.ushistory.org/carpentershall/company/index.htm
 * http://books.google.com/books?id=aNLTAAAAMAAJ&pg=PA9&lpg=PA9&dq=%22Carpenters'+Company%22%2BPhiladelphia&source=bl&ots=oRf0VsK8_j&sig=3M8BEgLtmk2zITbg4_331LFP8BA&hl=en&ei=a_59SpPDGcSBtgfv1NH0AQ&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=6#v=onepage&q=&f=false
 * http://www.flickr.com/photos/wallyg/2569178768/ (1786 Rule Book)

Resources on paper for more information would include the Free Library of Philadelphia, Library Company of Philadelphia, the Historical Society of Pennsylvania, and of course the staff at Carpenters' Hall.

Please comment here rather than on the Carpenters' Hall talk page.--DThomsen8 (talk) 23:00, 8 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Having only briefly skimmed your submitted sources there seems to be a rich history with this company especially in the stories of its members included on the webpage http://www.ushistory.org/carpentershall/company/index.htm. Once again having only briefly skimmed the sources I would say that an article on the company's history and current contributions with references to some of its more storied members would be a valuable contribution to the American history archives. Keep me up to date on ways that I can help out. --Epignosis (talk) 01:46, 9 August 2009 (UTC)


 * The first source is interesting because there is a London Carpenters' Hall, too. --DThomsen8 (talk) 13:32, 9 August 2009 (UTC)

New Article: Holiday Rambler
Created as a user subpage where I can get help in getting it ready for "live" posting.

Comments and suggestions are solicited.

Holiday Rambler was the first of the recreational vehicles created in the USA and has had a checkered life through the RV industry. The largest Holiday Rambler RV's are in the 460,000 USD range and have a history back to 1953. They are a significant part of RV history.

Cmabrey (talk) 06:31, 6 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Found at User:Cmabrey/Holiday Rambler Graeme Bartlett (talk) 21:17, 6 August 2009 (UTC)
 * The references or foot notes are invisible, use at the bottom to show up the refs. You said they ushered in the era, but can you say who copied their ideas so that the impact of the aluminium body can be explained?   Also how much did they make, and what was their staff at their peak?  Is there a logo available or a picture of one of their trailers? If you don't know how to wikify, the idea is that the subject is made bold, with the triple quotes Holiday Rambler and the links to other articles can be put in with double square brackets: eg Harley-Davidson .  But the content looks to be suitable for Wikipedia.  When you get those references visible I can check it out, but next week some time. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 21:25, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

Great input! I'm working on it. Cmabrey (talk) 19:06, 7 August 2009 (UTC)
 * This is ready for article space, should survive there. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 22:41, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for the help, guidance and encouragement. I'll move it. Cmabrey (talk) 02:23, 16 August 2009 (UTC)

Post on Indian Classical Vocalist Vijay Koparkar - continued
Hi

I made the changes you had suggested. Is my article ready to go live? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Shalmali.mahajan/Sandbox

Thanks.

Shalmali.mahajan (talk) 16:09, 8 August 2009 (UTC)
 * I have made some more links and spell and usage fixes. His main claim to fame is performing in many countries.  Can you support that with a reference attached to the sentence.  If this claim is supported, then he meets the world tour option of the WP:MUSIC requirements.  His photo shows him with an instrument.  Can you explain what that is and if he plays it? Graeme Bartlett (talk) 09:50, 10 August 2009 (UTC)
 * If you can get permission can you make a recording of him singing some classical pieces? It would also be good to get some sound recordings to illustrate the Thumri and Natya Sangeet styles by listening. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 09:53, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

I have now supported the mention of the world tour with references. I have also added a few more references. The instrument in the picture is an accompanying instrument that every Indian vocalist plays, so I guess I need not elaborate on that. I might be able to get a recording, but that might take a few weeks. I hope that won't stop the article form being approved. Shalmali.mahajan (talk) 19:21, 12 August 2009 (UTC)
 * A recording should not hold it up, it is something that would be good for Wikipedia. As there seems to be a shortage of sounds recordings. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 22:09, 12 August 2009 (UTC)
 * The first references is good, the second may be OK, although embedded in a sea of ads. The third on usenet is not a reliable source, can you find a better one for LA performance?    Anyway the article could be moved to article space using the move tab. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 22:15, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

Revised article about LiveWire World
I am new to wiki page creation and have been working on a page for LiveWire World in my subspace at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Venuscameback/LiveWire_World#LiveWire_World - any feedback would be greatly appreciated. Is it ready for publication? If not, what edits/additions do I need to make before it is? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Venuscameback (talk • contribs) 16:26, 12 August 2009 (UTC)
 * The sources you use are not independent, the lds article seems to be written by a family member of the site's creator. You will need to find two good reliable independent references to show that the web site is notable and noticed by others. User:Venuscameback/LiveWire World does not need the heading inside the article, as you notice it makes a contents appear before the introductory paragraph. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 22:22, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for the feedback, Graeme, I'll work on that. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Venuscameback (talk • contribs) 04:59, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

I have added several additional references - are these more acceptable? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Venuscameback (talk • contribs) 15:21, 13 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Forums are not really reliable sources either, as usually anyone can post on them. You really need things like newspapers, books, or magazines. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 06:43, 16 August 2009 (UTC)

That's why the first three references are from websites that are not forums - www.rachel-summers.com, www.gayleague.com and www.mikeandpeter.com. And while I appreciate that forums are not great sources in general, they are the only realistic source for forum-run fan awards, such as those mentioned in the "Recognition and Awards" section. You wouldn't expect to find information on those awards anywhere else, despite the forum involved, CBR, being the leader in its field.

I will, however, continue to work on finding other references and sources. Thanks for the continued feedback. --Venuscameback (talk) 18:27, 16 August 2009 (UTC)