Wikipedia:Editor assistance/Requests/Archive 4

request - wikipedia entry for Dean Barker
I am a sailing journalist and have known Dean Barker for many years. Since the outcome of the America's Cup on Tuesday someone has been editing his wikipedia entry to his detriment with their own opinion, rather than fact. Dean Barker is one of the world's top sailors. Most recently this was shown by his helming and skippering the team that defeated all others (5-0 in the final) to take on the present America's Cup holders to challenge for the world's oldest sporting trophy this year. The America's Cup match itself was extremely close - as is reflected in the win by the Defender by one second only in the final race. It will go down in the record books as one of the closest fought and best sailing series of all time. I appreciate that some people like to hammer those who lose in sport, but feel that the level of personal attack, and inappropriate and inaccurate remarks concerning Barker's extremely successful sailing history and personality (he has superb team leadership ability), is unwarranted and highly inappropriate for any encyclopedia. Somehow I cannot imagine that the person who wrote the comments has ever represented their country internationally in sailing (I have done so), let alone been an Olympic representative after a campaign of only a few months, or been part of winning America's Cup and Louis Vuitton Cup teams, which are points included, amongst many others, in Dean Barker's extremely successful sailing career.

You will see my edit removal of yesterday (anneh1), which appears to have been auto-replaced, with the addition of a sentence, which is now duplicated, in the first section of the article on Dean Barker.

Could you please bar the IP address/user ID that is creating this auto-replacement of personal attack material from edit access to Dean Barker's wikipedia entry? Could you also ensure that the text that I removed yesterday is deleted once and for all?

Thank you,

Anne Hinton anneh1 (email address removed) 131.111.151.217 08:22, 6 July 2007 (UTC)


 * You might want to take into account the criteria for blocks before requesting that an anon IP be blocked for something that does not warrant a block. This is just a content dispute and since there are only two parties involved, you have 3O as your first option. I would not advise that you continue to edit against the other party, partly because edit wars help no one, but also because you may get close to COI and ownership issues. Keep it civil and start by pointing out the need for all BLP material to meet Verifiability and NPOV. The latter is a policy, and one of the five pillars.  Adrian  M. H.  16:07, 6 July 2007 (UTC)


 * I removed BLP, NPOV, and WP:OR material from the article and placed a note on Lgask's talk page. --  Jreferee  (Talk) 08:22, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

Logging in problems
Hi,

I logged in twice to edit articles on the 83rd infantry division and Buchenwald concentration camp. After both revisions I was informed that I was NOT logged in and that information would be made public that might expose me to spam et al.

No giant problem in this. . . but. . . thought you should know.

Note. . . after entering my user name and password I was informed that I was "logged in". . . but got the "not logged in" message when trying to submit the edits.

Dan Morrow (e-mail removed) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.142.130.34 (talk) 04:12, 9 July 2007


 * I suggest making a check of cookie handling behaviour in your preferred browser, together with any cookie filtering that may be present in your security suite. Though the session cookie handling is the prime suspect.  Adrian  M. H.  17:35, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

Seeking help from a biology editor
After years of gnoming, I started editing bear to see how much I could improve an article if I focused my attention on it. Unfortunately, after finishing a new introduction I got stuck on the next section (taxonomy and evolution) and am now looking for a more knowledgeable editor to help me in this area. I already have numerous sources (print and digital) but I'm having a little trouble understanding some of the terminology and knowing which taxonomy/theories to present in the article (as there are several). In other words, I have all of the necessary references and need help putting them together. Thanks. Enoktalk 06:44, 15 July 2007 (UTC)
 * I am not sure that any of us regular EA respondents are mammal experts, but you could enlist assistance at WikiProject Mammals. One of its members could bring to bear their expert knowledge! Couldn't resist a pun!  Adrian  M. H.  15:01, 15 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Teehee. Good answer! - Demong talk 20:12, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

Reality check - Falun Gong
An editor and I have been engaged in what could be described as an edit war on the above article, which is under probation. There is a year-old to-do list on the article's talk page, and I have tried to transform the article from through some fairly radical edits in conformity with said to-do list, but a certain editor has taken an offense to my edits. My efforts have been repeatedly (at least twice) reversed by said editor, who has furthermore accused my of sock puppetry and vandalism. The person has refused any dialogue with me despite several attempts to create a discussion on the article's talk page, and on the editor's. I have tried to be more open and transparent as possible with the editing after the first failed attempt, but said editor has not only reverted all the changes I introduced, he has put it in a more biased state than when I first touched the article by deleting sourced material placed by someone else under a rather spurious interpretation of violation of WP:BLP. His edit history reveals that he rarely strays outside the FG series of articles, and continues to make rather blatant POV edits including removal of tags, and sourced information. He also edits talk pages of other editors to preach, which again seems to prove he is avoiding me deliberately. Another editor has engaged me in constructive discussion on my talk page, and appears to agree that the individual may be behaving inappropriately. I do not know how article probation works in practice. I believe I am wasting my time with trying to get this article into a good one, but still believe that the individual's actions should be brought to someone's attention. Ohconfucius 04:19, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
 * First off, let me commend you for retaining your composure and maintaining civility when it might have been easier to do otherwise. This is anything but a "waste of time", and is greatly appreciated here.
 * According to the dispute resolution guidelines, you have a few more options available to you. Seeing that you have already sought a third opinion, I would suggest you seek mediation; this comes in two forms &mdash; informal or formal. Hopefully, this approach will work for you.
 * Good luck. --Aarktica 23:41, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
 * thanks for your reply. I have just had a reply back from the editor concerned, who left me some long messages, so I think the dialogue can continue from there. Thanks for the trouble. Ohconfucius 01:00, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

I have received a Warning on my talk page that is totally without merit.
I have just received a Warning template on my talk page, warning me not to "experiment with Wikipedia".

Here's the problem: I have not done anything at all that can be construed as vandalism. The newly registered User:Luvente (reg. 15:42, 14 July 2007) has gone into a edit war with me over a couple of articles I have created (with plentyful sources) and claims that these articles constitute Vandalism. He has no sources to back him up, I have half a dozen right now and can get hold of nother dozen quickly if I should want to.

I do not want a completely, utterly, totally false warning on my talk page, I take honor in the factual accuracy of my edits and have so for over two years without complaint. What can I do with this talk page vandalism? Please help me here. Manxruler 00:50, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
 * First of all, you're not obligated to keep any warnings on your talkpage, so feel free to delete it. Second, the best thing to do is to discuss it with the editor who left the warning. Perhaps you could explain to her/him that you feel the warning is undeserved and/or find out from the editor what it was s/he was warning you about. It's always best to go to the person you're in conflict with first, before escalating it. Good luck! Anchoress 01:23, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Thank you very much for the information, Anchoress. I have actually addressed this individual, but I do not expect to receive any constructive replies from him. He seems to be the "I'm right and nothing else counts"-type. Its a good thing I can delete the warning, but I think I'll wait and see if I can't clear the issue up with User:Luvente before doing so. I feel he needs some guidance in proper procedure. Manxruler 01:51, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
 * You're welcome! I noticed after I posted this that you had replied on your talkpage; I haven't checked back since, but if it were me, I'd delete the whole thread from my talk, and post an extremely civil, neutral message on Luvente's talkpage inquiring about the reason for the warning. You might also note that (per many discussions on WP:AN and WP:AN/I) it is generally considered de trop to give established users vandalism warnings. There might even be an essay about this somewhere. Anchoress 22:29, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Thank you once again. Since the last "Warning" I have received a "last warning" with threaths of being blocked from Wikipedia from mr. User:Luvente. No response to me inquering as to what the problem seems to be, just a harsher "warning". I'll delete the thread alright, but this guy doesn't seem to be willing to either explain his actions or cease his "warnings". Any other advice, Anchoress? Manxruler 10:24, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Yes, I saw the 'final warning' template before I commented on Luvente's talkpage. I think you (and Mike and I) have done as much as is warranted at this juncture; Luvente's actions to date appear to be meritless (particularly in view of the fact that s/he hasn't taken the opportunity to clarify or defend her/his actions), so you needn't credit them further. I'd just leave it as is for now, and file it as 'resolved as far as possible with an uncooperative party' and await further developments. Luvente's actions, however perplexing, don't warrant any action beyond what's been taken so far (I noticed that Mike notified AIV about Luvente - I don't know what the result was). Anchoress 22:49, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
 * I don't think I would be alone in finding Luvente behaviour very strange for a new user. One of the first acts he did was to raise an Afd, even longstanding members get confused raising Afds. I will raise a note at WP:AIV, I can't guarantee it will do any good, but the behaviour strikes me a regular either blocked or just on a mischief spree under a diferent name. Mike33 10:50, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks, Mike. I sort of suspect something like that myself. This user went straight on the attack at once, usually people need a little time to get comfy. Manxruler 11:21, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Would it be appropriate to label this thread 'resolved'? Two experienced editors (in addition to Manxruler) have now posted to Luvente's talkpage commenting on the issue, I'm not sure that anything further will result from discussion here. Comments? Anchoress 22:49, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Yes, I would say that it can be marked as resolved.  Adrian  M. H.  22:59, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
 * OK, done. Anchoress 23:52, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
 * FYI, HERE is the resolution to Mike's AIV report. Anchoress 02:46, 19 July 2007 (UTC)

Need help correcting NPOV
My page -- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Analysis_Group -- was tagged as "reading like an advertisement", which complaint I don't understand. What can I do to make this article fit protocol? Thanks. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rgord01 (talk • contribs) 21:45, 9 July 2007
 * The history shows that you have not contributed to Analysis Group. Indeed, this is your only edit (notwithstanding any deleted articles, obviously). And you should not refer to any page as "my page". Have a look at style guides (MOS, IA, etc.) and the featured articles to better gauge good quality formal encyclopaedic writing.  Adrian  M. H.  20:52, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

Could someone help me close/archive this peer review?
I filed a peer review on I Not Stupid on 8 July 2007, to prepare the article for a GA nomination, which I filed on 15 July 2007. As I Not Stupid has achieved GA status, and I have no intention to get it to FA status, I see no need to continue the peer review. Could someone please help me close/archive the peer review? Thanks in advance. --J.L.W.S. The Special One 14:39, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
 * According to the logs, the review was archived over a fortnight ago. However, the review was left on the Peer Review list (perhaps an oversight?)
 * In any event, I went ahead and removed the listing from that page. Hopefully, this completes the archival of the request. Cheers, --Aarktica 04:05, 19 July 2007 (UTC)
 * It's a little more complicated that it first looks [See logs] I had a similar problem with a recent Afd that was moved/renamed and disappeared from the daily log. I had a look at it yesterday and came to the conclusion that current Peer review/I Not Stupid/archive5 should be moved to Peer review/I Not Stupid/archive4. Well I think that is what needs doing. I would spd the current (08 Jul 07) Peer review/I Not Stupid/archive5, so that if it does need another PR, it doesn't go through the same problem again, and just manually adjust the PR red links on the talk page to the right archives. Mik e 33 -  t @ lk  06:40, 19 July 2007 (UTC)
 * How could a peer review be archived six days before it was filed? It was probably the article's second most recent peer review that was archived on 2 July 2007. This request is now moot, as the most recent peer review was archived yesterday. However, the ArticleHistory template on the article's talk page may have errors that need to be corrected. --J.L.W.S. The Special One 13:36, 20 July 2007 (UTC)

Nuetrality
Hi, I'm trying to write an informative page about Nature's Cure - a company too often confused with nature cures (already with a wikipedia entry). The goal is to create one similar to the Burt's Bees wikipedia entry, but I'm having trouble since there is a "please help review this article from a neutral point of view" flag on the entry.

I have external links which discuss Nature's Cure - would that help with notability?

Also, would it be helpful to put links in the entry which would link it to other wikipedia entries?

Please advise. Thanks! Christyae1 21:56, 18 July 2007 (UTC)


 * You are describing two different problems, so I'll cover them in order. No one has raised the issue of bias, and I do not really see any problem from that standpoint unless you are subject to some undisclosed COI. It is not apparent from the article anyway. The issue of advertorial has been raised by someone, but is actually a little misguided in this instance, I believe. If you want to see what advertorial really looks like.... well, you don't have to go far to find it on WP. Some of the articles at AFD absolutely stink of it. Notability is easy; just read that guideline and you will see what needs to be done. Related to that are the policy of verifiability and the guidelines about footnotes (two links there). Where are those reliable neutral third-party reference sources with non-trivial editorial treatments of the subject matter? Get plenty of those and notability tends to fall into place.  Adrian  M. H.  22:28, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Hmmm, forgot to say that the editor who added the Notability tag should have opened a discussion on the talk page to explain his reasoning, but didn't.  Adrian  M. H.  22:35, 18 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Hi Christyae, I've edited the article to remove bias and included references to establish notability. However, I haven't been able to include the company logo in the infobox. Perhaps someone else could assist? Addhoc 11:38, 19 July 2007 (UTC) now fixed. Addhoc 19:10, 20 July 2007 (UTC)

Need help on Railpage Australia
I've been trying to prevent the Railpage Australia Forums article (a rail enthusiast site) turning into a vanity page. As it stands much of the article is poorly referenced with unreliable sources. Every edit I have made is supported by verifiable facts which justifies that change. My first attempt earlier this year was to reinstate information posted by another user that concerned one individual's railway criminal activities who was also involved with the operation of Railpage Forums as a moderator. The criminal activities of that individual were reported in the Australian national newspapers.

My most recent edit resulting in a edit war, was to call the Railpage Forum "commercial, free to join, voluntary payment for service". I have justified this edit based upon that the Forum is owned not by a individual, but by a registered corporation and on Australian taxation law/rulings. The problem is I suspect there are two or three die hard supporters of the organization which the article is about who delete my editing with little (just a statement with no verifiable facts)or no explanation. The other day, I accused two of them of suspected conflict of interest COI. It seems that these two registered Wikipedia users have gone away, replaced by two or three anonymous I.P. editors. I'd like someone to look at the whole article and make a few comments. Thanks. Tezza1 15:02, 19 July 2007 (UTC)


 * I would agree that much of it is unsourced and only refers back to the forum. As an anorak myself (worked at Ballaarat station 94/95), I tend to keep very well clear of railway accidents etc. I do notice that you have only just started editing under Tezza1, that isn't a bad thing, but if you are accusing others of WP:COI, they may well doubt your neutrality. What do I suggest? mmmmm find a neutral party from say WikiProject UK Railways and raise your concerns there. I know it isn't an Australian project, but neutrality is the only way you can move forward.  Mik e 33 -  t @ lk  15:53, 19 July 2007 (UTC)


 * A few comments:
 * the article does clearly require a rewrite and inclusion of secondary sources
 * editors are allowed to source citations from the web site if these conditions are met
 * the criminal activities material probably contravenes the presumption in favor of privacy aspect of the BLP policy
 * if someone reverts you take it to the talk page
 * Addhoc 17:11, 19 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Tezza is certainly NOT neutral. He has a history of attacking the site on Usenet newsgroups. 61.193.244.20 07:14, 20 July 2007 (UTC)

Thank you.Tezza1 20:11, 19 July 2007 (UTC)
 * I would dispute the "little or no explanation" comment in tezza's post. Certainly, there was disagreement with tezza's edits, but the replies (as witnessed on the talk page) were well constructed and seemed to refute tezza's arguments.  My take on the COI affair was that tezza was frustated that he could not get his edits to stick, and made the COI accusation in that spirit. There are many factional splits in the Australian Railfan/Gunzel/Anorak community, and it appears to me that some of this has spilled over to the Railpage wiki article. Yes, I am a Railpage member (not moderator/admin), and I do have concerns (raised with Tezza, but with no direct reply), as to Tezza's motive behind his edits. If that makes me in COI, then so be it.Johnmc 08:48, 20 July 2007 (UTC)

User Mike33 I put it up for peer review as you suggested, and guess what happens? the anonymous IP's become activeTezza1 11:14, 20 July 2007 (UTC)

Photo Sails.
I tried to ad a page about a recently patented product, PHOTO SAILS. Wikipedia has files on other patented products such as Rubics Cube and the Swiffer. Why are you blocking my addition of a product that holds 30+ worldwide patents? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Aaronkiss (talk • contribs) 18:59, 19 July 2007

Wikipedia does not do "ads" and your addition was purely an 'ad'. Please consult WP:NOT and if you were directed to this page from an SEO site, I would suggest you pay more attention, because this is one of the pages that are listed to avoid. Mik e 33 - t @ lk  18:46, 19 July 2007 (UTC)

Joe Girardi
To whom it may concern,

The Joe Girardi page has been subject to consistent edit wars regarding the team colors in his info box. The colors previously had listed the colors of the Chicago Cubs (red and blue) since Girardi played the most years (6) for the Cubs than any other team covering two separate stints. He played 3 years for the Yankees, 2 years for the Rockies, and 1 year for the Cardinals. However, several users, mainly IP address 208.168.252.236 have repeatedly changed the box to Yankee colors. Can you please help as the constant re-editing is ruining the page. Thank you. Joeidaho 16:49, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
 * It seems logical to me that, if you can have only one, you should choose the most significant. Which would normally have to be judged by longevity for sake of avoiding subjectivity. Perhaps you should suggest to the other editors that no colours should be included at all, and see what they say. Did he have greater success with any of the other teams, by the way?  Adrian  M. H.  22:32, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

Most of the players are listed with teams with the most longevity. However, user mghabmw continues to violate the 3RR rule either under his own name or IP 208.169.94.8 on both the Joe Girardi page and Reggie Jackson page. He appears to be a Yankee fan and constantly changes players' colors to Yankees colors. In Girardi's case, he played 6 years on the Cubs and 3 years on the Yankees. In Reggie's case, he played 9 years on the A's and 5 years on the Yankees. He is consistently reverting and I don't know what action can be taken at this point. Joeidaho 17:56, 19 July 2007 (UTC)

Someone at 65.160.57.101 requested my password
Yesterday I received an email from wiki@wikimedia.org with subject line New temporary password for Wikipedia. The text is Someone from the IP address 65.160.57.101 requested that we send you a new login password for the English Wikipedia.

The new password for the user account "CliffC" is "(redacted)". You can now log in to Wikipedia using that password.

If it was you who requested this new password, then you should log in to Wikipedia and change it to your desired password by clicking "My Preferences" at the top right of any page, or by visiting the following URL:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Preferences

If someone else made this request, or if you have remembered your password and you no longer wish to change it, you may safely ignore this message. Your old/existing password will continue to work despite this new password being created for you.

~Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia http://en.wikipedia.org

I didn't ask for my password to be sent and I don't know who 65.160.57.101 is. When I go to his talk page here I see that he's a spammer with three sock accounts, but I don't see any intersection between the articles he's spammed and those where I've reverted spammers, or even visited.

So... "What's all this then?" I once saw this question asked elsewhere in Wikipedia, I don't recall where, but the answer was something to the effect of "nothing to be concerned about, move along". Can someone explain (or speculate on) what's going on? --CliffC 19:33, 19 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Bit disconcerting, I agree, but probably nothing to worry about. I have seen this mentioned at the VP before. I suspect that someone decided to try something nefarious and picked your account at random (perhaps from article history or a talk page). As they will no doubt be aware by now, they are out of luck! The important thing is to (a) have a very obscure password, (b) never sign in at a publicly available PC, and (c) avoid spyware.  Adrian  M. H.  22:23, 19 July 2007 (UTC)

It means you're famous Cliff - you must be doing something right, if people are trying to undo your good work. "my preferences" button at top of the page lets u change passwords as many times a day as you want. You can even forget and get a new code - remember only you know it unless somebody has access to your email. It could just be a mistake tho, if you're bored try Special:Listusers and search for a blue link Cliff! Mik e 33 - t @ lk  22:45, 19 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Thanks, gentlemen. I lean towards Mike's "famous" explanation since articles I edit are still trolled once in a while by the honey-roasted peanuts vandals.  Aarktica has suggested that this item might be closed, and I agree.  --CliffC 13:35, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

Anthony Chidiac
Hi there Editor.

I just thought I'd let you know that an article about me was initiated by people who wanted to highlight what I did with Bill Gates/DVD Video, Internet Cafes and Digital Audio. I felt rather uncomfortable about it, and understandably, with the treatment that some loons on here have given these people, as well was thinking they know best without really helping, suggesting or trying to help edit such article, makes absolutely no sense to me and the supposed "spirit" of wikipedia.

Right now, being the subject of such article, I'm feeling quite peeved and want any such material erased, which would hurt the original authors, but understandably I've been quite hurt by Media in the past and would require that such article be either protected or governed in its formation or writing due to my sensitivity to such exposure.

I would appreciate your thoughts about such behaviour as I was nearly ready to let someone I didnt know have the source listing to such verifiable articles and content re-published to support the article further, but if the article is going to be further scrutinised without expert opinion as to why and how to improve, then I'm not willing to divulge information pertaining to such.

I realise these two or three editors are novices to wikipedia and one is also a person that, being a member of a minority group in Australia, would further cause controversy and bad media about this service. Who am I to judge? They want a chance to be a part of this! So why not give them a chance? I have certainly given thousands of people such a chance through my mentoring as part of the same scheme that I began my career with, before retiring last year.

I would humbly ask for your thoughts on such. I dont want to hurt the novice authors feelings but I feel quite upset this article is being mocked by amateurs. Understandably, its been written by the same!

Thankyou --Achidiac 17:35, 21 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Wikipedia is not censored. The article is quite likely to be deleted anyway. And by editing it yourself, you are in violation of WP:AUTO, WP:COI and, judging by the article's current state, WP:NPOV.  Adrian  M. H.  20:58, 21 July 2007 (UTC)


 * ,, , and have been blocked as sock puppets. See Suspected sock puppets/Achidiac. --  Jreferee    t / c  17:10, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

Article rejection
I have submitted several articles on an indiviual and It has been rejected each time. Attached is an article. Can you please review and either publish or explain to me why not? Please see below. Thanks! -Cedric Brice Carrington, Sound Designer establishes Ultimate FX, a sound library that revolutionizes the industry by bringing Hollywood styled sound effects DIRECTLY to the consumer.

> Ultimate FX, the new sound library led by sound designer Brice Carrington produces some of the world’s most popular sounds for feature films, video games, software and ringtones. With over 20 years of experience, and amassing a vast sound collection, led Brice to create Ultimate FX, a surround sound library whose materials are in great demand by consumers. A key element of the signature Carrington sound is the use of a male African lion in virtually all of his sound effects. All of Carrington’s sounds are original works that are recorded in the field, using six microphones, creating the true 5.1 surround sound. > According to Carrington, “Working in sound production over the years has afforded me the ability to create some of the most unique sounds you will ever hear, and we will soon have the ability to share our library of sound effects with the world. Now anyone can incorporate professional sound effects into their own home movies.”  An example of an Ultimate FX exclusive is the recreation of the famous sound of the T-Rex eating, in the film Jurassic Park. This sound was created by recording a lion crunching bones; the splash of hogs in water; the flesh tearing sound of a lion tearing the fur off of a rabbit; an elephant’s roar; even the whirring of an old-school push lawn mower. Ultimate FX was the premier surround sound effects library of BMG/Killer tracks, one of the most state of the art sound libraries in the world. Ultimate FX has also been used at Universal Studios theme parks in Hollywood, and Sea World in Orlando, Florida. Ultimate FX is currently sold by Pinnacle Systems and Carrington is in development of a consumer based sound mixer which will allow its users to create their own sound effects in their home movies. “By including many ready made sound files from Ultimate FX in Pinnacle’s video editing product line, customers can easily create polished, Hollywood-style results that are fun to share with family and friends,” says Amy Whelan of Pinnacle Systems. “Beginning with Pinnacle Studio version 9, Carrington’s audio content is now also included in Pinnacle’s most recent iteration, Studio 11 Titanium Edition.” —Preceding unsigned comment added by Cedrich (talk • contribs) 19:55, 20 July 2007


 * My hunch is that the article was rejected either because the notability of the subject or product was questioned. Please review WP:BLP, WP:EDIT, WP:GA and WP:RS (not necessarily in that order) for possible tips on avoiding future denials. --Aarktica 19:29, 20 July 2007 (UTC)


 * (edit conflict) Hi there. The problem with an article on Brice Carrington is that it would appear to be nearly impossible to write in any way that would meet our notability guidelines for biographies. Articles on Carrington have been speedy-deleted several times as either promotional (such as the copy above, which is essentially a press release - that makes up most of the sources that can be found with regards to the subject through Google searches) or as an attack page. (Note that I did tag one of the articles for speedy deletion, and at the time left a message on your user talk page with regards to the reason.) Articles must be verifiable through multiple, non-trivial reliable sources to meet guidelines for inclusion. If you feel you can create an article meeting those guidelines and policies, you may want to start it in a personal sandbox (perhaps at User:Cedrich/Sandbox), then check with established editors and ask them to look at the page you have created before moving it into the article space. This might save the trouble of having it speedy-deleted again. Cheers! Tony Fox (arf!) review? 19:32, 20 July 2007 (UTC)

Need advice on external links with potential COI issue
I own iFiction.org, and recently became aware that some articles here about specific games I host (such as Anchorhead) contain links directly to that game on my site. The problem is, the links typically use a URL that I expect to be changing soon. Rather than trying to maintain some number links throughout the wiki, it occurred to me I could create an external link template to make the link easy to add, and keep the URL in one place. Then I could replace the existing links with template references, add the template to other existing game articles where it was relevant, and possibly set up a similar arrangement for the links to game reviews at Baf's Guide. But first I wanted to research the COI policy, to get guidance on whether what I think would improve the articles is in line with the community's opinion on the matter. On reading WP:EL, I figured that would apply, since actual game play is clearly not suitable for inclusion. But then I found the discussion at Conflict_of_interest/Noticeboard. That's a much more extreme situation (6000+ links to stub pages, possible bots, sock puppets, etc), but there's enough similarity to what is clearly a sensitive issue that I decided I should get some Editor feedback on whether (or how much of) my plans are appropriate. Comments, anyone? --Diggernet 02:18, 21 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Sites with other meaningful, relevant content that is not suitable for inclusion in an article, such as reviews and interviews.

WP:COI, WP:FUI and WP:OR are issues that get practically all editors very animated. In real terms, conflict of interest is only of concern if an editor is pushing unverifiable material in an article or excluding controversial material. On some of the articles I regulary work on, we get imput from the relevent non-profit making organisations suggesting new leads or advising on POV problems. They are open about who they are, are happy to receive email and respond to user talk. It doesn't effect any other editor's neutrality and I think it help Wikipedia as a whole. There are exceptions of course and say for example Jesus Army the article seems to be policed entirely by members of the organisation.

Correcting a dead link, albeit your own, should never be looked on as contradictory to WP:COI. However, the template seems a little extreme. External links should obviously be visable, but not eyecatching enough to disturb the flow of the article. If you do have concerns, suggest to the regular editors of anchorhead, zork 1, interactive fiction etc. that they change the links for you.

Please remember that this is my opinion and I am sure other editors will have other opinions converse to mine. Mik e 33 - t @ lk  04:40, 21 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the input. Your statement about dead links is clearly correct, but I guess I should clarify that the template I had in mind would be based on and similar to Template:Imdb title.  That is, it would just be a shorthand for adding one line to the External Links section (as it should be), not something intrusive like an Infobox or link box.  Whether done with a template for maintainability, or manually, I am also interested in any opinions on whether adding such links to other articles would be viewed by others as a helpful addition (as intended), or self-serving link spam.  --Diggernet 06:36, 21 July 2007 (UTC)


 * WP:SPAM should only refer to sites that are only vaguely concerned with the article, paysites, or particular lines of opinion which promote illegal activity. Despite Wikipedia being the "free encyclopedia" it has never discouraged outside profit making organisations making use of its content. The same goes for external links. No outside website can use Wikipedia to gain google points because it is completely "no follow" now. Your template idea still spells trouble though, editors may well view a template not as quick shorthand but as bigging-up your site. When ctrl-f can find a bad link, what is the need?  Mik e 33 -  t @ lk  07:19, 21 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Heh. "Profit making".  I put ads on the site a few weeks ago as an experiment to see if it would pay for its own hosting.  So far, it doesn't look promising.  :)
 * By "bigging-up", I assume you mean trying to make the site seem important because it's got a template? I guess I can understand that logic.  Though to be honest, that idea was inspired more by laziness than any false sense of importance.  Ctrl-F is fine for finding the link in a particular page.  I was thinking more about the task of finding all the links throughout the wiki.  Easier to have the URL in one place.
 * Anyway, so far I gather that adding links from specific game articles to that specific game is acceptable, but using a template is pushing it. Fair 'nuff.  Anyone have any other input on this?  --Diggernet 23:00, 21 July 2007 (UTC)


 * There doesn't appear to be that many external links to the ifiction.org site - see [External links]. Laziness shouldn't be an issue on Wikipedia, if an article is notable enough there are bound to be diligent editors willing to repair bad links, not just remove them. The beauty of Wikipedia is that its content is never static. I have no problem with any site trying to make money. If the minimum wage applied to the maintenence and updating of sites, there probably wouldn't be the web. Wikipedia is mirrored on lots of "for profit" sites, including to my horror the mailing lists and we actually exclude CC 2.5 (NC) licenses for medium on the project to take this into account. I'm suprised I seem to be a lone voice here. If you need anymore imput I would certainly suggest getting a straw poll from the WPs that actually edit the articles. kind regards Mik e 33 -  t @ lk  10:01, 22 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Oh, wow. I didn't realize searching for external links like that was possible.  That nicely addresses my biggest motivation for using a template, which is the task of finding all the links if they need updating.  After letting this sit a few days without any additional comments, I have to conclude that you are the lone voice here simply because anyone who has read your responses agrees with you and had nothing to add.  Thanks for your helpful advice!  --Diggernet 20:18, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

Britney Spears
Hi,

I would like to contribute on some things. The Resident Evil pages in one good example. Here is another for Britney spears. I wrote a fanmail but it lasts 10 pages. English is not my native language but practise makes perfect. How can I best sent the letter to wikipedia?

Britney is asking her most die-hard fans for some assistance in order to name her upcoming album.

1 Omg is Like Lindsay Lohan Like Okay Like - mono comercio 2 What if the Joke is on You - real bromista 3 Down Boy - chao chico (hacia abajo) 4 Integrity - Integridad 5 Dignity - Dignidad

So here are some more:

Olé Corsé Pene Anillo Fértil Vinilo hush funkateers

Lengthy essay, click "show/hide" to expand/reduce -- Dear Britney,

I like you and it has made me very sad, even here in the Netherlands, to notice you are unhappy or unsatisfied. So I have decided to offer you my help. When I was a kite kid I have foreseen and sensed ‘Britney’s Ballet Bakery’ in the media again. You were the best.

Aishwarya Rai starred in more than 30 feature films, more than 50 music videos and is considered the most beautiful woman off the planet. She is also the highest-paid actress in her country that flourishes under her stash and style. She has a vision, not just a pretty face. Miss Bollywood was miss world in 1994 and she thinks rather than feeling persecuted that you're meeting up with a challenge simply because of the gender you belong to. It's important to face the challenge for what it is and have your convictions together. The biggest strength lies in one's ability to say ‘no’. Man and woman in India work for there wacky wheels like the Hooters in the Hawaï bar ride them to serve the customers. They get along in most brands from construction to nursery and software too fashion industries in India. Now, she is Gandhi’s soaking secret. Aishwaria Rai plays ‘The mistress of spices’ (2005) sent to America to help people like you to get a little loom and romance. ‘The Mistress of Spices’ is a sensual story about the tempting Tilo that lives a fable, she is a flaunting facade. A beautiful breakable young woman, all virgin, virile, vivid, vinyl, virtue and vogue vastly trained and tamed in the ancient and only magical art of spices like cannabis and Malathion. Ordained in the orbital oasis special powers are spanking to help those that like her. Tilo can sense people’s problems with an ability to look into their past and future. It is like ‘Jesus and the Mary chain cha cha cha’ or ‘Roxy, Rookie, Rocky and the Runchy Bunch’, a very valuable lesson that inspired the makers off ‘Popeye’, ‘The Prince of Persia’ or ‘Sinbad’ with ‘Giorgio Borghetti’. This mega mythe also got pretentious painters pale and pearl as they made there own paint here like ‘Vermeer’ or ‘Rembrandt’. In ‘Allice in Wonderland’ Natalie Gregory opens a door, the door to her parents bedroom? Alice finds herself in a holy hall with many dull doors and all of them are lame and locked. On a touchy table is a crafty key which aiming Alice can utterly use to open one small door. Size does matter. This door is far too small to even fit her head in. A small bottle appears labeled ‘Drink Me.’ The obedient and oriental Allice glocks the gaze and she swiftly shrinks like a froog frog so she fits the door. But she can no longer reach the key to open it. Nobody has ever heard off this wonderfull woman ever after. She had vanished along with a part off her that got stuck in that very first perfect play. Why? Because she couldn’t always get what she wanted? So here is a very simple sugared advice. Get a UB40 or SB30 sheet and fill in the form if you get stuck or stickey, if you are allowed. Life is about making the right choices, not the right amount off money. Red Buttons plays ‘The rabbit’ like ‘Roger Rabbit’ or ‘Casper the ghost’. In September 12, 1942 this ‘Buttons’ at last got his Broadway debut in ‘Vickie’ Ferrer and Uta Hagen. He even appeared in the Minsky's show ‘Wine, Women and Song’ and we are a bare buttpimpel on his gracious gear. It is said it was the last Brave Burlesque show in New York City. And you can guess why! The Mayor ‘La Guardia’ administration closed it down. Buttons was on stage when the show was raided. (Do you digg the Pussycat Dolls?) I found this silly video on You Tube. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fTRg8uhhJFg I picture you dancing and riding this 3d world after you have made a first comeback. It is a great classic act. You can sit on it, take a ride, turn and it can be solved like a real rebus. Besides the audience can’t miss it. All sane in the membrame, sexual and shaft. In the movie ‘The Matrix Reloaded’ we all learn to understand  a complex world which actually is the Matrix and when a reading computer programmer gets a hang off it he wants to save the planet. The Matrix’s soundtrack also features music from acts such as Rammstein, Rob Dougan, Rage Against the Machine, Propellerheads, Ministry, Massive Attack, Deftones, The Prodigy, Rob Zombie and Marilyn Manson. It is still a future anthology and Samantha Fox always dreamed to play the Matrix since she was a kid and so she did. It is all very philosophical and religious and it was also based on Alice's Adventures in Wonderland, Hong Kong action movies and Japanese animation. We can find all about it on www.wikipedia.com - Keanu Reeves plays the playboy and that brings us back to Aishwarya Rai as Tilo or ‘the Mistress of the spices’. She works in a small San Francisco store called the ‘SPICE BAZAAR’, where, with the guidance of her spices, she finds the perfect remedy for anyone who walks in. She also has to make a daring decision. When Tilo turns in ‘teardrops’ she finds back her way of life, all the people that she has helped suffered but if she shakes her ‘Womack and Womack’ she will loose Doug forever, just like you lost your friend. Get any crew you like but come up with your own plans or ask someone to help you. Aishwaria Rai played ‘Dhoom 2’ and she looks so good she gets you going under the hood. For her three-minute dance performance, Rai was reportedly paid three crore rupees, the equivalent of about 600,000 U.S. dollars. It is just like the ‘notorious’ Nagra CD players, in the UK they have a price range of £6000–£9000 or €12,000 in Europe and may be considered the best. I go take a sandwich, pindabutter now. Are you Hungry? We all need good food, it’s the energy to love like you’ve never been hurt before. I can’t wait to see you on stage with that act. You are turning, thizzing, skating, sliding, popping, pulping, rolling, raving, pilling, posing, winging, washing, taking, taming, boshing, barking or dropping it on the floor. And when they see you in Australia you give us some more flipping, flopping, flaunting and fluffing, pilling, pinging, or grinding the gung-ho tripping your bally boobs, getting chappy and chewed and the camera freaks are zooming on your zoë while you get some tracky training. Some terms may be rushing your feelings, blow the bolllocks, coming up crouching, faking Jane and the jelly jostle juicers flying out of your mind, mingle the mirror, buzzing the bees, fancy the fees but I like it when you like it.

The mileage you paid Kevin, it was said to be $13 million dollars for example, was swiftly suspended to protect your pram, children and financial future. Your style is to be secured immediately and I strongly advice you to order some Papa Patato Pizza and donate 22 million dollars to the World Wildlife Funds to protect and help the elephants before the 22ed or 23ed off august. Walking around with these amounts off money doesn’t make you a normal person. We all need understanding. There is also nothing that we should or can do for you because there is no use if you can buy everything already. Just donate the money and become one off us again. This is not an ultimatum at all. I am not dangerous. It is a hiving and honest advice and I sent it via the mailbox that is on your temporary website. The postmen only rings twice.

I will write some things about the wagering war now. You will have to face it and entertain only these troops that return as soon as noon or moon. You are a very important person. The Father of the bills knows that there is no maid scent masticate in making war at all. Actually it is a milking motorcycle, it may run fop free and fine but you can’t keep it running. You’ll get lost. Neither did it bring America anywhere and it has always been that way, financially and radically. Let’s say the most were just firing the rounds and rambles but someday their children will dream dirty and dandy again. Put them into your arms. Help stop the violence. Only sheep need a leader. It is not your responsibility but it is a good job and many can join you like Christina Aguilera.

Writing you all this I presume that your management has read it and it is fully understood and that you have the chance to communicate with me. Britney, you will not be too blame for your outrageous behavior anyway. Just don’t miss the boat if you want to make waves. In trustee Texas there is not any Cannabis law. All we know for sure is in the 22 amendments of human rights. Please read them if you didn’t already. I try to support you but as you can see you have to make it all by yourself. Many things have gone wrong and even the ‘Presidents of the USA’ are not to blame. ‘Just don’t blow it’ is the only crunchy cliché that cuts the crap in this miraculous moment. In most cities Cannabis has now been downgraded from a Class B to a Class C drug but it is still an offence to smoke cannabis in public. It is like drinking on the streets. When people feel that they can’t do what they want they protest and loose trust and tenderness or health. Some don’t workout so well and get all tied up. ‘I don’t know what to do with myself’ is shot on the edge of a razor blade like ‘Fort Apocalypse Now’ from Oliver Stone with Dennis Hopper.

I saw your pictures on the screen. You look good. The maximum jail sentence for being caught in possession of cannabis has been reduced from 5 to 2 years, but the maximum sentence for supplying the drug is still fourteen years. You will be penalized especially if you are found smoking it near a school or if you smoke it in front of the police but it just is not a big deal if you don’t sell. But if you want to sell clothes you are dealing with it. Pot Prisoners Cost Americans $1 Billion a Year. 12.7 percent of state inmates and 12.4 percent of federal inmates incarcerated for drug violations are serving time for marijuana offenses.

The subject off our substantial swoon is to create and cocoon new ways for you. The second is that you will be performing for the ‘retrieving troops’ among all the other gigs to speed up the returns. We will create circumstances that suit your and our needs.

In the 22 amendments for human rights you can clearly see how these rights have been severely scolded and it is a real good job as long as the troops return. In Iraq or Syria one barrel of oil may be worth one barrel of drinking water and it has been this way for many years. But the valuable goodies are fruits, specimens, salt & pepper, corn, coal, beans, coconuts, flowers, steel, sugar, social services and carbons or plastics.

Many stars blow. The photosynthetic aspects of cannabis make it a hot helper in media management and design, wear and where international, intergalactic, interactive and intersexual measures come to mind besides the fashion, fizzles and features. Any allure actor looking in the mirror may open his eyes because it took some courage to get the Lion off Zion out of Africa, like Hannibal crossed the sea with his Enormous Elephants and walked the Hybrid Himalaya to the Hookers off Calibrera.

Dedication, design, dignity, dégagé for the brisk, barracuda, beluga barbecue, scoop the camera and a milking Martini on the rocks or the whole whore Bacardi brand family. So, make yourself comfortable and take a little nutty nip. Don’t drink it. So we may be on a little mission this time and when Britney, you are on tour, our first aim is your safety, even the police is concerned and we can make a profit from that, the second target is fun, entertainment and success. The police searched you and you are caught on camera. We consider it the worsted thing that could happen too you in your next curious campaign.

‘I do not believe that anyone should be treated like a criminal because they choose to smoke marijuana.’

‘The second best thing besides having a gig is smoking some pod and I’m having an orgasm here.’

‘There is something that has to be cleared now. Communism should mean community and socialism a society again.’

‘United States indeed maintains diplomatic relations with Myanmar, although for 15 years it has had no ambassador there, only a chargé d'affaires.’

In “Hooters” a guy asks Holly Madison for a Martini and two small shallots. The Hooter girl thinks its rather strange and she asks her working friend about it. "Well the client is a king so give the man his onions, she laughs." The dude sticks the shallots behind the ears, drinks the Martini, removes the onions and pays the bash bill. The next guy wants some shallots too now. "We don't have them anymore" she says. "Ok, give me two cucumber then, not so big." He sticks them in his ears and drinks the Martini. She rolls right at it and wants to know why he does this. "Well, you told me you don't have any shallots, right?"

London, 07 Mar 2007 - A British grandmother who used cannabis to alleviate depression and pain was Wednesday fined 1,000 pounds (1,930 dollars) and ordered to do 250 hours of community service. Sixty-eight-year-old Patricia Tabram defended herself at the trial at Carlisle Crown Court in northern Britain was found guilty of possessing and cultivating the drug which is classified an illegal substance in Britain.

‘I'm still going to smoke a little cannabis. No justice has been done.’

‘Why do we speak about mental health off these prisoners that should be set free?’

Cannabis laws contain two kinds off laws, medical laws and these for the common white widow but all these substances occur even in humans without using cannabis. Two of the most common pesticides being used are Malathion. It is all very confusing but convincing please take notice. Malathon EC and Malathion ULV are swapped or confused among others. Malathion seems more a medical thing now but Orpheus (opium), Morpheus (morfine) and Jesus (cannabis) used malathion. Avid is also regular cannabis. Like the avid editing systems we all use it every day. Avid is quit popular and most states and parties can be convinced to allow it. It is the white widow or hash we smoke and eat for a cheap price. If it is clean and proportional you can get a ‘Medical approved’ certificate from the AMA. Cannabis hempseeds contain all the essential amino acids and essential fatty acids necessary to maintain healthy human life. Even though it is stated marijuana use does negatively affect schizophrenics, this casts no light on the effects of cannabis or non-schizophrenics. It is not healthy either and you have to sport to handle cannabis. Malathion is considered dangerous and the policy is don't spray your yard for bugs and then take medications. Until we have more data on potential interactions in humans, safe is better than sorry. But like this it takes ages to get a hemp products to our clients so it should be more legal. Hence, this is no media policy it is a wise opinion.

The California Cannabis Research Medical Group is a non-profit organization dedicated to educating physicians about the medical use of cannabis. Proposition 215 was a proposition in the state of California on the November 5, 1996 ballot. It passed with 5,382,915 (55.6%) votes in favor and 4,301,960 (44.4%) against.

It is our task now to make it clear that medical marijuana does not know any limitations at all. Texas state has no cannabis laws at all and it supports all the 22 amendments. California is the next state that should also have no Cannabis laws. Ninety nine percent of prosecutions are in the state courts so it's really important to focus on chaining state laws. ‘The National Organization for the Reform of Marijuana Laws’ and ‘The American Medical Association’ or ‘ American Medical Marijuana Association’ must support your actions and ‘advice’ but they can’t because you are in the media.

What can you say? I tried to give you a hand but we will have to improvise too. Don’t make it last longer than I did with ‘The Mistress of Spices’ and only say one tiny thing at a time.

The totals are the highest ever recorded by the FBI, and make up 42.6 percent of all drug arrests in the United States. A recent study done by AMA suggests that contaminated cannabis is being sold by California dispensaries, possibly on a fairly widespread basis. In Holland we have legalized ‘coffee shops’ to sell marihuana, if the shopkeeper sells to minors the police closes the shop. It is a start because farmers and sellers feel it is there responsibility to come with righteous stuff and they ask a certificate for example.

Britney, you will get a bucket off boogie within several months again. What you need is a UB40 or SB30 or whatever is it called? Just ask for the regular help team or person and say you want to make your own choices. This is a human right and it is the only democratic right there is except for the amendments and commercial laws. If you don’t do this you will not succeed in building your own ‘character’ we can love and ‘touch’ stealing your stardom. It is something that goes far beyond.

LONDON 20 Oct 2006 - Singer George Michael has got himself into trouble with various health and charity organizations after he was filmed smoking cannabis on TV. In a program telecast on ITV, Michael is shown lighting up cannabis joint and saying, ‘This stuff keeps me sane and happy.’ New Yorkers will celebrate Easter next week without the latest artistic-religious provocation: a full-scale, naked Jesus sculptured out of chocolate. The Catholic Church reacted with such vehemence about the planned exhibit that the gallery in central Manhattan - located in the Roger Smith Hotel - was forced to cancel the April 1 to 7 window displays by the proprietor. Don’t talk about religion on the streets, just visit a talk show or give me a call and say anything nice.

Hospitals and nursing homes aren't doing enough to protect patients from serial killers on staff, according to a new report that calls for major changes in the way medical centers operate. In the first tally of its kind, researchers have linked more than 2,100 suspicious deaths worldwide to 54 doctors and nurses convicted of serial murder or lesser charges since 1970, according to an article on the ‘Journal of Forensic Sciences' website. The problem is bigger than anyone would like to think. Medical centers nuke the need to review their staff's performance long after they are hired, says Lucian Leape, adjunct professor at the Harvard School of Public Health and co-author of a 1999 report that found that up to 98,000 Americans a year die from medical errors.

St Luke's Hospital Kidney Center in Bethlehem, PA is one off the places with the best results. This is not what you find on ‘Pirate Bay’ http://www.chem-tox.com/malathion/research/#heart about it. Search the text for ‘Bethlehem’ please. This is why the laws get terminated.

This could become your first little steps. Suddenly this fixture of show business — one of its hardest-working, albeit obscure, artists became something else: a kind of celebrity. Visibility brought newfound admiration to a behind-the-scenes star and his rather invisible industry off cannabis.

Britney, you are the voice of god but also use Dr. Leonard George’s advice.

‘Studies can tell us about the cause-and-effect relations between the correlated terms. Perhaps cannabis worsens schizophrenia, or chronic schizophrenics are a more likely leisure for the public policy on recreational drugs. It is all based on understanding emotion. The crack complex contexts of social structures, the booming blistering biological, pre-mature and psychological blooms and dooms in a international intermezzo. It is intergalactical! Without cannabis we will all fly to the moon. I try my own marijuana now and a third factor affects both cannabis use and schizophrenia. I workout every day.’

Many solutions for legalization can be found in the twin themes. Twinning, double, dykers, wannabees, clones and DNA or simply Twins like Arnold Schwarzenegger and Danny DeVito in ‘Twins’ (1988). We will have to get Arnold and Danny acting together again. Schwarzengger has always been smoking pod.

In 2005 we raised thousands of dollars for hurricane relief by auctioning personal items. Michael Jackson also offered his help. One of the items, a jewel-encrusted bra, was bid up to $47,000 despite an auction that ended early. The Spears undergarment was first removed by Ebay because it violated the site's rule against selling used underwear. This time we built the clothing and styling from scratch like a real burlesque troop. If someone throws a sexy shirt on the stage during your gig you wear it. You throw back stage and we make it a little smaller fast so you can wear it. If someone gives you this kinky Pearl G-string you wear it. It is really interactive. The tailor is in the house so you can have it all checked and chopped before you put it on. Your lofty locks flock to a fetch and hefty price again. With this metamorphoses you sing a spiffy for any audience and the teenage fan club. It all has the glam and glance from this classical crap with ‘I’m not a girl’. Besides you found some screaming support from ‘Jenna and her jingles’ or acts like ‘Sly Stone and the Soakers’. You are leering the laughter as you look like sixteen sparkling springs. The ‘White-Stripes’ cover ‘Fell in love with a Boy’ might get you somewhere. Madonna claimed Christina touting a trio with her crouching current man Jordan Bratman. Christina Aguilera would have offered Dallas Austin, the shaggy music producer a tootsie trio sexsession. He ‘blamed’ Joss Stone that she sells to the devil offering her naked body for sex. That is why it is very important that if you do any, your sexual escapades must be a part of your performance from the start but now it is all “interactive”. Madonna sold over 250 million.

Britney, sell all the Sassafras, Slackers and Strives and show us you have what it takes. Now you are published as a stripster. The Anti Smoke foundation was furious about these photographs of Jayden when he plays with cigarettes. Next year you have to launch on the next Rocketing Royal Concert in ‘the Wembley Stadium’. George Michael sang 13 minutes more and had to pay a fee from 193.108 euros, that is 14.854 euro for any minute he sang over time. The rules were strict and clear so he pays with a smile.

Now Joss Stone had this score with producer Dallas Austin from Girls Aloud with a 'Walk This Way’s original. Austin worked with ‘Michael Jackson’, ‘Madonna’, ‘Anastacia’ and ‘TLC’. Sarah, Nicola, Kimberley, Cheril and Nadine ‘Run DMC’ as Girls Aloud. It was the first rap act to have a music video played on MTV and their self-titled debut album was the first rap album to go gold. ‘Walk this way’ was a raprock retro performed with Aerosmith members Steven Tyler and Joe Perry. The group with Joseph 'DJ Run' Simmons and Darryl 'D.M.C.' McDaniels added Jason 'Jam-Master Jay' Mizell and set new trends by performing dressed in tight leather pants and jackets, Adidas sneakers, chains and Fedora hats. All groups make soundscapes that sample Jefferson Starship's "We Built This City". Joss will be performing her brand new single Tell Me What We're Gonna Do Now and having a chat with Richard & Judy on Tues, 24th August.

‘She's Madonna’ is the 3th single Robbie Williams offers out his Rudebox. Manu Chao started this rogue retro that must meander into this vogue vanity. It was great that the Dutch Dyker Fedde le Grand was asked to roxy a remix for "Bongo Bongo" but it takes some time to tango because the chickies must get chappy with it and skirt and score there scoopies on the streets. Zipping there zombies and get zonked but not zoomed by paparazzi or police. Spring is sprinkling and it is just no more fun to stay in the stunts anymore.

So I Guess she Gracely Gambles in some whore widgets as long as she can make her own dandy. The ‘Soul Kitchen’ of the Soaking Stone left her little friend Beau Dozier for what he is worth but she insists that her skimpy schedule skipped him too....

Run to your lovers to do some more yoga and hip the halter helpers. For now the mowing music chains ‘Mary, Missy and the smokers’ and the merry game is easily etching the ‘Man on the street’ with the hovering harmonica and the horny honey hiving the throttling tom-tom timbales on his boogie breaking back. Hence the Motorola walkie-talkie mobile phones it is a good investment and commercial. Sly Stone could make it on the streets. Get a shivering belled shoe and your Scottish Shining Scissor Suede Skirts seem sundering and swift and it is this minimal minim that holds the bangles on this bouncing banjo styling a misty measure on a beat with a silvering slammer rearing the rollers.

Are we all Juice and Jill now? Try to create a nice moment and realize what a visit from Brian May could mean to us. He studied until the day I was born from 1971 to 1974 about the reflection off light from space dust. It was all based on the big bang. Now he has become the master off the universe. It would be better to ask for his help than to become a hastily hazard. What are we all fantastically fantasying for? Could someone please help us out here? Do you wear a ring? A rubber ring around my swapping swelly that is if you hear me talking about the only jiving ‘jewel’ that a flattering flirter frames these days to be loved without having a fight. How can a modest man complete this concurrence like fashionable satin sandy skirts, chiffon corsetry and luxurious lingerie? The rosily romantic nurturing nymphs wager there weight and sell there sipping sink.

Maddam Tusseau is the wax blaxpoitation of your appearance. I found a beautiful one on this page http://www.gobritney.com/. You have the sultra shiva shranks and you look a little like the girly mistress off the spices yourself. Jameson is also noted for her relative success in crossing over into mainstream celebrity, starting with a minor role in Howard Stern 's 1997 film Private Parts. Jameson directed her first film, The Provocateur, released as Jenna's Provocateur in September of 2006. Joseph Corre and Serena Rees opened the first Agent Provocateur shop in December 1994 Corre is the son of British fashion designer Vivienne Westwood and Sex Pistols' ex-manager, Malcolm McLaren. Celebrities like Paris Hilton, Christina Aguilera, Kate Moss and Carmen Electra are among their clients. You can see the story in ‘Sid and Nancy’. Her multimaid merchandising and mainstream media are ‘obscene’. Howard Stern brings out Porky’s.

For 2007, Jameson signed up to play quarterback in the Lingerie Bowl. The insurance company dazed damaging concerns. She will instead act as commentator. In 1995, Jameson sent photos of herself to radio host Howard Stern. You all do. She became a regular guest on his show, appearing more than 30 times. Stern also put her in his semi-autobiographical 1997 film Private Parts, where she played "Mandy", the "First Nude Woman on Radio", reflecting those appearances.

In February 2003, Pony International planned to feature her as one of several porn stars in advertisements for athletic shoes. This was attacked by Bill O'Reilly of Fox News in an editorial called "Using Quasi-Prostitutes to Sell Sneakers". In April 2006, Jameson was the star of a Video Podcast ad for Adidas. In January of 2007, Jameson was reported in talks with producers on turning her autobiography into a movie, with Scarlett Johansson to play Jameson. You will support Pony and Adidas along porn models you might choose. It is just another photo shoot spreading your wings, opening your eyes.

On June 22, 2006, Playboy Enterprises Inc. announced the acquisition of Club Jenna Inc., in conjunction with personal service agreements by both Jameson and Gardina. Playboy CEO Christine Hefner sees all the fun coming in 30 features in the first year and more for Mandy Moore. Mandy Moore's angel face attracted man she couldn't handle. She interrupted a concert in Manhattan to grumble: "Guys Suck!"

On November 1, 2006, Playboy renamed one of the Spice Network's pay-per-view channels from The Hot Network to Club Jenna. July 2006, Jenna Jameson became the first pornographic actress again to have a wax model at Madame Tussauds in the Las Vegas museum.

Cherry Pie (1994, Sin City Video) – was her first heterosexual film. You can read about many things on http://www.answers.com/topic/jenna-jameson.

One off my favorite actresses is Milla Jovovich, she plays in Resident Evil. She is the daughter off ‘Nosferatu’. Please look it up it if you didn’t because it may be off importance. Did you meet her Britney?

The strongest super bowl commercial is PEPSI with you Britney, Beyonce, Pink, and Queen singing We Will Rock You. Was that Brian May sitting in the audience! There is that curly guy. I am a big fan. Please invite him for a dinner or something and ask him if he likes to play something. He is also very good in helping you out with all kinds off things In 2003 and again in 2006 the Centre for Science and Environment (CSE), a non-governmental organization in New Delhi, found that soda drinks produced by manufacturers in India, including both Pepsi and Coca-Cola, had dangerously high levels of pesticides in their drinks. Iran state television broadcast anti-Pepsi propaganda, saying that the PEPSI letters stood for Pay Each Penny Save Israel. PepsiCo has a bottling plant in Iran.

I am walking the wades cause I’m having a dinner with my friend Joost. He is a nice person. We don’t have sex at all. The splendid sappho is that the Pepsi and Coco Cola bottles should all be published with cannabis technnology for a while. No kidding it is just the coolest thing. Pepsi would ne my first pick. This is not such an easy thing to do so get the shepherd, Brian over your house or let it be and another one bites the dust. I’ll think off you too.

When ‘the ginger girls’ were fourteen, bandleader Johnny Otis had them audition and they sang an answer to Hank Ballard's "Work With Me, Annie" one of the first real Rock’n Roll songs. But the dream didn’t break true. Queen said ‘Open your eyes and see’ and that was pretty much how we all think rock and roll music made it to heaven. It is just a posed pussy, a silver slut or some pledged penis caught in a golden ring on the cover off a comic. Slavery and hard labor lushes the lonely along the roads and rails and we will need to see more ‘unchained’ woman in construction jobs to pay the depths or doubts we all have.

With "Roll With Me Henry" (Henry Rollins) Etta James received her first professional vocal training at the age of five, from James Earle Hines. Etta James was born to an unmarried 16-year-old African American mother. She claimed that her mother told her that her father was Rudolph "Minnesota Fats” Wanderone. James named her vocal group ‘The Peaches’. And the last one was for James with ‘At last’. It is still rocking the radio every day with Christina Anguilera, Kenny G, Joss Stone, Lady Marmelade and so many more. In the ‘sound off music’ vivid violins touch the tender tones and eave the ears with ‘Edelweis’ and well, it is still one off the most moving tracks for many woman and it straws the strings of the cheep and chap ‘JUNO’ jostle jives, the keyboards fakers we use to create dance-music and it might come in handy again to trigger the real thing and shape studio sounds with a greatest groove. I make music.

The book was written by Howard Lindsay and Russel Crouse. They based the holly history on the Austrian ‘Von Trapp’ family like it bleached by Maria von Trapp in her book ‘The Story of the Trapp Family Singers’ released in 1949. She describes there flee from Salzburg to the States after ‘the Anschluss’ in 1938 and Adolf Hitler acclaimed the ‘Polish Corridor’. There house was acclaimed by Himmler but they got away in time.

The family von Trapp from Austria has been spotted several times in ‘Warmond’ in Leiden where they duck the drifters from Germany. The very musical and mammal family cheered us up and we all know now thanks to ‘Miep Smitsloo’. She made a book about 'Het Tolhuysch' what I will never read without a good reason.

Mozart was born in Salzburg and he moved to ‘Roermond’ in the south of the Netherlands because he could fuck Cleopatra’s ‘cha cha cha’ overhere. In the year 53 Julias Caesar ‘let it bleed’ and he beated and captured a ‘German Tribe’ with 50.000 man. His troops where murdereing for two years and the Eurobones were all cleaned except for one little village…. Ambiorix escaped and the German Tribes that slept on the west banks off the Rhine were submitted for four centuries by a centurion and ‘Limburg’ was a Roman Realm. Julius Ceasar liked ‘Roermond’ and it was nice and easy and not rave and Rome. Cleopatra who was very font of Ceasar in these days sharing Myanmar’s secrets invited Julius Caesar for dinner and had the servants made ‘aspergillus’ with ‘mirre’ just like the poor farmers had in Limburg. You might wonder how ‘Aspergillus’ looks and you can see it in the hippy cranks with all these shimmering acid signs and peace buttons.

Once I met this fatty ugly girl in the inner city and I ordered a taxi and took her to my room because she wanted it. She cheered me up and did a good job. She was so ugly I just couldn’t get it in her but it felt so nice that she had sucked my thingie. The next morning she was not happy and she wanted to talk and probably that was the only good reason why nothing more happened the other night. These very normal things are very valuable and if you don’t rock the boat, you don’t make waves. I happened to give her another hug and some advice. It is just like the Presidents off the USA. They are unique for playing a 3 string guitar and 2 string bass. Lead vocalist and basemaker Chris Ballew has also worked on many projects besides PUSA.

ADVERTS that claim depression is caused by a chemical imbalance and fabricants that claim antidepressants correct it are false and should be banned, say two mental health specialists and this is just an top off an iceberg. Oxygen is the most valuable void. In ‘Sálmacis’ a hermaphrodite invertebrates like a Centaur or Mermaid. Generally one anemone contains a 'harem', consisting of a large female, a smaller reproductive male, and even smaller non-reproductive males or whatever you want to believe. The hermaphrodite I set as an example is called ‘Schizophrenia’ but renember man and woman write different things for roaming reasons.

We don’t really like it when someone has both pistillate overy and pollen or seeds, it is more a stigma. Practice makes perfect and we all like to keep things simple and working. Nosferatu put the Nepenthes Villosa, a species of carnivorous plant, on his tainted table as a furious fly catcher. He was standing on the edge of a razorblade that day. He needed a ‘Gilette’ gazelle, he was gash and gangster and wanted to be understood like when you find your ‘self’ in this scrunched scoop but forget that many will not see this humor and knowledge, only the horror remained. So reading my ridiculous riddiculem I suggest we consider Nosferatu should also be the writer of this letter.

I also made an easy rock’nroll translation from a very famous Dutch rock’nroll tune ‘Kom van dat dak af’ just to get into the mood with ‘Peter Koelewijn’ our famous music producer here. This is a translation off the song by me.

Get off that roof, ain't telling no more no, no, no Get off that roof, ain't telling no more Get off that roof, I'm walking out the door

Jan Janssen's wife was a dancing on a wire she didn't get tied up and she was for hire The soulfood slammed and Jan Janssen was hot and hay in the steets they heard him say

Jan Jannsen got mad max and sad said his tax get off the roof or lay down on the wax His ginger girl was so wet and wild all day but in the streets the rumbles stay

Like the song this letter is not so hard to handle at all. It starts simple things such as songs about Peaches or an old man on a backporch, subsonic bass, snappy beats, electronic hiccups, 10 Marshall-stacked AC/DC riffs.

‘Take me to a station’ Mick Jagger keeps it simple and eliminates expectations and all the depressive blues lyrics from Robert Johnson and his posse. Hear it coming with ‘I just can’t get enough’ or ‘Biology’ from Girls Aloud. In ‘Crossroads’ Steve Vai plays his guitar grooves. He worked for Frank Zappa for a long time. Robert Johnson has this devilish guitar sound. Ralph Macchio is the guitar hero. Tim Russ from star trek plays Robert Johnson and Jami Gertz is the girl. She also plays in ‘Lost Boys’ so that is two crick cult films. She made her dafty debut along Tom Cruise. She also plays ‘Shark’.

In the kingdom of the Lion we find snakes, worms and a slow stach stackola steamrol snail slacker, sense silly and skunk taking its ‘house’ like the nasty nomads nailed among the nix and a burlesque bee bhuda binky taking the troops to Lima. These tipsy troops are considered to be brave busy beautiful and burlesque and they may even have ‘Shilling Shooters’ a ‘Peacock Pettycoat’, ‘Tattoo Titties’ and sell there body for a breath of bread.

The paps paradox is that the perfect being has lost the reefer rat race to Rambo, Rane, Rain and the runchybunch. We don’t really like it when someone has both pistillate overy and pollen or seeds, it is more a stigma. Practice makes perfect and inbetween we like to keep things simple and working. Nosferatu put the Nepenthes Villosa, a species of carnivorous plant, on his tainted table as a furious fly catcher. He was standing on the edge of a razorblade that day. A ‘Gilette’ gazelle gash and gangster just wanted to be understood like he finds his ‘self’ in this scrunched scoop but he forgets that many will not see his humor and knowledge, only the horror remained. So reading my ridiculous riddiculem I suggest we consider Nosferatu is the writer.

Pimp me Up! Britney how often do you shave your hair? I like to see your hair to grow as long as ‘Raponsels’ braids. Dont’t shave your hiving head silly stumper. If you want to provoke just fuck some iron maidens off stage or something. Call Jenna. The real fans won’t be ashamed. Well anyway, it was your very own hair. Why don’t you make me a little lucky and sent me one from your new hair. I want to sent you one too. Some voodoo will do. The most important thing is being happy. Relax.

President Bush has also worked to improve healthcare and modernize Medicare, providing the first-ever prescription drug benefit for seniors; increase homeownership, especially among minorities; conserve our environment; and increase military strength, pay, and benefits. President Bush is married to Laura Welch Bush, a former teacher and librarian, and they have twin daughters, Barbara and Jenna. How could this all have happened?

And now listen to this: Jade Sheena Jezebel Jagger is having a twin within a few years and I like it. Lesbian girls put on a short skirt and smoke some pod because eventually it is all about being free and have the right to fuck a sweet man for a sweet picture. Something is always going wrong....it is all in "In-A-Gadda-Da-Vida" by Iron Butterfly about the symmetry from Ravel’s Boléro, Smoke on the Water with Ritchie Blackmore and Whole Lotta Love with Jimmy Page that still starts the ‘Top of the Pops’ leader in the UK.

From AD 1800 to 2000, the human population increased from one to six billion. Human remains are easily taxed 1.9 million years ago and the big bang was 4.6 billion years ago for example. Most humans (61%) live in Asia. The vast majority of the remainders live in the Americas (14%), Africa (13%) and Europe (12%) with 0.5% in Oceania.

Humans are eukaryotic species. Each diploid cell has two sets of 23 chromosomes, each set received from one parent. There are 22 pairs of autosomes and one pair of sex chromosomes. By present estimates, humans have approximately 20,000–25,000 genes. Like other mammals, humans have an XY sex-determination system, so that females have the sex chromosomes XX and males have XY. The X chromosome is larger and carries many genes not on the Y chromosome, which means that recessive diseases associated with X-linked genes, such as hemophilia, affect men more often than women. So there are 23 chromosomes twentytwo autosomes and one pair of genitals. It is like the curves on a beer crone they have 23 cuts. It is all a quack off crap.

Phloem is in the sugared juice d’Orange and is like our own bloody blood. Earth has 1.8 million species and space sounds great but it is no big deal. We just did a reasonable job of describing what we saw. The fact remains that an average teaspoon hash oil bears millions of micro-organisms that have never been counted or named.

Agent Orange combines equal parts of 2,4-D or dichlorophenoxyacetic acid and 2,4,5-T that is trichlorophenoxyacetic acid both now banned in the USA. We should stop these meiosis mineral measures immediately. The ondansetron (Zofran) or granisetron (Kytril) beats the subtherapeutic doses of metoclopramide and opens a wide range of possibilities. The combination of dexamethasone and a 5-HT3 receptor antagonist prevents acute vomiting some say.

Cannabis is more than the Mona Lisa with a large reefer between her lips, clients of the Smoky Boat offer a cozy picture of peace, playing backgammon and sipping juice between puffs from cigarettes laced with hashish or marijuana. It is fashion, medicine, candy, shampoo and even plastics can be produced.

There is a war on oil, a quarrel for a barrel and a stance about drugs like Marijuana and it is about time that we all face the truth. Health organizations, advertisers, and sellers should make a syndicate, not the army or the police.

The problems with cannabis advertising are the traffic rates. But close examinations view that many others laws have been violated when accidents happen. For example the victim was in a bad condition, the work time ratio was exceeded extreme and there were more problems like alcohol and other problems. Cannabis is often used has an anaesthetizer like medicine do.

Some time ago I “geeked” that Ricci's biggest fan website was shut down by its owner because miss Lopez had worn reindeer fur on a recent cover of W magazine, a move that landed her on PETA ‘People for Ethnical Treatment of Animals’ placed her on the Worst Dressed list.

I hate it when social platforms make commercial moves. Leisure Fashion King ‘Lacroix’ was simply seamless and hypocrite when he flaunty admitted that he likes fur.

Jennifer Lopez, the beautiful and fur actress/singer had her ‘Rebirth’ some time ago. Terrorism is that she is about to become the next victim off this ‘Ethical Treatment’ herself as she wears so much fur and uses it extensively in her new line of clothes ‘Sweetface’.

For now this star had to join the take-no-prisoners activists that were stationed outside Virgin Records in Times Square in Manhattan. They show horrific film footage of animals being skinned alive in China. They edited images of Lopez swathed in fur from her latest video. We have to do something about it.

Cindy Crawford once had this big score and she said. ‘I’d rather go naked than wear fur’. Until we find better solutions I will suggest Jennifer to make such a stunning stance as well. Take the advice if you didn’t already. Can you make these commercials on sneakers for Pony International and Adidas? It is a good scoop and you win twice and share the dice.

Britney means female. It is also from Brittany. You were born in Mississippi or Lousiana on 2 December 1981. In 1999 ‘She was just seventeen’ you scored the number one single ‘Baby one more time’ in the US and UK. Your shows and performance are an example for all of us now. Your sign is Sagittarius. Mine is a lion.

Austin powers is your best monstermovie setup. It is funny and fashionable. Do you still see Mike Myers? ‘Goldmember’ is a loose parody of the James Bond movie Goldfinger and sold about $288 million in movie tickets worldwide. ‘The Mickey Mouse Club’ is the cinderella club. Mindy Sterling is the mother off the makers. Rob Lowe and Heather Gragam should be informed.

In a September 2003 interview with Tucker Carlson of CNN about the Iraq War you happened to say ‘Honestly, I think we should just trust our president in every decision he makes and should just support that, you know, and be faithful in what happens.’ The footage of this quote later appeared in Michael Moore’s documentary Fahrenheit 9/11. Joan Jett makes a documentary to show how bush manipulates the viewers. Please take a stance – for peace. Not against Mr. Bush but for peace.

One of your managers, Larry Rudolph has told People magazine you were ‘doing fine’. Sent him some flowers or anything nice and cheap. That’s a good one. Only one manager can inform the media but it has to be comunicated among the others. Why is he out the team? Just tell him to lay it low if he is tube talking to much. Does he make music?

It was the simple song and video ‘I’m not a girl’ that made you the Queen of teen, at least here in the Netherlands. The ballad 'Sometimes' was good and it reminds me off Chris Isaak. 'Crazy' was the best transatlantic hit. It may not flame your fair but you score better in spring and this is not only due the quality off the tracks. It is the teenager thing. Producing rock music will widen your range faster but electro dance is also cool. I am 32 and my birthday is within a few weeks. I still behave like a teenager. I’m practicing on my electric guitar again now to play a rock band for fun. I sing along with You Tube.

‘Born To Make You Happy' topped the UK charts in January 2000. We couldn’t get enough when we heard ‘Oops! ... I Did It Again’. It is also a real good video. Did you know some people who joined the Army and NASA have placed bombs and toxic waste in the desert? Later they put on seal safety suits or spastic space suits and they got these stones out of the drake area. Such a pretentious person is called an astronaut but in my opinion these people are supposed to be real investigators that are concerned about nature and nurture. The suits protect from the desert heat and sand storms. When the rocks are investigated in a ‘regular’ lab it are such remarkable stones that they can be considered alien. It is also called ‘Rolling Stones’. But ‘Toxic’ is the right word. The best criminals or dumb dwellers sell them as moonstones for millions. It is an old dirty trick and it happens for ages and wages. In ancient allure it was also done. By the way, I like the blue outfit in toxic!

The clap cover version of (I Can't Get No) Satisfaction was also a welcome gift for many old and young fans. Cher is still goodlooking but she also got herself in trouble many times. In this school video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QYIhSXk2Qi0 I thought you were a little low and lagging but it could just have been me.

We made a small TV magazine ‘Rauwkost’ here in Utrecht City. Sometimes it was great fun. I also did some design and a lot off editing. There are many creative scenes and little sketches in the magazine. I am a jobseeker now but today I had a nice message in the mail again so I hope that is a start. I just coudn’t get to work lately. I started writing and reading in Dutch and English. I plan to move to France. I did it all to make a new start this spring but now it is my birthday.

If you dig I help you workout ideas for your shows and videos. The good thing about me is that you can tell and ask me anything! If you want to see some kind off dance moves I look them up on YouTube and make you an edit, etc. Like that we can make stylesheets, moodboards, samples, or what you like. Maybe you look for some chords, I can write them down or create a little riff. I did this before and it worked out fine. I just recorded my acoustic guitar and hummed. The composer worked it all out and he thought it was real good. I just started playing guitar again so I hope it won’t take to long to level. I also play some piano, bass, drums and computers.

We start from scratch with my Athlon 933 and build it all up in no time. It is real cheap and very good, ha ha. I’m also looking for a new job as an editor again to get me somewhere this summer. I’m getting lonely here in my room.

I understand that you have the opportunity to hire the best, but I am attending and I grow every day now and I am willing to contribute for you. This means that we can have a lot off fun and fizzles for free. It is all international, isch and ozz and it is such a great opportunity for me to make something off my life this summer.

I would like to give you more gay and lesbian info you can use for your performances but the letter is getting long. Just ask me anything you need to know and I will write it down, if I can. I also practice singing so I want to bike to my work. It will take some years to make a start on stage. For now I only do oooooh and aaaaah and little lines at home or at the rehearsal. I also want to record one video clip – just a registration to put on my home page. I can work with computer software like photoshop, avid and after effects though it was a while ago it will just take a few days. I wrote some lyrics already. I whish you all the best and it is great to get some responds at all. I just hope you don’t doubt my talents and I get a chance to proof it someday. The picture on the website is great gloves and an alternative allure. Do you guys listen Jimmy Buffett and Dean Martin? Martin limited his live performances to Las Vegas and Atlantic City. He had claustrophobia and was locking himself in the elevator of a tall building and riding up and down for hours until he was no longer panic-stricken.

A pirate is stuck in the jungle but he catches a parrot and they decide to cheer up. When he wakes up against the big mango tree the parrot flutters falloping. "A girl" he screeches. The pirate takes his sable and stands on his wooden leg as he tries to tweak the parrot. "A ginger girl, come on heads high, whinny chin, fine woman." After all the parrot sits on a tree. "There she is!” The pirate straightens his eyelap. "I'm not a girl. I'm not a girl" His parrot friend almost falls down his slapstick as he doubles up for the next chuckle: "Ain't that hot body amazing?" —Preceding unsigned comment added by Martijn Fransen (talk • contribs) 22:01, 23 July 2007
 * Thanks to Studerby for wrapping that!!
 * Martijn, I don't know if you are yet up to speed with what Wikipedia is about, but in case you are not, I will post a "welcome template" on your talk page and you can have a look at the pages to which it links. I will assume that you are just a bit misguided about Wikipedia and are not trying to wind us up here, but what you have posted here has absolutely no place anywhere on WP, except perhaps WP:BJAODN.  Adrian  M. H.  21:15, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

Request reality check on claim of personal attack
I am in a discussion with User:Edgarde at his talk page regarding my perception that he has engaged in personal attacks towards me and at least one other editor. He has stated, "don't see this as a personal attack." I am asking for your assistance on clearing this up. I am concerned that my ability to see things straight is blinded by my emotions. Thanks for your assistance, —WikiLen 21:30, 23 July 2007 (UTC)
 * The comment isn't even close to being a personal attack - the advice given in the No Personal Attacks policy about commenting on content instead of conduct does not equate to saying that all comments on user conduct are by definition personal attacks. Addhoc 21:39, 23 July 2007 (UTC)
 * By way of a second opinion, in case it is needed, I concur with Addhoc's assessment. Neither the comments nor the edit summary could in any way be deemed to be a form of personal attack. It is probably, as you have acknowledged, a case of being too close and subject to the influence of prior dispute.  Adrian  M. H.  22:05, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

North East England
Username = Hunnam

I do not see how other links can be kept on yet mine cannot, my site gives information about the North East unlike other sites listed.

Is there some reason why I am being singled out, a site I added has more information than a similar site that has been left on and my site was mentioned in the local papers.

I do feel I am being singled out here. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Hunnam (talk • contribs) 18:11, 24 July 2007
 * If http://www.ne-forum.co.uk is the link you are referring to, the site is a forum and forums are usually discouraged as per External links guidelines. Please read these guidelines, specifically the Links normally to be avoided section, for more information. — Dorvaq (talk) 18:12, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

No its not at all but I have tried adding various sites to see if they get removed and they all have, the site provided information and pictures. There are a few sites similar to mine that were added after my site was added and have less users and less information, could this be racism. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Hunnam (talk • contribs)

Allegations of racism are misplaced and assume bad faith. Are you saying that it's not the forum listed above? Which site is being removed from where?

The Rhymesmith 21:40, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
 * (EC) Racism??!!! Please do not level baseless and misguided accusation against Wikipedia or any of its editors. There are policies/guidelines that ask you not to do things like that. Two things to bear in mind: 1) Most good WP editors are strict about external links and 2) different editors apply different degrees of latitude. That's assuming that an editor who checks and removes links that they deem inappropriate has even seen your addition. Please remember to sign, by the way. It is annoying to have to add unsigned so often.  Adrian  M. H.  21:44, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
 * I would invite the requester to review the guidance provided on what to expect from assistance &mdash; recklessly playing the race card or raising the spectre of Godwin's Law might get you a denial of any further assistance. --Aarktica 00:09, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

How come a forum is still listed on the North East England page then! What else can be said to explain this, I really feel that someone is abusing power here or letting it go to their head because my sites were removed while others were kept on. I will no longer post on Wikipedia but I will do everything possible to find out why I was being singled out. Some sites I listed had nothing to do with me and were for the benefit of people visiting the page and they were removed, if I were an editor I wouldnt let it go to my head or pick on someone which is obviously what is happening here. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Hunnam (talk • contribs) 09:59, 25 July 2007

Help with proceeding with pseudo-troll
I am a member of the Radio Stations WikiProject. Unfortunately, the project isn't overly active at the moment, so the few of us who do make many edits across the spectrum tend to run into each other.

I have recently been butting heads with User:Neutralhomer. At first, his repeated posts to my talk page were merely a minor nuisance. This escalated when he would repeatedly ask me to help him do work on his "niche" area of the project. I, in turn, asked him repeatedly to learn our naming conventions so that I wouldn't have to move multiple articles he created to their proper locations.

This continued to degrade when I would fix minor Manual of Style issues, which he would immediately revert (as if the pages were his own). We then disagreed on a discussion involving translators where I recommended merging, and he argued (both there and my talk page) to integrate instead. Much to my frustration, he wasn't able to grasp that these are, in fact, the same thing.

Despite asking me multiple times (as archived on my talk page) to watch his contribs to fix these things, he's now harassing me to stop doing so, despite the fact that half the time it's merely our two paths crossing.

The final straw tonight was while checking my "What links here" page trying to find any forgotten pages in my namespace, and finding this [dif personal attack, which I then reverted. He has since notice this, reverted it back to the attack version, and proceeded to accuse me of stalking him again.

While I agree that I have not acted as best as I can in this situation, I am completely frustrated and would like some advice on how to proceed. I have put too much hard work into WP:WPRS, and do not want to abandon it, but at this point, to avoid this guy, it may be worth it.

Thanks for your help. JPG-GR 06:47, 24 July 2007 (UTC)


 * For the record, I do believe this user is trying to act in the best interest of the project, as he has created many articles for radio stations that have helped the project. I'm not quite sure if he just doesn't understand what's going on, doesn't care, or what. JPG-GR 06:48, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

Have you considered Mediation at the Cabal?

The Rhymesmith 06:52, 24 July 2007 (UTC)


 * I'm afraid I'm unfamiliar with that process. JPG-GR 07:01, 24 July 2007 (UTC)


 * /sigh/ OK, I have changed my editing style and the way I make radio station (and TV station) articles so as to find a happy medium with User:JPG-GR.


 * I asked him if he would mind helping me make some of the radio pages (it gets kinda monotonous after awhile) and since he was online and would be better WP:MOS and naming convention whatnot then I am, I thought it would be a way that we could work together and not be butting heads. All I got was static.


 * After finally having to explain something that was really easy to understand, I posted that edit to my talk header. It is not meant as a personal attack, but more of a message, if you will, to User:JPG-GR that he doesn't have to make things so damned difficult.


 * But I have changed my edit style for User:JPG-GR, adding calls in bold, attempting to learn the naming conventions (which I am still not getting, but I am trying).


 * As for my "stalking" claim, it strikes me as odd that within a moment or two after I make a page, a new page, it is tagged, edited, or moved. This continued to strike me as odd, when User:JPG-GR posted a comment about the Stephens City, Virginia page I am working on.  This is unrelated to his WP:WPRS work and would only be found if he was checking up on my contribs.  I don't mind if he wants to tag the talk pages, that's fine, but when he is moving pages within a minute of me making them, that is a little weird.


 * But, I have made attempts to work with this editor and finally after being threatened with being reported and having a link to my talk page posted (in a hidden link) on his talk page, I posted that I thought it best that he not post to me anymore and I wouldn't to him.


 * This is unfortunate, because I have alot of respect for User:JPG-GR and for his work with WP:WPRS, so much that I gave him a Barnstar for about 8 hours of work he did one day. I have made attempts, many attempts, to work with him and for not.  I will stay away from User:JPG-GR and continue working on radio stations (by the way, I am also a member of WP:WPRS) and if User:JPG-GR would like to work with me, I will be glad to work with him, so as we are not butting heads again. -  NeutralHomer  T:C 07:04, 24 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Thank you, The Rhymesmith. I have read up on and started a case at the Mediation Cabal. Moreover, I will be referencing this area as evidence of User:Neutralhomer "stalking" my contribs, the very act he is accusing me of. JPG-GR 07:09, 24 July 2007 (UTC)


 * How about this, I am just going to let you deal with the radio station pages (you can build them) and I will go work on something else, because you and I are not going to be able to work on the same website. Ain't happening.  You want to "referencing this area as evidence" against me, go right ahead.  I'm done. -  NeutralHomer  T:C 07:13, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

Philosophy of Mind
Sorry, but my English is not good enough to edit context of article directly. Please, take a look on proposed editing and post it after grammar corrections. unsigned by 70.57.222.103 (Talk) at 05:20, 13 July 2007 Lengthy essay, click "show/hide" to expand/reduce

Philosophy of mind From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

(My point of view on the problems is provided after an original text as numbered comments. {M. Zeldich)

Philosophy of mind is the branch of philosophy that traditionally studies the nature of the mind, mental events, mental functions, mental properties, consciousness and their relationship to the physical body. The mind-body problem, i.e. the relationship of the mind to the body, is commonly seen as the central issue in philosophy of mind, although there are other issues concerning the nature of the mind that do not involve its relation to the physical body.[1]

Dualism and monism are the two major schools of thought that attempt to resolve the mind-body problem. Dualism is the position that mind and body are in some way separate from each other. It can be traced back to Plato,[2] Aristotle[3][4][5] and the Sankhya and Yoga schools of Hindu philosophy,[6] but it was most precisely formulated by Rene Descartes in the 17th century.[7] Substance dualists argue that the mind is an independently existing substance, whereas Property dualists maintain that the mind is a group of independent properties that emerge from and cannot be reduced to the brain, but that it is not a distinct substance.[8] The new approach developed by Michael Zeldich (1945-present) maintain that mind is just name for second hand derivatives from brain functioning and consciousness is nonexistent phenomena and hence there is no mind body problem at all. Monism is the position that mind and body are not ontologically distinct kinds of entities. This view was first advocated in Western Philosophy by Parmenides in the 5th Century BC and was later espoused by the 17th Century rationalist Baruch Spinoza.[9] Physicalists argue that only the entities postulated by physical theory exist, and that the mind will eventually be explained in terms of these entities as physical theory continues to evolve. Idealists maintain that the mind is all that exists and that the external world is either mental itself, or an illusion created by the mind. Neutral monists adhere to the position that there is some other, neutral substance, and that both matter and mind are properties of this unknown substance. The most common monisms in the 20th and 21st centuries have all been variations of physicalism; these positions include behaviorism, the type identity theory, anomalous monism and functionalism.[10]

Many modern philosophers of mind adopt either a reductive or non-reductive physicalist position, maintaining in their different ways that the mind is not something separate from the body.[10] These approaches have been particularly influential in the sciences, particularly in the fields of sociobiology, computer science, evolutionary psychology and the various neurosciences.[11][12][13][14] Other philosophers, however, adopt a non-physicalist position which challenges the notion that the mind is a purely physical construct. Reductive physicalists assert that all mental states and properties will eventually be explained by scientific accounts of physiological processes and states.[15][16][17] Non-reductive physicalists argue that although the brain is all there is to the mind, the predicates and vocabulary used in mental descriptions and explanations are indispensable, and cannot be reduced to the language and lower-level explanations of physical science.[18][19] Continued neuroscientific progress has helped to clarify some of these issues. However, they are far from having been resolved, and modern philosophers of mind continue to ask how the subjective qualities and the intentionality (aboutness) of mental states and properties can be explained in naturalistic terms.[20][21] Contents

1 The mind-body problem

Main article: Mind-body dichotomy

The mind-body problem concerns the explanation of the relationship, if any, that exists between minds, or mental processes, and bodily states or processes.[1] One of the aims of philosophers who work in this area is to explain how a supposedly non-material mind can influence a material body and vice-versa.

Our perceptual experiences in case of interaction with external World depend on reconstruction of cause which was irritating our sensory organs. Stimuli arrive at our various sensory organs from the external world and these stimuli cause the sensory organs to produce electrochemical signals. The brain is interpretating these electrochemical signals and bringing changes in our mental states; ultimately causing us to get representations of feeling a sensation, which may be pleasant or unpleasant. Someone's subjective desire for a slice of pizza, for example, will tend on the base of the past experience to cause that person to move their body in a specific manner and in a specific direction to obtain what they want. That will bring feeling of satisfaction to that person. The question, then, is how it can be possible for reasonable behavior based on experiences to arise out of a lump of gray matter endowed with nothing but electrochemical properties.[10] A related problem is to explain how someone's propositional attitudes (e.g. beliefs and desires) can cause that individual's neurons to fire and his muscles to contract in exactly the correct manner. These comprise some of the puzzles that have confronted epistemologists and philosophers of mind from at least the time of Rene Descartes.[7]

1. The answer is in the understanding of the role of the brain as control unit. It is known, that our brain has no direct contact neither to the World, nor to the own body. All information that brain has and generates is meaningless stream of impulses. The feedback between a stream of information on an input and an output of the system is possible only through subjective representation of the conditions existing in the real World. Subjective representations are depend on the past experience of the person and are saved in physical structure of the brain of that particular person. (M. Zeldich 2007) 2 Dualist solutions to the mind-body problem

Dualism is a set of views about the relationship between mind and matter. It begins with the claim that mental phenomena are, in some respects, non-physical.[8] One of the earliest known formulations of mind-body dualism was expressed in the eastern Sankhya and Yoga schools of Hindu philosophy (c. 650 BCE), which divided the world into purusha (mind/spirit) and prakrti (material substance).[6] Specifically, the Yoga Sutra of Patanjali presents an analytical approach to the nature of the mind.

In Western Philosophy, the earliest discussions of dualist ideas are in the writings of Plato and Aristotle. Each of these maintained, but for different reasons, that man's "intelligence" (a faculty of the mind or soul) could not be identified with, or explained in terms of, his physical body.[2][3] However, the best-known version of dualism is due to Rene Descartes (1641), and holds that the mind is a non-extended, non-physical substance.[7] Descartes was the first to clearly identify the mind with consciousness and self-awareness, and to distinguish this from the brain, which was the seat of intelligence. He was therefore the first to formulate the mind-body problem in the form in which it still exists today.[7]

2.1 Arguments for dualism

The main argument in favor of dualism is that it seems to appeal to the common-sense intuition of the vast majority of non-philosophically-trained people. If asked what the mind is, the average person will usually respond by identifying it with their self, their personality, their soul, or some other such entity. They will almost certainly deny that the mind simply is the brain, or vice-versa, finding the idea that there is just one ontological entity at play to be too mechanistic, or simply unintelligible.[8] The majority of modern philosophers of mind think that these intuitions, like many others, are probably misleading and that we should use our critical faculties, along with empirical evidence from the sciences, to examine these assumptions and determine if there is any real basis to them.[8]

Another important argument in favor of dualism is the idea that the mental and the physical seem to have quite different, and perhaps irreconcilable, properties.[22] Mental events have a certain subjective quality to them, whereas physical events do not. So, for example, one can reasonably ask what a burnt finger feels like, or what a blue sky looks like, or what nice music sounds like to a person. But it is meaningless, or at least odd, to ask what a surge in the uptake of glutamate in the dorsolateral portion of the hippocampus feels like.

Philosophers of mind call the subjective aspects of mental events qualia (or raw feels).[22] There is something that it is like to feel pain, to see a familiar shade of blue, and so on. There are qualia involved in these mental events that seem particularly difficult to reduce to anything physical.[23]

2.2 Interactionist dualism

Interactionist dualism, or simply interactionism, is the particular form of dualism first espoused by Descartes in the Meditations.[7] In the 20th century, its major defenders have been Karl Popper and John Carew Eccles.[24] It is the view that mental states, such as beliefs and desires, causally interact with physical states.[8]

Descartes' famous argument for this position can be summarized as follows: Seth has a clear and distinct idea of his mind as a thinking thing which has no spatial extension (i.e., it cannot be measured in terms of length, weight, height, and so on). He also has a clear and distinct idea of his body as something that is spatially extended, subject to quantification and not able to think. It follows that mind and body are not identical because they have radically different properties. Descartes.[7]

At the same time, however, it is clear that Seth's mental states (desires, beliefs, etc.) have causal effects on his body and vice-versa: A child touches a hot stove (physical event) which causes pain (mental event) and makes him yell (physical event), this in turn provokes a sense of fear and protectiveness in the mother (mental event), and so on.

Descartes' argument crucially depends on the premise that what Seth believes to be "clear and distinct" ideas in his mind are necessarily true. Many contemporary philosophers doubt this.[25][26][27] For example, Joseph Agassi believes that several scientific discoveries made since the early 20th century have undermined the idea of privileged access to one's own ideas. Freud has shown that a psychologically-trained observer can understand a person's unconscious motivations better than she does. Duhem has shown that a philosopher of science can know a person's methods of discovery better than he does, while Malinowski has shown that an anthropologist can know a person's customs and habits better than he does. He also asserts that modern psychological experiments that cause people to see things that are not there provide grounds for rejecting Descartes' argument, because scientists can describe a person's perceptions better than he can.[28]

2.3 Other forms of dualism

1) Psycho-physical parallelism, or simply parallelism, is the view that mind and body, while having distinct ontological statuses, do not causally influence one another. Instead, they run along parallel paths (mind events causally interact with mind events and brain events causally interact with brain events) and only seem to influence each other.[29] This view was most prominently defended by Gottfried Leibniz. Although Leibniz was an ontological monist who believed that only one type of substance, the monad, exists in the universe, and that everything is reducible to it, he nonetheless maintained that there was an important distinction between "the mental" and "the physical" in terms of causation. He held that God had arranged things in advance so that minds and bodies would be in harmony with each other. This is known as the doctrine of pre-established harmony.[30]

2) Occasionalism is the view espoused by Nicholas Malebranche which asserts that all supposedly causal relations between physical events, or between physical and mental events, are not really causal at all. While body and mind are different substances, causes (whether mental or physical) are related to their effects by an act of God's intervention on each specific occasion. [31]

3) Epiphenomenalism is a doctrine first formulated by Thomas Henry Huxley.[32] It consists in the view that mental phenomena are causally ineffectual. Physical events can cause other physical events and physical events can cause mental events, but mental events cannot cause anything, since they are just causally inert by-products (i.e. epiphenomena) of the physical world.[29] This view has been defended most strongly in recent times by Frank Jackson.[33]

4) Property dualism asserts that when matter is organized in the appropriate way (i.e. in the way that living human bodies are organized), mental properties emerge. Hence, it is a sub-branch of emergent materialism.[8] These emergent properties have an independent ontological status and cannot be reduced to, or explained in terms of, the physical substrate from which they emerge. This position is espoused by David Chalmers and has undergone something of a renaissance in recent years.[34]

3 Monist solutions to the mind-body problem

In contrast to dualism, monism states that there are no fundamental divisions. Today, the most common forms of monism in Western philosophy are physicalist.[10] Physicalistic monism asserts that the only existing substance is physical, in some sense of that term to be clarified by our best science.[35] However, a variety of formulations (see below) are possible. Another form of monism, idealism, states that the only existing substance is mental. Although pure idealism, such as that of George Berkeley, is uncommon in contemporary Western philosophy, a more sophisticated variant called panpsychism, according to which mental experience and properties may be at the foundation of physical experience and properties, has been espoused by some philosophers such as William Seager.[36][37]

Other forms of monism assert that the mental supervenes on the physical or vice versa. Variants of this type of monism include arguments that, as the limits of obtainable information are approached, a strict physicalist understanding and a strict idealist understanding will supervene on each other. [citation needed] Lastly, there are advocates of monism who believe that the mental and the physical are both part of a larger whole, which is generally considered to be not directly perceivable and hence not equivalent to the physical world. This last version of monism is generally associated with Eastern religions and philosophies, including Buddhism, Transcendentalism, and mysticism in general. [citation needed]

Phenomenalism is the theory that representations (or sense data) of external objects are all that exist. Such a view was briefly adopted by Bertrand Russell and many of the logical positivists during the early 20th century.[38] A third possibility is to accept the existence of a basic substance which is neither physical nor mental. The mental and physical would then both are to be properties of this neutral substance. Such a position was adopted by Baruch Spinoza[9] and was popularized by Ernst Mach[39] in the 19th century. This neutral monism, as it is called, resembles property dualism.

3.1 Physicalistic Monisms

3.2 Behaviorism

Main article: Behaviorism

Behaviorism dominated philosophy of mind for much of the 20th century, especially the first half.[10] In psychology, behaviorism developed as a reaction to the inadequacies of introspectionism.[35] Introspective reports on one's own interior mental life are not subject to careful examination for accuracy and can not be used to form predictive generalizations. Without generalizability and the possibility of third-person examination, the behaviorists argued, psychology cannot be scientific.[35] The way out, therefore, was to eliminate the idea of an interior mental life (and hence an ontologically independent mind) altogether and focus instead on the description of observable behavior.[40]

Parallel to these developments in psychology, a philosophical behaviorism (sometimes called logical behaviorism) was developed.[35] This is characterized by a strong verificationism, which generally considers unverifiable statements about interior mental life senseless. For the behaviorist, mental states are not interior states on which one can make introspective reports. They are just descriptions of behavior or dispositions to behave in certain ways, made by third parties to explain and predict others' behavior.[41]

Philosophical behaviorism, notably held by Wittgenstein, has fallen out of favor since the latter half of the 20th century, coinciding with the rise of cognitivism.[1] Cognitivists reject behaviorism due to several perceived problems. For example, behaviorism could be said to be counter-intuitive when it maintains that someone is talking about behavior in the event that a person is experiencing a painful headache. 2. All difficulties that were experienced by behaviorists are aroused from ignoring the subjective nature of the mental activities. 3.3 Identity theory

Main article: Type physicalism

Type physicalism (or type-identity theory) was developed by John Smart[17] and Ullin Place[42] as a direct reaction to the failure of behaviorism. These philosophers reasoned that, if mental states are something material, but not behavior, then mental states are probably identical to internal states of the brain. In very simplified terms: a mental state M is nothing other than brain state B. The mental state "desire for a cup of coffee" would thus be nothing more than the "firing of certain neurons in certain brain regions".[17]

Despite its initial plausibility, the identity theory faces a strong challenge in the form of the thesis of multiple realizability, first formulated by Hilary Putnam.[19] It is obvious that not only humans, but many different species of animal can, for example, experience pain. However, it seems highly unlikely that all of these diverse organisms with the same pain experience are in the same identical brain state. And if the latter is the case, then pain cannot be identical to a specific brain state. The identity theory is thus empirically unfounded.[19]

3. All live creatures are subjective, simply because they are separated from environment. In spite of the fact that they brains or control units play the similar role of defining behavior of them, the states of each one while species demonstrate a similar behavior are different due to subjective nature of representation wired in them. (M. Zeldich 2007)

On the other hand, even granted all above, it does not follow that identity theories of all types must be abandoned. According to token identity theories, the fact that a certain brain state is connected with only one "mental" state of a person does not have to mean that there is an absolute correlation between types of mental states and types of brain state. The type-token distinction can be illustrated by a simple example: the word "green" contains four types of letters (g, r, e, n) with two tokens (occurrences) of the letter e along with one each of the others. The idea of token identity is that only particular occurrences of mental events are identical with particular occurrences or tokenings of physical events.[43] Anomalous monism (see below) and most other non-reductive physicalisms are token-identity theories.[44] Despite these problems, there is a renewed interest in the type identity theory today, primarily due to the influence of Jaegwon Kim.[17]

3.4 Functionalism

Main article: Functionalism (philosophy of mind)

Functionalism was formulated by Hilary Putnam and Jerry Fodor as a reaction to the inadequacies of the identity theory.[19] Putnam and Fodor saw mental states in terms of an empirical computational theory of the mind.[45] At about the same time or slightly after, D.M. Armstrong and David Kellogg Lewis formulated a version of functionalism which analyzed the mental concepts of folk psychology in terms of functional roles.[46] Finally, Wittgenstein's idea of meaning as use led to a version of functionalism as a theory of meaning, further developed by Wilfrid Sellars and Gilbert Harman.

What all these different varieties of functionalism share in common is the thesis that mental states are characterized by their causal relations with other mental states and with sensory inputs and behavioral outputs. That is, functionalism abstracts away from the details of the physical implementation of a mental state by characterizing it in terms of non-mental functional properties. For example, a kidney is characterized scientifically by its functional role in filtering blood and maintaining certain chemical balances. From this point of view, it does not really matter whether the kidney be made up of organic tissue, plastic nanotubes or silicon chips: it is the role that it plays and its relations to other organs that define it as a kidney.[45]

3.5 Nonreductive physicalism

Main article: Anomalous Monism

Many philosophers hold firmly to two essential convictions with regard to mind-body relations: 1) Physicalism is true and mental states must be physical states, but 2) All reductionist proposals are unsatisfactory: mental states cannot be reduced to behavior, brain states or functional states.[35] Hence, the question arises whether there can still be a non-reductive physicalism. Donald Davidson's anomalous monism[18] is an attempt to formulate such a physicalism.

A basic idea which all non-reductive physicalists share in common is the thesis of supervenience: mental states supervene on physical states, but are not reducible to them. "Supervenience" therefore describes a functional dependence: there can be no change in the mental without some change in the physical.[47]

3.6 Eliminative materialism

Main article: Eliminative materialism

If one is a materialist but believes that all reductive efforts have failed and that a non-reductive materialism is incoherent, then one can adopt a final, more radical position: eliminative materialism. Eliminative materialists maintain that mental states are fictitious entities introduced by everyday "folk psychology".[15] Should "folk psychology", which eliminativists view as a quasi-scientific theory, be proven wrong in the course of scientific development, then we must also abolish all of the entities postulated by it.

Eliminativists such as Patricia and Paul Churchland often invoke the fate of other, erroneous popular theories and ontologies which have arisen in the course of history.[15][16] For example, the belief in witchcraft as a cause of people's problems turned out to be wrong and the consequence is that most people no longer believe in the existence of witches. Witchcraft is not explained in terms of some other phenomenon, but rather eliminated from the discourse.[16]

4 Linguistic criticism of the mind-body problem

Each attempt to answer the mind-body problem encounters substantial problems. Some philosophers argue that this is because there is an underlying conceptual confusion.[48] These philosophers, such as Ludwig Wittgenstein and his followers in the tradition of linguistic criticism, therefore reject the problem as illusory.[49] They argue that it is an error to ask how mental and biological states fit together. Rather it should simply be accepted that human experience can be described in different ways - for instance, in a mental and in a biological vocabulary. Illusory problems arise if one tries to describe the one in terms of the other's vocabulary or if the mental vocabulary is used in the wrong contexts.[49] This is the case, for instance, if one searches for mental states of the brain. The brain is simply the wrong context for the use of mental vocabulary - the search for mental states of the brain is therefore a category error or a sort of fallacy of reasoning.[49]

Today, such a position is often adopted by interpreters of Wittgenstein such as Peter Hacker.[48] However, Hilary Putnam, the inventor of functionalism, has also adopted the position that the mind-body problem is an illusory problem which should be dissolved according to the manner of Wittgenstein.[50]

4. This is the right position. For example, "Conscious" is a fictitious entity "introduced by everyday "folk psychology". (M. Zeldich 2007)

5 Naturalism and its problems

The thesis of physicalism is that the mind is part of the material (or physical) world. Such a position faces the problem that the mind has certain properties that no material thing possesses. Physicalism must therefore explain how it is possible that these properties can nonetheless emerge from a material thing. The project of providing such an explanation is often referred to as the "naturalization of the mental."[35] Some of the crucial problems that this project attempts to resolve include the existence of qualia and the nature of intentionality.[35]

5. "Mind" is second hand derivatives from functioning of the brain. Actually we are providing the name "Mind" to attempt to partially explain (kind of behavior) the states of particular subjective system.(M. Zeldich 2007)

5.1 Qualia

Main article: Qualia

Many mental states have the property of being experienced subjectively in different ways by different individuals.[23] For example, it is characteristic of the mental state of pain that it hurts. Moreover, your sensation of pain may not be identical to mine, since we have no way of measuring how much something hurts, nor of describing exactly how it feels to hurt. Philosophers and scientists ask where these experiences come from. Nothing indicates that a neural or functional state can be accompanied by such a pain experience. Often the point is formulated as follows: the existence of cerebral events, in and of themselves, cannot explain why they are accompanied by these corresponding qualitative experiences. The puzzle of why many cerebral processes occur with an accompanying experiential aspect in consciousness seems impossible to explain.[22]

6. The puzzle of why many cerebral processes occur with an accompanying experiential aspect could be solved if we will remember that control units in the body of creatures define a behavior of it by its own subjective representations. Feeling pain is one, from many, kind of subjectively chosen behavior. (M. Zeldich 2007)

Yet it also seems to many that science will eventually have to explain such experiences.[35] This follows from the logic of reductive explanations. If I try to explain a phenomenon reductively (e.g., water), I also have to explain why the phenomenon has all of the properties that it has (e.g., fluidity, transparency).[35]In the case of mental states, this means that there needs to be an explanation of why they have the property of being experienced in a certain way.

The problem of explaining the introspective, first-person aspects of mental states, and consciousness in general, in terms of third-person quantitative neuroscience is called the explanatory gap.[51] There are several different views of the nature of this gap among contemporary philosophers of mind. David Chalmers and the early Frank Jackson interpret the gap as ontological in nature; that is, they maintain that qualia can never be explained by science because physicalism is false. There are two separate categories involved and one cannot be reduced to the other.[52] An alternative view is taken by philosophers such as Thomas Nagel and Colin McGinn. According to them, the gap is epistemological in nature. For Nagel, science is not yet able to explain subjective experience because it has not yet arrived at the level or kind of knowledge that is required. We are not even able to formulate the problem coherently.[23] For McGinn, on other hand, the problem is one of permanent and inherent biological limitations. We are not able to resolve the explanatory gap because the realm of subjective experiences is cognitively closed to us in the same manner that quantum physics is cognitively closed to elephants.[53] Other philosophers liquidate the gap as purely a semantic problem.

5.2 Intentionality

Main article: Intentionality

Intentionality is the capacity of mental states to be directed towards (about) or be in relation with something in the external world.[21] This property of mental states entails that they have contents and semantic referents and can therefore be assigned truth values. When one tries to reduce these states to natural processes there arises a problem: natural processes are not true or false, they simply happen.[54] It would not make any sense to say that a natural process is true or false. But mental ideas or judgments are true or false, so how then can mental states (ideas or judgments) be natural processes? The possibility of assigning semantic value to ideas must mean that such ideas are about facts. Thus, for example, the idea that Herodotus was a historian refers to Herodotus and to the fact that he was an historian. If the fact is true, then the idea is true; otherwise, it is false. But where does this relation come from? In the brain, there are only electrochemical processes and these seem not to have anything to do with Herodotus.[20] 7. To get answer on this question we have to go deeper into the brain mechanics. So, after incoming sound is reaching the ears the changing air pressure will be transformed to the series of impulses. These impulses are reaching the brain and if combination of them is familiar to it the tags associated with these combinations will be recognized. After recognition of the tags the links from each particular tag to another will be activated. That could lead to different kind of behavior, which is depending on the motivation and experience. For example, it could lead to completing of the sentence "Herodotus was a historian."

6 Philosophy of mind and science

Humans are corporeal beings and, as such, they are subject to examination and description by the natural sciences. Since mental processes are not independent of bodily processes, the descriptions that the natural sciences furnish of human beings play an important role in the philosophy of mind.[1] There are many scientific disciplines that study processes related to the mental. The list of such sciences includes: biology, computer science, cognitive science, cybernetics, linguistics, medicine, pharmacology, and psychology.[55]

6.1 Neurobiology

Main article: Neurobiology

The theoretical background of biology, as is the case with modern natural sciences in general, is fundamentally materialistic. The objects of study are, in the first place, physical processes, which are considered to be the foundations of mental activity and behavior.[56] The increasing success of biology in the explanation of mental phenomena can be seen by the absence of any empirical refutation of its fundamental presupposition: "there can be no change in the mental states of a person without a change in brain states."[55]

Within the field of neurobiology, there are many sub-disciplines which are concerned with the relations between mental and physical states and processes:[56] Sensory neurophysiology investigates the relation between the processes of perception and stimulation.[57] Cognitive neuroscience studies the correlations between mental processes and neural processes.[57] Neuropsychology describes the dependence of mental faculties on specific anatomical regions of the brain.[57] Lastly, evolutionary biology studies the origins and development of the human nervous system and, in as much as this is the basis of the mind, also describes the ontogenetic and phylogenetic development of mental phenomena beginning from their most primitive stages.[55]

The methodological breakthroughs of the neurosciences, in particular the introduction of high-tech neuroimaging procedures, has propelled scientists toward the elaboration of increasingly ambitious research programs: one of the main goals is to describe and comprehend the neural processes which correspond to mental functions (see: neural correlate).[56] A very small number of neurobiologists, such as Emil du Bois-Reymond and John Carew Eccles have denied the possibility of a "reduction" of mental phenomena to cerebral processes, partly for religious reasons.[24] However, the contemporary neurobiologist and philosopher Gerhard Roth continues to defend a form of "non-reductive materialism."[58]

6.2 Computer science

Main article: Computer science

Computer science concerns itself with the automatic processing of information (or at least with physical systems of symbols to which information is assigned) by means of such things as computers.[59] From the beginning, computer programmers have been able to develop programs which permit computers to carry out tasks for which organic beings need a mind. A simple example is multiplication. But it is clear that computers do not use a mind to multiply. Could they, someday, come to have what we call a mind? This question has been propelled into the forefront of much philosophical debate because of investigations in the field of artificial intelligence.

Certainly answer to these questions yes. Allow to assume, that our body is completely material. Whether we can create model of our body with some level of accuracy? Whether we can improve this model eventually, in process of improvement of our abilities? It is obvious, that the answer to these simple questions yes. Hence at some level of accuracy our model will be able to carry out function named Thinking. (M. Zeldich 1967)

Within AI, it is common to distinguish between a modest research program and a more ambitious one: this distinction was coined by John Searle in terms of a weak AI and a strong AI. The exclusive objective of "weak AI", according to Searle, is the successful simulation of mental states, with no attempt to make computers become conscious or aware, etc. The objective of strong AI, on the contrary, is a computer with consciousness similar to that of human beings.[60] The program of strong AI goes back to one of the pioneers of computation Alan Turing. As an answer to the question "Can computers think?", he formulated the famous Turing test.[61] Turing believed that a computer could be said to "think" when, if placed in a room by itself next to another room which contained a human being and with the same questions being asked of both the computer and the human being by a third party human being, the computer's responses turned out to be indistinguishable from those of the human. Essentially, Turing's view of machine intelligence followed the behaviorist model of the mind - intelligence is as intelligence does. The Turing test has received many criticisms, among which the most famous is probably the Chinese room thought experiment formulated by Searle.[60]

The question about the possible sensitivity (qualia) of computers or robots still remains open. Some computer scientists believe that the specialty of AI can still make new contributions to the resolution of the "mind body problem". They suggest that based on the reciprocal influences between software and hardware that takes place in all computers, it is possible that someday theories can be discovered that help us to understand the reciprocal influences between the human mind and the brain (wetware).[62]

8. "Mind body problem" is illusory as it was stated above. The biological brain is one of many units of the body, functioning as a control system that defining a behavior of a body as the whole. How it works? For the beginning let to take case when sensory organs are irritated, by interacting with a surrounding and generate some signals. These signals and the information about the correlation between them are kept in short-term memory in the form of subjective information specific for the given system (temporary subjective representation). Then on the basis of this kept information, and the past subjective experience, the system generates some kind of behavior in relation to the surrounding. What reasons lead to such functioning? It is necessary to recognize, that all reasons for any activity are located into the system by itself. That is true, simply because any reasonable system is subjective. What is common for the system in the works of a various kind? The satisfaction or dissatisfaction as result of any kinds of actions executed by the system is in effect this common. How that feeling is linked to the system performance? System generating the subjective, mental picture of the desired state of the surrounding and the subjective, mental course of action aimed to reach that state. If the subjective, mental picture of the state of the surrounding after executions of planned mental course of action is close enough to the past mental picture of the desired state of the surrounding, system feel satisfaction, if not-- dissatisfaction. All what we are usually attribute to the brain; feelings, minds, desire, cognition, cognitive behavior, emotions and so an, are names for different sides of the system behavior. That approach is removing the necessity in the specific quality "Consciousness" as phenomenon because all what we are could find in the brain as control system is blind functioning, nothing else. It is clear in the light of the explained approach that the "successful simulation of mental states" is not sufficient to generate the reasonable behavior. All stated above is true in the case of internal reason for generation of a behavior. (Michael Zeldich 2007)

6.3 Psychology

Main article: Psychology

Psychology is the science that investigates mental states directly. It uses generally empirical methods to investigate concrete mental states like joy, fear or obsessions. Psychology investigates the laws that bind these mental states to each other or with inputs and outputs to the human organism.[63]

An example of this is the psychology of perception. Scientists working in this field have discovered general principles of the perception of forms. A law of the psychology of forms says that objects that move in the same direction are perceived as related to each other.[55] This law describes a relation between visual input and mental perceptual states. However, it does not suggest anything about the nature of perceptual states. The laws discovered by psychology are compatible with all the answers to the mind-body problem already described.

7 Philosophy of mind in the continental tradition

Most of the discussion in this article has focused on the predominant school (or style) of philosophy in modern Western culture, usually called analytic philosophy (sometimes described as Anglo-American philosophy).[64] Other schools of thought exist, however, which are sometimes subsumed under the broad label of continental philosophy.[64] In any case, the various schools that fall under this label (phenomenology, existentialism, etc.) tend to differ from the analytic school in that they focus less on language and logical analysis and more on directly understanding human existence and experience. With reference specifically to the discussion of the mind, this tends to translate into attempts to grasp the concepts of thought and perceptual experience in some direct sense that does not involve the analysis of linguistic forms.[64]

In Georg Wilhelm Friedrich Hegel's Phenomenology of Mind, Hegel discusses three distinct types of mind: the subjective mind, the mind of an individual; the objective mind, the mind of society and of the State; and the Absolute mind, a unity of all concepts. See also Hegel's Philosophy of Mind from his Encyclopedia.[65]

In modern times, the two main schools that have developed in response or opposition to this Hegelian tradition are Phenomenology and Existentialism. Phenomenology, founded by Edmund Husserl, focuses on the contents of the human mind (see noema) and how phenomenological processes shape our experiences.[66] Existentialism, a school of thought founded upon the work of Soren Kierkegaard and Friedrich Nietzsche, focuses on the content of experiences and how the mind deals with such experiences.[67]

9. Both approaches are insufficient. Brain is operating by meaningless data. All meaning is coming from a feedback through the surrounding World. (Michael Zeldich 2007)

An important, though not very well known, example of a philosopher of mind and cognitive scientist who tries to synthesize ideas from both traditions is Ron McClamrock. Borrowing from Herbert Simon and also influenced by the ideas of existential phenomenologists such as Maurice Merleau-Ponty and Martin Heidegger, McClamrock suggests that man's condition of being-in-the-world ("Dasein", "In-der-welt-sein") makes it impossible for him to understand himself by abstracting away from it and examining it as if it were a detached experimental object of which he himself is not an integral part.[68]

10. To understand himself man has to accept that his body is part of the World. Only by including the interaction with the World and subjective representation about it conditions into account it is possible to understand the self. (Michael Zeldich 2007)

8 Consequences of philosophy of mind

There are countless subjects that are affected by the ideas developed in the philosophy of mind. Clear examples of this are the nature of death and its definitive character, the nature of emotion, of perception and of memory. Questions about what a person is and what his or her identity consists of also have much to do with the philosophy of mind. There are two subjects that, in connection with the philosophy of the mind, have aroused special attention: free will and the self.[1]

8.1 Free will

Main article: Free will

In the context of philosophy of mind, the problem of free will takes on renewed intensity. This is certainly the case, at least, for materialistic determinists.[1] According to this position, natural laws completely determine the course of the material world. Mental states, and therefore the will as well, would be material states, which means human behavior and decisions would be completely determined by natural laws. Some take this reasoning a step further: people cannot determine by themselves what they want and what they do. Consequently, they are not free.[69]

11. This is not quite right. Behavior of any live creature is depending on the subjective representation about the state of the World. By that reason it is impossible to determinate the state of the World in the future even if we could have all data about it state in the past and know all the governing law. (Michael Zeldich 2007)

This argumentation is rejected, on the one hand, by the compatibilists. Those who adopt this position suggest that the question "Are we free?" can only be answered once we have determined what the term "free" means. The opposite of "free" is not "caused" but "compelled" or "coerced". It is not appropriate to identify freedom with indetermination. A free act is one where the agent could have done otherwise if it had chosen otherwise. In this sense a person can be free even though determinism is true.[69] The most important compatibilist in the history of the philosophy was David Hume.[70]Nowadays, this position is defended, for example, by Daniel Dennett,[71] and, from a dual-aspect perspective, by Max Velmans.[72]

12. Freedom is subjective category. The best known to me definition of freedom, as subjective category, was coined by V. I. Lenin. He stated that "Freedom is an accepted necessity." It is impossible to discuss the freedom from the Nature. All of us depend from condition in the World. On another hand freewill is possible only in some social environment and is limited by it conditions. From above we could conclude that absolute freewill is not possible and plurality of possible, subjectively chosen behaviors will be different for different persons in different societies and different conditions in the Nature. (Michael Zeldich 2007)

On the other hand, there are also many incompatibilists who reject the argument because they believe that the will is free in a stronger sense called libertarianism.[69] These philosophers affirm that the course of the world is not completely determined by natural laws: the will at least does not have to be and, therefore, it is potentially free. The most prominent incompatibilist in the history of philosophy was Immanuel Kant.[73] Critics of this position accuse the incompatibilists of using an incoherent concept of freedom. They argue as follows: if our will is not determined by anything, then we desire what we desire by pure chance. And if what we desire is purely accidental, we are not free. So if our will is not determined by anything, we are not free. [69]

The self

Main article: Self

The philosophy of mind also has important consequences for the concept of self. If by "self" or "I" one refers to an essential, immutable nucleus of the person, most modern philosophers of mind will affirm that no such thing exists.[74] The idea of a self as an immutable essential nucleus derives from the Christian idea of an immaterial soul. Such an idea is unacceptable to most contemporary philosophers, due to their physicalistic orientations, and due to a general acceptance among philosophers of the scepticism of the concept of 'self' by David Hume, who could never catch himself doing, thinking or feeling anything.[75] However, in the light of empirical results from developmental psychology, developmental biology and neuroscience, the idea of an essential inconstant, material nucleus - an integrated representational system distributed over changing patterns of synaptic connections - seems reasonable.[76]

13. The ever changing patterns of synaptic connections is the material base for the brain functioning. Subjective feeling of self is developed as result of that functioning by interaction with the World. (Michael Zeldich 2007).

Gosh I don't know where to start. i am purely arts and wouldn't have a clue at trying to judge if the ammendments are right or not The post should really be on the talk page of the article. I will add an   to the editors talk page and ask him to consider editing Wikipedia under a username. I honestly don't have any other ideas. Mike33 23:49, 13 July 2007 (UTC)


 * I'm glad that you managed to collapse that! I tried to use "toccolours collapsible collapsed" yesterday, but I think the formatting of the post prevented it from collapsing, so I had to leave it as is. I was reluctant to just delete it. If the anon editor returns, perhaps he can tell us what his first language is; he might be more confident and better placed to contribute to another WP. I'm sure they have translation service like we do here, but from English, so that he could work on a version of this article.  Adrian  M. H.  13:48, 14 July 2007 (UTC)
 * If the anon comes back - I would suggest (a) getting a user name (b) sending it to psychology or metapsychics or philosophy wikiproject. Otherwise Its on the page and its so difficult to compare the two versions (even if I understood any of it). Do you think we can repost it to anons user page User_talk:70.57.222.103/Pom? until we find project help? Mike33 14:02, 14 July 2007 (UTC)
 * No, best to leave it here. It may well be a dynamic IP.  Adrian  M. H.  14:18, 14 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Ping says he's in ohio US. I suspect that when he said his English wasn't good, he meant that he was an English speaker, but his grammer was poor? Gonna cross my fingers and hope a psychologist can make head from tail. Mike33 14:48, 14 July 2007 (UTC)


 * I'll make head from tail and deal with the coherency and philosophical issues relating to the proposed edits, if that is what is wanted, coming from the perspective of an academic specialty in philosophy of mind. I'd be happy to look through the comments, but this does seem rather long and it's difficult to identify the differences between the proposed version and the current version. The manner of phrasing,however ("(My point of view on the problems is provided after an original text as numbered comments."), does make me suspect original research. I defer this to the editors already assisting. Comments? Yanksta x 07:40, 16 July 2007 (UTC)


 * It strongly suggests OR with potential for bias. No references were provided.  Adrian  M. H.  16:50, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

Formatting
I need some help to italicize words in a published article - book titles and names of journals and newspapers in the article which were not italicized before publication; how to use superscripts for citations used for documentation; and categorization - I added the categories after the article was published but there's still a notice saying the article is ucategorized.

I clicked on "Edit" but there were no buttons I could click on for "Italics" and "Superscript" after the article was published.

Also, some text is boxed and stretches beyond the right "margin" of the page and I don't know how to fix that.

I would appreciate if someone could correct that for me. I have very little knowledge of the technical aspects of electronic publishing.

If someone can handle that, the article is "Godfrey Mwakikagile."

Thank you very much for your cooperation.

Dave 03:43, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Working. JPG-GR 04:24, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
 * I've taken care of your citations in the most basic way (which is the only way I know). I also cleaned up your odd indentation problems. However, this article still needs quite a bit of work from a style perspective to work within the Manual of Style. Additionally, many of the categories you did list either do not exist or are slightly different from what you put.
 * It should be noted I did the editing from a purely stylistic POV, and didn't actually read it for content & context. Someone else should be along to help you out! JPG-GR 04:36, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Usually, I don't do this in my capacity as an EA, but I have wikified the article and done some copyediting on the content. Some sandblasting might be needed, but there is plenty of information contained in the article assuring notability. --Aarktica 16:32, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

"Ladies and gentlemen..."
It seems we have been had. Taking out the weasel words and POV material, most of what is left was lifted from the subject's personal page at Geocities. I am contemplating reverting the edits to the article in question to a pre-JPG-GR state, making the COPYVIO painfully obvious. --Aarktica 23:30, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
 * ...dirty word...another dirty word....more dirtt words.... Thanks for checking.... Studerby 23:37, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

I have edited out copyrighted material. The author can be contacted at godfrey@altelco.net for approval to use whatever material you think needs to be approved for copyright reasons. From what I know, there's no objection. Dave 23:38, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

sean parker-perry
this page was removed once due to edit wars - see doc glasgow (editor) comments

please remove this page

83.104.50.161 12:44, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Editor assistants are not in the business of removing articles "on demand." Please review the deletion policies for guidance on how to proceed. Feel free to resubmit the article for deletion or see if you can make a case for speedy deletion of the article. Cheers, --Aarktica 13:39, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
 * (The Sean Parker-Perry article was nominated for deletion last month, and was summarily deleted on June 15, 2007 by User:Wangi. The article &mdash; on several occasions &mdash; was protected and unprotected by User:Doc glasgow, who agreed with the deletion as well.) --Aarktica 13:41, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

Spyware page vandalism
The user http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Mr._pesci is continuous vandalizing the page on spyware. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spyware.

The nature of the vandalism implies the user will not comply to reason and will continue to revandalize the page whenever it is repaired.

Please ban this user from editing for a period of time.

Have a great day,

--DevinCook 08:51, 26 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Issued a final warning (uw-vandalism4) to the user. If the user vandalizes again, report the account to the administrator intervention against vandalism noticeboard, you'll get a much faster response that way than you will here against vandal accounts. Seraphimblade Talk to me 09:07, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Thank you! Your help is greatly appreciated.--DevinCook 09:09, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

Editing
Editing Problem - Advice Needed:

Hello,

I am having a problem with someone editing a page on this site. I am aware that anyone can edit a page, however; the edit changes they are making are not correct. Also, I have several books to support the editing changes that I want to make on the page that interest me. If I quote something out of a book and others wikipedia members and especially one person in particular may not have access to the same book(s) that I have - how is this problem handled? Also, what if someone is making changes based upon a website? The changes that I proposed are based upon several books that can be verified. The person making the editing changes is informing me that I should put potential changes to the article in the discussion page, but they are making changes to the page and they are not putting the potential changes in the discussion page. I will admitthat I am a very new user to this site and I am not certain of all the policies of this site. I have read the welcome guidelines and instructions, but there are still some things that I do not understand. Thanks HistoricDST 03:34, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

Also when you reply can you send a copy of your reply to my email addresss just in case I have some difficulty finding this page again. My email address is [EMAIL REMOVED]. Thanks for you assistance and have a wonderful day.HistoricDST 03:59, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

Sourcing from a book per here. You do not need to dicuss changes unless they are controversial. If you can find a reputable source, there should be no problem, unless Undue weight or WP:FRINGE are contravened.

Have a nice day,

The Rhymesmith 04:24, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

Assistance requested for United States Holocaust Memorial Museum
Please provide asistance - 'User:Cumulus Clouds', whoever he is, has removed content inappropriately. The lack of participation has allowed him to get away with this.

He apparently is not familiar about the involved issues. First, the article section he removed said nothing about 'palestinians' - he introduced that as a straw man. He discounts a respected congressman as an inappropriate source, as he does an established newspaper. What he discounts as controversial is established fact. That was the basis of the criticism of the museum that he removed -- for example its refusal to display the documentation that exists, such as a picture of the mufti and Hitler together.

Please help.

Thank you. Mike Grant — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.245.71.14 (talk) 20:52, 25 July 2007
 * Provided you have reliable sources to back your claim, the content may remain in the article. At this point, my suggestion would be for you to request a third opinion on the subject matter. Cheers, Aarktica 20:05, 25 July 2007 (UTC)


 * The mention of Palestinians was probably a good faith error - the editor incorrectly assumed the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem would have necessarily been a Palestinian. Otherwise agree with Aarktica - reliable sources are required and a third opinion could be useful. Addhoc 17:54, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

Unsure how to deal with dispute with unregistered user - RE: inclusion of links to a political blog
I'm having some trouble with two entries: City of Casey and Endeavour Hills, Victoria

As I've explained on the discussion pages Talk:City of Casey and Talk:Endeavour Hills, Victoria, I don't believe the links to a personal political blog are appropriate for an encyclopedia entry. I've attempted to enter into discussion with the unregistered party, however have been unsuccessful. When I edit the articles to remove the links my edits are reverted by the unregistered party without explanation. I'm unsure of how to proceed with this issue and would appreciate the advice of a more experienced editor.

Thanks

--SRHamilton 03:54, 28 July 2007 (UTC)

The blogs shouldn't be linked unless the article is about the blog, or common views of something which the blog shares, etc. If there is no discussion, and it is personal blog, it appears to be promotion. Remove them, and drop a note on my talk page if they revert.

The Rhymesmith 04:22, 28 July 2007 (UTC)


 * I've just looked, and the blog is completely inappropriate. I have warned the IP to stop spamming.
 * The Rhymesmith 04:26, 28 July 2007 (UTC)

New Editor looking for a second opinion
Hi there, i've not long started doing edits for Wikipedia, but i just need someone to check over the first article i made. It's at National Sleepy Head Day. I know it's only a stub but any constructive criticism would help as i'm looking to start a requested article that is likely to be much more in-depth. Thanks Bizzmag 17:45, 28 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Copied to RFF. I will respond there. -  Adrian  M. H.  18:01, 28 July 2007 (UTC)

MUSIC SINGLE FALSE INFORMATION
PLEASE MAKE http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:John_Biancato

STOP ADDING FALSE INFORMATION THAT A PARIS HILTON RADIO SINGLE WAS RELEASED AS AN OFFICIAL DOUBLE SIDE SINGLE

WHICH IS TOTALLY FALSE BECAUSE THE SING JEALOUSY WAS NEVER RELEASED

IV ALREADY CHANGED IT BUT IM SURE HE WILL CHANGE IT AGAIN

HERES THE LINK

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Screwed%28song%29 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Utyliti (talk • contribs) 01:50, 27 July 2007

Please do not type in all caps. It is the equivalent of shouting, rude, and difficult to read.

It is not our job to intervene in content disputes. If he is consistently adding unsourced information or deleting sourced information, he may be warned. However, in the absence of information provided in either direction, we cannot randomly interfere. It would be advisable to speak with him regarding the questioned information, and ask him to provide a source. If he cannot, then you may remove it, and if he continues to replace it, having been notified of the lack of sources, then we will warn him.

Have a nice day,

The Rhymesmith 02:15, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

Hi, I need some help with this user User talk:Utyliti.

He is changing the page Jealousy/Screwed to Screwed(song), saying the information I have added in the "Jealousy/Screwed" page was false, which is not true, because there were sources to prove it, and he's deleting the information about the song "Jealousy".

I'm not going to change it again because I'm sure he'll continue deleting.

John Biancato 15:57, 27 July 2007 (UTC)


 * I recommend that you request a 3O, which should carry more weight than anything written here. If what you have written here is accurate, then the other party appears to be in the wrong. I take it that the sources in question were reliable per WP's definition? ie. not fora or blogs or yet-another-fansite that has no oversight. Incidentally, it should be Screwed (song) with a space.  Adrian  M. H.  17:19, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

Received Warning for Spamming
Dear Editor,

I attempted to edit: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BF2   on 28 July 07.

I wanted to add material about Battlefield 2 (BF2) and was warned, "Please stop adding inappropriate external links to Wikipedia".

I was trying to provide readers a consolidated visual list of BF2 maps. I attempted to add the following link:

www.spartanwarfighters.net/3mid/6maps/maps.htm

I believe the content is appropriate.

Your assistance is greatly appreciated,

Richard

Login: Sfscriv —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sfscriv (talk • contribs) 07:41, 28 July 2007

This is a content issue, and thus we cannot actually comment on it. The best solution would be to contact the editor who warned you and discuss it with him. If you are unable to reach an agreement, then comment here and we'll do our best. But do talk to the user first.

Have a nice day,

The Rhymesmith 09:00, 28 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Keep it polite, of course, and remember that most editors are (quite rightly) strict about ELs and some are more or less strict than others.  Adrian  M. H.  09:21, 28 July 2007 (UTC)

Person using Twinkle reverts article every time it is updated
Please help. I have no idea how to address this, but user Gscshoyru has activated a program called Twinkle that simply reverts an article every time it is changed. This person has done this consistently and to several people who have tried to post. The posting is to the page for the Analytic Hierarchy Process. There is no contact information about how to get in touch with this person.

Thank you,

John Saaty —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jsaaty (talk • contribs) 21:49, 30 July 2007


 * Ok, I'll leave a message for the editor, however please could you stop the revert battle? Addhoc 21:56, 30 July 2007 (UTC)


 * There isn't a revert battle yet, Gschoyru has left a message on the users talk page about copy-vio problems on Analytic Hierarchy Process. i shall post this text to both editors talk pages. Mik e 33 -  t @ lk  22:08, 30 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Hi Mike, Jsaaty is close to going over the Three-revert rule. --Addhoc 22:14, 30 July 2007 (UTC)

Siding article: using external web addresses as sources
''Moved here from RFF.  Adrian  M. H.  16:15, 30 July 2007 (UTC)''

I recently did a major edit on the wiki siding article. I included a web address as my source, and I noticed it was removed within a day. Am I not allowed to use external web addresses when I am contributing? I would like to know for future reference. Dawmaulan 16:04, 30 July 2007 (UTC)


 * I have moved your question here, Dawmaulan, as it is much more appropriate than RFF (which is for informal peer reviews of work on specified articles). To answer this question, I'll have to do a bit of checking to be sure, but my first guess is that you did not follow WP:REF (minimum) and WP:FN (preferable), which resulted in what amounts only to a group of external links. ELs are usually treated strictly by most editors (myself included) and if it does not obviously function as a satisfactory reference, it will be subject to potentially strict interpretations of that guideline. See discussions at WT:V and WT:RS for more background info about good referencing.  Adrian  M. H.  16:15, 30 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Had the time to do a quick bit of digging. This diff shows the removal of what are undoubtedly spam links that fail to meet the criteria outlined in EL and expected by consensus. You failed to apply these links as sources (never mind even getting as far as using footnotes), so the editor who removed them was correct to do so. I appreciate editors who want to cite their sources, but your effort did not meet WP:V. I often guide new editors in good referencing practices, so if you need advice, you can ask me.  Adrian  M. H.  22:18, 30 July 2007 (UTC)

Need help verifying violation of WP:OR
On the page Man vs. Wild, there has been a continual debate between a few wikipedians who maintain that the show's content is "fake," although they have no external sources. Myself and a few others have attempted to remind them that this is editorializing and no content of that nature can be included without some sort of credible citation. I would appreciate it if we can somehow end the debate that has existed on the talk page for quite some by having a more experienced editor voicing their opinion. If I am proved wrong, I will step aside, hopefully the said can be said for others. --Tao of tyler 02:46, 10 July 2007 (UTC)


 * For those visiting the page, allow me to correct this distortion: the clear majority of the people on the talk page think that criticisms of the show should be allowed. The types of citations range from quotes from the host of the show himself, documented in interviews, to cast member interviews, to photographs from Bear's website, clips of the show, and other primary sources displaying things that require as much "technical knowledge" to interpret as posting a picture of a fire hydrant does, and so.  Some claims were as unreliable as people with expert knowledge publishing in non-peer-reviewed sources such as forums, but others, like the interviews, are as clean-cut as it gets.  Tao of tyler has been very aggressive in attempting to control the article, and won't have any of it.  Thus, I second the request for editors.  I would also request comments on whether we are allowed to label an indisputably well-referenced, dangerous activity as dangerous, or whether we must simply report it as "life saving" because the show does. -- Rei 05:18, 13 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Seeing that multiple participants are involved, 3O is unavailable as an option. However, before the situtation degenerates into one requiring dispute resolution, how about submitting the article for peer review? As a disinterested observer, I think reliable sourcing is important. Just a thought. --Aarktica 13:20, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

Admin assistance needed for page move
User:DustinRamZ has managed to move The Beginning with all it's history to Blood Stayn. He has only made 3 edits and so I can't see how he could be an admin. After moving The Beginning to Blood Stayn he replaced all the information with information about an non-notable band, presumably his own. Could an admin move The Beginning back to it's rightful place and delete the Blood Stayn page. Cheers, Jack 15:55, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Have you tried WP:AN/I? This looks like it might be right up their alley... --Aarktica 16:09, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
 * I disagree. After verifying, the edit seems to be a simple mistake and as such, the user should be given the benefit of the doubt.  The content from both articles is back where it belongs and I have warned User:DustinRamZ. However, I have not read the material on the Blood Stayn article so I suggest you read Wikipedia's deletion policy first and then follow the deletion process if the article satisfies deletion criteria. - Dorvaq (talk) 16:33, 2 August 2007 (UTC)