Wikipedia:Editor review/Freewayguy 3

Freewayguy
i'm still in Orange County. My civility seems to have gotten better, although I don't enjoy books I formerly enjoy studying astronomies and planets. 57 Free  ways  01:17, 25 September 2008 (UTC)

 Reviews 


 * You still lack an understanding of critical Wikipedia guidelines, and you are extremely impatient with others. In addition to this, your English skills need much improvement. Therefore, I do not think that you are ready to go for RFA. --Rschen7754 (T C) 22:41, 30 September 2008 (UTC)


 * What you mean by first sentence?When did I still lack patience. What's wrong with asking other people without yelling? most people writes fast, we do forget contraction sometimes accidentally, everone misspells, it's just mindless mistake.-- SCFR eew  ays  04:34, 1 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Misspell is not I don't know how to spell, I'm just mindless, and what's wrong withit?-- SCFR eew  ays  04:39, 1 October 2008 (UTC)
 * It's not just bad spelling, your grammar is very poor too. Take that sentence for example, "Misspell is not I don't know how to spell" should be "My misspelling is not because I don't know how to spell". Good English is very important when writing an encyclopaedia in English. If you are not a native English speaker, then you may be better off contributing to the Wikipedia in your own language (see www.wikipedia.org for a list of languages).--Tango (talk) 23:50, 3 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Actually, that sentence is more or less, allowing for the dropped "ing" in mispelling, a transcription of colloquial English, with the kind of dropped words that we might not even notice in someone's speech, depends. "[My] mispelling is not [because] I don't know how to spell." People speak this way, and I suspect that Freewayguy probably speaks English fairly well. He's not much of a reader, though, he routinely reads only limited material, probably both in subject and in quantity. And that is going to make him a poor speller and writer. Reading precedes writing. The solution is to read a lot. Don't watch TV, you'll never learn to write from watching and listening. It's from reading.--Abd (talk) 01:36, 22 October 2008 (UTC)
 * I agree, reading a lot is the answer. Reading a lot of Wikipedia would probably help (I'm guessing you do this already, since you're here), but also reading a wide variety of other sources. Fictional books, non-fiction books, newspapers, etc. They all have different styles of writing and it's good to be exposed to all of them. --Tango (talk) 10:40, 31 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Do do too sometimes. Sometimes you Rschen7754 just undo changes and don't explain why. This is not right. You should discuss on talkpage to overcome and compromise.-- SCFR eew  ays  00:54, 2 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Ohter langunage is even tougher to contribute with. With the second language, we use pictoral character. I'm not native on anything other than English. And also I hadn't have and civil problems lately, and I hadn't been engage in any war.-- SCFR eew  ays  00:21, 4 October 2008 (UTC)


 * yes, Tango, I do see the list of language on Wiki main page, this is always the first thing I'll see just right when I start to jump to contributing day. I do have less ability on language, on anything else besides English, with my own lagunage which is not English, my speaking will definitely be crappier than the way I speak in English. CountyLemonade had said this to me once. I hope the community have forgotten about the civil problem is like 3 month ago, and I've been closer to RFA from back then.-- SCFR eew  ays  00:26, 4 October 2008 (UTC)
 * If English is your best language and it's this bad, then writing encyclopaedias probably isn't the hobby for you. I'm sorry if that's a little harsh, but I think it needs to be said. --Tango (talk) 23:51, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Tango, wold you like me to use Microsoft Office first, or prior to talkpage or articles I use sandbox or Microsoft office to check grammar, becasue microsoft Office automatically highlights phrase in green to anything with grammar errors. They also outlink misspell terms in orange, I just have to right-click, then I can fix the misspell right away. I've seen a Wiki essay tell us to use Microsoft Office If we don't want other people to criticize me about poor language habits.-- SCFR eew  ays  00:46, 9 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Spelling and grammar checkers are good for catching typos, I don't think that's enough for you, I'm afraid - I suggest you enrol in an English course at your local school/college/adult education centre. --Tango (talk) 10:13, 9 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Looking at his edits in the standard editor, with Firefox, lots of words are underlined in red, so paying attention to that would catch some of the errors. Others won't be caught that simply, a grammar checker will catch more, but still miss plenty. Using Word would help. As a courtesy to the project, I'd recommend it for him, as long as the error rate is as high as it is. Not difficult: write everything in Word, then copy and paste into the browser. And then be grateful that others fix what errors remain, if they are in articles. --Abd (talk) 01:43, 22 October 2008 (UTC)


 * I'm concerned about recent behavior at the Ref Desks, such as this thread. Coupled with the grammar and spelling addressed above, the alternation of question with (dubious) assertion reflects poorly on the editor.  I also disapprove of the deletion of content from others' talk pages. A note of "somebody else answered" would be much preferable to removal. &mdash; Lomn 03:34, 9 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Additionally, the editor cites blue supergiant as an example of improving article work. The editor added seven sources to the article and removed the unreferenced tag.  However, I have removed five of those sources as completely irrelevant to the article.  That's not a good success rate at all, and the removal of the unreferenced tag was likely premature. &mdash; Lomn 03:44, 9 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Blue giant is even worse. The editor added five sources, all of which I removed as irrelevant to the material at hand. &mdash; Lomn 03:51, 9 October 2008 (UTC)
 * This question is a bit harsh, but it needs to be asked: What have you done that has improved Wikipedia? --Rschen7754 (T C) 04:07, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

Lomn, this is not about blue giant or blue supergiant, but I do get possibly confuse with some specific vocabs like "Possible" and "Greenhouse effect". i thought possible always mean likely, and Greenhouse effect always mean adding atmospheric pressure.-- SCFR eew  ays  18:08, 9 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Can you guys guy stop criticizing me. I hadn't made any personal attacks lately. Is just I have trouble telling which source is right and which source is not. The problem or weakest point for me is trying to understand an article, source, and essay. I do misunderstand some critical vocabs. Though. Do we offer a specific coaching to help my writing style improve?-- SCFR eew  ays  18:08, 9 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Criticism is the whole point of editor review. We've tried to be as constructive as possible. Wikipedia doesn't really offer any way of helping with basic language skills. More advanced stuff, maybe, but the basics you need to go to professionals for - I'm sure your local area will have English courses available. --Tango (talk) 18:16, 9 October 2008 (UTC)
 * So being admin is not only being civl? Is admin a grant for good work or being admin is a careful job?-- Freeway 9  1  20:44, 9 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Care and thought is not only part of adminship, but is far more important (in practical terms) than civility. &mdash; Lomn 20:23, 9 October 2008 (UTC)
 * So becoming an admin is not a gift for good work? Do admins have to know alot of stuffs and know how to help other users?-- Freeway 9  1  20:44, 9 October 2008 (UTC)
 * You are not even close to being an administrator. How do we know that you will be careful when blocking users and reverting vandalism when you aren't even careful with spelling, basic grammar, editing tables, or with not giving death threats to people? --Rschen7754 (T C) 21:13, 9 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Adminship isn't a gift, it's a responsibility. It's given to people that the community feels they can trust with it. That requires you to be both trusted not to intentionally harm the site (as long as you've been around a while and haven't caused too much upset recently it's not too hard to pass that part), but it also requires you to be trusted to be competent with the tools. Writing good articles isn't really relevant to being an admin (although it helps), you need to show that you are familiar with the site's policies and processes and are able to follow them and work well with the rest of the community. Even if you are completely civil, your poor language skills will still make it difficult for you to work with the community. For example, admins need to gauge consensus on AFDs and that requires reading and understanding the points people have made and, in controversial situations, explaining your decisions carefully so everyone understands. If you misunderstand what people are saying or if they misunderstand what you are saying you will likely cause unnecessary drama. --Tango (talk) 21:17, 9 October 2008 (UTC)
 * I hadn't made any signle death threats lately. Just because I'm not carful with spelling, grammar this doesn't mean I will make slurs. I'm not big with blocking users, I will just ask another admins if this users should be block or not. I thought I was clsoer than few month ago, but still far away.-- Freeway 9  1  21:19, 9 October 2008 (UTC)
 * I've work on Category:U.S. road articles with an exit list needing attention. Will Simple English work better for me. If I don't have any ohter language I'm better to sub English CountyLemonade might like me to try contributing simple english. If I'm not golden in writing skills Scott say I can sign up in forum websites.-- Freeway 1  9  22:39, 13 October 2008 (UTC)
 * You could have a go at Simple English, but it can actually be harder to write Simple English than standard English. It's easier to read, but harder to write because you need to restrict yourself to certain words and sentence structures. --Tango (talk) 10:23, 14 October 2008 (UTC)
 * 1) I've noticed some rather awkward AfD comments; reasoning that has nothing to do with deletion, misunderstanding the nature of the article, so on. I'd refrain from RfA if I was you, although I'd point out Editor Review is not a forum designed to "vet" potential admins. Ironholds (talk) 23:50, 17 October 2008 (UTC)
 * With astronomy is not even easy. The thing is having multiples of source saying differ stuff. What I'm weak at is understanding a story. Since i have little expirnce over Wiki, do we have any projects is easy for me, or should I joing forum website?-- Free way  guy  02:56, 18 October 2008 (UTC)
 * I didn't understand most of that, which is probably an answer in itself. Things like good language skills are essential, really; what is your first language? Wikipedia has projects in languages other than english. You could work with them. Ironholds (talk) 03:00, 18 October 2008 (UTC)
 * I know. But I'm not good at them either. English to me is the best I can do. Than what else I can work on other than language other than English. Scott encourage me to join Yahoo and Google highway groups, and they could be happy to answer any particualr questions about highways I have.-- Free way  guy  03:06, 18 October 2008 (UTC)
 * my first language is Eastern Asia language, but I left East Asia when I was little and came to Los Angeles-Orange County when i was little, than I came to school and start learning English, prior to the time I was in elementary school. With East-far vocabs, I can mess up mor than I do with English.-- Free way  guy  03:09, 18 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Can somebody answer me back please?-- Free way  guy  22:18, 20 October 2008 (UTC)
 * I stand by my previous advice: You need to enrol in an course at a local school/college/etc. to improve your English. Your English isn't good enough to make significant contributions to an encyclopaedia, so if English is your best language you need to either not contribute or do something to improve your language skills. Personally, I think improving your English would be an excellent idea - it will help you a lot in life. --Tango (talk) 22:25, 20 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Tango, I'm not in college yet, i'm finishing up the last year of high school. will mistrans highway google or yahoo groups forum be a good place for me to go now?-- Free way  guy  22:53, 20 October 2008 (UTC)
 * If you're still in high school you need to stop spending so much time on the internet and study harder - I expect you could find an English teacher in your school willing to help you after school if you show you are keen. --Tango (talk) 23:16, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

What is frustrating is that you have bad English skills and then you expect everyone to bend over backwards to accommodate you and cater to your needs. This is not a school - we cannot teach you English. We cannot clean up after your messy edits. (That is why I've been reverting them instead of fixing them - I have a life too, and I can't just sit there and fix your edits as well as every other new editor who screws things up.) If you don't want your edits mercilessly reverted or edited, WP is not the place for you. --Rschen7754 (T C) 05:21, 21 October 2008 (UTC)
 * This doesn't matter if people suck or not, you still shouldn't be mean.-- Free way  guy  22:24, 21 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Tango, this shouldn't be said to any users. This doesn't matter what they want to do at their own time. I find highways amazing, learning about the sites in Rosemead, El Monte, Arcadia, places in East LA. i like learning about fwys like I-710, 605, CA-134, 118, those is my top favorite highways in my mind. I like the SR 134 in California because it travels through ABC7 station, and better in traffic condition than Hollywood Fwy. Geenally I know mor about planets in school even then my school principal, and if I had a competition with few students in school, I would be the one who knows the most. Plus I know mor about highways than anybody else in my schools around Los Angeels-Orange County, plus some about San Diego and San Francisco. Those is my strongest point as person right now. Tango, you can see some of my strong points.-- Free way  guy  23:27, 21 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Freewayguy, you asked for editor review. It's bad form to argue with what you've asked for. Just read it, you don't have to swallow it, but try to learn from it. Having said this, I want to encourage you. I'll echo what others have said, your English skills are very poor, though that's a relative thing. You have much better skills in English than I do in, say, Chinese. Here is what I think: practice makes perfect, but if you think that your English is just fine, you won't learn. To improve your skills, you will have to read a lot. If you do this, you will come to a place where bad spelling and grammar just don't look right. As for contributing to Wikipedia, if you make contributions to articles, and they are well-sourced, even if they are not proper spelling or grammar, others can fix this. The hard part is actually finding the sources, and extracting what is important from them. Watch what others do with your writing. Be careful, and try to always contribute more in value than will be consumed to clean up after you. If you ask, I'd watch your contributions and do some cleanup for you. Editor review isn't for admin prep, but I'll say this: I've seen no admins with such a low level of proficiency. You can fix this, but it will take time. Whether it is fair or not, people will judge you by the quality of your English, if a job involves English, and being an admin on en.wikipedia certainly does. Elsewhere you mention being a mailman and $12 per hour as good. Maybe. Depends. It's pretty hard to support a family on that and, I understand, that's not on your mind now. It will be later. You can get a job as a mailman if you can read well enough, and probably you can. But that's it, you'll be stuck, you're not likely to get a better job in the postal system, or pretty much anywhere in the U.S., without better English. I'm sure you can do it, if you put in the time. And remember to have fun. --Abd (talk) 01:25, 22 October 2008 (UTC)
 * I can speak fluent Englsih, but I have trouble using it, this is what my dad said. I only kno how to spell Englsih but I can't use it. One when I just blank talk to my school principal about LA-Orange maps, Caltranss, solar ssytem, he once send my to library about green plant search, when he knew I didn't study enough. My principal said doing online search is good for me, my other assistance principal thinks this teaches me how to use language skill, my mom/dad said I do more, I get more, when I try to avoid problem, I'm hurting myself.-- Free  way  guy  03:05, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

This diff speaks volumes. I appreciate that you are trying to better the encyclopedia by providing the maintenance parameter on infoboxes—it is a task that needs to be done—but if it's not done right we'd rather it not be done at all. Wyoming's highway agency is not called "WY State Highway", it's WYDOT. All you had to do is type the words "Wyoming transportation" into Google and WYDOT pops right up. That research takes all of about five seconds. Furthermore, "highway" is misspelled and the whole thing is miscapitalized. Not only that, but instead of a pipe character ("|") you inserted a backlash ("\"), which led to some odd looking red text being displayed in the infobox. And then you just left it like that. See, this is the problem—you're careless. Take the time to use the preview button, and above all, make sure what you're adding is right. This is why your edits get reverted—because they're wrong, and they usually contain careless mistakes.—Scott5114↗ [EXACT CHANGE ONLY] 06:44, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
 * That's just one edit. Multiply that by the thirty to forty you make a day. It takes us at least 1-2 minutes to fix that. Multiply that by 30, and you have thirty minutes to an hour. That is more time than we have - we'd like to make contributions of our own rather than clean up after your crummy edits. Do you see why I've just reverted them instead of fixed them? --Rschen7754 (T C) 07:00, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Another example of behavior that would "black flag" my vote in a run for adminship on your part is exhibited on this page: you have identified yourself with five different signatures. You started as 57Freeways, then appeared as SCFReeways, Freeway91, Freeway19 and finally chose to continue as Freewayguy. Although I knew it was you before reading the signature based on your unique writing pattern, and I am sure many of the other contributers here could ID you with no signature at all for the same reason, the effect of these signature changes is negative to understanding to us and certainly to those who don't know about this particular habit of yours.
 * To give you an idea of what you are facing trying to avoid being hurt by the many completely unbiased, thoughtful comments here in your third editor review, I would like you to consider the following analogy. Try to view Wikipedia as if it were the sport of basketball. Readers would be the fans, casual editors would be high school players, regular contributors would be NCAA players and administrators would be NBA players. You have a style and command of the English language that would place you on the bench, coming in during the end of blow out games, on the small high school level. Still, you are interested in playing in the NBA, that is becoming an administrator in Wikipedia. You are not weeks or months away from becoming a decent player, you are years away. You need to read English regularly during that time. This is obvious to everyone but you. You shouldn't feel hurt. You have a long life ahead of you, and in the years to come you have the opportunity to improve your English skills to a level that is not only acceptable but exemplary. But, again, that will take years. Understanding this and admitting it will go a long way toward having your sense of patience becoming appreciated. Right now, your lack of patience is still a very major issue, and the negative evidence is mounting here on this page. You would be well served to close this discussion with a thank you and an admission that you need to spend a lot of time working on your English on your own time outside of Wikipedia. Sswonk (talk) 14:09, 2 November 2008 (UTC)


 * lately by changing shiel templates, I don't know why Rschen have been doing this. This didn't mess up anything. was this becaue my summary wasn't clear? I like to abrviate. For Pink tag now I call them sd tag. I know Greenloop is not existing term-- FR W  Y  00:31, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

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 * 1) Of your contributions to Wikipedia, are there any about which you are particularly pleased, and why?
 * I have gotten around learning little more about planets and small details. jupiter's sky i learnt to be blue. I've improved some astro articles like Blue giant Blue supergiant.-- 57 Free  ways  01:22, 25 September 2008 (UTC)
 * 1) Have you been in any conflicts over editing in the past or do you feel other users have caused you stress? How have you dealt with it and how will you deal with it in the future?
 * Some warrings over Interstate 5 in California, u.S. Route 101 in California. Warring is totally unacceptable, annoys people who want to know the diffs 10 minutes ago, they don't like to see clogging up history just fighting. I learn to just discuss issues on talkpage.-- 57 Free  ways  01:22, 25 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Some warrings over Interstate 5 in California, u.S. Route 101 in California. Warring is totally unacceptable, annoys people who want to know the diffs 10 minutes ago, they don't like to see clogging up history just fighting. I learn to just discuss issues on talkpage.-- 57 Free  ways  01:22, 25 September 2008 (UTC)