Wikipedia:Editor review/Imoeng

User:Imoeng
Hello people! I have been here for around, umm, July, August, September, October, yeah, about 4 months. One thing about me, I do not like to contribute to AfD and other deletion stuff, I just don't like to do it, ahahaha. Probably because I really respect other's work, although some articles are just rubbish (jokes articles). So I am here go ask for feedback on things I have been doing around here. My contributions are around WP:INA, WP:PID, WP:RFF and improving Indonesia-related articles. Cheers -- I   mo   eng  11:06, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

 Reviews 
 * My review:
 * I have been worked with Imoeng for a several months on WIkiproject Indonesia, and particularly closely over the last few weeks on an intensive collaboration drive to improve the Indonesia article. Imoeng as been at Wikiepdia since Jul 2006. There are many fine qualities of Imoeng that deserve mentioning which I have no hesitation in mentioning as a look through his contribs back up my views.
 * General comendations
 * * On Wikipedia, Imoeng is a ‘’’Leader’’’. He is a great motivator and inspires people to do great work. For example, some weeks ago I tried to gently play down some of his admirable but lofty ambitions fearing he was aiming too high for himself, the Indonesia-related articles and its editors, and he would be disappointed. However he has proven me wrong and achieved a number of his ambitious goals already. The most impressive aspect was that this was not done alone, but by cobbling together a disparate group of editors, bringing them with him, and setting us to work willingly!! See Wikiproject Indonesia
 * * Imoeng shows great initiative and enthusiasm, which allow him to achieve highly. This enthusiasm rubs off on others. He often has little projects going – this week a new one has been a barnstar for great work on Indonesian related articles. He also has wikipedia’s growth of good info foremost at heart and concentrates on adding info rather than monitoring others.
 * * In my opinion, Imoeng has outstanding people skills. Apart from his afore-mentioned leadership abilities, he is extremely polite and patient even with people less gifted in getting along. He never looses his cool (at least not that I have seen) and always works collaboratively, and rather than finding the compromise, finds the superior “win-win”.
 * * Imoeng is well-aware of his weaknesses and knows how to improve himself in these areas. If not, he can manage and/or compensate well for these weaknesses. This is partly why my recommendations for improvement (below) are so few – they are hard to find!
 * Specific commendations
 * * Imoeng, after only a few months on Wikipedia, took it upon himself to create a portal for Indonesia. Portal:Indonesia. It achieved featured portal status based almost entirely on his work. Superb work.
 * * He is the instigator and main driver behind the WikiProject Indonesia. He carries out this role enthusiastically and diplomatically. That he is only one of a large number of editors is in (a large) part due to his enthusiasm rubbing off on others.
 * * He is an extremely diligent in finding references. The Indonesia article is a case in point. From memory, it had no references only 1 month ago – it is now getting close to 80.


 * Recommendations for improvement
 * * As noted above, Imoeng is an extremely diligent reference provider. He should continue this. I would encourage him though to go that extra step and – where necessary – find that better quality, say more scholarly citation. Of course, an OK cite is better than none, but working to find that even better one is one of the best ways to boost wikipedia’s credibility. This is an important recommendation for improvement, but is made upon already great work in this area – and he is a much better referencer than me!!!
 * Keep up the good work. --Merbabu 13:43, 11 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Review from Hildanknight
 * Imoeng has done some excellent work on Wikipedia, particularly improving Indonesia-related articles and responding to feedback requests posted at Requests for feedback, a Wikipedia process I created. For this, he has received barnstars from several users, including two Exceptional Newcomer barnstars. For some time, I have been considering nominating him for adminship. The only area in which I feel he needs improvement is...his English. --J.L.W.S. The Special One 14:20, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
 * His English is the "weakness" I alluded to in my post above but he is well-aware of this and requests people to check his English in articles. In fact he has told people in the past he sees Wikiepedia as a way to improve his English. He is studying outside his native Indonesia in part to do just this. --Merbabu 00:37, 12 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Hello Imoeng. Here are some thoughts.
 * First of all, a critic: your signature is pretty long, almost 300 characters. Note that a 200 characters signature is considered too long.
 * Now, reviewing your last 2500 edits, you have around 500 in user talk pages other than your own. That is a pretty good amount! Almost 20% of your edits are talking with others, and since Wikipedia is a community-driven site, interaction is always welcomed. Around 200 edits are done in article talk pages, so around 30% of your edits have been done in order to communicate with others.
 * Around 300 edits were done in the Wikipedia namespace, most of them in "feedback" places (peer review, requests for feedback, help desk, proposals, etc). This implies you care about helping others. It is always good to see a user caring about others!
 * Now, the fact that you are contributing with articles in your location is very welcomed. It is easy to write about games, books and fantasy in general, but when you contribute with topics of your location that may not be very known, you are doing a favour to us all.
 * I notice you have VP approval, but don't really spend time chasing vandals. As you focus in articles, that is understandable. However, it is good to see you have had experience interacting with others, so you may be cool enough to handle vandals once you decide to go after them.
 * Overall, you are a pretty good user. If you don't like discussing in AFDs because you respect the works of others, you may consider giving a hand at Articles for creation, eliminating articles that would not fit Wikipedia before they are included. Also, you can check Featured article review, where people review featured articles to see if they should be removed. Either work may fit you, as you prefer helping people building good articles than in deleting them. Good luck! -- ReyBrujo 21:10, 14 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Review from Indon
 * it's a bit messy of indentation here, I hope you can read my review.


 * I know Imoeng since I joined Wikiproject Indonesia. He is a very good communicator. Wikiproject Indonesia was his idea, he built it and has made a lot of progress. One big achievement is the Portal Indonesia. He created the portal and the portal reached feature status in about 20 days!! (I counted it myself). I noticed also when he had to be away for his real-life exam, the project seemed lost its engine.


 * Imoeng also joined WP:RFF, a good place to help newbies editing an article. I've used that place to ask my first main contribution, and it is such a good project. This shows how Imoeng is a person who can easily give his hands helping others.


 * In terms of editing an article, I'm very impressed on how he could get missing references. He may have lack of English skill, so do I. However it does not mean that he is not a good contributor in WP. I prefer to work with a not-so-good-English-skill person to improve an article, as long as we can collaborate each other, than a native English speaker who does not want to contribute in copyediting (well, I have met such a person in WP, a native English as it is said in his userbox, but he only contributes only by putting any kinds of WP:TC tags, and worse that he didn't put any explanation in the talk page).


 * So for Imoeng, good luck. You are a very good wikipedian that I know. Cheers. &mdash; Indon ( reply ) &mdash; 09:12, 16 October 2006 (UTC)


 * As promised, here's my review. I don't want to repeat others above, so I will abstain from commenting on your commendable article building record and rather focus on an administrative perspective of your contributions, as you express that you desire to become an administrator.
 * Countervandalism: Good. I see that you are using VP2, although not for a long time. Perhaps you should keep up your VP vandal fight a few more weeks before attempting an RfA on the grounds that you need the admin tools in order to enhance your countervandalism performance.
 * XfD: No participation, and this is quite a concern. Administrators are expected to carry out other tasks than just countervandalism, such as closing AfDs and deleting pages that were deemed not suitable for inclusion. Although you state that you don't like to participate in XfD discussions because you don't like to have others' work deleted, it is important that you understand that many articles compromise Wikipedia's status as an accurate and useful encyclopedia. There's a constant flow of trash/spam/unencyclopedic stuff trying to infest Wikipedia, and it's of great importance for an administrator to be able to discern what merits a place on WP, and what doesn't. You should really participate on XfD and become accustomed to the policies for deletion/speedy deletion.
 * Overall, you're on the right path. As of this moment, my stance on your RfA would be neutral, or even weak support. Give it a few more weeks with increased participation on administrative oriented tasks and I'll definitely support you. Till then, happy editing! Regards.-- Hús  ö  nd  18:22, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

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 Questions


 * 1) Of your contributions to Wikipedia, are there any about which you are particularly pleased, and why?
 * In the earlier period of my contribution, I joined WikiProject Guitarists and created a number of Indonesian guitarists articles. Then I realised many Indonesia-related articles are under-developed. That is why I created WikiProject Indonesia and Indonesian Portal, which is a featured portal now (and updating the content with other project members). I really pleased with the portal because I made that in a night. I have also created the Indonesian collaboration. The articles I am pleased with are Religion in Indonesia and Tourism in Indonesia. Oh, and finding citations for Indonesia :P.


 * 1) Have you been in any conflicts over editing in the past or do you feel other users have caused you stress? How have you dealt with it and how will you deal with it in the future?
 * Hmm, well, I can think of one and the most stressing problem, with User:SatuSuro. It happened during Tourism in Indonesia collaboration that he did not put any citation whatsoever. Although I realised I should have let him do his work, the reason why I took that seriously was because it was our first collaboration and I want the best for it. The conflict was pretty serious, but its okay now. In the future, I reckon respect and civility are the most important things, beside communication. Okay that is enough, ahahaha. Thanks.


 * 1) What would you do where you found an article has no citations at all - now? SatuSuro 14:27, 9 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Well I will look at some aspects, such as my mood at that time, the importance of the article, and whether I enjoy expanding it. For example, Indonesian collaboration articles are highly important (that is why its nominated), so I usually focusing on these kind of articles. However, for some articles, that I do not really know the subject matter, I'd rather skip it so I will not make silly mistake. Thanks for asking! I   mo   eng  09:11, 10 October 2006 (UTC)


 * 1) The Indonesian language wikipedia has less than 100,000 articles have you translated/transfered any articles between projects? Gnangarra 15:35, 9 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Actually yes, but those were in my earlier period, when I wrote some guitarists article. I do not really remember which articles, but I reckon, umm, Abdee Negara, Ridho, and Dewa Budjana. Probably there is more, or less :P. Thanks for asking! I   mo   eng  09:11, 10 October 2006 (UTC)


 * 1) Imoeng, what does "ahahaha" mean? You use it frequently and I'm not sure if your laughing at people or just being happy or maybe something else altogether.  I find it a bit annoying I have to say. -- I@n 01:14, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Oh sorry mate, I didn't mean to. I've never meant to. I am not laughing at people, I am just being happy all the time. I dont know why, maybe its because I am Taurus. Taken from the article, "practical, reliable, patient, sensuous, affectionate, competent, ambitious, and determined character, but one which is also prone to laziness, jealousy, inflexibility, greediness, and stubborness.". I also always use it for chatting, :D. Oh well, if it annoys people, I will stop. Cheers -- I   mo   eng  02:44, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
 * You don't have to stop on my behalf. You can do whatever you want. -- I@n 02:56, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Well I don't want to annoy people, but sometimes I cannot avoid it (I almost type that again now). Cheers -- I   mo   eng  02:59, 12 October 2006 (UTC)


 * 1) You dont use the same user ID on the Indonesian wikipedia why, also your User page here doesn't link to your Indonesian WP account? Gnangarra forgot to sign Gnangarra 06:18, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Hello again Gnangarra. My first account on Indonesian wikipedia was Imoeng, but then I forgot the password (and I didn't enter my email address). So, if I am not mistaken, I created ImoengID. Actually when I created the account, my only intention is to check something (which I forgot what that was), and I was not thinking about editing on Indonesian Wikipedia. Maybe in the future I will, if my contribution is no longer needed here, which I already feel its no longer needed. Thanks for asking -- I   mo   eng  08:27, 12 October 2006 (UTC)


 * 1) I am a bit boring today, going nowhere in WP, finally found this page. Well, why don't I ask something to Imoeng ;-). Imoeng, I'm impressed with your "googling" power to find references. I noted that you like to put citations from any website. How do you check the reliability of the source that you included in an article from a website? &mdash; Indon ( reply ) &mdash; 09:00, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Hello Indon! There are some things I need to consider to select an appropriate website. And I believe, most (not all, of course) of my citations were from notable websites. So, firstly I need to see the writer and the publisher. If its a government or notable organisations, such as ecology conservation stuff, then I do not need to worry. The other thing is to find pdf files, which are likely to be a report or research paper. Another method, is to select which ones are not notable rather than which ones are. Of course, blogs are nowhere near notable, as well as random comments from random people. Probably that is much about it. Please ask this again in more on my talk page if you want. Thanks for asking! I   mo   eng  15:08, 13 October 2006 (UTC)