Wikipedia:Editor review/LordSunday

LordSunday*
I want to know what I need to become an admin. Pedro says I won't make it, but I'd like to know why. Thanks. &mdash; §unday  { Q } 14:45, 20 September 2008 (UTC)

 Reviews  Review by Pedro Hi Lord Sunday, and apologies fo rthe delay in reviewing you. I think the first thing here is to differentiate between an editor review as a review of your work so far and adminship. Good quality editing does not, be neccesity, lead to adminship. Your editing work is first rate. You're clearly motivated to help Wikipedia create more Featured and Good Articles - which we should all be doing. You clearly have the collaborative drive as well, working with other editors rather than independently. And you're not afraid to ask for input. As an editor you are, simply, far far better than me and I'm in admiration of your edits. The adminship thing is a bigger issue, and obviously it's what you want (hence the opening statement of this ER). As I stated on talk I'm not prepared to nominate you and I don't believe you would pass. As noted else where this is only my opinion. The problems are largely held at User:LordSunday/Mentoring. The thing is that the errors there are just to recent. Yes, you've learnt from them, but it's not really a question of being "told" what you can and can't do - I think that after a few thousand edits it becomes more instinctive. No-one is expecting potential admins to know every last bit of policy. But what I don't get from you is an awareness that Wikipedia is not just about becoming an admin or what our goals are. Also I don't get the notion that being an admin is "no-big-deal". Becoming an admin is a big deal (sadly) but actually being one isn't. The major problems are; I'm not saying you'll never be an admin. But RFA is not about WP:AGF - it's about WP:CLUE and I suspect that if you ran you'd be torn apart. RFA is viscious, and bluntly I suspect you'd take a failed RFA badly. And I would prefer we retain your editing skills. Pedro : Chat  13:11, 21 September 2008 (UTC)
 * It's not that I want to be an admin, it's that I want to know what I need to become one. Does that sound right? ;) &mdash; Sunday   His Grandiloquence  20:23, 21 September 2008 (UTC)
 * 1) My Question "Under what circumstances would you delete "a notable article that is stub class"?
 * Response "If it were poorly written with no references or without sufficient information"
 * Reason Far to deletion happy - you need to be more in tune with the idea of nurturing a stub into a good article.
 * 1) My Question "Under what circumstances would you block an IP indefinately?"
 * Response I would block a IP indefinitely if he/she caused disruption to articles at least 10 times
 * Reason Need to fundamentally understand what damage blocks of IP's can do.
 * 1) My Question "why I would think that a bad deletion can be damaging - why would I think that?"
 * Response because the sysop who deleted the page incorrectly will be possibly punished?
 * Reason Need to fundamentally understand the role of a sysop - "punshment" is not a reason not to do something. Harming Wikipedia is a reason not to do something.

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 * You say "I want to know what I need to become an admin", but the Editor Review mainpage says "If you are here because your goal is to become an administrator, you should direct yourself to Admin coaching". Are you sure you're in the right room?   SIS   23:04, 20 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Yes. I've been coached. &mdash; Sunday   [+-+-]  00:26, 21 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Apparently you haven't been taught how to read though. --Malleus Fatuorum (talk) 01:08, 21 September 2008 (UTC)

 Questions
 * Going based on how to be an admin, based on editing patterns your contributions seem fine. However, based on the responses offered by Pedro, it seems like you need to understand policies more. I'll put a question or two below. Wizardman  17:55, 21 September 2008 (UTC)


 * 1) Of your contributions to Wikipedia, are there any about which you are particularly pleased, and why?
 * Well, I've contributed to seven featured articles, 2 of them substantially. I feel that my work with WikiProject Earthquakes has been helpful to Wikipedia's coverage on the subject. I've also contributed seven GAs, two of which I am working on to bring to FA status.
 * 1) Have you been in any conflicts over editing in the past or do you feel other users have caused you stress? How have you dealt with it and how will you deal with it in the future?
 * Not really. I'm generally a calm person. If I were to get into a heated discussion, I'd kindly talk it out and eventually report it if it gets too bad.
 * 1) What's the difference between a block and a ban?  Wizardman  17:55, 21 September 2008 (UTC)
 * A block is a technical process that is used to prevent an account or IP address from editing Wikipedia. A ban is a social construct and does not disable a user's ability to edit any page in any way.
 * Lord Sunday - this is exactly what I'm trying to communicate to you. Half of this reply is from the WP:BAN page (a "social construct") with no understanding behind it. Banned editors explicitly cannot edit - a ban very much disables their ability to edit, through the technical measure of a block on any accounts or IP's they use. You either have not understood this or have communicated your thoughts in such a way as to totally undermine your answer. Pedro : Chat  22:05, 21 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Yes, merely repeating the policy section without really understanding the actual ban process shows where you need to improve. Wizardman  23:24, 21 September 2008 (UTC)
 * I think I should withdraw this. I don't really want to be an admin, and I don't wanna waste your time. My half-hearted replies are only part of my negativity towards becoming an admin. I don't need it, and don't really want it. See ya! ;) &mdash; Sunday   | Speak  23:54, 21 September 2008 (UTC)
 * I think I should withdraw this. I don't really want to be an admin, and I don't wanna waste your time. My half-hearted replies are only part of my negativity towards becoming an admin. I don't need it, and don't really want it. See ya! ;) &mdash; Sunday   | Speak  23:54, 21 September 2008 (UTC)