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Castles and Town Walls of King Edward in Gwynedd

 * Contributor(s): hchc2009 Nev1

All of these fortifications, forming the World Heritage site in North Wales, are now at GA, along with their builder, Edward I. #Hchc2009 (talk) 15:04, 3 January 2013 (UTC) --Hchc2009 (talk) 15:04, 3 January 2013 (UTC)


 * Support--Sturmvogel 66 (talk) 15:55, 3 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Support. Looks good to me. Nice to see a new field of interest here, too! GRAPPLE   X  23:49, 3 January 2013 (UTC)
 * I am not convinced that the king should be included here, since this is a subtopic on him. Nergaal (talk) 19:09, 10 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Being a newbie to the GA topic process, I'll go with whatever the consensus is on this! Hchc2009 (talk) 20:24, 10 January 2013 (UTC)


 * It could go either way. Inclusion makes sense but the topic wouldn't be considered incomplete if it wasn't in there. GRAPPLE   X  20:26, 10 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Support only without the king. Nergaal (talk) 19:56, 26 January 2013 (UTC)

Comment main article lead says "The Castles and Town Walls..." - where I live, castles and town walls aren't proper nouns... is there a good reason for that particular capitalisation? The Rambling Man (talk) 19:10, 11 January 2013 (UTC)
 * I suspect its because that's the UN formal phrasing in the listing (I'm guessing because they see it as a proper noun, rather than a common one), but my grammar's not good enough to tell if that's correct or not! Hchc2009 (talk) 19:14, 11 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Problem is that the other items in the topic use this terms inconsistently then, only the main article seems to capitalise "Castle" and "Town Wall". Should be reasonably easy to resolve?  The Rambling Man (talk) 19:21, 11 January 2013 (UTC)
 * I may be missing the bits concerned (has been a long day at work!), but I think the others do capitalise the phrase "Castles and Town Walls of King Edward in Gwynedd"; which ones have missed it? Hchc2009 (talk) 19:26, 11 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Thing is, even if that's the case, why? Castle and town wall are not proper nouns.  The other good articles talk about other "castles" and "town walls", so why is the main article using this odd capitalisation?  The Rambling Man (talk) 19:52, 11 January 2013 (UTC)
 * I can raise the question with the UNESCO World Heritage Site project if you like (NB: I inherited the title when I improved the article, so have no vested interest here!). I suspect, though, that there is a difference between "the castles and town walls built by Edward in Gwynedd" and the more limited, and specific, "Castles and Town Walls of King Edward in Gwynedd" - the formal UN title of the sits which the article is about. The MOS guidance on "Political or geographical units" might well support this (e.g. the MOS has "The City of Smithville has a population of 55,000" but "The city has a population of 55,000") Hchc2009 (talk) 20:03, 11 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Yep, I understand. So in that case, UNESCO make no mention of Conwy town walls (for instance), just to be sure?  The Rambling Man (talk) 20:10, 11 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Have checked. Both UNESCO and Cadw (the current owners) use the specific phrase "Castles and Town Walls of King Edward in Gwynedd" with capitals when talking about the inscribed site (to use the legal phrase!), but when talking about the castles and town walls more generally use phrases like "four castles", "fortified walls", " four great castles and two sets of town walls" etc. without capitals. Hchc2009 (talk) 14:02, 12 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Okay, cool, thanks very much for making the effort! The Rambling Man (talk) 14:07, 12 January 2013 (UTC)
 * No problem! :) Hchc2009 (talk) 14:11, 12 January 2013 (UTC)

Support and thanks again for responding kindly to my pickiness. The Rambling Man (talk) 21:13, 15 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Since there is a Support on the topic to have without the king being part of it, there's needs to be a consensus on weither the article should remain or not. GamerPro64  16:35, 1 February 2013 (UTC)
 * I'm entirely neutral on the matter, so I would assume then that since the only specific opinion on the matter is for it not to be included then it should go through without. That does open the door for this, as a subtopic, to be part of a broader topic on the king I guess. GRAPPLE   X  16:43, 1 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Fine by me. Hchc2009 (talk) 17:00, 1 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Closed with a consensus to promote to Good Topic with exception of Edward I of England. - GamerPro64  18:20, 19 February 2013 (UTC)