Wikipedia:Featured and good topic candidates/Maya Angelou/archive1

Maya Angelou

 * Contributor(s): Christine

This nomination represents a long-standing goal of mine to have a Maya Angelou FT. It also represents several years of work, done almost entirely by me. I believe that with 3 FAs (one of which is the main bio), 2 FLs, and 7 GAs (with more to come), this topic more than fulfills the FT criteria. Thanks. --Christine (Figureskatingfan) (talk) 14:59, 12 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Question - When you say "with more to come", do you mean this topic is incomplete? GamerPro64  15:16, 12 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Not at all. I mean that the GAs are sure to become FAs in the future, and that other articles will be added.  (I currently have two more MA-articles at GAC.)  I mean that with a large topic such as this, and with Angelou continuing to write books well into her 80s, it has a lot of room to grow.  I was told  that once I got the list of honors to FL, I could bring it here.  I think the above list is representative of her life and works. Christine (Figureskatingfan) (talk) 15:35, 12 April 2013 (UTC)


 * Well, I see only 6 of 13 articles/lists as FA equivalents, which doesn't meet the 50% criteria for a FT vs. a GT. Resubmit as a GT or wait until another GA has been promoted.--Sturmvogel 66 (talk) 18:28, 18 April 2013 (UTC)
 * I got excited after the most recent article passed to GA, after I submitted this FT. I can withdraw this nomination now and wait for another FA, or I can remove the article in question. Christine (Figureskatingfan) (talk) 19:57, 19 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Christine, there is a massive amount of work here, (I promoted one of the GAs, so I'm familiar with some of this). If there are still articles at GAN (I currently have two more MA-articles at GAC), the topic isn't complete, a prerequisite for listing here. When it is complete, it will need to go to GT first, and to FT only when the 50% FAs quota is reached. Keep up the good work  Jimfbleak -  talk to me?  11:05, 20 April 2013 (UTC)


 * But Jim, I asked if the open-ended nature of these articles and the large size of the topic would be a hindrance to this FT passing (see link above), and I was assured that if I brought the list of honors to FL, then it would probably pass. I was told that it was complete enough.  User:Nergaal told me that if I took Maya Angelou out of the list, it would be more likely to pass, and no one else in the discussion disagreed. Christine (Figureskatingfan) (talk) 21:44, 20 April 2013 (UTC)


 * I think for reviewers to understand easier and be more likely to support, you should think of this as an overview topic. That would include all articles on the author EXCEPT for the works. The works themselves would be a subtopic with the main article as the list of works. Nergaal (talk) 01:06, 21 April 2013 (UTC)
 * As a side question, do you think that all of her works actually deserve an article? If no, which of the works not included here do you actually believe deserve a separate article? Nergaal (talk) 01:08, 21 April 2013 (UTC)
 * So what would the template for an overview topic look like? If the overview topic only included articles about Angelou, and not about her works, there would only be four articles, including her bio.  Could you provide some direction, perhaps create an example?  To answer your question: no, I don't think that ALL of Angelou's works deserve an article.  Looking at Template:Maya Angelou Literary Works, most of her major works already have an article; I wouldn't bother with her minor ones, like the poems listed, unless they're stubs.  My goal is to create articles about her most recent autobiography Mom & Me & Mom, which just came out last week, some of her poetry collections, all of her books of essays, and perhaps one of her plays (Cabaret for Freedom).  I also need to improve/expand some of her existing articles for FA and GA.  There's a lot of work left to be done, but I'm much farther along than I started back in 2008, when I made my very first edit to the main bio article.  BTW, as much as I respect Angelou for writing a seventh autobiography in her 80s, it meant that I had go to through all of her existing articles and change every reference to A Song Flung Up to Heaven being her "final" autobiography.  Argh! ;) Christine (Figureskatingfan) (talk) 17:35, 21 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Check Featured topic criteria/Overview topics. Nergaal (talk) 16:38, 24 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Ok, have done so. I'll wait for this GTC to be resolved before I submit an overview topic.  Thanks. Christine (Figureskatingfan) (talk) 13:39, 1 May 2013 (UTC)
 * You missed my point: THIS should be the overview topic, so I suggest propose a new template below for such overview topic. Nergaal (talk) 21:04, 4 May 2013 (UTC)


 * I suppose so, please forgive my denseness, as this is the first time I've been though this process. Is the template below what you're talking about?  If so, we can replace it with the one above.  If not, please let me know how to improve it.

Christine (Figureskatingfan) (talk) 17:48, 5 May 2013 (UTC)
 * So as I'm tweaking things, I saw that the "lead article" is a FL, but when I put it in the template header with the star, it looks like it's a FT. Was the correction I made accurate? Christine (Figureskatingfan) (talk) 17:59, 5 May 2013 (UTC)


 * I have moved the nomination to section GTC due to it being below 50% Featured Content. GamerPro64  00:40, 24 April 2013 (UTC)


 * This is what I meant as an overview topic, AND which I think should be the aim of this nom: Nergaal (talk) 16:01, 14 May 2013 (UTC)

and in the future when the works topic is complete come back and nominate that. For everybody to understand things better, I suggest adding ALL the articles that DO deserve an article to your subtopic above. Nergaal (talk) 16:01, 14 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Ok, I get it now. Thanks for mentoring me through it; I'm sure I'll need more help if the future ever comes. ;) I changed the article count; is that correct?  And shouldn't this be moved back to FT? Christine (Figureskatingfan) (talk) 17:18, 15 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Placed it back to the FTC section. GamerPro64  14:32, 16 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Support I came to this page to see if there are any likely FT promotions this week and I decided to read through this discussion. It appears to me that this new topic nomination meets the FT criteria. A nice continuity in the linked articles is the well known photo of Angelou's poetry reading at Clinton's presidential inauguration. --Pine✉ 03:51, 18 May 2013 (UTC)


 * Support I think it is a nice topic, and a nice appreciation to the contributor. Nergaal (talk) 20:40, 18 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Closed with a consensus to promote to Featured Topic. - GamerPro64  17:52, 3 June 2013 (UTC)