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Overview of Katy Perry
Katy Perry (born October 25, 1984) is an American singer, songwriter and actress.


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We are nominating it as it is a comprehensive topic of popstar Katy Perry. Thank you. --  Frankie talk 18:05, 28 January 2016 (UTC)


 * I'll support if you can tell me when she's gonna release her next album. :P (regular support, just being snarky) ♫ Hurricanehink ( talk ) 18:16, 28 January 2016 (UTC)


 * Support for all the hard work and the wonderfully organized articles. — I B  [ Poke ] 10:41, 29 January 2016 (UTC)


 * Thank you both :) Snuggums (talk / edits) 15:57, 29 January 2016 (UTC)


 * Support because you gave yourself and worked really hard to make it happen. Btw, we just need one more article to make a FTC for Gaga!!! Gaga Nutella talk 03:06, 4 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Thanks :3 Snuggums (talk / edits) 03:28, 4 February 2016 (UTC)


 * Comment - I can't support this nomination because I'd be as such supporting some of my own work and I'm not sure if that's appropriate for me to do. But it's a great topic. Well done. — Calvin999  18:57, 4 February 2016 (UTC)


 * Support due to the dedication Snuggums has demonstrated throughout the construction of these articles. More than deserved.  pedro  &#124; talk  00:03, 8 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Look who's back from the dead :P! In all seriousness, I very much appreciate your support. <b style="color:#454545">Snuggums</b> (<b style="color:#454545">talk</b> / <b style="color:#454545">edits</b>) 00:15, 8 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Thank ya'll. --  Frankie talk 21:26, 9 February 2016 (UTC)


 * Support yet another pop singer with a dedicated Wikipedian support, enough to warrant a commended topic. igordebraga ≠ 16:22, 14 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Much appreciated :) <b style="color:#454545">Snuggums</b> (<b style="color:#454545">talk</b> / <b style="color:#454545">edits</b>) 16:51, 14 February 2016 (UTC)


 * Sorry to burst the bubble, but live performances is not covered in either of the 4 articles. There are 4 different tours and they either have to be all included here or you will have to create a lead article covering them. That has been the precedent for musicians. Nergaal (talk) 17:32, 19 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Where has it been stated to include those? Also, she's had 3 tours (Hello Katy Tour, California Dreams Tour, and The Prismatic World Tour), not 4. Each of these are covered in her main bio. Correct me if I'm wrong, but something tells me that a separate article would be a premature content fork with only 3 tours. <b style="color:#454545">Snuggums</b> (<b style="color:#454545">talk</b> / <b style="color:#454545">edits</b>) 18:51, 19 February 2016 (UTC)
 * What does live performances have to do with a videography, a list of songs recorded, a discography and an awards list? Nothing. — <b style="color:#595454">Calvin999</b>  20:14, 19 February 2016 (UTC)
 * See Featured topics/Nine Inch Nails as precedent. I am pretty sure there can be an article discussing her style in live performances. Nergaal (talk) 21:49, 19 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Don't think it's quite a good idea. I don't know what could possibly we have on a list with three concert tours as Snuggums stated above it would be cfork. Besides, Nine Inch Nails' page does not look quite a good example as I don't see anything interesting in the page. It just has the list of shows, which for Perry's ones, can be easily found on their respective pages. We can of course consider creating it when she has some more concert tours just like List of Madonna concert tours. Thank you. --  Frankie talk 22:08, 19 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep in mind that Nine Inch Nails has had more tours and been active for much longer than KP has. Featured topics/Faryl Smith, Featured topics/Overview of Lorde, and Featured topics/Overview of Chrisye give me the impression that only general topics that warrant a separate article need to be included. If there was to be an article dedicated to that for her (assuming it does warrant a separate article), it would probably be in a style similar to List of Beyoncé live performances. I still doubt there's enough for its own article at the moment. <b style="color:#454545">Snuggums</b> (<b style="color:#454545">talk</b> / <b style="color:#454545">edits</b>) 22:11, 19 February 2016 (UTC)

Further notes: Nergaal (talk) 23:26, 19 February 2016 (UTC)
 * I am not tying to argue a specific style, and what I am saying is that the live performances part NEEDS to be included in an overview topic of an artist. None of those 3 artists are anywhere near as prolific as Perry is, while Beyonce is definitely more prolific. I don't know much about her, but since she got an award for live performances I assume she is doing ok. My suggestion is to give an attempt of doing a list of live performances, and if it turns out to be too short to be passed at FL it can be passed as a PR. Assuming she won't die anytime soon, such a list will soon be quite long. She has 3 world tours, I saw like 3 tours that she also headlined, and she did a Superbowl show. IMO it is enough for a list.
 * somehow A Katy or a Gaga is not covered in her videography; nor is The Matrix (The Matrix album) in her discography.
 * unlike any of the artists mentioned above, she does have a significant commercial aspect: 5 perfume brands and a record label.
 * "A Katy or a Gaga" is not within scope since she wasn't even seen or heard in that episode and didn't work on production, scripts, directing, or anything of the sort. The discography page is also for material she released as a solo artist while The Matrix is an album she recorded as part of a group. Also not within scope. As for lists of performances, I'll start up a draft and see where that goes. <b style="color:#454545">Snuggums</b> (<b style="color:#454545">talk</b> / <b style="color:#454545">edits</b>) 23:38, 19 February 2016 (UTC)
 * UPDATE: The draft has been started at Draft:List of Katy Perry live performances. <b style="color:#454545">Snuggums</b> (<b style="color:#454545">talk</b> / <b style="color:#454545">edits</b>) 01:51, 20 February 2016 (UTC)
 * I would like to hear from on this matter. --  Frankie  talk 09:20, 20 February 2016 (UTC)
 * The way I've always commented on these sorts of things is that the FTC process is about articles that exist now, not ones that could exist in the future (which is for existing topics which will grow over time). Seeing as how Draft:List of Katy Perry live performances does not exist now, it's really up to consensus whether something like that should be created, although if it is moved to mainspace, then I would agree that it should be in this topic. What consensus would have to revolve around right now is whether Pery's three tours should be included in an overview of Pery. For what it's worth, I believe that individual tours are too specific to be included in an overview topic, so I would not view their omission as violating the FTC criteria, especially if the general consensus here agrees with that view.--  十  八  10:59, 20 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Sounds reasonable. <b style="color:#454545">Snuggums</b> (<b style="color:#454545">talk</b> / <b style="color:#454545">edits</b>) 17:10, 20 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Just to clarify, my comments are based on the criteria explicitly exemplified at Featured_topic_criteria/Overview_topics. Both the tours and the perfume ventures need to be somehow be represented in an overview topic. Nergaal (talk) 06:50, 23 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Disagree on perfumes; nowhere near as prominent as her accolades, discography, songs recorded, or even videography, and it's definitely not going to warrant its own article with only 4 items (Purr by Katy Perry, Meow! by Katy Perry, Killer Queen by Katy Perry, and Mad Potion) that didn't really have much impact on her career. Tours is debatable. <b style="color:#454545">Snuggums</b> (<b style="color:#454545">talk</b> / <b style="color:#454545">edits</b>) 14:23, 23 February 2016 (UTC)
 * I am copy-pasting this: If you are considering nominating an overview topic, then you should ensure that every article within the scope of the topic that is not included in the topic is also within the scope of a non-lead article that is included within the topic.  Nergaal (talk) 15:20, 23 February 2016 (UTC)

I don't think that three concerts and a handful of live performances warrant a separate and stand-alone list. Her concert tours are listed in her biography while live performances are not notable enough to be mentioned anywhere as an artist performs live frequently and it becomes near impossible to keep track of every performance. Take Vidya Balan's featured topic as an example; none of her live performances at award ceremonies are mentioned anywhere. --  Frankie talk 16:10, 23 February 2016 (UTC)
 * I agree. I don't see the point on commenting on something that doesn't exist and doesn't need to. — <b style="color:#595454">Calvin999</b>  16:28, 23 February 2016 (UTC)


 * Support I don't believe the concerts need to be included in an overview topic at all. Those are the sorts of things that, if notable, would be included in a discography specific topic, which itself would also include all of the musician's albums' individual articles. This overview topic is not that topic, so I don't see the problem. Silver  seren C 07:31, 24 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Thank you! :) --  Frankie talk 08:19, 24 February 2016 (UTC)

There's been no further comment for a week now, and this has 6 supports and 0 opposes. I think this is a pretty unanimous decision that consensus is in favour support. — <b style="color:#595454">Calvin999</b> 09:27, 1 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Very true. <b style="color:#454545">Snuggums</b> (<b style="color:#454545">talk</b> / <b style="color:#454545">edits</b>) 22:13, 1 March 2016 (UTC)
 * and . — <b style="color:#595454">Calvin999</b>  09:57, 2 March 2016 (UTC)


 * Closed with a consensus to promote to Featured Topic. - GamerPro64  02:55, 4 March 2016 (UTC)