Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/1911 Atlantic hurricane season/archive1


 * The following is an archived discussion of a featured article nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured article candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The article was promoted by SandyGeorgia 03:20, 3 April 2011.

1911 Atlantic hurricane season

 * Nominator(s): Juliancolton (talk) 00:51, 15 March 2011 (UTC)

I am nominating this for featured article because I feel it's a prime example of an article from this hurricane era. 2011 is its 100-year anniversary; whether or not I'll nominate it for TFA sometime this summer I'm unsure, but nonetheless I feel it's worth recognizing. Juliancolton (talk) 00:51, 15 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Comment - The tropical depressions added into the text have not been added to the timeline. They should be added.  Thegreatdr (talk) 15:58, 15 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Should be good now, sorry about that. One thing, though. At the end of the timeline, "Tropical depression" gets cut off, so I simply abbreviated it to "TD". Is that OK? Juliancolton (talk) 18:51, 15 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I've had to do that before for WPac season articles, for non-numbered systems. Otherwise, the full name takes up too much room.  I'd suggest being consistent though...if it is TD in one place in the timeline, all TDs should have the same nomenclature.  Thegreatdr (talk) 15:22, 16 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Sounds good, done. Thanks for the comments. Juliancolton (talk) 15:28, 16 March 2011 (UTC)

Source review
 * Don't repeat cited sources in External links
 * They're not strictly the same, and I believe it does serve a valid purpose. Juliancolton (talk) 15:15, 16 March 2011 (UTC)


 * Page number for the NYT article with no weblink?
 * Added a url. Juliancolton (talk) 15:15, 16 March 2011 (UTC)


 * "The third hurricane of the season is considered..." - considered by who?
 * Reworked. Juliancolton (talk) 15:15, 16 March 2011 (UTC)

Sources seem appropriately scholarly, limited spotchecks found no issues. Nikkimaria (talk) 03:40, 16 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the review! Juliancolton (talk) 15:15, 16 March 2011 (UTC)

Support.
 * This is a nice, short article that generally meets the criteria. I peer-reviewed this article, and my concerns were addressed. I have four additional suggestions, as follows:


 * Season Summary


 * "Three weak tropical depressions developed and remained below tropical storm force; the first formed in February and the third existed in December." - Tighten by one word by deleting "existed"?
 * Done. Juliancolton (talk) 00:31, 25 March 2011 (UTC)
 * "Information on the remainder of the storms were amended and corrected readily." - Delete "readily"?
 * Got it. Juliancolton (talk) 00:31, 25 March 2011 (UTC)


 * "Since tropical cyclones in the Atlantic Ocean were not given official names until 1950, storms in older seasons are referred to simply by their number in chronological order." - I think you need a source for this.
 * I made the statement broader, which makes it purely descriptive in nature and eliminates the need for a source IMO. Juliancolton (talk) 00:31, 25 March 2011 (UTC)


 * Tropical Storm One
 * "The first tropical cyclone of the 1911 season formed on August 4 over southern Alabama in the United States, identified by its lack of associated frontal boundaries and closed circulation center." - The words at the end are really meant to modify "cyclone" rather than "United States". Would this be better flipped to "Identified by its lack of associated frontal boundaries and closed circulation center, the first tropical cyclone of the 1911 season formed on August 4 over southern Alabama in the United States"? Finetooth (talk) 23:37, 24 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Good idea, changed. Thanks for the review, both here and at PR! Juliancolton (talk) 00:31, 25 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the quick response. Switching to support. Finetooth (talk) 02:40, 25 March 2011 (UTC)

Support - I don't see any issues with this article. Though not as substantial as other seasons, it'd make a nice 100-year anniversary TFA. Cyclonebiskit (talk) 23:04, 30 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Support. I hope it doesn't look like "another hurricane editor" support, but I do believe it is a good article. I provided a peer review, to which JC addressed all of my comments. I believe it is a great standard for what early hurricane articles can be. My only further comments would be about the lede. I feel the first sentence could be stronger (it uses 1911 twice, and it doesn't draw my interest), and likewise the first sentence of the second paragraph could be better ("Several of the cyclones made landfall") by specifying the exact number. For the time period, the sections are all of good length (particularly #2 and #3, which made landfall on the US and have a really great account on the info). --♫ Hurricanehink ( talk ) 02:23, 2 April 2011 (UTC)


 * I do not understand the first sentence. I don't know how else to explain it, since I have no idea what it's trying to say.
 * The 1911 Atlantic hurricane season was the annual event in the cycle of tropical cyclone formation that ran through the summer and the fall of 1911.

How can a season be an annual event in a cycle? What does that mean? Sandy Georgia (Talk) 01:02, 3 April 2011 (UTC)
 * It's standard project wording, but I guess it is pretty confusing, so changed. Juliancolton (talk) 01:08, 3 April 2011 (UTC)


 * I'm having a hard time with the prose throughout. There are many instances, but here is one sample:
 * The hurricane, relatively small in size, caused widespread damage between Savannah and Charleston, South Carolina, although the former location received only minor damage despite its close proximity to the storm's center.

If small in size, why did it cause widespread damage? Why "the former" instead of just "Savannah"? Why minor damage despite its close proximity when widespread damage occurred elsewhere? We need a non-storm person to go through here. Sandy Georgia (Talk) 01:06, 3 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Finetooth is a "storm person"? A storm can be small in geographical size and still cause severe damage. A tornado is only half a mile wide, yet it can kill many people and destroy countless houses. Juliancolton (talk) 01:10, 3 April 2011 (UTC)

Comments
 * Let me see if I can help, although I don't know your project's expectations so I'll probably screw this up. Question: if there were 6 storms in the summer and fall and 6 storms in the season, then why did the season start with a storm in February? - Dank (push to talk) 01:39, 3 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks, Dank-- I'm going to be working a long time tonight, so pls update here if you get through by tonight. Sandy Georgia  (Talk) 01:44, 3 April 2011 (UTC)
 * There were six official tropical cyclones, and a couple more unofficial storms that may or may not have been TCs (including the February depression). Any suggestions on how to make this clearer? Juliancolton (talk) 01:48, 3 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Wait ... "Three weak tropical depressions developed and remained below tropical storm force; the first formed in February and the third in December." So, was the storm in February definitely tropical or maybe tropical? - Dank (push to talk) 02:29, 3 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Okay, reading the timeline and the text, I went with "There were three suspected tropical depressions, including one that began the season in February and one that ended the season when it dissipated in December." Feel free to twiddle. - Dank (push to talk) 02:35, 3 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Sure thing Sandy. I'll give it a shot Julian. - Dank (push to talk) 01:50, 3 April 2011 (UTC)


 * I changed "minimal central air pressure" to "minimum", but if your sources tend to say "minimal", then that's the right word. Outside your field, "minimum" is more common in this sense, but some fields do tend to say "minimal" instead. - Dank (push to talk) 02:23, 3 April 2011 (UTC)
 * That's fine, thanks. Juliancolton (talk) 11:35, 3 April 2011 (UTC)


 * "The system was subsequently absorbed by a stronger frontal boundary approaching from the northwest.": I don't know what "stronger" means in this context. Would "strong" work? - Dank (push to talk) 02:49, 3 April 2011 (UTC)
 * I think I get what you mean. Changed to "more powerful". Juliancolton (talk) 11:35, 3 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Okay now I get what you're saying. - Dank (push to talk) 12:36, 3 April 2011 (UTC)


 * "three tropical depressions in the 1911 season have been identified.": From what you said above, would "three potential tropical depressions" or "suspected" be more accurate? - Dank (push to talk) 02:53, 3 April 2011 (UTC)
 * It's hard to tell, honestly. Three tropical depressions were identified unofficially by the official organization in the matter. I guess that makes them more official than unofficial, so I like the way you've worded it in the article. Juliancolton (talk) 11:35, 3 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Okay, in that case, in one or two places I said "potential" or "suspected", you may want to delete or change those words. - Dank (push to talk) 12:36, 3 April 2011 (UTC)


 * Okay done, just a few questions to be answered, here's the diff. - Dank (push to talk) 03:07, 3 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks, Dank, much better-- now can you do the same on half a dozen more FACs that got scanty review :/ :/ Sandy Georgia  (Talk) 03:18, 3 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Ditto, thanks a ton for jumping in! Juliancolton (talk) 11:35, 3 April 2011 (UTC)
 * My pleasure. - Dank (push to talk) 12:36, 3 April 2011 (UTC)


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