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2002–03 Gillingham F.C. season

 * Nominator(s): ChrisTheDude (talk) 21:11, 13 June 2024 (UTC)

Back again with yet another of those Gillingham F.C. season articles! This season marked literally the high point of the club's history, as the team finished higher in the English football league system than ever before (or since). Also of note: the season started with one of the team's star players unavailable because he was in prison, and the first game had no home fans present (I was there - it was quite surreal!). I hope the article is a decent read and I look forward to feedback :-) -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 21:11, 13 June 2024 (UTC)

Support from Joeyquism
Marking my territory here. Should be back with a review + some additional comments soon. joeyquism (talk page ) 19:30, 14 June 2024 (UTC)


 * File:Mamady Sidibé 1.png - Published under CC-BY-SA-2.0, and has been reviewed by a Commons admin. LGTM.
 * File:Marlon King vs Antwerp (cropped).jpg - Published under CC-BY-SA-3.0; modifications are good.
 * File:NyronNos.png - Published under CC-BY-SA-2.0, and has been reviewed by a Commons admin.
 * File:Leeds elland road stadium.jpg - Published under German CC BY-SA 3.0, uploaded by original author Arne Müseler. LGTM.
 * File:London Stamford Bridge.jpg - Ditto above.
 * File:PaulShaw.jpg - Released under CC0.
 * File:Jason Brown goalkeeper coach Arsenal Ladies Vs Notts County (20054335525) (cropped).jpg - Published under CC-BY-SA-2.0, and has been reviewed by a Commons admin. Modifications are good.
 * File:AndyHess2009.jpg - This is your picture! At least, I would hope it actually is your picture. Published under CC BY-SA 3.0. Looks good.
 * - yup, definitely my picture. I distinctly remember I was standing at the side of the pitch and he happened to walk across near me and I just yelled "Oi! Hess!" and as he turned I mimed taking a picture and he was happy to pose :-) -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 06:59, 15 June 2024 (UTC)

As far as prose goes, I have made the following notes:
 * Lead looks great.
 * I am now finding that I know very little about association football to properly judge the technical writing. I'll defer to others on this. Apologies.

That being said, support on image review and read-through of prose alone. joeyquism (talk page ) 19:48, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
 * - thank you so much for taking the time to look at the article! -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 07:00, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Woops, I forgot to mention alt text - the alt text is also good. Perhaps not as descriptive as I personally would go, but looks good enough (I would still suggest spiffing it up just a tad). Regardless, my stance of support remains as is. :) joeyquism (talk ) 21:43, 15 June 2024 (UTC)

Support from Aoba47

 * Would it be beneficial to split up the lead's first paragraph into two paragraphs? It is a tad on the long side so I am curious on if a split would help readers to better navigate and engage with the material.
 * Done -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 07:24, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
 * I am uncertain about the "sent" word choice in this part, (after being sent to prison). I more often see this information represented as "sentenced to prison", but it could be difference in different types of English. I just find "sentenced" to be the more formal and accurate word choice rather than "sent", and "sentenced" is already used in the article anyway.
 * "Sent to prison" is standard British English usage (see eg this BBC headline), "sentenced to prison" is never used. "Sentenced to N years in prison" is used but never simply "sentenced to prison" -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 07:24, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
 * This is more of a clarification question, but I was wondering if it would be better to position File:Mamady Sidibé 1.png to the left? It would avoid having the subject of the photo looking away from the article, and it would some variation as all the photos in the article are currently positioned to the right.
 * Done -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 07:24, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
 * For the images (of both the players and the stadium), I think it would be helpful to include in the caption the year that the photos were taken. Readers may get the impression that they were taken during this particular season.
 * Done -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 07:53, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
 * For the Hessenthaler quote near the end of the "Background and pre-season" section, I would use some sort of punctuation to mark the full quote from the rest of the sentence. Something like a comma or colon would work. I have a similar comment for the Hessenthaler quote used in the "January–May" subsection.
 * Done -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 07:56, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
 * I am uncertain about the "picked up" word choice in this part, (picked up another injury), but it could be because of the difference between American and British English or something that is more often used with sports.
 * ''This is pretty standard usage, see for example the first bullet point in this BBC article -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 07:24, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
 * The last paragraph of the "Players" section mixes which numbers are spelled out in words versus which are left as numerals. The instances are ("Fifteen players") versus ("12 goals" and "11 goals"). It is not major, but it did catch my eye.
 * Done -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 07:28, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
 * For the Newspapers.com citations, I do not think the "paid subscription required" parts are necessary as they are presented as clippings, which readers can access without needing a paid subscription.
 * Done -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 07:30, 17 June 2024 (UTC)

I hope that this review is helpful. My comments are fairly nitpick-y as I do not see anything major that needs to be addressed. Once everything has been addressed, I will look through the article a few more times, and at that point, I will likely support. Best of luck with this FAC. Aoba47 (talk) 22:56, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
 * - thank you so much for taking the time to review the article. All the above points have now been addressed, hopefully to your satisfaction..... -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 07:56, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Thank you for addressing everything. I support this FAC for promotion. I hope you have a great start to your week. Aoba47 (talk) 12:23, 17 June 2024 (UTC)

Support from Pseud 14

 * In the FA Cup the team reached the fourth round -- comma after FA Cup
 * Previewing the season, an uncredited writer for The Independent said of -- I think it is fine to drop uncredited
 * but after that game would again be out of the team -- could use referring to Wallace in this context: 'but after that game he would again be out of the team''
 * and conceded a 90th-minute equaliser -- link to Equaliser (sports)
 * After a 1–0 defeat to table-topping Portsmouth -- does table-topping here mean that Portsmouth is at the top of the league table? If so, perhaps a less-informal wording or description
 * Hessenthaler told the press "We've been a real force at home but we can't have joke defending like that. Seven goals in two games is just not good enough". -- comma or a colon before the quote
 * Four days later they played away to Wolverhampton -- comma after Four days later
 * That's all from me. Great work as usual. Pseud 14 (talk) 02:20, 18 June 2024 (UTC)
 * - thanks for taking the time to review the article. All the above points have been addressed -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 07:37, 18 June 2024 (UTC)


 * Support. Pseud 14 (talk) 12:32, 18 June 2024 (UTC)

Support from SchroCat

 * Support. Nice work - SchroCat (talk) 09:04, 29 June 2024 (UTC)

Support from Wolverine
I'll give this a look. Wolverine XI  ( talk to me ) 07:26, 7 July 2024 (UTC)


 * Any reason to repeat that this is the first game of the year?
 * Really just to indicate that they went quite a while (two weeks) without playing a league game -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 09:23, 7 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Turn semicolon to full stop, and colon to comma
 * Done -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 09:23, 7 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Which to that
 * Done -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 09:23, 7 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Note: I checked all the images and all seem to be accurately licensed. The only problem I have is with File:Mamady Sidibé 1.png, which doesn't have a proper author.

That's all I got; this article is well-written, comprehensive and appropriately sourced, so you have my support. When all is done, I'd appreciate a review of the narwhal FAC. Thanks, Wolverine XI   ( talk to me ) 08:55, 7 July 2024 (UTC)
 * - many thanks for your review and support. I will endeavour to take a look at the weird sea unicorn article when I have a sufficient chunk of uninterrupted free time (which I fear may not be till Wednesday but I will do my best) -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 09:23, 7 July 2024 (UTC)
 * I appreciate it. Could you perhaps add a "Comments from ChrisTheDude" section to the nomination page? Wolverine XI   ( talk to me ) 09:54, 7 July 2024 (UTC)

Source review (BennyOnTheLoose)

 * Sources all look to be suitable.
 * Wikilinking of locations in "Works cited" is inconsistent - is that because London is so well known compared to the other towns/cities?
 * Precisely that -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 07:34, 10 July 2024 (UTC)
 * I think Sunday Telegraph should be The Sunday Telegraph
 * Changed -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 07:34, 10 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Shouldn't BBC news be listed as work rather than as publisher? (Same for BBC Sport)
 * Changed -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 07:34, 10 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Is it usual not to add a publisher for sources like Gillingham Vs Portsmouth Matchday Programme? I suppose it is obvious who the publsher is.
 * Changed -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 07:34, 10 July 2024 (UTC)
 * "Woeful Wednesday" is mising the author.
 * Changed -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 07:34, 10 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Will take another look very soon... BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 23:46, 9 July 2024 (UTC)
 *  - thanks for your review, see above -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 07:34, 10 July 2024 (UTC)
 * "Gills complete Wallace signing" is missing the author.
 * Changed -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 09:30, 10 July 2024 (UTC)
 * I assume that the note about Edusei's squad number is sourced to Brown 2004 (p.112) like the rest of the table, so I don't think it requires an extra instance of the citation; but if that's not the case then please add a source.
 * Changed -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 09:30, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

Pass for source review from me. BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 21:41, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

Minor non-source points
 * perhaps the "o.g." could be removed from the Cup matches table keys, as it isn't used there. No issues from me with it being retained for consistency though.
 * Left for consistency if that's OK -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 09:30, 10 July 2024 (UTC)
 * "English football league system" and "Premier League" are wikilinked twice in the lead. (I think this is allowed nowadays, but is probably unnecessary)
 * Changed -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 09:30, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

Support - the list was in great shape before I got here. Nothing else needed as far as I can see. Regards, BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 21:41, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

Source review (Jo-Jo Eumerus)
I swear that I have discussed most sources here in other FACses before. Is KM Media Group a reliable source? Need some information on the books, though, as I don't know them very well. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 09:16, 10 July 2024 (UTC)
 * - KM Media Group is one of the biggest media groups in the UK, publishing a number of newspapers and operating seven radio stations. Their website says "Our journalists work according to The Editors’ Code of Practice, which sets the benchmark for ethical standards in journalism, enforced by IPSO".  The company has a large editorial team and a board of directors.  I personally can't see any issues with reliability.  What info do you need on the books? -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 09:24, 10 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Mostly whether their authors, publishers etc. are well-known/often-cited or so. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 10:06, 10 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Well, the Rothmans/Sky Sports Yearbook (it changed sponsor when cigarette advertising was banned in the UK) is widely regarded as the "bible" of English football. It's been published for over 50 years and is essentially regarded by fans as the definitive annual publication on the sport.  Jack Rollin, the editor of the editions cited here, spent many years as a statistician for the BBC and was very highly regarded.  The other two publishers are both well-regarded publishers of specialist sport/football books with large catalogues.  Dozens of Pitch books have been shortlisted at the British Sports Book Awards, Cricket Writers’ Club Book of the Year Award, William Hill Sports Book of the Year, etc.  Soccerdata have also published books by the aforementioned Jack Rollin.  Tony Brown, author of the Gillingham book, is or was a member of the Association of Football Statisticians and has had many football books published.  Does that help at all....? -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 11:42, 10 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Seems like they pass muster, then. JoJo Eumerus mobile (main talk) 09:53, 11 July 2024 (UTC)

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